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Big score for pro-immigration elite

Some commenters have recently expressed the opinion that momentum may have been turning against the immigration “reform” bill (really amnesty for illegals plus MORE immigration).

But the pro-immigration elites pulled a rabbit out of their pocket. It turns out that Jason Richwine, one of the co-authors of the Heritage study I blogged about earlier this week, is racist.

As the NY Times article states:

“Immigrants living in the U.S. today do not have the same level of cognitive ability as natives,” wrote Dr. Richwine, who is a senior policy analyst at Heritage. “No one knows whether Hispanics will ever reach I.Q. parity with whites, but the prediction that new Hispanic immigrants will have low-I.Q. children and grandchildren is difficult to argue against.”

Richwine was right about the last clause; the NY Times doesn’t even bother to argue against the prediction. The NY Times doesn’t have to, because now that it is demonstrated that Richwine is racist, House Republicans will have to vote in favor of the immigration bill to prove that they are not racist.

I predicted immediately after Mitt Romney lost the election in November that there would be a collapse of Republican opposition to immigration:

I predict that Republicans will cling bitterly (to borrow from Obama) to their main positions of anti-abortion and tax cuts for the rich, which will prevent them from making any significant inroads among whites. Republicans will probably move left on two issues that they were always ambivalent about anyway: immigration and climate change. The climate change stuff will do some minor harm to the economy, but going soft on immigration will be catastrophic for Republicans by creating more Hispanic voters who will vote Democratic.

Also, I predict that Republicans will champion Marco Rubio as their next candidate.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

May 9, 2013 at 5:45 pm

Posted in Biology, Immigration

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  1. I don’t think the “r” word has the sting it used to have.


    May 9, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    • How so? No one, aside from the usual suspects (Sailer etc.), seems to have come to Richwine’s defense. Looking at the comments sections of articles discussing Richwine’s thought crimes, I’m startled at how genuinely shocked people are at Richwine’s arguments, as if he had mental rabies and had to be quarantined. For lots of people, any claim that has “racist” implications is ipso facto false, and need not be engaged.


      May 9, 2013 at 6:18 pm

  2. RIP AMerica.


    May 9, 2013 at 5:51 pm

  3. Any chance the publicity given this story could be self-defeating? I assume (hope) that there are large numbers of people who would read this and think to themselves quietly that Richwine is obviously right.


    May 9, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    • The problem is–and I’m sure I’m not telling you something you don’t know–the Left owns the public space on this particular subject and the penalty for saying anything remotely controversial—true or no–is career death. Thus, you will have high-profile people who could speak in this guy’s defense who know better–Steven Pinker, e.g.–will remain silent because the professional and social penalty is too severe.

      John Smith

      May 10, 2013 at 12:17 pm

  4. If the Republicans can convince Hispanics to vote Republican, the Democrats will begin mass deportations.

    Blog Raju

    May 9, 2013 at 6:12 pm

  5. 25 years as a republican for this, fuck you ‘murrica, im done


    May 9, 2013 at 6:47 pm

  6. I’m not so sure there, Lion. The NY Times and other critics are taking a risk in taking the Gul Madred tack on Richwine. What if, right now, Richwine is quietly gathering the signatures of dozens of respected, tenured professors on a letter to the editor of the Times, informing them that his thesis was supported by social science evidence, and that the attacks on him are politically-motivated and Orwellian?

    Dave Pinsen

    May 9, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    • Are you serious? Why would any professor want to hurt their reputation by endorsing the arguments of the “racist” Richwine? There are few greater fears among academics than being accused of racism.

      But it would be interesting if the media started explicitly attacking the members of his dissertation committee, the leftist Christopher Jencks in particular, so that they would have to defend themselves.


      May 9, 2013 at 8:21 pm

  7. I seriously doubt that the people who flooded Congress with phone calls and e-mails last time amnesty was brought up read the NY Times or even know the Heritage Foundation exists. People just knew that John McCain and Ted Kennedy were up to no good, and they didn’t like it. The NYT doing a story on what some think-tank guy wrote excites political junkies, but that’s about it.

