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What is going on in Turkey?

As far as I can tell, the Turkish bobo class is protesting against the prole Islamist government, which makes this the opposite of the so-called “Arab Spring” protests.

Unlike in the United States where there is close to 100% overlap between bobo and affluent, it appears that in Turkey there are a lot of affluent prole-nouveau-riche types who support Erdogan.

The best thing that could happen to Turkey is if the army stages a coup, but it’s probably too late for that because Erdogan has replaced the secular Kemalist army leadership with Islamists.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

June 3, 2013 at 9:08 am

Posted in International

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  1. Reblogged this on oogenhand and commented:
    Don’t overlook the Grey Wolves. This “Nazi”-organization is more secular than Erdogan. Don’t overlook people outside Turkey helping the Grey Wolves. Don’t overlook asymmetric warfare. Given the “Nazi”-label, they might be accomodating to euthanasia.

    oogenhand

    June 3, 2013 at 9:16 am

  2. “Unlike in the United States where there is close to 100% overlap between bobo and affluent”

    You have been deluded by your Manhattan location. There are plenty of affluent people in the United States who are not bobo, but they don’t live in Manhattan, of all places. Think small business owners, doctors, landlords, etc.

    AsianDude

    June 3, 2013 at 9:43 am

    • Agree completely.

      Tarl

      June 3, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    • Yes, a lot of the Tea Party support comes from affluent non-Bobo types.

      Peter the Shark

      June 3, 2013 at 5:30 pm

  3. “it appears that in Turkey there are a lot of affluent prole-nouveau-riche types who support Erdogan.”

    I’m not familiar with Turkish politics, but it wouldn’t surprise me if many of Erdogan’s affluent supporters are supporting him because the alternative is worse. You have to consider the available options before judging the choice made.

    John

    June 3, 2013 at 10:51 am

  4. As far as I can tell, the Turkish bobo class is protesting against the prole Islamist government, which makes this the opposite of the so-called “Arab Spring” protests.

    This is why Muslim countries should be ruled by military dictators amenable to foreign aid (Cough ins *Bribes* Cough) instead of being democracies: The prole Muslim electorate is crazier than the dictators. If the Muslim proles vote, they will vote for a real hardass Muslim terrorist party.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    June 3, 2013 at 7:16 pm

  5. I think the Lion needs to give us a glossary. How exactly do you define Top-out-of-sight, bobo, and of course prole?

    FWG

    June 3, 2013 at 8:08 pm

  6. The Tahrir Square protests in Cairo STARTED as a movement of the educated and secular. (Remember they originally organized through internet social media and had plenty of English speakers to give interviews to Western journalists.)

    It was after they were successful that their movement was swamped by Islamo-proles, as one might expect in a country in which 75% of women are genitally mutilated.

    WmarkW

    June 3, 2013 at 8:56 pm

  7. All the protests in Thailand also involved the urban service-economy populations against the governments that keep getting elected by the rural majority.

    Urban Thais are ethnically distinct from rural ones. The overall Chinese admixture in Thailand is around 20%, but in the cities the average is about 40%, in rural areas more like 3%.

    The NYT had a great article about the compromise the non-confrontational Thais arrived at. The wife of the guy the rural population loves is now the de jure leader, while the man himself, with a gigantic budget, rules the government from outside the country to avoid arrest for corruption by the police/prosecutors in urban areas.

    Zoink

    June 3, 2013 at 9:20 pm

  8. In Turkey too you have an ethnic divide between the urban middle class and elite, who have a heavy admixture of Greek, Balkan and Armenian, and the Turkish rural/slum majority.

    The elite and secular Turkish military used to be a check on the religious majority, but it has now been purged of secular generals. Turkey is therefore likely to become more and more a backward Islamic democracy like Iran, Iraq, and Pakistan.

    Zoink

    June 3, 2013 at 9:26 pm


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