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Real Housewives of Orange County

I watched the first DVD from the first season. Which is all I plan to watch. This show sucked compared to Jersey Shore. I highly recommend watching the first season of Jersey Shore.

The show is about five women, but only one of them is actually a housewife.

KIMBERLY

She is the only actual housewife, but her character was so boring that they replaced her in season 2. At least that’s why I assume she was replaced. Her claim to fame is that she brags about her huge artificial breasts, which don’t look very good on her skinny aging body, if you ask me. She likes to spend her husband’s money.

JEANA

Jeana is not a housewife because she has a job as a real estate agent. She’s married to a former Major League baseball player. Her husband doesn’t appear to have any job.

Her oldest son is stupid and lazy, but women find him good looking, and he does look exceptionally mature for an 18-year-old. In the first four episodes, they are trying to find a junior college from him to attend so he can play on their baseball team, because I guess he’s not smart enough for a real college, and he didn’t get enough playing time in high school to qualify for a high round in the draft, and the reason for the lack of playing time was that his grades were too low and he got kicked off the team.

VICKY

Vicky is a very successful life insurance agent, which show you that you don’t have to be very smart to be successful as a life insurance agent. Her husband is unemployed, so she’s the opposite of a housewife. The husband is actually a househusband.

LAURI

She looks very well preserved for a woman with a 20-year-old daughter. It must be the botox. She’s divorced from her former rich husband, who must have had a really great prenuptial agreement because she’s poor and living in a small townhouse and not in the expensive gated community where everyone else in the show lives. And obviously she’s not a housewife because she’s not married.

Her 20-year-old daughter is a loser who’s not attending college and can’t hold down a simple retail job. Her teenage son is locked up in juvenile detention.

Lauri works for Vicky, but Vicky is not happy with Lauri because she’s not selling much insurance.

JO

Jo is a 24-year-old Hispanic woman who is not a housewife because she’s also not married, but she’s engaged to be married to this white guy who’s in his mid thirties and has some kids from his first marrage. Her fiancé has a really obnoxious personality, and is full of himself because he makes a lot of money in some sort of commercial financial sales job. He wants her to be a stay-at-home fiancée for some reason I can’t understand. It’s not like she does a very good job of cooking or cleaning or anything like that.

THE PROLENESS OF IT AND VALUE TRANSFERENCE

These wealthy people are extremely prole, with their lack of any intellectual interests and their children who aren’t college material.

Despite living in this gated community where all the houses sell for more than a million dollars, and some sell for more than three million, no one in the series does any sort of work that could be considered value creation work. They are all work in sales, or they don’t work at all, or they used to be a professional athlete. There’s no one who works in science or engineering or medicine or does anything else that’s constructive for the advancement of society.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

June 30, 2013 at 5:49 PM

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  1. “I watched the first DVD from the first season…”

    Terrific reporting for those us who like to get updates from the front but aren’t as willing to engage with the material.

    Karl

    June 30, 2013 at 6:02 PM

  2. Your idea of “value” seems very primitive.

    Isn’t insurance a good that people want? And how do you expect the transaction to buy insurance gets facilitated? The factory that makes a good produces something of value, but without the merchant bringing it to a store consumers can’t buy it. This idea that only science, medicine, or engineering creates value is illogical.

    Hepp

    June 30, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    • It’s a naive belief that great products don’t need to be sold. In reality, if you build a better mousetrap, the world will absolutely not beat a path to your door, because they won’t know about it. You’ll have to sell it, get shelf space for it, etc.

      Dave Pinsen

      June 30, 2013 at 8:39 PM

      • Wrong Dave. You will have to promote it, but you won’t have to sell it. There’s a BIG difference.

        Hendrik Verwoerd

        July 1, 2013 at 5:08 PM

    • If the goal of the salesmen was to provide the consumer with information about the product and help them arrive at a rational decision of whether purchasing the product would be a good decision that would improve their quality of life then the salesmen would indeed be providing a lot of value. There are some businesses, especially small businesses of a utilitarian bent (hardware store) where knowledgeable and honest merchants try to add value for their customers.