    Slightly OT, my wife works for a school district in an affluent area in south Orange County. The OC has long had a reputation as a right-wing stronghold, but it’s really not anymore. In fact, I’d say it’s full of hand-wringing, do-gooding, bed-wetting liberals judging from all the “Coexist” and Obama-Biden bumper stickers I see around here. But get those people into a school board meeting, and they will harp endlessly about how class sizes need to be smaller (translation: “there are too many Mexican kids in my child’s school and they’re taking up all the instruction time”). These people may mouth the appropriate platitudes, and may even be fond of their illegal nanny or gardener, but don’t kid yourself, these people do not want immigration reform.

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    May 9, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    • Only people too poor to afford quality private schools care about the impact on the public schools.

      • Only people too poor to afford quality private schools care about the impact on the public schools.

        The people complaining about too many Mexicans are upper middle class Californians.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        May 9, 2013 at 9:39 pm

      • If you’re a homeowner, even in an affluent suburb like Irvine or other south county cities you sure as hell care about the impact on public schools. The value of your home tracks very closely with the public schools’ API, regardless of whether you have your own kids in private school or not.

        Sgt. Joe Friday

        May 9, 2013 at 10:03 pm

  8. Considering that “hispanic” is a meaningless term that includes different types of whites (from nordic to mediterraneans), blacks, native-americans and mixed-race people from all those three, I can’t really take seriously anything that Richwine writes or anyone that just say that “hispanics have lower IQ”.


    May 9, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    • But the study does focus on a particular subset of “hispanics,” those who have immigrated to the US. In that respect, the sample is not an amorphous mass.


      May 9, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    • Hispanic is a stupid term but Hispanic americans still exist and have group averages and their average IQ is lower than the average american white.


      May 9, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    • I can’t really take seriously anything that Richwine writes or anyone that just say that “hispanics have lower IQ”.

      Oh, come on. He was obviously referring to Mestizos and Amerindians, not ethnically German Southern Brazilians.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      May 9, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    • Richwine addresses the definition of Hispanic on p. 60 of the PDF.

      Dave Pinsen

      May 9, 2013 at 10:26 pm

  9. Reading the comments to Charles Blow’s column are incredible. People just can’t understand how Harvard could have allowed his evil dissertation. Daily Kos compares it to eugenics. It all sounds like the kinds of things that were apparently said when Jensen wrote his 1969 article or when the Bell Curve came out.

    Some trot out Lewontin Fallacy. Others say IQ tests are culturally biased. It gets tiring trying to point out these people are wrong, but I guess it’s the duty of people familiar with the evidence to do so.

    I’ve been pointing some to evidence on group differences being partially genetic and the importance of cognitive ability for macro-economic outcomes.


    May 9, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    • Some trot out Lewontin Fallacy.

      They obviously are blissfully unaware that the scientific community has (very quietly) given up on Blank Slatism behind the scenes if they’re still clinging to the Lewontin Fallacy which was been debunked decades ago but is still the only remotely plausible scientific argument against different races having different mental capacities.

      Screw with their heads and tell them that liberal saint, Richard Dawkins, said Lewontin’s fallacy is false.

      It gets tiring trying to point out these people are wrong, but I guess it’s the duty of people familiar with the evidence to do so.

      Ask them why if the races have different average physical differences, why wouldn’t they also have different average mental traits since the brain.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      May 9, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    • Btw, the Lewontin Fallacy doesn’t even answer the hereditarian question of why there would be no average mental differences across races if the races also have different average physcial traits.

      The Lewontin fallacy only deals with variance, but variances irrelevant to the black white IQ gap debate because the gap is referring to AVERAGE traits, not the variance.

      And FYI, American blacks also have one of the lowest IQ STDEVs of any race. The American black IQ STDEV is 13 compared to a 16.7 STDEV for whites.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      May 9, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    • There is one case you should consider. The case of the Afrikaner British S. African IQ difference. IQ tests are culturally biased just not in the way you assume they would be. This difference has gone from 10 pts in the 50s to 0 today. QED.

