Lion of the Blogosphere

Cruise ships are prole

NY Times article about cruise ships made me think about how cruise ships are prole.

Proles like cruises because they like vacations where they can feel like they are rich, and cruise lines provide a faux-riche experience to proles who don’t know any better. And there’s also unlimited food, which proles like.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

October 29, 2013 at 11:00 AM

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  1. Proles like those “all-inclusive” Jamaican resorts for the same faux-riche reason.

    radicaldesi

    October 29, 2013 at 11:19 AM

  2. Have you ever been on one, Lion? My folks are cruise fanatics. I think you’re off-base, though you’re farther from wrong every passing year.

    It used to be that there were two different kinds (or, really, ends of the spectrum). You had higher-end ones and you had lower-end ones like Commodore Lines. The latter definitely appealed to the thrifty set and those of more limited means. The food wasn’t as good, the service wasn’t as good, and so on.

    It’s a common complaint among cruise people that they’ve all become penny-pinchers. Not to the same degree, but more and more of them are trying to appeal to more people. That means cutting rates and services.

    Even so… prole? Not really. First, unless you happen to live near the Gulf Coast, there’s a good chance that you have to fly somewhere to get on the boat, and there are hotel expenses involved.. They’re still not cheap. There are some cruises that leave from the East Coast and West Coast, but those tend to be more expensive. They’re going further out or to cooler places. I’d argue it’s still more of a place for the middle class to feel wealthy, rather than proles.

    Thanks for the link to the article, though. Leave it to congress to look at the cruising industry and think “How can we push this out of the price range of the everyman?” It’s hard not to think that the endgame will eventually be American labor standards. That way we can stop exploiting the third-worlders (nevermind what their job prospects will be without the cruiselines) and give Americans jobs (nevermind how many fewer jobs there will be).

    trumwill

    October 29, 2013 at 11:19 AM

    • Prole doesn’t necessarily mean poor. For Lion it means white, unsophisticated rube. If you make a couple hundred thousand a year from your landscaping business and spend your money on cruises, ATVs and hunting trips you’re prole.

      reb40964

      October 29, 2013 at 1:13 PM

      • Yes, and graduating from bumblebee state or community college is also very prole.

        Working on Wall St can be prole as well; plenty of guys who are stock brokers who don’t have college degrees. All sales careers are prole.

        JS

        October 29, 2013 at 3:14 PM

      • Well, that’s true. High proles are a relatively small subset, though. Not enough to base an industry on.

        Anyway, I haven’t found much overlap between people who like to go ATVing and people who like to go on cruises. YMMV.

        Also worth noting is that cruises require passports, which I suspect even high proles are less likely to have than lower-income college graduates.

        trumwill

        October 29, 2013 at 3:48 PM

      • You usually need a passport for a cruise (I think they need to make a foreign stop to get around US labor laws or something), and passports are often considered a token of sophistication.

        Dave Pinsen

        October 29, 2013 at 6:00 PM

      • it used to be in britain that class and wealth/income were understood to not be the same thing. is the us the same?

        the highest class are those who make a lot, have a lot, and make a lot with their brains.

        100 years ago engineering was prole, but now it’s not, is it?

        jorge videla

        October 31, 2013 at 6:24 AM

      • “All sales careers are prole.”

        not at all. if you’re selling to consumers yes. if you’re selling bespoke derivatives to governments and big business definitely not. if you’re selling very expensive machinery to big business sales aren’t prole.

        jorge videla

        October 31, 2013 at 6:55 AM

  3. There are non-prole cruise ships, but they are very different. Check out http://www.expeditions.com/ . These cruises start at 20k a person. They go places like antarctica. When I went the mix of folks were C-level officers of companies, internet millionaires, and wealthy but crunchy students, think trustafarians who kayak.

    They don’t provide you with a faux-rich experience. Today’s wealthy are doers, they wouldn’t sit on a boat like that for weeks. Wealth is about exclusivity, going to antarctica, or the north pole is exclusive. St Barts via Royal Caribbean isn’t.

    Matt H

    October 29, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    • I want to visit Newfoundland and Greenland across the ocean. Are they exotic enough to be considered bobo trips?

      JS

      October 29, 2013 at 12:39 PM

      • Few proles even bother with that kind of places. I don’t know about Newfoundland but Greenland is bobo enough. It has a few thousand yellow people who have to be gentrified, but it will make a very good bobo paradise after De Blasio destroy New York.

        Colmainen

        October 29, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    • There’s also a cruise ship that sells permanent cabins/apartments. I met a couple in Brazil once that had one. They were American, quite wealthy, and lived somewhere in France.

      Dave Pinsen

      October 29, 2013 at 6:02 PM

  4. Proleproleprole: those old Kathie Lee Gifford ads for Carnival where she’s singing, “Not much MONEY, oh but honey, ain’t we got fun! The food is GREAT here, there’s never a BILL!”