      However, most of sales, advertising, marketing, etc is just an effort to present disinformation and manipulate the emotions of customers in order to get them to make decisions they probably wouldn’t under more rational settings and that don’t actually make them happy. That’s why, for instance, attractive charismatic people (like these bimbos) are used to sell products to people. They respond well to the looks of the salesmen, and the salesmen can then manipulate them in to purchasing, even if they know little about the product they are selling.

      This is just another one of those cases where they assume people are “rational economic agents” rather then monkey brained balls of emotion that can be conned.

      asdf

      June 30, 2013 at 10:24 PM

      • Sometimes salesmen not only add value, they’re most of the value. This is the case with industrial distribution. The customer calls up with a problem which the salesman solves, but his pay is still a % of the goods he sells.

        I would also characterize many doctors as salesmen.

        Hendrik Verwoerd

        July 1, 2013 at 5:13 PM

      • Well, salesmen do play on people’s emotions. But they also provide information and bring things to people’s attention. Sometimes, it’s good to play on people’s emotions because they may not want insurance but actually be better off with it. Also, I’ve sometimes spent extra money or gone out of my way to a store where I liked the cashier and wanted a chance to talk to them. So even the things you say don’t create value actually can.

        I don’t deny that people can be “irrational.” But you have no way of knowing how much of what salesmen do actually creates value and how much doesn’t.

        Hepp

        July 1, 2013 at 11:54 PM

      • “But you have no way of knowing how much of what salesmen do actually creates value and how much doesn’t.”

        Do we really need to make the perfect the enemy of the good?

        Most of us can make good educated guesses based on experience, anecdote, intuition, statistical research, tradition, and logical reasoning.

        asdf

        July 2, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    • Coming from an unsophisticated, evangelical middle-class family, I can say that my family members would discuss insurance salesmen and “investment advisors” as if they were quasi-local celebrities.

      All of them were confident and outgoing. Why, this important person is taking an interest in me! I knew that if I played by the rules, avoided all the things that “Dateline NBC” warned me about, and dutifully saved my nest egg, then I would someday get to rub elbows with these new friends!

      I still remember the rube-ish awe they would express for these glamorous folks…
      “I remember him! He used to do the play-by-play for the college team!”
      “Look at those rings she wears! Would you believe, she thinks we could really benefit from an aggressive strategy!” (later convicted of fraud)
      “He used to be a highway patrolman!” (later committed suicide)

      Easy pickings in a world of trusting, altruistic, provincial betas. I don’t see this approach working so well in our new Dark Triad world, though strategies that appeal to SWPLism (gluten-free, etc) seem to be just as effective.

      Fiddlesticks

      July 1, 2013 at 12:03 PM

      • Coming from an unsophisticated, evangelical middle-class family, I can say that my family members would discuss insurance salesmen and “investment advisors” as if they were quasi-local celebrities.

        Most of whom would quit the insurance and financial sales businesses in a flash if they could get real (i.e. regular paychecks, no commissions) jobs.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        July 1, 2013 at 5:14 PM

      • Good on ya for overcoming your background. Very few do (in America).

        Hendrik Verwoerd

        July 1, 2013 at 5:19 PM

      • When I had to go to the top story of a tall building to get my Dad’s inheritance from the same people who’d had his mother’s money he was amazed I wasn’t intimidated, and my Dad is Harvard College ’66 and graduated in the top 10% of his law school class.

        Financial advisers are an example of “winning through intimidation”.

        Hendrik Verwoerd

        July 1, 2013 at 5:27 PM

      • Although Robert J. Schiller makes a big deal about the efficient market theory being not totally true, the market is so efficient that financial advisors really just distribute your wealth into a diverse range of asset classes. The fees of the financial advisors have unnecessarily high fees. I think they are a textbook example of high level value transference.

        de Broglie

        July 1, 2013 at 8:33 PM

    • “Isn’t insurance a good that people want?”

      Life insurance is “sold not bought”. House and auto are required by law. Commercial liability is sought, if it is, only because there are too many law school grads, and there are too many law school grads because there are too many lib arts grads. Thank you free market in education.