      There is also the case of the native Japanese Korean Japanese gap and the untouchable Japanese Japanese distinction (which is erased when these untouchables immigrated to the US) QED. Again.

      The LOB and Lewontin types both have their heads in the sand.

      Nicolai Yezhov

      May 9, 2013 at 10:08 pm

      • I think Jason Malloy found the data on the Ainu was pretty sketchy. I hadn’t heard of the Afrikaner British case, will check it out.


        May 9, 2013 at 11:35 pm

      • But there are also IQ gaps that have not closed. And even if you can determine that a gap is cultural that does not mean there is a solution because we’re no better at altering a group’s culture than we are their genetics. We’re probably closer to being able to reliably change people’s genetics than we are to changing their culture.

        And as Steve Sailer says, yes, IQ tests are culturally biased, even ones like maven progressive matrices, but so are the measures that no one disputes as worthy goals such as low criminality and academic success. And IQ tests are generally biased in the same ways as those other measures.


        May 10, 2013 at 12:50 am

      • The 1950 Morkel test of S. Africans shows a 1.8 pt. gap between British and Afrikaans not a 10 pt. gap. See page 15.


        May 10, 2013 at 1:11 am

      • I’ll read Morkel.

        It does depend on the IQ test.

        Anyway, the black-white gap is partly innate or determined at conception, I have no doubt, but the response is not…ha! I know something you don’t know, the response is eugenics.

        My mother was the tester at her company. I was hired, was given the Wunderlich. The VP of operations said I’d made the highest score in the history of the company. Maybe. Then there was a light-skinned black guy, mechanical engineer, and Navy Seal who bested me. There is a “distribution”, especially for “blacks” who have one white parent and have always lived among whites. This guy was a very good hire. He now heads up government sales, and before that ran the website.

        Believe it or not!

        Nicolai Yezhov

        May 10, 2013 at 10:01 pm

      • The notion that Koreans in Japan have a lower IQ than Japanese natives dates from an article by the psychologist Robert Sternberg, who, in the very same source, admits that he has no empirical evidence for the IQ gap whatsoever! This factoid has been repeated uncritically by hundreds of psychology textbooks ever since. Too bad there isn’t a shred of evidence for it.

        Neither is there any evidence that Afrikaners score 15 points lower than Anglo-Saxons in South Africa, or that Catholics score lower than Protestants in Ireland. The sociologist John Ogbu cited anecdotal evidence that there may be some convergence of the IQ gap between burakumin and ordinary Japanese among American immigrants. But once again — there is no empirical evidence. (As for Japan, Peter Frost seems to think the gap is a reflection of different selection pressures on burakumin and other Japanese since the Heian period.)


        May 13, 2013 at 1:29 am

      • Afrikaners also have a non-negligible degree of Khoi and Bantu ancestry. Actual estimates of racial admixture may very, but it is something worth keeping in mind.


        May 13, 2013 at 1:32 am

  10. Michelle Malkin defends Richwine. She is worth a hundred pseudonymous alt-right bloggers.

    Dave Pinsen

    May 9, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    • Let the leftwing campaign to kill her for good begin. The first effort will begin at mediamatters (for America! lol) and Fox News will be forced to defend her or discard her. No mainstream pundit can make any assertion about IQ other than that all groups are the same and why are you even talking about this, you racist!

      John Smith

      May 10, 2013 at 12:59 pm

  11. Let’s not get away from the real issue. This STILL does not pass unless the House passes it. And they CAN’T without millions of us staying home in 2014, and John Boehner losing his job. If we make sure they know that, that is.


    May 9, 2013 at 9:12 pm

  12. “No one knows whether Hispanics will ever reach I.Q. parity with whites, but the prediction that new Hispanic immigrants will have low-I.Q. children and grandchildren is difficult to argue against.”

