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Is George R.R. Martin elite?

George R.R. Martin

Pumpkinperson writes:

I’m going to start using my Internet voice (whether here, Twitter, my blog, or other blogs) to start promoting & celebrating all the smart, insightful & creative non-Ivy Leaguers (and it would be great if others did the same) instead of constantly linking to the same Ivy League academics & Ivy League run newspapers over & over again.

George R.R. Martin immediately came to mind as someone who is smart, insightful and creative, and I figured he couldn’t possibly be an elite Ivy Leaguer, because he’s an uber-nerd as you can tell by looking at his photo.

Additionally, he was raised in Bayonne, New Jersey, which is an area that’s socioeconomically equivalent to Staten Island, and his father was a blue-collar longshoreman.

But it turns out that Martin is very well educated. He has both a bachelor’s and a master’s degree from Northwestern University. Northwestern may technically not be Ivy League, but it’s in the same level of eliteness as lesser Ivies. Northwestern currently ranks #12 in U.S. News & World Report putting it ahead of Brown and Cornell.

So if we are looking for people with non-elite educations, we will have to look elsewhere.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 10, 2014 at 10:53 am

Posted in Books, Education

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  1. America is all about de facto status and well connectedness for a country that prides itself as “meritocratic”.

    Most Ivy Douches come from wealth. It’s no surprise. And those who come from more humble backgrounds, upper middle class is the starting point. Anyone lower than that, good luck attaining significant status!

    JS

    August 10, 2014 at 11:05 am

    • 8% of Ivy students come from the bottom 50%. One would expect a figure lower than 50%, but not 8%. What would the difference in mean IQ for the two have to be for that if every Ivy Leaguer were in the top 5% or 1%?

      And how can they really be “needs blind”? They know what hs you went to. They may ask what your parents’ education is. They’ll know if you’re on your hs sailing team vs football team. Etc.

      Only tests should count and they should be adjusted a little for SES. Best is affirmative action for race and class, because, despite what conservatives may believe, racism and classism are real phenomena, not just the fantasies of sociology professors. And, if anything, classism is MUCH worse than racism. If you talk like a hick, you’ll have trouble, unless you’re working in a place where everyone talks like a hick. Thus one of the actual advantages of being an immigrant—you have no place in the American class system. You can’t be pegged.

      Duke of Leinster

      August 10, 2014 at 6:40 pm

      • Does “talk like a hick” translate to Southern accent?

        aandrews

        August 10, 2014 at 11:44 pm

      • No. There are very pleasant southern accents.

        Duke of Leinster

        August 11, 2014 at 5:09 pm

    • By in large, the Ivy Leagues of today (versus the quotas of the early 20th century), in addition to MIT and Caltech, are meritocracies that grant admission to only the best and the brightest out of a huge (and growing) pool of candidates.

      grey enlightenment

      August 11, 2014 at 6:29 am

      • The inability to distinguish between a good story and fact seems to be a general human trait. If the story fits your theory, it’s true. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness

        The Ivies are more meritocratic than they used to be, but still much much less meritocratic than the universities of ANY other country. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

        In fact, the very word “meritocracy” when applied to university admissions ans the class of degree granted is usually taken to mean admissions based on exams ALONE.

        I posed a math problem above. See if you can figure it out. It’s not that easy. It might even require numerical solution.

        Duke of Leinster

        August 11, 2014 at 5:16 pm

  2. A lot of writers downplay their education. Thom Jones was pitched as a short story writer who came from nowheresville, IL, but he wrote a village voice essay a few years after The Pugilist At Rest was published where he admitted having earned an MFA from the Iowa Writer’s Workshop years before.

    Dave Pinsen

    August 10, 2014 at 11:05 am

    • If I remember correctly, Jones got his MFA in the early-70s and spent the next two decades semi-unemployed, working as a high school janitor and such before whatever connections he had got him published in the New Yorker in the early-90s.

      He’s still poor–and mentally ill–if his Facebook page accurately reflects his current state.

      Robert

      August 10, 2014 at 8:09 pm

    • Iowa Writer’s Workship, not a very impressive line in your resume.

