Lion of the Blogosphere

When the woman earns more than the man

There’s an article at the University of Chicago School of Business website (h/t Gucci Little Piggy) about the “problems” faced by women who earn more than men. These women are less likely to be married, and their marriages are less happy and the chance of divorce increases by 50%.

But the big problem with this article is that it just assumes that all these problems are because men are intimidated by women who earn more money than them.

I think there’s a good chance that it’s the exact opposite that’s happening. There are many (most?) women who are only sexually attracted to men who earn more money and they look down upon men who can’t even earn as much money as a woman as losers who are unworthy husbands.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

February 24, 2013 at 3:15 pm

Posted in Males and Females

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  1. The “problems” faced by women who earn more than men is that they are less likely to be married,
    and their marriages are less happy
    and divorce increases???

    Wow, I don’t know what to do with this New Info.
    But, I thank Piggy for writing about it
    after he got it from
    The University of Chicago

    Firepower

    February 24, 2013 at 4:17 pm

  2. agreed wholeheartedly.

    However take out money and replace with power/prestige. A woman hospital administrator/surgeon/biglaw associate will have no issues being with a congressman/senator even though the former earns a hell of a lot more.

    The same woman will not have an issue being with a hot artist, journalist, or otherwise creative ‘professional’ if they are talented and somewhat well known even if the woman makes 5x the amount the man makes.

    Women want to be able to brag to their social circle about the man they have. It comes down to that in the end.

    uatu

    February 24, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    • Women don’t love men, homosexuals love men. Women love status.

      Shawn

      February 25, 2013 at 10:04 pm

      • Not a day goes by I don’t wish I were a fag.

        Nicolai Yezhov

        February 26, 2013 at 5:40 pm

      • Define status.

        Who has more status? A balding man in his midlife, who’s a biglaw partner, or a handsome guy in his 20s, who is a creative professional?

        Just Speculating

        February 26, 2013 at 10:26 pm

  3. The other question being begged is: why is marriage The Prize anymore in 2013?

    For example, a $25K bartender with game can have a hot gf but yeah is probably not considered marriage material.
    A $100K IT beta can have a dumpy wife. Yippee!

    Advantage: $25K bartender.

    ATC

    February 24, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    • Survival of the fittest. Married men tend to have more grandchildren then men who never marry.

      T

      February 24, 2013 at 11:50 pm

      • You’d better examine
        USA Ghetto Life
        And see generations of black males
        with 15+ kids.

        They make you look like a Genetic Loser
        no matter how much ya blog

        Firepower

        February 25, 2013 at 6:35 pm

      • The ‘genetic loser’ comment by Firepower illustrates the difference between lower and upper class values and thought process. The higher social classes would rather put more resources into a single child than raise two or more children (let alone 15) to less of a high standard. There are obvious social and genetic advantages to this strategy that, in many intelligent people, seems to be instinctual. The world isn’t run by the masses of ghetto black children, many of whom live in inescapable misery. The middle and middle upper classes would rather not have kids than to raise them in sub-standard manner. This is out of parental instinct, love, and empathy for them.

        Tom

        March 1, 2013 at 12:00 am

    • Too simplistic. Intellignet men simply aren’t attracted to beautiful but dumb women. Give me a beautiful enough nerd over a dumb super model always.

      The most attractive woman I’ve ever known married an IT guy.

      Nicolai Yezhov

      February 26, 2013 at 5:42 pm

      • This being said, many American men are not intelligent.

        Just Speculating

        February 26, 2013 at 10:33 pm

      • “Intellignet men simply aren’t attracted to beautiful but dumb women. Give me a beautiful enough nerd over a dumb super model always.”

        Then they aren’t very intelligent where wimmin are concerned (there’s no such thing as “across the board intelligence”. People who are great at math are often complete social retards, for instance). I am an example of just such a man whom you claim does not exist. Trying to turn a womyn into some kind of activity partner or natural friend, as you would with another man, is one of the biggest follies attempted by men anywhere. She’s not your partner, she is your servant. You show kindness to your servants but never, ever treat them as your equals. That is the proper attitude to take if you want the relationship to endure.

        Allerious

        February 28, 2013 at 11:34 am

  4. Of the men I know with sugar mommas none are “intimidated”. They seem perfectely comfortable letting bitches buy shit for them. Quite proud of it actually.

    I think the worst situation is one where the husband used to earn more, but doesn’t anymore. Most situations where the woman earns more in the beginning are sugar momma situations where the man is way better looking.

    asdf

    February 24, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    • How many such men do you know and how did they get into such situations? Do tell, please.