    Hispanics are racially incompatible with Western civilization because because their evolved characteristics of high criminality, low future time orientation, low civic mindedness and low intelligence, among many other psychological traits are not compatible with the characteristics of first world civilization.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    May 9, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    • I would prefer if you could be less mean-spirited in your pronouncements in the future. Thank you.

      • But everything he said was true, relative to whites:
        – high criminality
        – low future time orientation
        – low civic mindedness
        – low intelligence


        May 10, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    • See, this is the reason why we can’t have an honest discussion about racial differences. Because there will always be people like you who act like complete assholes instead of dispassionately stating only what can be justified by available evidence.


      May 10, 2013 at 1:59 am

      • Tough to have a civil discussion about topics like these pseudonymously. The illusion of anonymity brings out the worst in many people .

        Dave Pinsen

        May 10, 2013 at 9:09 am

      • Unless TUJ said something that Lion edited what’s the big deal?

        Sorry John but your SWPL approach to race won’t work either.


        May 10, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    • TUJ is correct on many of his points. Our country is broken due to a host of reasons, and our insane immigration policy is one of them.

      In my opinion, Mestizos aren’t nearly as bad as Blacks or Mulatto Hispanics, but this is not an argument in favor of them. We just need more White immigrants, and also a vibrant White middle class which would uplift all the other groups. Asians make poor leaders and trendsetters, and non-Asian minorities are incapable of helping themselves, thus their large numbers are a burden to society.

      Obviously Bobos are exceedingly selfish. The use of their divide and conquer tactics to hoard everything desirable for themselves, as they see civilization fold from their fortified moats.

      Just look at the stark underrepresentation of middle class Whites in the underpaid STEM fields, and the stark overrepresentation of middle class Whites trying to enter the overpaid Bobo fields with their doors shut, which is causing all the grief and anxiety. It’s one good example how the elites have lied, deceived and destabilized a society.

      Just Speculating

      May 10, 2013 at 11:33 am

      • Another reason why Asians do not make good leaders:

        A study has proven that Tiger parenting, typical of Asian upbringing has been a failure. No surprise there as Asians are generally socially stunted, controlling and spiteful of Whites who tend to be more easygoing.

        Just Speculating

        May 10, 2013 at 12:43 pm

      • As I pointed out before, Tiger Moms value test scores and violin-playing, while the white upper class values socializing and sports.

      • As I pointed out before, Tiger Moms value test scores and violin-playing, while the white upper class values socializing and sports.

        The latter two sports signal if an applicant is likely to grow up to be elite, which is what HYP+Stanford are really concerned about. Learning and knowledge is irrelevant to the application process.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        May 10, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    • Most hispanics (as well as most latinos) are white or predominately white, and their culture is part of Western civilization (if you consider Western civilization= Roman-Greek-Jewish-Christian culture). You could say that they (or we, because I’m latino, but not hispanic) we are not compatible with Anglo-Saxon-American-British culture, but not that we are not compatible with Western civilization.

      If you know anything about Italy (the most Western of all Western countries) politics and economy you’d know that they have all the vices and problems that plague Latin-American (and South European) countries. And, by the way, in Spanish and Portuguese, both Italy and France are considered “latino” countries too.

      I do agree with you that most of them, including people in my country, have low future time orientation and, I would add, a tendency to love authoritarian governments. But I can assure you that that includes all the white hispanics and latinos (including the descendants of germans polish, and others non-mediterranean whites), so I’m very skeptic of this assertion that all of this caused by low IQ, because they are not white, and non whites have low IQ.

      Maybe is the other way around, and the culture creates low IQ? Or maybe a mix of both?


      May 11, 2013 at 2:06 am

      • “Most hispanics (as well as most latinos) are white or predominately white”

        This may be true, but the poorest parts of Central America are less white and more mestizo or Native American. That’s where we get immigration from.