      Hendrik Verwoerd

      July 1, 2013 at 5:22 PM

      • People who do want or need life insurance often can get it as a fringe benefit through their jobs. These policies are less expensive than comparable coverage available on the open market, with the employers sometime picking up part of the premiums, and because there’s no individual underwriting people can qualify regardless of medical condition (you’d be surprised at how many people are medically ineligible for regular life insurance).
        While it’s true that work-provided life insurance terminates if the insured person leaves the job, in most (all?) cases he or she can elect to continue coverage, which even without any employer’s share still is usually less than the open-market cost for similar coverage. Once again, there’s no individual underwriting.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        July 1, 2013 at 7:55 PM

  3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeana_Keough

    It says she is/was 105 lbs at 5’7″ — I expected to look at a scrawny woman on Google Images, but she does not look thin.

    I was 90 lbs at 5’1″ just before my DKA episode three months ago and my attempts to gain weight were in vain; and while I am on insulin, I gained 10 lbs to my pre-diabetic weight and I feel great as I could run a mile and a half now.

    —-
    So, what position does the community college baseball player play? And what is his first name since they have three sons?

    These wealthy people are extremely prole, with their lack of any intellectual interests and their children who aren’t college material.

    I rather have a modest middle class income than to be wealthy and prole.

    Black_Rose

    June 30, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    • Jeana weighs a lot more than 105. At least she did in the first season. Maybe she got anorexic after she saw herself on TV, like Sammi “Sweatheart” from Jersey Shore.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      June 30, 2013 at 7:28 PM

    • What was your blood sugar when you were in DKA?

      Dave Pinsen

      June 30, 2013 at 8:52 PM

      • I heard 600 (presumably mg/dL) and an A1C of 13.5%, when I heard that I was like OMG in my delirious, hyperventilating, dehydrated state in an ambulance, since I knew it peaks in non-diabetics 200 mg/dL 2 hours postprandial for a high carb/high glycemic index meal. Interesting that the morbidity coincided with Lent, with the first symptoms manifesting on Ash Wednesday from my parish when I walked home for three miles (in 57 degree F in light clothing) just wanting to urinate. And I had calve and foot cramps while waking, presumably due to electrolyte imbalances (and of course frequent urination about once per hour while I was awake) and I could barely run a fifth of a mile without being fatigued during the last two weeks before DKA. I gave up chocolate for Lent (in addition to Lion’s blog and I succeed in abstaining from this wonderful blog for forty days) and while I was with my parents, I consumed most of the ice cream sandwiches with chocolate breading in their freezer; I rationalized it as “it is only one” for everyone I ate and rationalized that I could stand to consume the calories because I was thin; I thought it was just a minor slip and I could resume abstaining but I failed miserably that Lent. I guess it wasn’t that culpable, since it was the polyphagia of untreated diabetes although I only ate about once a day but I lost my restraint during meals that period. I also gave up chocolate during Lent in 2012 (in addition to a far-left message board that I rarely visit now), but I was more successful but I actually binged on Good Friday (too impatient), but I counted the binge as my meal so I kept the one meal a day, perhaps out of reverence of the passion of my Lord or out of vanity so I would not consume additional calories. In retrospect, that was somewhat funny.

        Black_Rose

        July 1, 2013 at 12:57 AM

      • This month I never had a reading on my glucometer above 130 mg/dL and only on three days it registered readings in the 120s. I use a low-carb/ketogenic diet to manage diabetes since it does not significantly raise my blood sugar even if the bolus was not corrected with insulin glulisine, and the low carbohydrate content allows me to use small amounts of insulin (rare above 5 IUs) to correct for my meals. These tactics minimizes blood glucose fluctuations and reduces the errors involved in insulin dosage, and I only had two mildly symptomatic hypos this month. Perhaps, the dawn phenomenon for me is mild because my chronically glycogen-depleted liver cannot inundate my blood with glucose after exercise or while I am sleeping, since my liver has to recycle the carbon skeletons from amino acids and lactic acid in gluconeogenesis as the rate of gluconeogenesis is limited by the influx of these substrates to my liver. 5-7 IUs of insulin glargine before bed is enough to preempt the dawn phenomenon safely without hypos and I inject additional glargine is I want a slight downward trend (as 7 IUs gives me a flat fasting blood glucose) or if I anticipate that I am going to snack a lot during the day.