      Allerious

      February 25, 2013 at 6:35 pm

  5. Well, whose filing for these increased number of divorces? I assume it is women which makes sense because the divorce may actually be financially beneficial to them. My understanding is that women file most of the time for divorce which doesn’t tell you much because guys may give up more often(affairs, abuse, addiction) but not bother to actually file first for a divorce. I tend to agree with your slant O great Lion but will add another point. Young guys whatever they are making have potential in theory. Over time if that potential doesn’t become dollar signs I could see both sides of the marriage upset about that. This looks like yet another problem socialism can solve. I am sure someone in the Obama administration is working on a solution right now.

    mark

    February 24, 2013 at 9:42 pm

  6. Agree. These women are pricing themselves out of the dating market. I know a guy who makes over 250k a year (he’s a wholesaler for overpriced textbooks, and owns properties that provide rental income). He was going out with a 27 year-old woman who dealt in high-end real-estate. She had a huge house and a bunch of cars, and told him, flat-out, that if he wanted to stay with her, he’d have to earn more. “How much more?” She told him to look around: he’d have to be able to cover the payments on her lifestyle.

    Women generally want men who are stronger, smarter, taller, and richer than themselves (although I agree with the caveat about about trading dollars for prestige/power).

    Vince, the Lionhearted

    February 24, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    • It’s true that Western wimmin overprice/overrate themselves as a general rule (the sexual marketplace of feminist nations like the USA allows them to get away with it), but there’s an extremely small handful of females who have possess anywhere near that type of wealth (e.g. huge house and multiple cars at 27, not satisfied with partner making 250k+/yr). As such, your example isn’t representative, even where the upper-middle class is concerned. Most high-striving gold diggers in their mid twenties would be relatively satisfied with a man of similar age who had 2 cars and a nice apartment with plenty of spare income.

      Allerious

      February 25, 2013 at 6:55 pm

  7. I am aware of plenty of female doctors and lawyers who got married to equal status men (other doctors / lawyers) and got divorced anyway, usually without reproducing. They weren’t satisfied even with high-status men. This doesn’t surprise me, since every female doctor and lawyer I’ve ever met is an arrogant, self-centered pain in the ass.

    Tarl

    February 24, 2013 at 10:39 pm

  8. Question/food for thought: Is there any way to regulate the marriage/sexual marketplace? As far as I’m concerned, the sex marketplace is even more important than the economic one. So why is the former unregulated?

    In pre 60s America, sex/marriage was kept ostensibly under control via white christianity, social shaming, no welfare, no feminism, no pornography, no abortions, all of which lead to a structural alpha-ness for most men. In the olden days, various ethnic groups would simply have matchmakers to hitch up the children so it was a done deal as marriage was (and is in truth) a purely practical matter; not about “love”.

    None of these social regulations are possible any more. They’re not coming back It’s a pure free for all jungle out there with 25k bartenders bedding hundreds of hotties while a good beta is lucky to get a dumpy wife. So howsabout an authoritarian government of some type that matches kids up for marriage and their are MAJOR penalties for breach and promiscuity?

    fakeemail

    February 24, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    • It will probably happen first in Singapore.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 24, 2013 at 11:26 pm

    • It is regulated. Bigamy, for example, is illegal.

      DaveinHackensack

      February 25, 2013 at 3:32 am

      • That’s hardly regulation as informal non-monogamous relations are common.

        Conquistador

        February 25, 2013 at 10:43 am

      • Anti-polygamy laws are only really enforced in Utah. In the rest of the country it is perfectly legal to have multiple wives, so long as you don’t get legally married. There is no meaningful regulation of mating in the western world.

        T

        February 25, 2013 at 11:57 am

    • It still is naturally regulated. Women overwhelmingly sleep with and marry men within their own racial and class category.

      PA

      February 25, 2013 at 7:30 am

      • Exactly! Hypergamy is overrated by timid men. Including me. Communication across race/class is so difficult and the races and classes so seldom come in contact even the hottest women go with men like themselves. When they date or marry up it usually doesn’t work.

        Stop making excuses and put yourself out there already Lion. Don’t be a desperado.

        Nicolai Yezhov

        February 26, 2013 at 5:53 pm

      • I made the mistake ofnot pursuing someone I thought out of my class and I will regret it with tears till the day I die.

        Nicolai Yezhov

        February 26, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    • Good luck regulating this kind of behavior. It’s hard for the government to catch thieves working off the books. What makes you think they’ll be successful at this?