      Colmainen

      August 11, 2014 at 4:24 pm

      • The Iowa Writers’ Workshop is the most elite MFA program that writers can get into, but acceptance doesn’t make one elite, and Thom Jones definitely isn’t elite, although he’s a bright and insightful man who’s really worth reading. IMO, he’s one of the best short story writers alive today.

        If we’re counting dead people who don’t have elite educations and are otherwise worth listening to, I’d add Richard Yates (Revolutionary Road, The Easter Parade). He never went to college and had an IQ of 109 according to his AFQT, although he was an alcoholic and that was probably a John Kerry moment for him. He was RFK’s speech writer for a brief period of time (thanks to William Styron), before his alcoholism and mental health issues got the best of him.

        Robert

        August 11, 2014 at 6:20 pm

  3. Northwestern currently ranks #12 in U.S. News & World Report putting it ahead of Brown and Cornell.

    Cornell is that high?

    The Undiscovered Jew

    August 10, 2014 at 11:11 am

  4. So if we are looking for people with non-elite educations, we will have to look elsewhere.

    If you’re talking about smart people, which is outside America and the UK. No gives a damn about a Harvard or Oxford education in Continental Europe.

    And the fact that the manosphere world, which is a symptom of the Anglosphere disease, afflicts men with Ivy League degrees is telling.

    JS

    August 10, 2014 at 11:11 am

    • * No one

      JS

      August 10, 2014 at 11:12 am

    • France’s Grande Ecoles mean even more in France than Oxbridge and HYPS in Anglo-America. But I think Germany is like Canada—some schools are harder to get into, but no one really cares.

      Duke of Leinster

      August 10, 2014 at 6:43 pm

    • No gives a damn about a Harvard or Oxford education in Continental Europe.

      America is very competitive and very credentialist

      grey enlightenment

      August 11, 2014 at 6:31 am

    • No one gives a damn about an undergraduate Harvard or Oxford degree in Continental Europe, but elite US MBA or Law School degrees have a lot of clout in the right circles.

      Peter Akuleyev

      August 11, 2014 at 6:40 am

  5. USNWR is a shit measure of ‘eliteness’.

    What is best is yield rates and especially cross-yields (i.e. where do cross admits go). A student that gets into both Brown and NW is going to go to Brown the majority of the time.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Cornell won cross admits as well against NW.

    uatu

    August 10, 2014 at 11:45 am

    • University Admission-Rate SAT 6-year-graduation-rate
      Northwestern 23% 1455 95%
      Cornell 18% 1400 93%
      Brown 9% 1390 93%

      It looks like the exclusiveness of Cornell and Brown is that they get more under-qualified students to apply than Northwestern.

      See Collegeresults.org What is amazing is that Notre Dame has a higher mean SAT score than all three of those colleges.

      superdestroyer

      August 10, 2014 at 6:42 pm

  6. Additionally, he was raised in Bayonne, New Jersey, which is an area that’s socioeconomically equivalent to Staten Island, and his father was a blue-collar longshoreman.

    Dressing like a longeshoreman gives him ‘cred’ with the culturally illiterate ‘artiste’ set.

    And, is either the show or book GOT any good?

    The Undiscovered Jew

    August 10, 2014 at 11:48 am

    • The books are pretty good, although one maybe should wait until the series is finished before diving in.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 10, 2014 at 6:28 pm

    • What’s your view of the show? I’ve never seen you review it like you did Girls.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      August 10, 2014 at 7:12 pm

      • I haven’t watched it.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 10, 2014 at 11:24 pm

      • The show is great. Much better than Girls. Surprised Lion hasn’t watched it.

        Dave Pinsen

        August 11, 2014 at 1:45 am

      • The show is great.

        Noted. I’ll put watching a few episodes out on my to do list.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 11, 2014 at 6:10 pm

  7. This is going to be interesting. Unquestionably, there are influential people out there who don’t have Ivy or near-ivy credentials, but I think that basically all of them will have gained their influence by first becoming wealthy in some field with the aroma of proledom like sales, construction, or PI law. Of course there will also always be individuals who are staggeringly attractive physically. There will always be a place for them, also.

    Benelli_Bang

    August 10, 2014 at 12:19 pm

    • And of course the offsprings of the non-ivies who somehow got big will try to go to ivy or near iv.y.