        It was also my first month as a confirmed Catholic too.

        Black_Rose

        July 1, 2013 at 1:19 AM

    • She weighed 107 when she was a Playboy Playmate 30 years ago.

      MikeP

      June 30, 2013 at 11:50 PM

  4. I always found it odd to compare the prole white kid looking at dorms at junior colleges in the Orange county version versus the first season of Real Wives of Atlanta looking at colleges. In the Orange County version the mother was the sane one and the kid was unrealistic, spoiled., and dumb versus the Atlanta version where the son was sane and seemed to understand about college but the mother was unrealistic, spoiled., and dumb.

    superdestroyer

    June 30, 2013 at 7:38 PM

    • I’m sure many of the readers here know exactly the contrast you are talking about.

      Karl

      June 30, 2013 at 9:44 PM

  5. There’s no one who works in science or engineering or medicine or does anything else that’s constructive for the advancement of society.

    A reality show about boring, intelligent people would fail.

    Her oldest son is stupid and lazy, but women find him good looking, and he does look exceptionally mature for an 18-year-old.

    At least he’s having great sex.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    June 30, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    • Obviously the people change each time but one could argue that How it’s made is a reality show about the creations of boring, intelligent people. Dirty Jobs also seems to get a much more articulate than expected cast of seeming manual laborers.

  6. Black_Rose

    June 30, 2013 at 10:24 PM

  7. Vicky is a very successful life insurance agent, which show you that you don’t have to be very smart to be successful as a life insurance agent.

    Smarts won’t help much. In fact, the only thing that will enable you to succeed as a life insurance agent, in fact even to survive in the field at all, is having a very large network of business and personal contacts. If your network is big enough, and if you’re persistent, and most of all if Lady Luck takes a liking to you, it may be possible to make enough sales to people you know (a/k/a your “warm market,” a term that nauseates me) to meet your initial quota – more on that later – and then you might be able to use them as a source for referrals.

    There really are no other ways to get started in the scam, er, business. Going door-to-door doesn’t work, business soliciting doesn’t work, telemarketing doesn’t work (unless you have a fetish for hearing voice mail “greetings”), and direct mail doesn’t work. Mall kiosks and booths at fairs and other gatherings might lead to a sale here and there, but they are expensive and the resulting sales are too few for the ideas to be cost-effective. Lead-generation companies, which sell “qualified” leads to agents, are scams themselves. They peddle each lead to 20 or 30 or 40 desperate-for-business life insurance agents, so if you shell out for a lead (generally in the $15 – $25 range) and call, you’re almost certain to get voicemailed.

    What about people who call insurance companies for information? After all, life insurance commercials run all the time during NFL games, alongside the commercials for cars, beer, and limp-d*ck drugs. The dirty little secret is that not many people actually do contact life insurance companies, which makes sense given that life insurance is not something you buy, but something that is sold to you. In any event, almost all companies give these leads only to experienced agents. New agents need not apply.

    You might wonder why life insurance is sold strictly through straight-commission agents and cannot be purchased online or by telephone. After all, you can buy car insurance, a much more complex product, without any face-to-face dealings with an agent, just call Flo at Progressive. Part of the reason is what I mentioned, the fact that life insurance is sold, not bought. Another factor is that if people do think about buying life insurance they’ll almost always want to buy term policies. That makes perfect sense, as term gives much more coverage for much less money than whole life, and even a bit of cursory online research will make it clear that whole life’s cash-value accumulation really isn’t worth much. While life insurance companies don’t mind selling term policies, they’d much rather sell far more profitable whole life, or its variations of universal life and variable life. About the only way to sell anything other than term is to use straight-commission agents to try to smooth talk potential customers.