      Just Speculating

      February 25, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    • Well, your sentiments are a good example of the social pendulum swinging back the other way. I’m for it, although I’m not for matching (do you really want to be government matched in this swamp of a gene pool?), but I think that society is going to have to hit rock bottom first. You may not live to see your wishes come true, but your great-grandkids might.

      Tom

      February 28, 2013 at 11:42 pm

  9. If the men are involved in masculine activities, hunting, fishing, etc and/or competitive sports (not golf)or maybe do a little sparring to keep in shape, would that keep the harpies happy?
    How much money does a woman have to make over her husband for it to be meaningful? 10%? 5%? 1%?
    Why would any man marry a woman who was ambitious to be a career woman? They’re not very feminine. They’re like sluts and whores, you bang them, you don’t marry them, sheesh.

    S_McCoy The Winged Lion of Observations

    February 24, 2013 at 11:03 pm

    • By definition, men involved in masculine activities do not make women happy, because masculine activities do not involve women. (And if women are involved, it kills all the fun for the men.) Nothing makes a wife bitch and moan and demand compensation than the announcement that you’re going hunting or fishing with your buddies.

      Tarl

      February 25, 2013 at 11:52 am

      • A man who is involved in masculine activities is perceived as more masculine by his woman. This increases her attraction for him, because women are attracted to masculine men. The fact that she might bitch or moan doesn’t matter, in fact she is simply testing the man’s frame. Never listen to a woman’s words if you want to understand her.

        T

        February 25, 2013 at 5:47 pm

      • The most masculine thing a man can do is support his children.

        Nicolai Yezhov

        February 26, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    • No.

      1-5%. It’s psychological and women are generally petty when it comes to emotional nuance, no matter how slight.

      Feminism, and the resultant doubling of the labor pool, has effected the economy to where it’s difficult to live on one income in the average household. Also, there is incentive in that you won’t have to pay as much alimony in the inevitable divorce. Financially aware men look to marry women who make close to what they do to limit their alimony liability.

      Tom

      February 28, 2013 at 11:46 pm

  10. I would bet that the dissatisfaction is coming from the ivy league upper middle class lena dunham types. I think most middle class, public university type women don’t get too bent out of shape over a few dollars, that’s strictly an ivy league fetish.

    S_McCoy The Winged Lion of Observations

    February 24, 2013 at 11:09 pm

  11. The problem with articles of this sort is that they typically refer to couples where the wife is a top corporate exec, academic, or law firm partner and the husband is an accountant or school teacher. The vast majority of couples where the wife is the higher earner consist of a wife who is a waitress or low level office clerk and the husband is unemployed.

    sestamibi

    February 24, 2013 at 11:18 pm

    • This is very much on the mark, in the sense that most people are proles, and proles are very different than the upper middle class readers of business school articles.

      So yes, the average woman who makes more than her husband has a crappy prole job.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 24, 2013 at 11:28 pm

      • You should watch Showtime’s series Shameless, which is about an underclass Irish American family in Chicago (based on a British show).

        DaveinHackensack

        February 25, 2013 at 3:35 am

      • Look up “husband won’t look for a job” sometime on Google. These guys are interesting…some combination of alpha and omega…enough charm to get a wife but after a while the charm wears off and they just kind of passively sponge.

        Some of these guys seem to have Jesus as their wingman…the woman is Christian and assumes that if she married, then the union is ordained by God, therefore if things aren’t going right, you guessed it, it’s HER fault, she just needs more FAITH. It is a TEST, you see. That JC, what a shit-tester!

        ATC

        February 25, 2013 at 7:29 am

      • I’m surprised mainstream media
        Like Showtime
        could find a white family
        in Chicago

        Firepower

        February 25, 2013 at 6:37 pm

      • ATC may have a very good point even though he is sarcastic. Religion has always been more enthusiastically pursued by women. It makes sense that arguments such as ‘God is testing my faith’ would appeal to women, or they wouldn’t have lasted over Christianity’s two millennia.

        God: the ultimate cocky and funny alpha!

        SFG

        March 3, 2013 at 10:19 am

    • And most of the rest are people who earn essentially the same, but where randomness means the wife earns 10% more than the male or something. “earn more” is meaningless if the difference is a few percent, in either direction. A factor of 2+ is meaningful.

      agrajag

      February 25, 2013 at 4:10 am

      • Yes, that’s true too. I should have thought about that.

        sestamibi

        February 25, 2013 at 2:46 pm

  12. I hope everyone understands now why societies developed male only property ownership and inheritance.

    Conquistador

    February 25, 2013 at 12:39 am

  13. Perhaps the implication is that women with less financial wherewithal aren’t divorcing, though they would like to. There is probably a constant of unhappiness in marriages, but because most divorce is initiated by women, those with earning power are going to feel more comfortable actualizing the split.

