Lion of the Blogosphere

The end of stop-and-frisk; no conspiracy

As I wrote previously:

At certain other rightwing blogs and in comments, there have been suggestions that there’s a conspiracy that allows Mayor Bloomberg and New York City to get away with certain conservative stuff like the stop-and-frisk policy because it’s New York City.

There’s no conspiracy. The mainstream liberal media publishes plenty of op-ed commentary from the usual left-wing Al Sharpton types lambasting Bloomberg and the stop-and-frisk policy.

Bloomberg gets away with it because (1) he simply ignores it because he knows that’s the best policy when dealing with those types, something that more conservative Republicans often don’t get; and (2) he has genuine bobo cred because he’s pro-abortion pro-gay pro-composting pro-marathon pro-bicycle anti-gun anti-unhealthy food so he has a lot more leeway to tell it like it is.

No conspiracy.

Today the good times for NYC are over. A judge has ruled the policy unconstitutional. There’s a
glowing NY Times editorial lauding the judge’s decision.

Yep, no conspiracy.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 12, 2013 at 11:28 pm

Posted in Crime, New York City

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  1. Wow….goodbye NYC.

    Alabastrine Excellence

    August 12, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    • Goodbye NYC, because the current line up of Republican candidates have no substance, and the democraps are of course, a losing proposition with their motives.

      JS

      August 15, 2013 at 5:07 pm

  2. Not good for the DWLs and their little black friends. Not that I care either.

    Cracker Jones

    August 12, 2013 at 11:36 pm

  3. If this decision is upheld, do you think crime will rise in NYC?

    I guess my question is: how much does stop-and-frisk deter or prevent crime?

    Jay

    August 13, 2013 at 12:04 am

    • It puts the Fear Of The Law into the ghetto scum.

      It also led to hundreds of thousands of arrests and tens of thousands of confiscated illegal weapons.

      It works very sell.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 13, 2013 at 1:10 pm

      • how much of the effect is criminals committing less crime vs moving and committing their crimes elsewhere?

        reynald

        August 13, 2013 at 7:37 pm

      • how much of the effect is criminals committing less crime vs moving and committing their crimes elsewhere?

        Either or both is fine, from the perspective of a big city mayor determined to keep the city attractive to smart, wealthy people.

        The Anti-Gnostic

        August 14, 2013 at 8:54 am

      • It matters to other cities across the country that have to clean up NYC’s mess

        reynald

        August 16, 2013 at 12:45 pm

  4. Well- NYC gets a policy different from every place else. Even now stop and frisk is not going to be ended outright, only subjected to oversight. The judiciary has a great deal of flexibility, which coincidentally works out for the liberals’ Emerald City. There doesn’t have to be any conspiracy, any kind of meeting or agreement, since it’s simply understood that NYC is different.

    thrasymachus33308

    August 13, 2013 at 12:15 am

  5. is piper kerman (orange is the new black) toos?

    zoob

    August 13, 2013 at 2:46 am

  6. Today the good times for NYC are over.

    I wouldn’t bet on it.

    In the 1970s you never got to see a city go from total chaos back to order. Now it’s been done so progressives don’t have the excuse that no one knows how to stop the chaos.

    On top of that the ethnic cleansing of NYC is basically complete – there’s no reason to allow crime in Manhattan anymore – now that’s it’s almost all wealthy people and none of the wrong kind of white people.

    Steve Johnson

    August 13, 2013 at 3:35 am

  7. Better bring back Bernie Goetz. Either that or implament my prediction of the future: the elite parts of the country (Manhattan, DC, West LA, SF, maybe SEA) will become gated cities. All unskilled labor will be done by robots; outsite the gates, it’ll be midnight city.

    Monroe Ficus

    August 13, 2013 at 6:35 am

  8. Watch the murder rate go up up up!

    Liberals can’t hide from statistics.

    mindweapon

    August 13, 2013 at 7:02 am

    • I think liberals think they can hide from statistics. According to the WSJ, blacks make up about 24 percent of New York City’s population, but were responsible for 66 percent of all violent crime in 2009, including 80 percent of shootings and 71 percent of robberies.

      Actually, I’m interested in running the experiment and see if the suspension of stop and frisk makes a difference in the crime rate. Of course, I don’t live in New York City so it doesn’t effect me personally. And I live in a State that’s cool with me being armed.

