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OJ: the classless beverage?

Few beverages are as classless as orange juice. You can drink it in front of bobos without being looked down upon, but you can also drink it in front of proles without them thinking that you’re an elitist snob.

Even other fruit juices lack orange juice’s classless character. For example, pomegranate juice is bobo and grape juice is prole, even though they taste almost the same.

Only water is as classless as OJ, and even with something as ubiquitous as water there are strong class distinctions in consumption habits, with the bobos preferring bottled water and the proles drinking tap water because they think it’s stupid to pay money for water, especially when it often sells for more than soda.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

February 28, 2013 at EDT pm

Posted in Bobos, Proles

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  1. OJ is classless if the SWPL drinks Tropicana or similar brand with Joe the Plumber. If the bobo consumes a freshly squeezed orange rendered from a fancy juicer or press, then the class distinction becomes evident.

    DdR

    February 28, 2013 at EDT pm

    • OJ through a juicer comes out like sludge. You have to use the hand press variety. Making your own OJ is far more expensive than even the premium brands. A cheaper juicer juice is carrot, and arguably healthier. Don’t OJ manufacturers do sordid and gross things to juice on its way to the shelf? “Fresh” is a very loosely used term when it comes to OJ.

      And don’t forget, the low carb crowd gets hysterical over all things fruit juice.

      islandmommy

      March 1, 2013 at EDT am

      • I don’t know why the OJ comes out as sludge from your juicer. I use the Omega 8006, and the juice is pulp free. I thought every juicer has a strainer?

        I completely agree that juice manufacturers adulterate their product for the sake of “freshness”. I can’t remember the last time I went out and bought fruit juice from a store. Either juice it fresh there to gain all the beneficial nutrients and enzymes saved from pasteurization, or else forego juice.

        I try to follow a more low-carb lifestyle, nonetheless I won’t deprive myself of a orange, grapefruit, carrot or pomegranate juice once in a while. Life’s too short otherwise.

        DdR

        March 1, 2013 at EDT pm

    • @DdR: I think OJ from concentrate which is the plurality of orange juice consumed in the US should be prole. Growing up I was given an actual orange for breakfast from my prole mother. She always said concentrated OJ was garbage. When I looked into it in my later years she was correct. SWPL’s would not drink it if they knew what went into the actual processing of the product. That being said it does hit the spot in the a.m.

      Joe S

      March 3, 2013 at EDT am

  2. How have you not yet commented on the whole “coding is cool” meme. This video even tries to compare coders to rock stars!

    http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2013/02/27/clip-of-the-day/

    yo

    February 28, 2013 at EDT pm

    • IT nerds are rising in social status.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      March 1, 2013 at EDT am

      • Not at all. The typical IT guy is a dweeb. However, I have to say the dirtbags in SF are equivalent to the stuff suits of NYC. Therefore, an IT guy in the Bay Area is equivalent to a Wall St/BigLaw dude, as long as he doesn’t apply the same standards in the Big Apple.

        Women still want handsome jerks, not the nice guys who troubleshoot their computers without looking.

        Just Speculating

        March 1, 2013 at EDT pm

      • Women still want handsome jerks, not the nice guys who troubleshoot their computers without looking.

        Women respond to social status signalling. IT is becoming higher status thanks to the fame of tech superstar CEOs like Steve Jobs and Brin.

        Windows 8 is a travesty.

        Ballmer needs to be whipped with a rubber hose.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        March 3, 2013 at EDT am

    • It’s cool if you’re young and work for a startup or Obama’s reelection campaign. Not so cool if you’re a middle aged guy coding for a big company.