      Those who gain prominence thru beauty are, unfortunately, not dynasty builders unless they started from a reasonable background. Giselle Bunchun married Thomas Brady, who is hardly a Toos (and displayed his prolish behavior by fathering another child from another woman at the same time).

      Colmainen

      August 11, 2014 at 4:28 pm

  8. He’s an X’er, and therefore superior to “elites”.

    Wears what he wants (but not a sculpted hipster), doesn’t care about status, have you seen all the pictures of him at parties with young fans? He probably won’t finish his book series because he likes to go around and talk to his fans and probably sits in his hot tub all day. I think he’s living in New Mexico.

    The most important give away is that he is fat. You will never meet an elite fatty.

    I strongly dislike “elites” because they ooze high-self-monitoring like politicians, and this is incredibly annoying. They stand for nothing. GRRM is impressive because he isn’t afraid to write characters in his publicly read books that stand in a field and “shit loose water until it ran red and there was nothing left” (paraphrasing). He is the SWPL-kryptonite (so of course they love him). SWPL elite bobo losers with money are fascinated by people like GRRM who represent everything they strive to avoid…it’s like going to the zoo. The same reason for their appreciation of rap music and the underclass et al.

    jjbees

    August 10, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    • The president of Lazard Brothers was fat, married to an oriental, and died from a heart attack at 61. His sister was Wendy Wasserstein. She was also fat and died young. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Wasserstein

      There are exceptions to every rule. But, in general, as has been remarked before, the contemporary elite tend to be very physically active and diet obsessed.

      Duke of Leinster

      August 10, 2014 at 6:52 pm

    • “The most important give away is that he is fat. You will never meet an elite fatty.”

      Lawrence Summers? Reid Hoffman?

      Dave Pinsen

      August 10, 2014 at 8:51 pm

    • GRRM is not known to have children so whatever he does he won’t build a dynasty. It might benefit a distant relative of his current wife.

      Colmainen

      August 11, 2014 at 4:31 pm

  9. “High self-monitors would be more likely to change their beliefs and opinions depending on who they’re talking to”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-monitoring

    jjbees

    August 10, 2014 at 12:46 pm

  10. Relevant to the topic of elitism and the Ivies, and also Lion’s global-warming-as-religion motif:

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/10/opinion/sunday/secular-climate-change-activists-can-learn-from-evangelical-christians.html?referrer=

    Kristin Dombek has a PhD in English from Princeton, which doesn’t qualify her to make very accurate forecasts about how rising sea levels will affect NYC neighborhoods. It does qualify her to be a high priest of our media-academic-government complex, i.e. The Cathedral.

    Rodolphe de la Boulanger

    August 10, 2014 at 12:47 pm

    • It does qualify her to be a high priest of our media-academic-government complex, i.e. The Cathedral.

      Sorry, but it’s The Synagogue. I know Lion doesn’t like to hear that but it is in fact true.

      And the reason for that goes well beyond alleged higher Jewish average IQ.

      Rifleman

      August 10, 2014 at 9:16 pm

  11. Northwestern was even more elite when Martin went there. It has declined a bit since then like almost all Midwestern and Old South universities. It also suffered when journalism employment collapsed since its j school used to be tied with Columbia for the best. Now j school is completely irrelevant.

    Still very hard to get into of course, just relative decline.

    Hollywood is very meritocratic though, make somebody some money once and after that your background isn’t relevant.

    Novo

    August 10, 2014 at 12:53 pm

  12. Steve Jobs is the example Pumpkinperson is looking for right? Dropped out of some bad-value small private college.

    Also LOB, what is your criteria/list of a lesser Ivy? Northwestern isn’t a bad school, but its not even close in quality to an Ivy League school. Is Auburn a lesser ivy? Creighton? University of Maine, where the far more prolific, talented and successful author Stephen King attended?

    Paul Rise

    August 10, 2014 at 12:54 pm

    • But Jobs would just have become a cult leader if he hadn’t known Woz, who graduated in EE from Cal. Instead he became a cult leader and a billionaire.

      Duke of Leinster

      August 10, 2014 at 6:54 pm

    • Lesser Ivies are the Ivies that aren’t HYP.

      Tier 1 schools are all “elite” in some way. Any good school not located in the Northeast (minus upper New England) or California becomes an enigma to most value transference employers.