      Mike

      August 13, 2013 at 1:59 pm

      • According to the WSJ, blacks make up about 24 percent of New York City’s population, but were responsible for 66 percent of all violent crime in 2009,

        That’s an underestimate. The crime stats count Latin American blacks and mulattos as Hispanic, or even white. Although the percentage of NY’s black population is higher if Hispanic blacks are grouped with regular blacks.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 13, 2013 at 11:07 pm

  9. ‘The city has consistently said that the disparity was justified because minority citizens commit more crimes. But Judge Scheindlin trenchantly rejected this argument. As she pointed out, “this reasoning is flawed because the stopped population is overwhelmingly innocent — not criminal. There is no basis for assuming that an innocent population shares the same characteristics as the criminal suspect population in the same area.”’

    Wouldn’t this line of reasoning apply to all populations, so that stop-and-frisk would be unconstitutional in itself?

    Espoon Epatto

    August 13, 2013 at 7:57 am

    • The way it’s quoted the judge seems to be confusing the civil rights and the fourth amendment parts of the case. There does seem to be a very strong fourth amendment case against the NYPD. If the fourth amendment says that stop and frisks require a reasonable suspicion and 88 percent of those stopped were not given so much as a ticket then the suspicions are not reasonable and the program is unconstitutional.

      reynald

      August 13, 2013 at 8:34 pm

      • 12% is really a very good hit rate.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 13, 2013 at 10:45 pm

      • As is routine with all lawyers and judges, an acceptable number is never given. If the police had a 50% or greater rate of arrest or tickets, I would if the judge would have still been satisfied.

        What is amazing is that building jails, arresting criminals, and tough law enforcment has been effective but now the left wants to eliminate everything that has been done to lower crime rate since 1980.

        superdestroyer

        August 14, 2013 at 3:35 am

      • 12% seems pretty low to me. Plus the numbers are inflated because some people, such as the plaintiffs in the suit, are brought up on flimsy charges that are immediately dropped.

        reynald

        August 15, 2013 at 8:58 pm

      • The left has wanted to eliminate everything done to lower crime since at least the Warren Court. Where do you think the War on Drugs came from? Besides Vogon careerism, that is.

        nydwracu

        August 16, 2013 at 8:29 am

  10. Schadenfreude time!

    ion of lionosphere

    August 13, 2013 at 8:11 am

  11. Wondering how long it takes for property values to start rolling back in the other direction.

    Camlost

    August 13, 2013 at 10:49 am

    • Soon, and then Lion could snap one of those coveted status high apartments for a bargain.

      I’m sure One57 will be housing welfare tenants once a democrap mayor takes office.

      JS

      August 14, 2013 at 10:29 am

  12. Stop and frisk was a stupid idea because of the bad publicity it would incur. It’s almost as if they wanted to look bad and be brought to task (maybe *that’s* the conspiracy). There are smarter, less destructive-to-public-face ways to scrutinize high crime populations. Giuliani’s policy of scooping people up for very minor offenses was clever in this respect.

    islandmommy

    August 13, 2013 at 12:56 pm

  13. It puts the Fear Of The Law into the ghetto scum.

    From what I can tell, what stop and frisk really does is keep the NAM loiterers from congregating in large groups and/or stagnating all over the place, especially in commercial areas that will soon be terrified of losing their high-end shoppers. Smart, elusive criminals (such as muggers) can still ply their trade in NYC even now, but “professional criminals” are a small group of people who may actually often refrain from violence if they can commit their robberies without resorting to that. However, NAMs generally make for very incompetent and impulsive criminals who get a huge boost of bravado when someone in their group proposes a stupid idea to commit a little crime.

    During my trips to Manhattan I am always astonished at how everyone looks like they belong and have legitimate business patronizing an establishment, you don’t see the large posses of shiftless NAMs like you see in Southern downtowns – in Manhattan they know to keep moving or face potential scrutiny.

    NYC will have to double their number of officers on the streets and add more camera surveillance. Wealthier areas will supplement local police with approved private security forces. (primarily consisting of off-duty law enforcement from around the region).

    I can’t wait until the Manhattan shopkeepers start complaining about the decrease in quality shoppers. The first ones to chirp will be those whose shops are near subway stops for the trains that come down from Harlem and the Bronx.