      DaveinHackensack

      March 1, 2013 at EDT am

    • The video is overly optimistic; it paints a rose-colored picture of the programming world. For one thing, coders are not in short supply. There are boatloads (literally) of Indians and Chinese waiting to fill any labor shortages. Moreover, the majority of software on the market is either forgettable/useless or highly derivative. The industry is driven by marketing and consumer expectations (which is another way of saying consumer ignorance) and there aren’t nearly as many genuine innovations as the press would have you believe. Just because something exists doesn’t mean there’s a good reason for it to exist. If tech companies followed this rule the market could be shrunk down to about 1/10th of its current size. There’s no good reason for Windows 8 to exist. There’s no good reason for about 75% of mobile apps to exist (useless and/or derivative/duplicative). There’s no good reason for “smart TV’s to exist at their current price point. There’s no good reason for Apple to exist. And other stuff which I barely even know about because it’s so useless and/or derivative of something else which has been around for ages.

      You can’t just jump into coding today and expect to create a killer app next year. Practically everything has already been done multiple times over. If it weren’t for hardware and platform changes it would be abundantly obvious to most people that very little has changed on the software front since the mid 2000’s. It’s all the same shit with shinier graphics, to put it bluntly.

      New OS’s? They suck. What qualitative improvements do they bring to the table aside from shiny and resource-consuming GUIs? I’ll stick with XP forever. New games? They’re exactly the same as ones that were being made in 2002, only with better graphics. Phone apps? Who the hell needs 10000 of them? Get your GPS, your camera, your calculator, what else? Software suites? Give me a break. Photoshop is Photoshop and MSWord is MSWord. Doesn’t matter if it’s from 2013 or 1997, still the same crap. The story of tech is nothin’ ever changes but everyone pretends it does.

      Allerious

      March 1, 2013 at EDT am

      • Windows 8 is a travesty. It’s almost impossible to get any actual work done on a computer without a mouse + keyboard, and the ability to have multiple windows easily accessible. Let me decide how to lay out my files, OK?

        John

        March 1, 2013 at EDT pm

  3. Porn is classless. Both the male and female versions of porn (50 Shades is read by plenty of SWPL and upper class women). You should do a post listing classless consumables.

    matriarchal hyena uberclits

    February 28, 2013 at EDT pm

    • Speaking of porn and social class, I suspect that my, ahem, taste in that sort of entertainment tends to be upscale. Which means in turn that the Hideous Pedophilic Bald Eagle is more prole. I get hints of this when I peruse (for research purposes only, of course) Voyeurweb and Guess Her Muff: the trashier a chick looks – fake hooters, fake tan, pierced navel, uglier tattoos – the greater the chances of her being completely hairless.
      You get a similar effect with chix on GHM who are photographed with … objects. Guaranteed hairless.

      Peter

      March 1, 2013 at EDT am

    • “You should do a post listing classless consumables.” Yes! Great idea.

      rivsdiary

      March 4, 2013 at EDT pm

  4. Anne Rice, I recall from college reading, has her Lestat enthuse over orange juice as the best substitute for the taste of blood (when he briefly sojourns as human) in “The Tale of the Body Thief”.

    So even undead aristos agree.

    Lucius Somesuch

    February 28, 2013 at EDT pm

  5. I honestly still don’t understand why anyone would pay for water.

    Whoever cooked up bottled water was a marketing genius…

    JayMan

    February 28, 2013 at EDT pm

    • Seriously? You are assuming that your local water processing plant does such a good job of purifying the water that the reverse osmosis that Coca Cola does contributes nothing worthwhile? Plus, you are assuming that the water from the municipal processing plant undergoes no significant degradation running thru miles of pipes.

      CamelCaseRob

      March 1, 2013 at EDT pm

  6. Proles have OJ knockoff like Sunny D.

    asdf

    February 28, 2013 at EDT pm

  7. I would really disagree with OJ being “classless.” Every soft drink, energy drink, (or pretty much anything that comes from a can) is of lower status.

    Bottled water is idiotic as well, tap water is logically the best option, I wouldn’t say tap water is “prolish” but actually a better option. Why purchase an overpriced piece of plastic that came from a tap, sat in a warehouse, and delivered in a dirty truck where it was likely exposed to high temperature. I’d imagine that non-disposable higher quality water bottles would be “classier” than a disposable brand-name piece of plastic containing tap water owned by a soft drink manufacturer.