        May 11, 2013 at 12:14 pm

      • You shouldn’t get lost in the semantics of ‘Hispanic’ on this one, although you make some valid points. The study in question lacks semantic clarity for those that read the abstract only. However, it nevertheless specifically refers to Mestizos, Mulattoes, and even pure Indians who come from a country that was conquered by the Spaniards or Portuguese.

        I’d challenge you as to whether or not Hispanics of relatively pure German ancestry have low future time orientation, but I’m open to reviewing the evidence even if it’s anecdotal. As a genetic half German raised by Germans on both sides of my family in America, I can indeed state with some certainty that German culture and habits have at least some basis in genetically rooted cognitive and emotional function. And future time orientation is generally regulated through a cognitive/emotional state and not a cultural one, from what I understand and have observed.

        Most Hispanics in North America are not white nor predominantly white. They are predominantly Mestizo and Mulatto. The only Hispanics that other whites would consider a part of their group are light skinned Spaniards of non-Mestizo and non-Mulatto ancestry, and broader group acceptance is everything when identifying individuals. Individuals do not get to decide what ethnic group will accept them as one of their own. Traditionally, people of pure European Spanish ancestry, unless obviously unmixed, would not be accepted by broader European society as being white (nor would mixed Italians), even though I laud the Spanish for their contributions to western culture and society. Other aspects of Spanish culture are not so good from the perspective of Northern European standards in my opinion, but that isn’t the topic and I hold that Spain is a unique cultural light in Europe (at least before the multicultural invasion). The fact remains that the indigenous Spaniards were colonized and interbred with North Africans/Arabs long ago, and are a mixed people that cannot qualify as being of pure European (ie: White) descent. The same is true for Italy and Greece, although in the former two countries there tends to be a greater incidence of people who seem to not carry much of the African/Arab gene. Those people tend to reside in the higher classes (but not always). What cannot be ignored is the greater state of social dysfunction and the lesser economic activity that characterizes Spain and, at least in terms of economics, the other two countries.

        I offer that the Spanish would be better off today should they not have been conquered by invaders from the south, and that they have a right to still be quite upset about that. As does Greece and Italy. I’m sure that the process of being interbred was not by choice.


        May 18, 2013 at 2:11 am

  13. Dr Borgas, a labor economist from Harvard, released a report a few weeks ago called Immigration and the American Worker. His report showed no economic benefit to Americans from immigration. Whatever economic growth resulting from immigration is consumed by the immigrants themselves.

    Moreover, the increase in labor supply reduces wages. So immigration is basically a wealth transfer of $400 BILLION per year from employees to corporations. This isn’t just about illegals, either. This is about H1B visas. too. Unless you’re a CEO or a billionaire then part of that $400 Billion comes from your paycheck whether you realize it or not. That’s why big business has spent ~1.5 Trillion lobbying for immigration over the last 5 years. They’ve spent too much money in an all out effort that’s culminating right now. Realize this is a Hail Mary effort by the amnesty coalition. If we can block this pass it won’t win the game — we’ll still have to deal with illegal immigration — but it will end the drive for amnesty. They won’t sink another Billion into this.

    The more recent heritage report The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer shows that amnesty will cost taxpayers $6.3 TRILLION. in new entitlements and social programs.

    The numbers are in and they’re indisputable.

    The pro amnesty coalition has been outed and pwned. So they’re abandoning rational arguments for smears. The only reason they want to make it racial is because they’ve lost the economic argument. Don’t fall for it. Don’t let the corporations and their shills bait you into an argument over race. Stay on point and argue the economic impact on Americans. The impact is simple:

    1) The economic impact of immigration on wages transfers $400 BILLION per year from employees to corporations.

    2) Amnesty will cost taxpayers an additional $6.3 TRILLION in new spending on entitlements and social programs. Amnesty will increase the national debt by more that a third.

    There’s no benefit to America. The only ones benefiting are billionaires.


    May 10, 2013 at 2:43 am

    • And Borjas signed off on Richwine’s PhD thesis. He’s next if the left succeeds in burying Richwine, which is why I think Borjas and others will come to Richwine’s defense.