    Camlost

    August 13, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    • “Smart criminal” is an oxymoron 95% of the time.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 13, 2013 at 3:39 pm

      • I agree. I hear that some places in Europe have Dickensian professional crooks that have a little brains, they’re mainly pulling small heists, pick pocketing or cat burglar stuff. But rarely violent.

        Camlost

        August 13, 2013 at 5:09 pm

      • Europe’s petty crimes are committed by Gypies and Muslim immigrants, even white Balkan Muslims.

        The hardcore crime is still African. European blacks are more violent than our blacks because American blacks are ~18 white while the European blacks are pure ones from post-colonial African states. The crime rate is higher even though Europe has ridiculously lenient law enforcement everywhere except, maybe, Germany.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 13, 2013 at 7:52 pm

  14. Downtown Atlanta has no stop-and-frisk policy and has become a virtual wasteland where whites do not linger after work hours. Our black mayors refuse to do even as much as pass an aggressive panhandler law to clean up the vagrancy, then they want to have endless summits on how to improve the situation and get more high-end shoppers to spend money there. In a hilarious twist, the Mayor recently announced that he wanted to inspire a more “diverse” clientele in downtown – this meaning something beyond just barber shops/hair braiding, “urban wear” stores and corner wing/fish joints.

    Here’s a hilarious video of a downtown Atlanta security guard trying to kick riffraff off the property. (oh, and notice the homophobia from the child) I don’t think you’d ever see anything like this happen in Manhattan, but this is pretty typical for down here:

    Camlost

    August 13, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    • The continued downward spiral of Downtown resulted in all the major law firms decamping to Midtown. King & Spalding pretty much had a whole building erected for them to be the anchor tenant in. Everybody moved and set up shop at once, like auto dealerships.

      The police seem to do a good job keeping the zombies out of Midtown. I still see plenty of schizophrenic black men though. Last month, one of them was marching down the sidewalk with a stick in one hand and a dead rat in the other.

      The Anti-Gnostic

      August 14, 2013 at 9:04 am

  15. I guess it’s now time for me to start a group for my early morning jogs in Central Park. Too bad! It was fun running alone and listening to the Pandora heavy metal station on my phone during the Blloomberg administration.

    If I’m now running with a gang, I will probably be expected to make some small talk and enjoy the sounds of nature if I have to leave the phone at home. Oh well.

    Christine

    August 13, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    • How do your girlfriends feel about dating blacks?

      The Undiscovered Jew

      August 13, 2013 at 7:59 pm

      • Most of my girlfriends are married to whites.

        I know of a white girl from college, who is now living in the Congo, and was engaged at one point to a Senegalese guy. Not sure if they’re still together. According to one of my friends, she has four attractive black male servants in her home. I didn’t know what to say to this. My friend thought it was like some zany “Eat Pray Love” episode, but all I could think about is the first chapter in Amy Chua’s “World on Fire.”

        Christine

        August 14, 2013 at 1:34 pm

      • Four servants? What is this, the african Downton Abbey?

        islandmommy

        August 14, 2013 at 9:37 pm

  16. Remember that Bloomberg’s 2001 victory was a fluke. Bloomie only won because 911 sent Rudy Guiliani’s previously poor approval rating through the roof. That’s what pulled Bloomberg across the finish line. Without the attacks, Mark Greene would have been mayor and he would have reversed Rudy’s crime policies to appease the blacks.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    August 13, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    • It never ceases to amaze me how there are still liberals out there, who think that Mark Greene should have won and would have been a better mayor.

      It can’t be any good with a democrappy in city hall, as NYC history has shown, where they nearly bankrupted the city into another Detroit.

      The most toxic mixture is when proles and blacks are thrown together and left to their own devices, and that’s what liberals love to do. NYC has been a dysfunctional place because of this. Mayorial leftist candidates such as De Blasio, who is married to a Black woman wants to bring her people together with that of the prole population. I’m praying for a utopia, not!

      JS

      August 14, 2013 at 10:14 am

      • It never ceases to amaze me how there are still liberals out there, who think that Mark Greene should have won and would have been a better mayor.

        Our system of government is totalitarian bureaucracy, not Communism where power can be traced back to a single dictator or easily identifiable Communist oligarchy. Ditto Europe where their government, the EU, is at a more advanced/malignant stage of bureaucratic dictatorship. Under totalitarian bureaucracy, the Civil Service acts asa rogue fourth branch of government that advances policies that are doomed to fail, such as making blacks suitable for citizenship.