    Or, perhaps higher earning women have fewer, if any, children, making the divorce more palatable.

    If these women go on to remarry higher earning spouses then the lion’s theory is probably correct. But without more information it’s just speculation.

    islandmommy

    February 25, 2013 at 8:55 am

    • No way, this is pretty clear. Most men have a self-image based on the ability to earn money. I’m talking about the sort of men who when you meet them say something like “I’m an accountant” or “what do you do?” (implying that they are asking about your career rather than your hobbies). 95% of people are this type. When these men can’t out-earn their wives they are failures. If they lose their jobs it is especially devastating because now they’ve lost their identity. The men who make it work (such as myself) are those who have self-images that aren’t based on earning ability/career.

      T

      February 25, 2013 at 6:14 pm

  14. I wonder what percentage of those couples are black. Married black women almost always outearn their black husband. That’s why a significant percentage of black entertainment is geared towards professional black females facing the “do I marry downwards” dilemma.

    Camlost

    February 25, 2013 at 10:26 am

    • Black women respect their husbands no matter how much they earn, because the black men are alpha and are not afraid to discipline their women if necessary.

      Tarl

      February 25, 2013 at 3:40 pm

      • Watch the documentary called “Diary Of A Tired Black Man” if you want to see how wrong that assertion is. Black wimmin walk all over their men.

        Allerious

        February 28, 2013 at 11:22 am

      • That’s not true.

        Tom

        February 28, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    • Not many. Blacks are only 13% of the population. Also they don’t marry much.

      T

      February 25, 2013 at 6:17 pm

  15. A wise blogger once said that as males enter a female-dominated career field, wages and prestige rise.

    WSJ, 02/25/13 http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2013/02/25/male-nurses-make-more-money/

    Male Nurses Make More Money
    “…Men made up close to 10% of all registered nurses in 2011…up from less than 3% in 1970 and less than 8% in 2000…Women still dominate nursing in terms of employment — but not in terms of earnings. The average female nurse earned $51,100 in 2011, 16% less than the $60,700 earned by the average man in the same job. The difference in earnings is partly due to the fact that men were more likely than women to work full-time…Part of the reason, the Census study suggests, is a previously documented phenomenon known as the “glass escalator” in which men earn higher wages and faster promotions in female-dominated professions…”

    E. Rekshun

    February 25, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    • Nursing is highly unionized in the US with gender equal wage scales. Higher *earnings* by males is almost certainly due to men opting to work more hours and overtime and women placing more emphasis on her life away from work.

      But rest assured if the ladies want to work longer hours that choice is there for them too.

      Sundance

      February 26, 2013 at 12:01 am

  16. Yikes.
    All this
    “Rich Woman, RICHER Male” Stuff
    Was proven by example in the 60’s
    With Liz Taylor’s stream of partners
    Culminating in Richard Burton (and his diamond)

    Firepower

    February 25, 2013 at 6:39 pm

  17. Let me spell it out for Lion.

    The MOST atrractive woman I have ever known married an IT guy. This woman was VERY smart.

    Nicolai Yezhov

    February 26, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    • She was probably past her prime when they met.

      No hot chick is spending her youth with an IT dweeb.

      When women say they like nerdy guys this is what they mean.

      Conquistador

      February 27, 2013 at 12:00 am

      • You’re wrong. She was with a software engineer for a while and married some cloud consulting guy. Isn’t that IT.

        Nicolai Yezhov

        February 27, 2013 at 3:01 pm

      • This was one of those women who has no prime. She’ll be hot forever.

        BUT she was also very smart and a nerd herself.

        Nicolai Yezhov

        February 27, 2013 at 3:03 pm

      • You’re right. I once knew a guy in IT who bragged about banging hot chicks he met in the club, because he WAS IN IT. Turns out all these women were the typical bar/club trash of 6s and 7s, maybe an 8 if he was lucky.

        Just Speculating

        February 27, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    • You can find at least one example to validate anything. One, or many, examples doesn’t prove or disprove any model. Especially when it comes to sociology. Averages across large groups are all that is meaningful.

      Tom

      February 28, 2013 at 11:53 pm

  18. Some of the comments here are ridiculous. Women are much more interested in getting to know a man as a person and having a deep relationship than men are. Yes, high status is a turn on for them, but having a nice body is a turn on for men, so it all evens out.

    If you suck at talking to women, stop watching porn. Seriously.

    John

    March 6, 2013 at 12:21 am


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