      Dave Pinsen

      May 10, 2013 at 9:07 am

  14. White Elites WANT colored immigration.
    They NEED colored immigration.

    It’s the ultimate Paper/Rock/Scissors Game for bored scions.

    Illegal mexican fights the black, who fights the real danger: The NRA-type with expensive gear and the braincells to use it.

    The Mob squabbles over Cleveland SEX RAPE Slavegirls while the Uptown Throckmortons celebrate their son’s ritual Harvard acceptance with $604 canapes at Masa.


    May 10, 2013 at 10:51 am

  15. Rush Limbaugh just spent an hour defending Richwine. That’s worth a million insignificant bloggers.


    May 10, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    • Yep.
      BIG influence he held…
      On that little President
      Election Thingy Here


      May 10, 2013 at 3:24 pm

  16. An article from Der Spiegel made me realize there is one sure fire way to close the Hispanic-white IQ gap – use IVF technology to “whiten” the Hispanic population to become more genetically Spaniard.

    In addition to whites only immigration and paying legal immigrants $100,000 to leave, we could financially subsidize and encourage the whiter end of the Mestizo Hispanic population, say those over ~70% white or so, to be sterilized and then use a Spanish (or other European) egg and sperm donations to have fully white children instead of using their own genetic material. Or, if they are in a mixed race relationship with a white American, they would be paid to use either a white egg or sperm donor to produce a fully white child.

    Latin American governments will probably use IVF extensively to “whiten” their own Mestizo population when more gene sequencing evidence for IQ racial differences start rolling in. If Latin America is going to do this then there’s no reason why the US couldn’t use IVF to “whiten” our Mestizo population also.

    The advantages of using IVF to whiten the Hispanic population would be a smarter, better looking, more European workforce would be in the pipeline, their children would face no genetic barriers from assimilating into American culture, it would be less morally objectionable than other race realist methods for dealing with the white-Hispanic racial differences, the white-Hispanic IQ gap would disappear, it would be much less expensive than current social intervention policies to eliminate racial differences, and this will prevent native white characteristics from being diluted through intermarriage.

    However, the less genetically white mestizos and Amerindians should just be paid to leave the country completely because their IQs are so low and criminality so high that it’s not worth the reduction in white standards of living to wait generations for IVF to turn their offspring white.

    Spain in Crisis Becomes Fertility Destination

    Even as the economy has tanked, Spain in recent years has become a destination for women and couples seeking to become pregnant through in vitro fertilization. Egg donors are plentiful.

    It was nearly five years ago that Mónica Campos first started using her body to make money. Spain’s construction industry was collapsing and Campos’ husband Eduardo had to give up his business selling used luxury cars as his customer base dried up. Soon, the couple was no longer able to afford their monthly mortgage payment on a house with a garden in Maçanet de la Selva. The bank was threatening to foreclose and Campos could already picture herself on the street, with a four-year-old and an infant.

    “I needed money desperately,” says Campos, 34, who has long, dyed-blonde hair. She worked for a time as a model while still in high school, but as the real-estate crisis hit Spain, she approached a private clinic for reproductive medicine in Granollers, near Barcelona, about becoming an egg donor.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    May 11, 2013 at 9:44 am

    • No one’s going to be paying anyone to leave. The elites are trying to get more people to immigrate here.

    • Do you wanna see a successful “whitening”project? Just go to Argentina, Uruguay and South Of Brazil. The big immigration waves to those regions happened, in part, because the governments wanted to make the population more white though immigration and mixed relationships.

      When you are there you’ll realize that all the problems you blame on the low IQ of non-white still exist there even though the majority of population is white.

      Or maybe you just need to hang out with some people from the Mexican Elite – they tend to be basically Spaniard, and they all have the same problems (more than South Americans I’d say).

      Maybe there is a genetic element in all of these and I think no one should be censored when talking about it. But I think the evidence points much more to culture, religion (Catholicism) and politics (everyone is socialist in Latin America. Even the right).