      If you’re one of those status climbing careerists, attending any of those good schools outside of the race race corridor (Northeast and California) is a NO NO.

      JS

      August 10, 2014 at 8:28 pm

      • * rat race

        JS

        August 10, 2014 at 8:30 pm

    • Reed College, a bad value? Reed is an X-class school (since 1995, it’s refused to participate in USNWR’s rankings), but it is considered elite: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_College

      Dave Pinsen

      August 10, 2014 at 8:56 pm

    • Stephen King isn’t that talented.

      Joe Walker

      August 10, 2014 at 10:51 pm

      • Based in Boston certainly helps King.

        Colmainen

        August 11, 2014 at 4:33 pm

  13. Lion, do the remaining working class NYC Jews still produce a lot of intellectual achievement with their children?

    It is a bit depressing to see the that the Jews in American that are having big families also be the ones who go on welfare and wear weird clothing.

    Novo

    August 10, 2014 at 12:58 pm

    • Not really. The prole Jews are prole because they aren’t as smart as their higher-class brethren who have higher IQs.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 10, 2014 at 6:31 pm

      • But hasn’t lion remarked before that “difficult” religions like Judaism and Jainism have had their dumber members drop out over the centuries?

        When did this trend start to reverse?

        And it’s another example of the dumb and/or religious outbreeding the smart and/or irreligious. When did that start? And atheists have the LOWEST divorce rate!

        Duke of Leinster

        August 10, 2014 at 6:58 pm

      • There is a subset of high prole Jews who are wealthy but they are not elite. The same applies to Italians, who are further behind the eliteness factor.

        Anyone who lives in Long Island and comes from a non elite school, but is loaded with money, I think you could safely say call them proles.

        I also know of a few individuals who own homes in the Hamptons. No Ivy League credentials, just state school grads who were successful in Wall St. They are another group of proles.

        JS

        August 10, 2014 at 8:12 pm

      • “But hasn’t lion remarked before that “difficult” religions like Judaism and Jainism have had their dumber members drop out over the centuries?

        When did this trend start to reverse?”

        The hardest part of Orthodox Judaism is learning liturgical Hebrew, but you don’t have to be particularly smart to learn a second language as a child.

        Dave Pinsen

        August 11, 2014 at 1:48 am

  14. Most graduates of elite colleges in the U.S. are only a few generations removed from low social strata. My great-grandfathers held jobs like pushcart peddler, tailor, and shoemaker. The most prosperous of them owned a small grocery store in flyover country. Lion has mentioned in the past that his ancestors were similarly prole. The connection between multi-generational elite status and Ivy League colleges was probably stronger before the Ivy League and similar colleges made egalitarian changes to their admissions between the end of WWII and the late 1960’s. George R.R. Martin is only 65 and so attended college after elite colleges had begun to open to the masses.

    nebbish

    August 10, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    • One of the consequences of great social mobility in mid century America is that America is now ruled by proles.

      Duke of Leinster

      August 10, 2014 at 6:59 pm

  15. And thus further establish the popular association between magic, fantasy, sexually-repressed (or sexually undesirable), pointless gaming (if it is pointless) and the highly intelligent? And, this is a preferable association than an association with the Ivys?

    I, for one, find the popular association between men engaged in seemingly childish activities and high IQ annoying given that I’m of a generation that was allowed (encouraged) to view intelligence as congruent with manliness. People sometimes forget that James Bond was presented as smart. So were astronauts. So were military commanders (see Adm. Rickover). Even the movie Patton alluded to the man’s alleged intelligence or at least scholarly approach to war.

    Curle

    August 10, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    • There are genuine smart people, and then there are nerds, people obsessed with the idea of being smart. But I think of obsession with sports as nerdy and unmanly as adolescent.

      Duke of Leinster

      August 10, 2014 at 7:01 pm

  16. Game of thrones was so far very un-PC . It’s expresses by things like a Social structure built on classes with respect to heritage and blood , almost no none-white characters – most certainly not in leading roles , none-whites are usually presented as savages , women are dominated by males and are totally denied of sexual selection , force and cruelty leads to victory while righteousness , naivety and showing weakness leads to defeats.
    But i’m afraid that the final twist of the show will be that Daenerys Targaryen will conquare the kingdoms with her army of brown/black people and impose a multi-cultural society. . So in the end were going to get a regular Hollywood BS .