        Failure then enriches unaccountable Cathedral institutions who demand more regulatory power to “fix” a problem they either made worst (importing racially incompatible immigrants on top of an unassimilable black population) or made up entirely (Global warming).

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 14, 2013 at 6:59 pm

      • My reference to those delusional liberals, are the average everyday types who still believe Democrats will “take care of them”.

        JS

        August 15, 2013 at 10:19 am

  17. There doesn’t have to be any conspiracy, any kind of meeting or agreement, since it’s simply understood that NYC is different.

    Exactly, Thras. Lion likes to use the word “conspiracy” on this issue because it makes the opposing view sound paranoid and implausible, but nobody’s proposing a literal conspiracy meeting in secret and concocting nefarious plots. We’re just saying that influential people congregate in NYC, and as individuals, tend to apply a different standard to their city than they advocate for the rest of us.

    Contaminated NEET

    August 13, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    • Also, this is not necessarily even the end of stop-and-frisk in NYC. From the NYT editorial:
      The judge made clear that she was not striking down the program — which remains an important tool for law enforcement
      It sounds to me like they’ll hire some bureaucrats to make sure the police stop and frisk enough white people too, and continue to rationalize away the blatant (but convenient) violation of the Bill of Rights.

      Contaminated NEET

      August 13, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    • Judge ruled it unconstitutional, the NY Times is applauding it, I don’t see how NYC is getting away with anything. It’s not.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 13, 2013 at 10:48 pm

      • Even if this ruling actually ends stop-and-frisk, which remains to be seen, NYC still managed to implement a large scale, blatantly unconstitutional, and blatantly racist policy for more than a decade. No other city in the USA could do this.

        Also, the NYT says it’s happy about this ruling. That’s great, but the NYT is one of the most powerful institutions in the US. It has more influence on the news cycle than any other paper or television network. It doesn’t necessarily decide every issue, but it certainly decides which issues are “news.” If it had wanted, the NYT could have made stop-and-frisk a major nation-wide crisis to be discussed constantly for years, like it’s done with transexualism. If Kansas City had been doing stop-and-frisk and NYC hadn’t, I’m sure the NYT would have done just that.

        Contaminated NEET

        August 13, 2013 at 11:20 pm

  18. No good deed goes unpunished.

    L

    August 14, 2013 at 12:13 am

  19. So stop and frisk goes away about the same time a Democrat gets elected Mayor. Who’s going to be front-runner in 2017 and the elections after that?

    Anthony

    August 14, 2013 at 2:48 am

  20. its going to be great to watch liberal whites get attacked and mauled by blacks and hispanics. Lion, i thought the bobos like bloomberg were immune to liberal criticisms? here it looks like liberals as usual sided with blacks and hispanics over logic just like they usually do. will you admit you were wrong?

    eric Cartman

    August 14, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    • It’s not ME that’s wrong, it’s certain other bloggers and commenters at HBD blogs who are wrong. NYC could NOT get away with anything that other cities can’t get away with.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 14, 2013 at 12:58 pm

      • Don’t the other liberal cities like Chicago and D.C. (if D.C. can be considered a city) have something similar to stop and frisk?

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 14, 2013 at 7:01 pm

  21. THE NATION has undercover audio of a stop n’ frisk. Here’s a direct link (it’s under two minutes):

    http://s3.amazonaws.com/thenation/audio/mp3/Full_Audio/StopAndFriskAudio2.mp3

    Here’s a link to the article, published Oct. 12th, so people may have seen it: http://www.thenation.com/article/170413/stopped-and-frisked-being-fking-mutt-video#axzz2bznD7y1S

    The executive summary is that this kid gets constantly stopped. Why? “Because you look like a mutt.” A police officer threatens to break his arm.

    If this happened to white people, there’d be outrage.

    Vince, the Lionhearted

    August 14, 2013 at 9:26 pm

  22. So what’s the over/under until large tracts of New York City become seedy, dangerous, and crime ridden again a la “Taxi Driver”?

    Five years? Ten? Fifteen?

    Oswald Spengler

    August 15, 2013 at 2:00 pm

  23. Chicago had stop and frisk for a brief time way back in the 1970s.

    fnn

    August 16, 2013 at 6:16 pm


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