    Bob Jones

    February 28, 2013 at EDT pm

    • “Why purchase an overpriced piece of plastic that came from a tap, sat in a warehouse, and delivered in a dirty truck where it was likely exposed to high temperature.”

      Are you really that stupid, or you’re pretending?

      Mineral water doesn’t come from a “tap”, but from mountains. Also, plastic is totally neutral, it doesn’t “leech” — contrary to delusions of cranks and health nuts.

      Thomas

      March 1, 2013 at EDT am

      • I live in the Great Lakes region not too far from where many of these are manufactured. Are there any mountains within an a few hours of commute? If mineral water came actually came from mountains (rather than one of the largest fresh water sources in the world), it would still follow through the same process. Warehouses are filthy, the water probably sits around for a long time, and you are still buying a disposable. Despite the thoughts of many as well, “Mineral Water” really has no other meaning than that the water has some impurities in it.

        The main advantage (and perhaps only) of bottled water is convenience, not unlike that of fast food.

        Bob Jones

        March 1, 2013 at EDT am

      • He actually thinks bottled water comes from a mountain because the label has a picture of one.

        anonface

        March 1, 2013 at EDT am

      • Yes, that’s right! These crystal clear waters flow down from mountain springs, babbling and shining in the sun. Barefoot maidens scoop up the occasional ladle full, and poor it lovingly into the bottle. Cherubs then fly it on a velvet pillow to your local supermarket, where it waits, ready to refresh your very soul.

        steve

        March 1, 2013 at EDT am

      • “There is a large body of scientific evidence demonstrating the harmful effects of very small amounts of BPA in laboratory and animal studies, but little clinical evidence related to humans,” explains Belcher [PhD level researcher at University of Cinicnatti]. “There is a very strong suspicion in the scientific community, however, that this chemical has harmful effects on humans.”

        The UC researchers found that the amount of BPA released from new and used polycarbonate drinking bottles was the same — both in quantity and speed of release — into cool or temperate water.

        However, drastically higher levels of BPA were released once the bottles were briefly exposed to boiling water.

        Prior to boiling water exposure, the rate of release from individual bottles ranged from 0.2 to 0.8 nanograms per hour. After exposure, rates increased to 8 to 32 nanograms per hour.”

        http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080130092108.htm

        Get your facts straight before spouting off about “cranks,” son.

        shiva1008

        March 1, 2013 at EDT pm

  8. We salute you, our status crazed Dark Lord.

    Ooouiiid.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    March 1, 2013 at EDT am

  9. All fruit juice sucks, with the exception of drinks made with lemon or lime.

    OJ spikes one’s sugar too much, and diabetes is totally prole.

    Tap water tastes like hell. Anyone who can’t tell is a prole by default, never-mind the penny pinching.

    To mimic the upper class, drink stuff like limoncella. You can make it. It’s higher class because you’d likely only know about it if you’ve been to places like Italy or Greece. Also, early-in-the-day liquor drinks, in general, are higher class.

    Tom

    March 1, 2013 at EDT am

    • Tap water tastes good in my town. I live in British Columbia and we have lots of mountains.

      Melykin

      March 2, 2013 at EDT am

      • I don’t doubt it. I was just generalizing based on my local tap water, which tastes like chlorine and metal. I should have said, “anyone who can’t tell that tap water tastes like hell in my area is prole by default”. Or they can’t taste anything, which also happens sometimes with age.

        Tom

        March 4, 2013 at EDT pm

    • Tap water quality varies wildly from place to place. Native Manhattanites are very proud of their tap water and look down on people who drink bottled water as clueless newcomers, tourists or posers. Bottled water is what people from Los Angeles are forced to drink.

      Peter the Shark

      March 2, 2013 at EDT am

      • I wouldn’t have thought that tap water in Manhattan is good. I’m going next week, and so I’ll taste and report back with my take on it as compared to my local water.

        Tom

        March 4, 2013 at EDT pm

  10. No, proles drink sunny delight or orange drink, and the middle class may drink oj from concentrate, which tastes awful.