    Lauri works for Vicky, but Vicky is not happy with Lauri because she’s not selling much insurance.

    It may seem wholly counterintuitive, but life insurance companies have zero tolerance for agents who don’t produce well even though the straight-commission compensation means that a struggling agent really isn’t costing the company anything. My best guess is that the companies use initial job performance as part of the hiring process. Insurance companies hire just about anyone who applies to be an agent, with a very cursory interview process at best, and then wait to see who succeeds and who fails. In a twisted way this makes sense. Given that the number of “people you know” is really the sole factor that affects whether you succeed or fail, and given that there’s no realistic way to evaluate network size during the hiring process, the companies have a practice of hiring everyone, metaphorically throwing them against the wall, and seeing who sticks.

    Lastly, the rule of thumb is that 90% to 95% of new agents are gone within a year, indeed quite often within a matter of weeks. Most of those who survive are just barely scuffling by. My best estimate is that out of each 100 newly hired agents, at most one or two will end up being successful.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    June 30, 2013 at 10:24 PM

    • Another thing companies are constantly on the watch for are agents who purposely target those likely to use policies (say, a terminally ill patient) that they think they can push through whatever underwriting there is. This can sometimes be your “best” agents. I used to run a software program that looked for such agents and we always found a few every year.

      asdf

      July 1, 2013 at 12:45 AM

      • Although I said earlier that door-to-door no longer works, that isn’t entirely correct. It sometimes works in the very poorest neighborhoods. At the second of the two companies I was with, a small, rather obscure outfit, there were a couple of agents who made a semi-decent living (I’d guess in the $35K – $40K range, working probably 55 to 65 hours a week) by going door-to-door in poor neighborhoods selling cheap accident-protection policies. You’d get a commission of about $75 for each one you sold, and these agents would sell maybe ten policies a week, 12 or 15 in a really good week. The policies cost less than $20 a month, though they didn’t cover much.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        July 1, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    • “Lead-generation companies, which sell “qualified” leads to agents, are scams themselves.”

      “These are the new leads. These are the Glengarry leads. And to you they’re gold, and you don’t get them. Why? Because to give them to you would be throwing them away. They’re for closers…Put. That coffee. Down. Coffee is for closers only… A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Closing. Always be closing, always be closing…”

      E. Rekshun

      July 1, 2013 at 6:44 PM

    • Peter,

      Just how desperate were you that you took this job in the first place? The life insurance scam isn’t exactly a secret.

      What I disliked most about it is the way they use new agents as a foot-in-the-door to sell to his friends and family.

      ScarletNumber

      July 1, 2013 at 9:01 PM

      • I was an idiot. Sure, I had heard about the very high failure rate, but I thought I was a special snowflake and would be able to succeed where so many others had failed. After all, I was reasonably smart, I learned things quickly, I was more personable than many people … what I did not realize is that *everyone* who goes into life insurance thinks they’re special, too.
        While I’m not making any excuses for my bad choice, it’s also true that life insurance managers – who really are recruiters – do an extremely persuasive job of making people think that money grows on trees and success is nearly guaranteed. Combined with the greed that most people have (whether they’ll admit it or not), the recruiting pitches are very, very difficult to disregard.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        July 2, 2013 at 12:00 AM

      • @iron: That what the students at toilet law schools tell themselves!

        E. Rekshun

        July 2, 2013 at 10:21 AM

      • To add to my comment about life insurance recruiting, some of the methods they use have to be seen to be believed. At one of the companies where I worked the reverse of our business cards had recruitment information. If we solicited a prospective customer and he wasn’t interested in buying insurance, we were supposed to (literally) turn over the card and go straight into a recruitment pitch. Also at the same company, a small group meeting being held at a local Burger King was delayed in starting because the manager who was holding the meeting was trying to recruit the two girls working at the counter, one of whom barely spoke English. Thankfully they weren’t interested.
        Life insurance companies are a major presence at job fairs. That might not seem significant, but in fact most legitimate companies very much dislike attending these events (I don’t know why that’s so, but it is). In fact just earlier today I was talking with my manager, who told me that because of difficulty in filling entry-level jobs the company has had to start going to job fairs, and it was a very reluctant decision.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        July 2, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    • There might be one exception to the term is preferable. There’s a so called third party marketing organization here in PDX headed up by a former pension actuary which sells bespoke variable life to executives to get around tax deductible compensation limits. The guy later e wine went into the wine business.

