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Ann Coulter promotes the truth about immigration and Republicans

Ann Coulter concludes her op ed:

Putting 12 million to 20 million of them on a “path to citizenship” won’t make them like Republicans; it will make Republicans lose.

Let’s hope that some Republicans actually read this.

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Should I mention that Ann Coulter graduated from an Ivy League school and a Top Fourteen law school?

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

February 21, 2013 at EDT am

Posted in Immigration, Politics

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  1. Even crazy people are right sometimes.

    Alejandro Valdez

    February 21, 2013 at EDT am

    • Coulter’s actually be right a lot. Go read her column archives. This isn’t the first time she’s made this point.

      DaveinHackensack

      February 21, 2013 at EDT pm

  2. Ann Coulter graduated from an Ivy league school and a Top Fourteen law school? That explains why she’s childless. Most traditional conservative dudes and girls (as opposed to libertarians, neoconservatives and atheist “conservatives”) are from state universities and community colleges and they tend to form families young and stay together.

    They don’t dig upper class chicks. Ivy League schools are full of liberal men and women.

    And yes the stereotype of a “domestic violence couple” who divorces is just that. A huge misconception from egalitarian liberals. Most of those couples actually stay together for a long time.

    The divorce rate is higher because of men and women who divorce 3, 4 and 5 times, who pull everybody else higher. So you think most couples are breaking up when in reality 20-25% do the break ups and the rest stay together.

    56ftoian

    February 21, 2013 at EDT am

    • “Ann Coulter graduated from an Ivy league school and a Top Fourteen law school?”

      Why is there a question mark? What exactly surprises you about that?

      “That explains why she’s childless.”

      Non-Sequitur? Women who go to high ranking schools don’t have children?

      “Most traditional conservative dudes and girls (as opposed to libertarians, neoconservatives and atheist “conservatives”) are from state universities and community colleges and they tend to form families young and stay together. They don’t dig upper class chicks.”

      She’s not upper-class but of working-stock Irish Catholic origin. Going to the Ivy League doesn’t make someone upper class, especially not anymore; back in the day, it was an indicator of class in the Northeast, but not the cause of being in a specific class. It also seems a bit much to think men, in general, don’t chase women who are hot, “upper-class” or not. The lower classes are mostly oblivious as to who is higher class than they are anyway.

      “Ivy League schools are full of liberal men and women.”

      True, but in the several decades since graduation she might have met someone else.

      “And yes the stereotype of a “domestic violence couple” who divorces is just that. A huge misconception from egalitarian liberals. Most of those couples actually stay together for a long time.”

      And domestic violence is connected with amnesty in what way?

      “The divorce rate is higher because of men and women who divorce 3, 4 and 5 times, who pull everybody else higher. So you think most couples are breaking up when in reality 20-25% do the break ups and the rest stay together.”

      True, and a very good point that should be repeated elsewhere. The Vegas drive-thru Elvis weddings inflate the divorce stats. But still, not related to immigration “reform”.

      Preston Bell

      February 21, 2013 at EDT pm

  3. Coulter, like Buchanan before her, can think long term. She also is not a polite, quiet conservative, which is why the Left hates her so much. She knows the beast and calls it what it is.

    Coulter and Maher went to Cornell at the same time. Coulter was in DG, which is the hot Gentile sorority. My theory is that Maher hates COulter not just for political reasons but because she represents the hot chicks at CU he had no chance at being a Joe Camel lookalike.

    SOBL1

    February 21, 2013 at EDT am

    • I believe they are actually good friends in private. Ann Coulter is a master performer.

      ASF

      February 21, 2013 at EDT am

    • Maher and Ann Coulter dated and continue to this day to be good friends.

      Jay

      February 21, 2013 at EDT pm

    • Bill Maher is rich and has a popular TV show. I don’t think he is resenting anyone from college. Also he and Coulter are both known for getting along socially with partisans from the other side.

      Coulter is very solid on immigration, but she makes herself look stupid writing books with titles like Godless and Treason.

      Her columns likewise range from thoughtful and even brave to nasty regurgitations of Hannity talking points.

      That’s what is required of her by the giant for-profit right wing media Murdoch/Limbaugh complex. Coulter without the clownish stuff and prole bait is just Heather MacDonald.