    I like to juice a mix of blood oranges and tangerines, with a result that is even better than fresh squeezed Valencia, and is pretty too. Sometimes I’ll toss in a red grapefruit too or even a lime.

    Pillow

    March 1, 2013 at EDT am

  11. Come to think of it, I don’t think I saw too many people drink grape juice at my ivy league school. I’m guessing it’s the fact that grape juice is sooooo sweet that makes it somewhat prole.

    AsianDude

    March 1, 2013 at EDT am

  12. Diet Coke is probably closer to classless. Some of my profs at Harvard really guzzled it. Some cheap people will save 8 cents a can going generic, and blue collar men and Mexicans seem to prefer regular coke.

    Coke does a good job keeping its wealthy clientele. You’d think by now that they might have switched to fancy sodas like Hansen’s, which is the only brand sold in small high end groceries, but most wealthy people drink coke products.

    Finally, prole children will often go an entire day without drinking pure water. I did in a middle class family with prole eating habits.

    Pillow

    March 1, 2013 at EDT am

  13. Proles drink diluted overly sweetened orange drinks such as Sunny D and Tang. Higher class people drink freshly squeezed organic orange juice with lots of pulp that cost 5 bucks per 16 oz or more.

    bobo

    March 1, 2013 at EDT am

  14. I think the bottled water as a status symbol has died out; it’s simply too ubiquitous. The bottled water drunk these days is often of a generic brand and the consumption feels like a purely utilitarian consideration– cost vs. benefit. Same thing with Starbucks. Few drink it to be cool.

    A few years ago there was a Bobo-ish fad to be environmentally friendly and drink water out of reusable Nalgene bottles.

    anon

    March 1, 2013 at EDT am

  15. Packaged orange juice is no better than soda. The only way orange juice is not prole is when it’s in a mimosa.

    S_McCoy The Winged Lion of Breakfast

    March 1, 2013 at EDT am

  16. Nonrefrigerated juice blends such as cranberry juice cocktail and fruit punch are also relatively prole. Regardless of ostensible flavor they’re mostly apple and grape juices, as those are the cheapest juices.

    Peter

    March 1, 2013 at EDT am

  17. It never fails that when the issue is about food, restaurants, or cuisine, that the food snobs come out in droves. Orange juice is class-less. While having breakfast at the Seasons restaurant in Georgetown http://www.fourseasons.com/washington/dining/restaurants/seasons/breakfast/ now only was orange juice prominent but the refills were complimentary.

    superdestroyer

    March 1, 2013 at EDT am

  18. When I went low carb I was totally shocked to discover how much sugar is in OJ. It is not greatly different from soda. I think beforehand I hadn’t paid much attention to it, because OJ was supposedly “good for you”. But once I saw the truth, I stopped drinking it.

    Tarl

    March 1, 2013 at EDT am

    • Fruits, and fruit juices, are some of the most nutrient dense foods on the planet. If you stop eating and drinking them you lose antioxidants to counter the free radical effect of low carb foods like meat.

      islandmommy

      March 1, 2013 at EDT am

      • I do eat fruit – every day!

        I just don’t drink orange juice.

        Tarl

        March 1, 2013 at EDT pm

    • There’s is some controversy about how healthy or ‘Paleo’ juicing is.

      bobo

      March 1, 2013 at EDT am

    • I had a similar realization not too long ago. It’s like a sugar bomb. I think OJ and soda are well on their way out among the upper classes.

      Bottled water is not very green (takes energy to produce and transport it), so watch for elites bragging about having their own private reservoirs or something like that soon.

      chucho

      March 1, 2013 at EDT am

    • It’s no different than drinking coke as far as the sugar. When I found that out I stopped drinking fruit juice altogether. Think about how many oranges or apples it take to make one glass, compared to just eating one piece of fruit- you’re not going to sit there and eat 4 oranges at once.