      Hendrik Verwoerd

      July 2, 2013 at 5:12 PM

  8. Lion..

    You’re looking at people that specifically chose to parade themselves like morons on TV. Of course they’re going to be idiots.

    Regardless, these people will lose their wealth in a generation and live a life of great suffering.

    Kaz

    July 1, 2013 at 2:50 AM

  9. Any comments on Bravo’s ‘Princesses Long Island?

    Some “official” Jews are not amused.

    Rifleman

    July 1, 2013 at 3:21 AM

    • Any comments on Bravo’s ‘Princesses Long Island?

      Now that is Yenta.

      This calls for a season long Lion analysis.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      July 1, 2013 at 8:51 PM

    • Any comments on “Pregnant & Dating”?

      E. Rekshun

      July 9, 2013 at 5:17 PM

  10. Medicine doesn’t create value. It keeps valueless people alive and consumes resources in doing so. It’s an outright value-destroying profession, for the most part.

    Allerious

    July 1, 2013 at 3:39 AM

    • lol

      Hepp

      July 2, 2013 at 12:01 AM

    • So does agriculture

      D.H.

      July 2, 2013 at 2:07 AM

  11. (Jeana Keough) It says she is/was 105 lbs at 5’7″ — I expected to look at a scrawny woman on Google Images, but she does not look thin.

    Well, here she is from back around 1983. In this ZZ Top video she is the one in the red top who gets out of the car first.

    But that’s 30 years and 3 kids ago.

    Rifleman

    July 1, 2013 at 4:16 AM

    • Ever see the Charles Bronson flick “10 to Midnight”?, she plays one of the murder victims. Gets slashed while making eggs and toast. She’s also the only chick in the movie who doesn’t show her breasts.

      ExactaKing

      July 1, 2013 at 7:24 AM

  12. I’ve heard of “reality” shows like Real Housewives, etc but hadn’t previously seen one. I just watched a few minutes on youtube. My impression is that it’s scripted. The lines may not be written and rehearsed but it’s obviously coached, directed, etc. It doesn’t look natural at all. Also, they’re shallow and dumb because the people who watch crap like this are shallow and dumb. This is professional wrestling for middle aged women.

    destructure

    July 1, 2013 at 7:07 AM

    • I laughed at the reference to professional wrestling because a lot of reality TV can be thought of as ESPN for Women American Idol, Survivor, The Voice, Top Chief, Project Runway are definite ESPN-like because those types of shows have a season, has pregame analysis and post-game review and the viewers become fans or haters of certain contestants.

      However, I have always thought of Real Wives franchise to fit into the train wreck television much like Intervention, Hoarders, Real World, Jersey Shore, etc. People watch the show to see the bad personal decisions and people acting stupid.

      Of course, the third form of reality is the junk shows such as the pawn shows, pickers, etc. TRU TV managed to combined train wreck TV with junk with Hardcore Pawn

      superdestroyer

      July 1, 2013 at 8:13 AM

      • I really don’t find pregame or postgame analysis on sports networks intellectually valuable; if I want baseball analysis, I just check the FanGraphs website for some commentary based on sabermetrics.

        I am a weird woman: I enjoy watching Dodger home games, primarily because of Vin Scully (and I like to see Kershaw and Jansen succeed), but now they have a realistic shot at winning the division while a week ago, it seemed utterly hopeless.

        I was frustrated with my mother this year when I was with her when she wanted to watch the The Voice/American Idol/The Bachelorette. She does not seem to the intellectual type though or even understand the basic rules of any sport, such as what it is a “field goal” in the basketball or a “full count” in baseball. I could understand the contestants on the singing shows have real talent, but much of it is just manufactured drama, and I simply could maintain my attention while watching these shows. I rather see some Ks, scoreless innings, arching curves, and readings on the gun in the high 90s.