      Pillow

      February 21, 2013 at EDT pm

      • Coulter is an outrageous media personality first, serious politics writer only a very distant second.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 21, 2013 at EDT pm

      • There are other mainstream Republican editorialists aside from Coulter who are probably HBD readers. These columnists are among the smarter/better schooled Republican oped writers. David Brooks is rumored to be an iSteve reader. James Taranto has recently been quoting studies about dating that back up Game websites. Ross Douthat sometimes hints at HBD. And David Frum is a RINO on almost every issue except immigration where Frum has stood surprisingly strong against the supposedly “good” type of immigration, legal immigration, as well as illegal. I doubt Frum would be useless on nearly every issue except immigration if weren’t privately be following HBD.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 21, 2013 at EDT pm

    • That’s exactly what he looks like, good call. But that last sentence needs a comma. BTW, at Berkeley the hottest chicks were always Kappas. DG’s were second or third.

      mel belli

      February 21, 2013 at EDT pm

    • i dislike maher as everyone else here, but the guy is a textbook playboy in his private life. check out whodateswho.com for a glimpse.

      guys like that were no sexless nerdlings in college or ever.

      maciano

      February 24, 2013 at EDT am

  4. Ann Coulter graduated from an Ivy League school and a Top Fourteen law school

    And by your standards, she thus has “gravitas” and should run for President?

    Tarl

    February 21, 2013 at EDT am

    • the way the trend is, cornell will not be a presidential alma mater anytime soon.

      uatu

      February 21, 2013 at EDT pm

  5. Hannity began his interview with Coulter with his familiar laundry list of grievances against Maher: “it seems like he’s more angry, more bitter, more liberal, more hateful,” but no one stood up to him. He also noted he was not “going to spend a lot of time on him because he gets too much attention,” to which Coulter retorted, “from you!” She then addressed Hannity’s complaints, half in jest– “you want me to have no other friends than you, Sean Hannity”– half in earnest. “I obviously don’t believe in his politics, I like him, he’s a true and loyal friend, he always has been” she noted.

    Plus, she added, “he bought me dinner, so I’m not going to say anything bad about it… I’m easy. I’m a cheap date.”

    CamelCaseRob

    February 21, 2013 at EDT am

    • Bill Maher looks great for a 50+ guy. Coulter’s attitude regarding Maher proves women will ALWAYS like and defend guys they’re attracted to regardless of whether they would otherwise loath them.

      I made the same point regarding an Israeli actress and model who dated Saif Gaddafi. Recall the Gaddafi’s were rabid anti-Semitics once and have supported terrorism against Israel in the past. None of that matters because being alpha/attractive or whatever you want to call it transcends EVERYTHING for women.

      Conquistador

      February 21, 2013 at EDT pm

      • Maher is in shape, because he is into health food and doesn’t like to eat, but he’s not a handsome man. I doubt Coulter is particularly attracted to him. I would take her words at face value. She probably respects that he lets her and other conservatives come on his show (and she is far and away the most effective of those guests at making the right’s case on his show).

        DaveinHackensack

        February 22, 2013 at EDT am

  6. you forget the wing of R’s that are pro immigration due to the profits they can make of it. they dont care that they will bring down the party with them. they will simply redirect their funds towards pro business democrats if they havent already

    anon

    February 21, 2013 at EDT pm

    • I have to admit that I find the whole “pro immigration due to the profits they can make of it” a little baffling. Hiring a recent immigrant to do unskilled labor is probably one of the least profitable business models in the US economy. The people making big profits are hiring Ivy League grads (we can debate whether those grads are any good or not) and other top-tier talent to make profits. If financial services makes up the largest profit pool in the US, virtually none of those profits come from the hiring of immigrants, with rare exceptions being the people you’d want to immigrate to your country anyway, and there aren’t too many of those.

      Even IT work done by Asian immigrants doesn’t really drive profits except, obviously, at IT companies. IT is a cost center most other places and, due to the nature of competitive markets, much of any IT costs saved get redirected into price competition.

      I’m not saying I can’t be convinced with some data, but I have never found this rationale for supporting immigration, which is mainly attributed to business interests, to be particularly convincing or to square with my experience of who are the people generating profits in the businesses I’ve worked in and read about.

      In fact, it’s for this reason that, even though I definitely skew toward libertarian in viewpoint, I have no problem opposing the immigration of unskilled labor. It’s a losing business model in the age of ever-increasing automation and the US shouldn’t be pursuing it. Maybe there are some older Chamber of Commerce types who are using outdated thinking to justify their support for immigration, but if they are doing it “for the profits they can make from it”, they’re not really paying attention to their income statements because immigrants don’t do shit for profitability, as far as I can see.