      Donny

      March 1, 2013 at EDT am

    • Indeed. (Not to mention that oranges are full of OJ as well.)

      ntk

      March 1, 2013 at EDT pm

  19. Milk. People of any class may drink milk.

    Him Again

    March 1, 2013 at EDT am

  20. A few people before me already implied it, but very generally, the more sugary, the more prole. Proles love their drinks sweet, one of the reasons soda is so popular. And they don’t seem to like water for some reason. This was one of the running jokes in the satire “Idiocracy”.

    markus

    March 1, 2013 at EDT am

  21. Where does tomato juice stand? I like it, but I think it’s a bit out there, and thus not prole.

    How about tea vs. coffee? Coffee can be prole (Dunkin Donuts) or classy (some hipster joint), but can tea be prole? I think the association of tea with the UK, which is rightly or wrongly associated with class here in the US, makes it a non-prole drink.

    Actually, you should start a side blog or something called: Is it Prole?

    ASF

    March 1, 2013 at EDT am

    • Tea doesn’t seem to have much of a class image. Whatever benefits it might have derived from being associated with Britain are long gone. What tea does have is a more female-oriented image than coffee.

      One partial exception to tea’s lack of a class image involved bottled iced teas such as Snapple, which seem at least moderately prole. It’s only a partial exception not merely because the association is a weak one, but also because many varieties of Snapple and similar beverages don’t contain tea.

      Peter

      ironrailsironweights

      March 1, 2013 at EDT pm

    • Iced tea is fairly prole, especially if its sweetened.

      Anonymous

      March 6, 2013 at EDT pm

  22. Grape Juice is undeniably ghetto. Notorious B.I.G. raps about it, going on about eating “t-bone steak, cheese, eggs, and Welch’s grape” (Meals like that explain how he got to be so fat)

    el supremo

    March 1, 2013 at EDT pm

  23. On the other hand, Perrier sounds much more classy than Seltzer.

    WRB

    March 1, 2013 at EDT pm

  24. Lion needs to get away from posting food/beverage and class. We’ve been through this before, and food is hard to define with class. Plenty of upper middle class idiots drinking coca cola and eating at the food chains like their downtrodden brethen.

    Just Speculating

    March 1, 2013 at EDT pm

    • Upper middle class climbers? Yes. Top out of sight? Nope.

      Allerious

      March 1, 2013 at EDT pm

      • Seriously? How do you know that Warren Buffet doesn’t like Coke? You do know he practically owns the company? I think he might like a coke now and then?

        Aren’t the ‘in sight’ rich more important than the ones we dont know anything about? I see George Lucas drink coffee like crazy in BTS stuff from Star Wars prequels. He’s not out of sight but just sold his film company for $5 billion. For some reason though a Rockefeller is more interesting.

        Karl

        March 1, 2013 at EDT pm

      • Mayor Bloomberg has confessed to a cheez-it addiction.

        islandmommy

        March 2, 2013 at EDT am

    • Karl, my comment pertained to the remark about dining at chain restaurants. One thing that emerges about the upper classes with the passage of time is that they tend to have a few prole vices sprinkled here and there. Yes, I’m sure some of them drink Coke.

      Moreover, perhaps others will disagree but based on my knowledge of him I’d say Buffet is upper class at best, or upper-middle if you’re being really stringent and applying the standards of the generation into which he was born. Strike one: He’s from the heartland rather than New England or the Old South. Strike two: His wealth was largely acquired in his lifetime by him, rather than by his ancestors before he was born.

      “Aren’t the ‘in sight’ rich more important than the ones we dont know anything about?”

      Absolutely not, from the perspective of class. The “in sight rich” includes people like successful “gangsta rappers”, Britney Spears and Charlie Sheen.

      “I see George Lucas drink coffee like crazy in BTS stuff from Star Wars prequels. He’s not out of sight but just sold his film company for $5 billion. For some reason though a Rockefeller is more interesting.”

      Some would say Lucas is more interesting due to his ever-growing goiter. However, Rockefeller is certainly much higher up the class totem pole, regardless of how many billions Lucas makes. Remember: it’s not just about how much you make in your lifetime, it’s about how much your daddy made and his daddy before that.