        Black_Rose

        July 1, 2013 at 11:48 AM

      • I keep waiting for the reality TV phase to go away, but the years go by and the genre (if you can call it that) is as strong as ever. It doesn’t help that the networks have a huge boner for reality shows. Producing an entire season of a reality show costs less than a single episode of regular TV.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        July 1, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    • And American politics is professional wrestling for people who can read without moving their lips. The presidential election is the biggest reality show.

      Hendrik Verwoerd

      July 1, 2013 at 5:16 PM

      • I don’t like American politics and I don’t the WWE. I guess that’s one reason why I considered the Marxist-Leninist an attractive alternative political view.

        Black_Rose

        July 2, 2013 at 1:29 PM

      • I too am sympathetic to the USSR.

        It is little understood that “freedom” is an abstraction, and that fear of losing one’s job or losing one’s health coverage is similar to the fear that one will be arrested and put in the GULAG.

        The prevailing, neoliberal, Washington consensus ideology is still “individualist” when production has been social and collective for the last 200 years at least in the West.

        Hendrik Verwoerd

        July 2, 2013 at 7:22 PM

    • I’m an avid documentary watcher but “reality TV” is not real at all. It’s not scripted per se, but the drama is constructed and there is directing that takes place. My husband’s company was once on a reality TV show and the entire drama and suspense line had been planned & agreed upon months in advance. In fact their appearing on the show was contingent upon following the “plot.”

      I have tried watching the various “housewives” incarnations and my main issue is… I cannot tell any of these women apart. They all look and sound identical. So I can’t follow any of the story lines or intrigues because I can’t keep track of who is who. If one has different hair color that sometimes helps, but the blond ones all look like clones. They all tend to dress similarly too.

      islandmommy

      July 1, 2013 at 5:48 PM

  13. If there was an industry devoted to turning men gay, this show would be an invaluable resource. Just watching this show one time makes you want to avoid women at all costs. I would commit suicide if I was married to one of these hags.

    Realist

    July 1, 2013 at 4:15 PM

    • Did you catch the recent interview with the creator of the show? He’s a flamer who says his show makes str8s “more comfortable” when gays move into their neighborhoods.

      rock hudson

      July 1, 2013 at 6:21 PM

      • I’m the one who posted the interview you’re talking bout. He was the creator of Desperate Housewives not Real Housewives. Different show.

        destructure

        July 2, 2013 at 1:57 AM

  14. Only prole rich people would ever appear on TV. but these people are better characterized as UPMC. Trump is an example of a rich (and Wharton educated) prole.

    “and their children who aren’t college material”

    One of them ends up going to UCB IIRC from the few episodes I saw five years ago.

    Hendrik Verwoerd

    July 1, 2013 at 5:05 PM

  15. Hendrik,

    “Wrong Dave. You will have to promote it, but you won’t have to sell it. There’s a BIG difference.”

    You’ll almost certainly have to sell it, because the benefits of your product – however great – will, in all likelihood, not be obvious to those unfamiliar with it.

    You mentioned physicians being salesmen in another comment, and that leads me to an example of what I’m talking about. I contracted pneumonia last year secondary to another medical issue, and had a follow-up to see the attending pulmonolgist after I got out of the hospital. The purpose of the visit was ostensibly to make sure my pneumonia was gone, but she used it as an opportunity to sell me on a sleep study which lead to a CPAP prescription.

    She absolutely had to sell me on it, because the benefits weren’t obvious and the downsides were – and she made money from my decision, as she acknowledged she had a financial interest in the sleep center. But once I started using a CPAP machine, I saw the benefits of it.

    Dave Pinsen

    July 1, 2013 at 6:27 PM

  16. Vicki is the one with the pig snout face.

    Vic

    July 1, 2013 at 8:43 PM

  17. The Undiscovered Jew

    July 1, 2013 at 9:01 PM

  18. this show sucks and is a good representation of the disconnected family.

    marc

    July 2, 2013 at 10:58 AM


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