    E.D

    August 10, 2014 at 2:54 pm

    • It’s expresses by things like a Social structure built on classes with respect to heritage and blood , almost no none-white characters – most certainly not in leading roles , none-whites are usually presented as savages , women are dominated by males and are totally denied of sexual selection , force and cruelty leads to victory while righteousness , naivety and showing weakness leads to defeats.

      Then what’s GOT’s appeal to SWPLs?

      But i’m afraid that the final twist of the show will be that Daenerys Targaryen will conquare the kingdoms with her army of brown/black people and impose a multi-cultural society.

      Even if he does cave it’ll be impressive he built a career on it as long as he did.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      August 10, 2014 at 7:10 pm

    • The sad thing is, I’ve never seen the show, know nothing about the books or this author, and yet I would bet money that your prediction is spot-on solely based on the premise you give and knowing how completely twisted things have gotten in our culture and particularly in the media.

      Benelli_Bang

      August 10, 2014 at 8:26 pm

    • Women in the show aren’t “totally denied sexual selection”. Cersei, for example, made an unorthodox selection. Women wield plenty of power on the show.

      Dave Pinsen

      August 11, 2014 at 1:51 am

    • GRR martin is a big (literally) liberal. He’s trying to keep the books somewhat historically accurate

      grey enlightenment

      August 11, 2014 at 6:35 am

    • Westeros falling to Dothraki hordes isn’t necessarily PC, and I would probably find that ending pretty satisfactory. It has a certain logic to it – the Westerosi have been beating the crap out of each other and have let the door open for domination by an alien culture. That is in fact what happened to the Anglo-Saxons when the Normans came in, and is a valid metaphor for what has been happening to Europe since the devastation caused by World War I.

      Peter Akuleyev

      August 11, 2014 at 6:47 am

    • I’d be satisfied with that ending: dither amongst your selves fighting for power, and a bunch of savages will overthrow you.

      Rotten

      August 11, 2014 at 11:37 am

  17. I didn’t realize Santa Claus was so well educated.

    Mike Street Station

    August 10, 2014 at 2:58 pm

  18. Where did Elizabeth Hasselbeck and Star Jones go to college? I feel these are two of the country’s foremost intellectuals.

    vic

    August 10, 2014 at 3:04 pm

    • Boston College for Hasselbeck. American University and University of Houston for Jones.

      superdestroyer

      August 10, 2014 at 6:45 pm

    • Elizabeth Hasselbeck went to Boston College. One could do a lot worse.

      destructure

      August 10, 2014 at 9:30 pm

  19. “he was raised in Bayonne, New Jersey, which is an area that’s socioeconomically equivalent to Staten Island,”

    I had a feeling this was the case. When I had considered where I’d move to if I couldn’t afford Brooklyn anymore I had decided that Bayonne would be a good choice. It has the look of Brooklyn 1982 – with prices to match (prices from 1982, that is.) You’d think I’d be aiming for a more posh area, but I guess I’m just a natural-born prole!

    Maryk

    August 10, 2014 at 4:18 pm

  20. LOL! He so’s non-elite looking he’s elite looking,

    If I ever become a billionaire I’m going to give scholarships to the best & brightest students but to get it they must sign a contract that they will never attend or be employed by an elite school.

    pumpkinperson

    August 10, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    • He so’s non-elite looking he’s elite looking,

      The word you’re looking for is, ‘authentic’.

      He’s milked that shlub, quasi-second coming of Melville, working-man artist persona for all it’s worth. And the foolhardy SWPLs bought it hook line and sinker. A masterpiece of social climbing.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      August 10, 2014 at 7:03 pm

    • pumpkin, why the bitterness towards elite schools?

      grey enlightenment

      August 11, 2014 at 6:37 am

      • 1) because we don’t have such a strong university hierarchy here in Canada. The U.S. College structure is a caste system that brands people for life. That’s just not the way I was raised.

        2)Elite colleges & their graduates are hypocrites. They get the street cred of being politically correct liberals but they worship wealth & status, value IQ ( SAT scores) & they practice apartheid. They actively conspire to keep graduates of lesser schools from achieving wealth or power & try to punish them when they do.