      Allerious

      March 4, 2013 at EDT am

  25. Anyone in NYC who’s a pizza snob and have eaten artisan pizza, which is a common staple among many upper middle class folks here in the city, will tell you that pizza made by working class Italian Americans is the real deal, it costs less and tastes better.

    Just Speculating

    March 1, 2013 at EDT pm

  26. Rather than ‘classless’, why not use the term ‘egalitarian’? Seems more neutral.
    Another egalitarian beverage would seem to be milk. It may not be drunk much at restaurants, but everyone has it in their fridge.

    Half Canadian

    March 1, 2013 at EDT pm

    • Given the popularity of veganism among SWPL’s, I highly doubt that’s true these days. Maybe if you extend the definition to abominations like soy or almond milk…

      Allerious

      March 1, 2013 at EDT pm

  27. Instead of “classless”, which to me indicates that something is the lowest class, I would suggest a word such as “class-free” to describe something that somehow transcends class.

    I cannot bring myself to drink juice. It is simply too sweet for me.

    “but can tea be prole?”

    Yes. Drinking Lipton tea would be prole.

    “If you stop eating and drinking them you lose antioxidants to counter the free radical effect of low carb foods like meat”

    Yeah, the research did not end up bearing out the antioxidant hype of the 1990s. You may have notice that manufacturers don’t tout antioxidant benefits that much anymore. Did you know that white blood cells fight infection and pathogens by squirting free radicals at them?

    Tanizaki

    March 1, 2013 at EDT pm

    • Lipton: “the table wine of the South”, as Florence King, I believe, once called it.

      Lipton is good stuff, mind you.

      Lucius Somesuch

      March 1, 2013 at EDT pm

    • Lipton isn’t prole, it is merely non-bobo. True middle class people (like the wives of scientists) drink Lipton. One thing that annoys me about the comments on this blog is that people seem to forget that the middle class, the real middle class, exists. The world is not just prole and bobo. Prole taste is loud and offensive. Bobos are obsessed with taste to the point where it becomes fashion to them. They can’t really enjoy life because they have to stay current. Middle class taste is basically a time-tested version of bobo taste. It is classic.

      In order for a food to be prole it has to be blatantly artificial but in a way that it serves as a replacement food. So Sunny-D and Yoohoo. Soda also qualifies when used as a replacement for juice (which is most of the time). Ghetto kids actually call it juice. So when they say “grape juice” you have no idea whether they are talking about soda or juice.

      T

      March 1, 2013 at EDT pm

      • Lipton is usually drunk by lower middle class individuals. Upper middle class who know better, drink fine gourmet teas. What’s the difference? It’s all about finesse. Compare Philadephia cream cheese vs Mascarpone and you’ll know what I’m talking about.

        Anyone who doesn’t know what Mascarpone is, just look it up. It’s expensive to say the least.

        Just Speculating

        March 2, 2013 at EDT pm

  28. I recommend Minute Maid “Country Style” frozen orange juice. It must be Country Style; regular Minute Maid frozen orange juice doesn’t cut it. According to the label it contains orange juice and orange pulp, with no added sweetners or preservatives. It tastes just like freshly squeezed orange juice.

    Mike Eisenstadt

    March 1, 2013 at EDT pm

  29. What about apple juice, too? I have trouble seeing that as class-specific.

    Samson J.

    March 1, 2013 at EDT pm

    • Are we talking Simply Apple or Motts? In reality food is not that class specific. I do my grocery shopping in Georgetown (an incredibly elite neighborhood) and the store has a nut bar, a sushi bar, a large wine section, six cheese sections, etc… but it also sells a bunch of stuff like cheese-flavored junk.

      T

      March 1, 2013 at EDT pm

  30. I looked at the orange juice section in Whole Foods today. It appears that it is OK to mix orange juice with other juices such as pineapple and elites will drink it. There was a multitude of forms and brands. But I found very little apple or grape juice in the cooler at Whole Foods.

    superdestroyer

    March 1, 2013 at EDT pm

    • Apple and grape juice do not need to be refrigerated, so it’s unlikely you’d find either in the cooler section. Although given their generally downscale images Whole Foods probably does not carry much of either.