      BS Inc.

      February 21, 2013 at EDT pm

      • Obviously noone is hiring illiterate mestizo peasants to work on wall street. But immigrants do come here and find work. So unless you can come up with a large number of examples of areas where low skilled immigrants are hired but should not be all that shows is that you are ignorant of those areas of the economy. I am as well but basic logic tells you that unskilled immigrants are being hired somewhere and you should assume until proven otherwise that those employers are acting in their own short term interest.

        It sounds like you are educated and work in various sectors of the knowledge economy. But that is not the whole economy even if it contains the most profitable sectors of it (finance, pharmaceuticals, etc.).

        Reynald

        February 21, 2013 at EDT pm

      • Your argument is essentially: finance is the most profitable, immigrants are not profitable in finance, thus hiring immigrants isn’t profitable. When reduced to two propositions you will see that your conclusion doesn’t follow. The reality is that most businessmen are not in finance. Many of them are in industries where hiring immigrants is the profitable thing to do. For example if you were going to open 20 Cosi restaurants it would make sense to hire a bunch of illegals from Brazil.

        T

        February 21, 2013 at EDT pm

      • “So unless you can come up with a large number of examples of areas where low skilled immigrants are hired but should not be all that shows is that you are ignorant of those areas of the economy.”

        My point is that the amount of profit where those low-skilled immigrants are hired is pretty minimal and seems like it wouldn’t be worth the effort. The difference in profit for a company being able to hire an immigrant as a janitor as opposed to a native-born American doesn’t seem worth the hassle to me. But, it is true that I work in higher-level areas of the economy, so the idea of saving a couple bucks per hour in labor costs doesn’t really matter to me the way it would to someone whose entire profit consists of those couple of bucks.

        Like I said, though, regardless of what the impact of unskilled labor on current profits is (and I do think it is low), it’s only going to go to zero soon as most unskilled labor becomes replaceable by robots. Supporting unskilled immigration in 2013 is like buying tulips at the height of tulipmania.

        BS Inc.

        February 21, 2013 at EDT pm

      • “Your argument is essentially: finance is the most profitable, immigrants are not profitable in finance, thus hiring immigrants isn’t profitable. When reduced to two propositions you will see that your conclusion doesn’t follow. The reality is that most businessmen are not in finance. Many of them are in industries where hiring immigrants is the profitable thing to do. For example if you were going to open 20 Cosi restaurants it would make sense to hire a bunch of illegals from Brazil.”

        Those same businesses that hire a bunch of illegals from Brazil should, by this point, realize that by hiring illegals (or unskilled legals), that they are imposing all of the costs that the Left can get through when it’s voted into power by these same people (OK, not a lot of illegals vote, but they certainly support the Left), so that “cheap” labor they hire comes back to bite them in the ass in the form of costly regulations and higher taxes and overall agitation against free markets.

        If the average hourly wage discrepancy between an unskilled immigrant and a native-born American is $2/hour, over the course of an average year, that’s about $3K difference in pay. But, the Left, when voted into power by the demographic the immigrant belongs to, imposes $4K in costs on the business in various ways, so it’s a net loss.

        It’s not just the “unskilled” part of immigration that doesn’t seem to be a big boon to profitability to me, it’s also the added political costs the immigrants’ presence lends itself to.

        My argument is broader than I may have initially stated it and is more along the lines of saying that any analysis of profitability which businesses are going through to determine that immigration, and supporting immigration, is driving profits is probably too narrow because I don’t see it.

        The other element of my argument is that even if there is some marginal incremental profitability gained by hiring unskilled and illegal immigrants today, that’s going away and soon due to the increase in automation of those unskilled jobs. If I were advising a business on labor issues, I’d tell them to take the money and time they are spending in supporting immigration and invest it in robots to replace both the native-born and the unskilled immigrants because that’s a more sensible investment.

        BS Inc.

        February 22, 2013 at EDT am

  7. OT: isteve’s comments are down 80% since his horrible new capcha software update. Will the Lion of the B-sphere fill the void?

    Pillow

    February 21, 2013 at EDT pm

    • Really? I find that hard to believe. Any reduction in commenting might be due to the stories he’s running. But I haven’t noticed a significant reduction. Either way I enjoy this blog as well.