        3)The whole reason IQ is so fascinating to me is that intelligent people get to the top naturally by doing smart things & avoiding dumb mistakes. Elite schools demand that smart people get ahead by doing well on an IQ test ( SAT) that gives them credentials. This takes a fascinating natural phenomenon (smart people get to the top) & reduces it to a boring socially engineered self-prophecy & prevents us from studying the phenomenon under ideal circumstances. It’s like trying to study why the fastest cheetah gets the food only to discover someone has been testing the cheetahs for speed & feeding the fast ones instead of letting them catch food themselves. The capitalist economy makes a beautiful metaphor for Darwinism but these schools keep trying to mediate the process.

        pumpkinperson

        August 11, 2014 at 8:11 am

      • If anyone here is smart enough to realize that America has so many undesirables especially NAMs, that a caste system needs to be place to stop them from proliferating. It makes sense and it’s a Catch 22. Blame the idiots in power of yesterday and today who didn’t deport them back to Africa and allow so many 3rd world migrants to come here both legally and illegally.

        Comparing America to Canada is a non issue. The Canadians are saner and their immigrants and demographics are socially healthier and usually more educated.

        JS

        August 11, 2014 at 8:54 am

      • If anyone here has read Jacques Lacan, the French Psychoanalyst , he was very anti-American simply because American intellectuals are nothing but cogs to the Capitalistic Machine, and this was more than 40 years ago when said this, where he saw higher education and professionalism in the United States became tools for the money making matrix. Prophetically, this has became very true today, as university administrators whom many of them are former professors, love to stretch their palm to the corporatists for money and higher education in the United States is very much a corporate entity.

        JS

        August 11, 2014 at 9:09 am

  21. Facial hair = not elite.

    There are no exceptions.

    Science fiction/fantasy = not elite.

    There are no exceptions.

    Elite entertainers though only two generation deep—the Therouxs.

    I suspect people like the guy above of some sexual perversion.

    Duke of Leinster

    August 10, 2014 at 6:28 pm

  22. I spent some time at pumpkin person’s blog. He strikes me as a person with a thoroughly conventional, egalitarian, politically correct worldview who has developed an interest in a politically incorrect area of thought. He already has people in his comments calling him an idiot and a racist. It will be interesting to see which way he goes; he’s going to have to choose the red pill or not.

    Dash RIprock

    August 10, 2014 at 6:30 pm

  23. But showfolk of all kinds are non elite. CEOs don’t like to hang out with them. They hate them.

    The possible exception is serious “literary” authors.

    Duke of Leinster

    August 10, 2014 at 6:33 pm

  24. Lion, did you ever read the fantasy books of Patrick Ruthfuss which several of us recommended to you?
    Anyway, he’s a better writer than Martin.

    He has a BA in English from the University of Wisconsin – Stevens Point and an MA from Washington State University. It took him 9 years to do that. That sounds pretty non-elite, and he also has a longer, more unkempt beard than Martin.

    CamelCaseRob

    August 10, 2014 at 7:16 pm

  25. Was Karl Marx elite?

    Kant

    August 10, 2014 at 7:49 pm

    • Marx had a middle class background and finished a PhD which put you probably in the top 1% of academic achievement in the 1840ties. Of course he was often broke later on and had to rely financially on Engels who was the son of a wealthy manufacturer

      nomen nescio

      August 11, 2014 at 3:13 am

  26. NW is a really good school. But I’m sure Martin would not be admitted today. A lot of past Ivy graduates will tell you the same thing. It seems like post WWII-1980 was a great time for someone intelligent to go to college, now college admissions resemble American Idol more than anything.

    Kant

    August 10, 2014 at 7:51 pm

  27. Richard Branson and James Cameron come to mind. I’m pretty sure neither has a college degree.

    A lot of rich people intentionally slum it for various reasons. I once met the heirs to the UPS fortune and their young kids were crawling around the floor of a filthy cabin half naked. I didn’t know who they were at the time and considered bringing a food donation next time I visited.

    slithy toves

    August 10, 2014 at 7:54 pm

    • If you know what being poor is like, you would do everything to keep it from happening.