      Peter

      ironrailsironweights

      March 2, 2013 at EDT pm

  31. Orange juice is really just soda with some vitamins and other nutrients thrown in. If you do’t believe me look at the nutrition facts label and see how much sugar it has.

    Joe Walker

    March 1, 2013 at EDT pm

    • OJ has about the same amount of sugar as human breastmilk, which has about 50% more sugar than cow’s milk and less than half the protein. Human breastmilk tastes like sugar water. If sweet things are so bad for us, why is the first food of humans so sweet?

      That being said the food industry does some strange things to orange juice on its way to the shelves. I’m pretty sure some brands have concentrated (and I don’t mean “from concentrate” — just that they have some of the water content removed) the product in order to make it sweeter. Even with good oranges, raw, fresh OJ is not nearly as sweet as some of the “100% OJ” I’ve tasted from cartons.

      islandmommy

      March 2, 2013 at EDT am

  32. Welch’s White Grape Peach. Prole or not, it’s awesome.

    steve

    March 1, 2013 at EDT pm

  33. I’m surprised that Lion didn’t mention Sunny D in this post (but four other commenters did). I’m pretty sure Lion has specifically mentioned the connection between proles and Sunny Delight in, ahem, other parts of the internet.

    Matty

    March 2, 2013 at EDT am

  34. Wow, touchy subject, here.

    “He actually thinks bottled water comes from a mountain because the label has a picture of one.”

    Nope, I live in Europe, where our bottled water (Evian, Vichy, Volvic, etc.) actually comes from mountain or volcano sources. Perhaps it is different in the USA. But you can buy European bottled water, can’t you?

    “Get your facts straight before spouting off about “cranks,” son.”

    The use of BPA has been forbidden by the European Commission, don’t know about the USA. Most likely the same.

    Also, the problem of leeching is restricted strictly to BPA. It has nothing to do, whatsoever, with plastic and other refined hydrocarbons.

    I am not your son. But you are certainly a crank and a health nut. You also peel your fruits like a maniac before eating them, don’t you? 🙂

    Thomas

    March 2, 2013 at EDT am

    • I forgot this gem:

      ““Mineral Water” really has no other meaning than that the water has some impurities in it.”

      Impurities? Seriously? You think that calcium or sodium chloride are “impurities”? You would die without them…

      The health crankery in the USA is reaching incredible heights of paranoia. The government should intervene against it by propaganda campaigns and information in school.

      Thomas

      March 2, 2013 at EDT am

  35. Buy a water purifier, like Brita.

    Oraklet

    March 2, 2013 at EDT pm

    • No. It was recently acquired by the Chlorox corporation. I wouldn’t trust the Chinese and cheaply manufactured filters. If it’s sold at walmart, it most likely sucks. I prefer Mavea water filters, which was launched by former Brita CEO, Markus Hankhammer.

      bobo

      March 4, 2013 at EDT am

  36. Black coffee. No judgment is inferred from the enjoyment of straight, drip coffee.

    I’ve seen older men, particularly, throughout the class spectrum take their coffee black.

    Karl

    March 2, 2013 at EDT pm

    • I have met a number of men in their 30s or early 40s in the business world who don’t like coffee and drink diet Coke for breakfast. These people generally came up from prole or lower middle class backgrounds. Black coffee was probably mostly a prole to middle class drink a few generations back when male workers needed heavy stimulants to be productive (the upper classes drank tea or booze). I think coffee has moved upscale and younger proles have developed a nasty sweet tooth compared to 2 or 3 generations ago.

      Peter the Shark

      March 3, 2013 at EDT am

      • Coffee in America has pretty much morphed into commercialized junk. If it isn’t Starbucks, it’s some other national chain serving up subpar murky liquid laden with cream/milk/sugar for an arm and a leg. $5 for a cup of latte. No thanks!

        Just Speculating

        March 3, 2013 at EDT pm


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