      May 11, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    • No one’s going to be paying anyone to leave.

      I was speaking hypothetically. Krikorian speaks about what ideal immigration policies should be regardless of political circumstances.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      May 11, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    • Your IVF scenario is not only stupid, but completely unworkable. Yeah, I’m sure Juanita and Marisel would consent to hundreds of hours of genetic counseling and fertility treatments, in lieu of a night of drunken passion with Julio underneath the high school bleachers. (But hey, aren’t these the same people who have low IQs and poor future time orientations?)

      Also, just where exactly do you intend to deport these hapless, “racially inferior” exiles? The moon? Little Diomede? The Antarctic science observatory? (I suggest Israel, because Israel seems to be all about accommodating the unwanted refuse of Western civilization. But I kid.)

      You don’t need exogenous DNA, either. If it were possible for someone with a 70 IQ to have a thousand children, sheer statistical odds would ensure that more than a few of them would have above-average IQs. Pending upcoming discoveries in quantitative genetics, we could predict these outcomes in advance, so that only a few these embryos would ever need to be implanted. You could arrange similar outcomes for any phenotype, or combination of phenotypes you desire — looks, height, sexual prowess, extraversion, etc. And in case we discover any rare alleles of large effect, we could work additional wonders with nuclear gene transfer. In the end, who gives a damn about race?

      Please note that if your username truly reflects your actual ancestry, you and people like you would be the first to hang from the rafters, mutilated and tortured, in the wake of any “racial re-awakening” among American whites. People like Boas and Montagu spent their entire careers trying to forestall such a scenario, and it’s easy to see why.

      And no, this isn’t a threat, because these cretins would also consider me to be a “contaminant” to the wider “Aryan” gene pool. It’s merely a reality.


      May 13, 2013 at 1:51 am

  17. Do you wanna see a successful “whitening”project? Just go to Argentina, Uruguay and South Of Brazil. The big immigration waves to those regions happened, in part, because the governments wanted to make the population more white though immigration and mixed relationships.

    I knew they imported immigrants from Europe in the 19th and early 20th century.

    But they didn’t have fertility technology back then. If they did, they would have used IVF as well to produce a more European population. Now that the tech has does exist there’s good reason to believe Latin American governments will use it on a larger scale to whiten their citizenry. And if they’re going to do that then we should too with our Hispanic population in conjunction with emigration payouts.

    IVF is the only way to close the Hispanic-white gap and it would be far cheaper to implement than current, hopeless, social intervention policy.

    Or maybe you just need to hang out with some people from the Mexican Elite – they tend to be basically Spaniard, and they all have the same problems (more than South Americans I’d say).

    I know a number of white Southern Americans and Cubans and they’re fairly indistinguishable from other ethnic white Americans such as Italians, Greeks, and so on.

    Maybe there is a genetic element in all of these and I think no one should be censored when talking about it.

    The cause is genetic and the only technological way to close the white-Hispanic gap is through IVF technology.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    May 12, 2013 at 10:37 am

    • You didn’t get my point “The Undiscovered Jew”.

      What I’m saying is that Argentina, Uruguay and South of Brazil have majority of a white population (they are WAY whiter than New York, San Francisco and other big American cities) but it has all the problems that the HBD crowd blames on the low IQ of non-whites. So the problem cannot be genetic as you guys imply, because those countries did, indeed, “whitened” their population and they still have all those problems.

      In my experience a 100% white person raised in a “latin-mediterranean” culture (that includes Southern Europe) will have all the problems you guys blame on genetics, while a guy from another race raised in a anglo-saxon country will act as you guys think a “white” (which actually means anglo-saxon white) should act.

      The problem is that the US is basically a segregated country, black americans have their own culture and don’t really mix with white, and the same is happening with other minorities. So they never really get assimilated by American culture.

      As for your theory of Latin American countries starting whitening programs again…you’re just delirious.


      May 12, 2013 at 6:07 pm

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