      Colmainen

      August 11, 2014 at 5:03 pm

  28. By the way, this guy look like an Italian guy who I had as a professor who graduated from a Catholic College. He was a somewhat of a smart guy, but because of our media propaganda, his non-elite credentials is constantly reminding my reptilian brain that he is a prole.

    JS

    August 10, 2014 at 8:37 pm

  29. I would like to thank the Lion. Merely by linking to my blog, I got more traffic today than in the entire time either of my blogs have existed. You have to figure out away to make MONEY off your huge readership, buddy!

    pumpkinperson

    August 10, 2014 at 9:04 pm

  30. He looks prole because of his disheveled look and his total uninterest in keeping up with modern fashion trends, but this is far from indicative of proleness. People who self -actualize are way too busy to bother with clothes or combing their hair. That’s why mark zuckerberg wears hoodies to important business meetings.

    On the other hand guidos, who are prole, spend hours combing their hair and on making sure that their suit is tailored.

    Josh

    August 10, 2014 at 9:54 pm

    • Mark Zuckerberg wears hoodies, but it doesn’t mean he doesn’t care about his appearance.

      Thomas

      August 11, 2014 at 3:57 am

    • this is true. It adds to the authenticity . He almost could be mistaken for one of the characters in his books

      grey enlightenment

      August 11, 2014 at 6:39 am

  31. off topic, but killing your wife in cold blood in front of a bunch of people, that is so prole!

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/man-stabs-wife-death-broad-daylight-bronx-street-cops-article-1.1898283

    rivsdiary

    August 11, 2014 at 1:01 am

  32. The success and quality of a writer is not obviously connected with his formal education. Martin apparently got stuck in some 70ties alternative counterculture as far as his appearance is concerned. This is not so rare with artists, especially writers. I guess this might make them even more popular with fans on conventions etc.
    He was only moderately/intermittently successful before hitting big with the Song of Ice and Fire series. He was in his late forties when the first of these books was published. So it also makes sense that he kept a rather down to earth personality and style, because he was barely comfortable middle class for many years as a somewhat struggling author.

    nomen nescio

    August 11, 2014 at 4:03 am

  33. I just found this video of this Asian professor speaking about the high costs of American education.

    It makes a lot of sense as to why many people perceive Asians lacking in any original thought and their eagerness to succumb to the powers to be, stereotypes them as a group without any charisma and leadership qualities that keeps them out of the elite circles.

    JS

    August 11, 2014 at 9:53 am

  34. Dear Lion, there is some compelling evidence that the IQ of a child and also the income that child earns as an an adult is almost entirely determined by genetics, not the parents and not the neighborhood the child grows up in. A large number of Korean babies were randomly assigned to adoptive families and the Korean babies raised by fat prole whites turned out to have the same iq and income as the
    Korean babies raised by investment bankers and other elite http://www.nber.org/papers/w10894

    Wencil jones

    August 11, 2014 at 9:54 am

    • Does not matter since the girls will marry white betas and omegas and the boys will fly back to Korea to become singers, like John Park, the Northwestern grad who showed up at American Idol and eventually returned to Korea to become a Korean singer.

      Colmainen

      August 11, 2014 at 5:06 pm

  35. […] some major news for this blog and I must take a moment to thank the Lion of the Blogosphere, who by writing about me yesterday on his wildly popular blog, drove the number of unique visitors and page views to far and away the […]

  36. I believe GRRM was super-connected in the TV world from the 80s on, Wrote scripts for high rating TV shows, had connections who wanted to know if they could help him out. So from his late 30s or so, he has had access to real entertainment cash. So any non-elite appearances are purely nostalgic on his part. Personally I am not going to spend time with Game of Thrones and sequels until someone I trust tells me it is not a bogusly-Tolkienized existential novelization of LA Law or Hill Street Blues or Ally McBeal ,,,Would love to be wrong, I know he was upset to be called a “nihilist” – that was a good sign…unless he was just kidding …

    don't be a boring parent

    August 11, 2014 at 9:28 pm

  37. As soon as I read the headline I said, “Of course he isn’t; he is from Bayonne, New Jersey.”

    Sure enough, LotB mentions Bayonne is his post.

    ScarletNumber

    August 12, 2014 at 4:10 pm


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