      FWG

      February 21, 2013 at EDT pm

  8. Also Steve has been too liberal in letting dumb anti-Semite comments through. Now sometimes here and there one will be insightful, but mostly they are just dumb in-jokes about “scots-Irish” or contentless expressions of prolish resentment against a successful and productive minority.

    In my view, paleocons need to be strongly pro Jewish.

    Pillow

    February 21, 2013 at EDT pm

    • Why’s that?

      S_McCoy The Winged Lion of Questioning

      February 22, 2013 at EDT am

  9. “Ann Coulter graduated from an Ivy league school and a Top Fourteen law school? That explains why she’s childless.”

    There is some reason to believe that Coulter has a medical condition known as Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, which would make it impossible for her to have children. Externally, women with AIS look completely female and have poon tangs, but they do not have uteruses or ovaries. They do, however, have underdeveloped internal _cojones_, in fact these produce enough estrogen to allow girls with AIS to develop adult female bodies at the normal age for puberty. Of course the girls do not have periods, which in most cases is what leads to testing and the discovery of the condition. In most cases the internal family jewels are surgically removed in order to reduce the risk of cancer.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    February 21, 2013 at EDT pm

    • What are these reasons that you speak of?
      Ann Coulter’s tall, slender physique does fit the typical presentation of androgen insensitivity syndrome. But AIS is a rare condition.

      AsianDude

      February 21, 2013 at EDT pm

  10. Actually, when she went to UM law, it was rated 3rd or 4th.

    helene edwards

    February 21, 2013 at EDT pm

  11. Coulter is in it for the money and celebrity.

    Comrade

    February 21, 2013 at EDT pm

    • That’s right, no one of intelligence could possibly believe those right-wing things she says. /sarcasm

      CamelCaseRob

      February 21, 2013 at EDT pm

  12. Coulter’s has also recently hinted she’s at least open to reversing third world immigration, not just stopping future unskilled immigrants from arriving. I think she may be an HBD peruser.

    http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-12-05.html

    The youth vote is a snapshot of elections to come if nothing is done to reverse the deluge of unskilled immigrants pouring into the country as a result of Ted Kennedy’s 1965 immigration act. Eighty-five percent of legal immigrants since 1968 have come from the Third World. A majority of them are in need of government assistance.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    February 21, 2013 at EDT pm

  13. All of the comments about Ivy League schools, a woman’s looks, or who is dating who shows why Republicans will never make a come back. Republicans are too easily pushed off track, Republicans can no longer focus on the long term, and Republicans no longer have goals.

    I doubt if anyone could describe Coulter’s vision for America.

    superdestroyer

    February 21, 2013 at EDT pm

  14. lion, can you get rid of the embedded, nested comment replies? it makes reading comments harder. thanks.

    rivsdiary

    February 22, 2013 at EDT am

  15. O/T: If there’s one thing that will help Christie melt away fat, its steroids and other PEDs. WIth the right training and pharmacology, he could make tremendous progress, and his resulting physique wouldn’t be an obvious steroid body like Barry Bonds. Plus he’d be an inspirational story.

    No obvious downside besides having to cycle off during the really busy portions of presidential election season, plus if he’s actually president keeping roids a secret will be especially hard, so his physique might take a hit. But for the next few years, giddyup governer.

    An Italian in jersey should have no problem getting roids on the down low.

    Jim

    February 22, 2013 at EDT am

  16. Ann Coulter often makes a heck of a lot of sense.

    Jefferson Raskin

    February 22, 2013 at EDT am

  17. O/T: If there’s one thing that will help Christie melt away fat, its steroids and other PEDs. WIth the right training and pharmacology, he could make tremendous progress, and his resulting physique wouldn’t be an obvious steroid body like Barry Bonds

    Christie has a very fleshy face. If he lost too much weight his facial skin might hang down in the cheeks on both sides like Droopy the Bassett Hound.

    Camlost

    February 22, 2013 at EDT pm

    • So you think he’d be better off not losing weight? First I’ve heard that opinion

      jake

      February 25, 2013 at EDT pm

  18. Coulter is one of the few conservative commentators who actually takes a position in opposition of amnesty. Most of the others think it will be the answer to the Republican’s demographic problem or regard it as inevitable anyway.

    That shows how bad off the right is when so few of it’s pundits believe what is a basic tenet of the right.

    Mike

    February 23, 2013 at EDT pm


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