    An era when provider-beta, family-man concerns were unironically exalted and catered to by ad men.

    Steve Sailer has noted how the common man has gone from being the center of policy and cultural considerations to being the scapegoat and enemy in a few short decades.

    Of course the “never a bill” line is false; they are always squeezing you to generously tip everyone imaginable.

    Fiddlesticks

    October 29, 2013 at 11:38 AM

    • tips are prole, and the us is the world capital of proles.

      jorge videla

      October 31, 2013 at 6:30 AM

  5. Also you can let your kids run around the kids area and go get drunk at the bar every day.

    albert magnus

    October 29, 2013 at 12:08 PM

  6. Have to agree. Did cruise once. The participants are mostly in prole proffessions. Guided tours and Hawaii vacations are also prole favored. At end, proles do not like any challenging situations which need careful plans and problem solving skills.

    IC

    October 29, 2013 at 12:16 PM

    • Why would anyone want to have to use problem solving skills while on vacation. There are many types of personality when it comes to vacations. I always think that people who want to rent the same house for a week on the shore every year are more prole that people who go on cruise.

      I guess to the faux-elite, taking any form of vacation in the U.S. is prole.

      superdestroyer

      October 29, 2013 at 6:17 PM

    • In the 70s proles and bobos could both vacation in the same place, Waikiki for instance, only they stayed at different hotels and ate at different restaurants.

      Curle

      October 30, 2013 at 10:05 PM

  7. “And there’s also unlimited food, which proles like”

    Lion must be a big fan of those low cost “all you can eat” Chinese food buffet, which of course is very prole.

    JS

    October 29, 2013 at 12:37 PM

    • They don’t exist in New York City, but I ate at one of those places when I lived in Phoenix, Arizona.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 29, 2013 at 12:56 PM

      • There are loads of all you can eat places in the outer boroughs.

        islandmommy

        October 29, 2013 at 5:53 PM

      • There are lots of all-you-can-eat buffets in Manhattan.

        ghost of jake powell

        October 30, 2013 at 10:22 AM

      • Lion, I found what you’re looking for.

        http://www.yelp.com/biz/midtown-buffet-new-york

        This is the only “All You Can Eat” Chinese buffet in Manhattan and it is located in the “Garment” district, not too far from Hell’s Kitchen. Voila!

        It has poor reviews, but I’m sure you could stomach bad chinese food.

        JS

        October 31, 2013 at 10:07 PM

  8. Proles brag about how big their cruise ship is. Rich people brag about how small their boat is.

    Proles brag about being on the same ship as Triple H, who was paid to be there. Rich people brag about being on the same boat as Michael Chabon, who was paying to be there.

    KLO

    October 29, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    • I think I have some prole in me because I know who Triple H is without even Wiki-ing it.

      Since I confessed it, may I have some absolution for my proleness and perhaps read Fussell for my penance.

      Latias

      October 29, 2013 at 2:12 PM

      • Triple H began his career with an aristocrat gimmick.

        He was Hunter Hearst Helmsley a NE blue blood type.

        eradican

        October 29, 2013 at 3:48 PM

      • Isn’t Triple H, whom I just googled, sub-prole? Aren’t all wrestlers sub-prole? To my mind there is a great gap between wrestling fans and folks who vacation on cruise ships.

        Curle

        October 30, 2013 at 10:09 PM

    • except you do know that rich people don’t read, don’t you? people like chabon are sold to people who think they’re much more sophisticated than donald trump and when they read what they think is high literature they feel superior.

      jorge videla

      October 31, 2013 at 6:35 AM

      • Bill Gate’s vacation reading list includes this oh so predictable effort at legitimizing the racism-causation boogey-man.

        “Whistling Vivaldi: How Stereotypes Affect Us and What We Can Do Claude Steele (Norton & Company, 2011)”

        “The only book on the list that Gates has already read, he chose to include this analysis of stereotypes and identity in America as a recommendation. “Discrimination has a lot of layers that make it tough for minorities to get a leg up. And Steele offers a few ideas about how to tackle the problem,” he said.”

        Gates has a reported IQ of around 160. Anyone thinkt he actually believes what is attributed to him in the statement above; i.e. that discrimination as opposed to native differences accounts for minority (read black) failure?

        Curle

        November 1, 2013 at 12:24 AM

  9. Didn’t used to be that way. Up until “The Love Boat” came on TV, going on a cruise was very much an upper middle class activity.

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    October 29, 2013 at 1:16 PM

    • That’s probably true.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 29, 2013 at 2:50 PM

      • Many elite activities migrate downwards. As more people take up an activity, it becomes cheaper and more widely available, and the elites flee from it. The elites (as you have noted) don’t do things for fun, they do them to display status (and the satisfaction they derive from that, as opposed to actually enjoying the activity).

        Personally, that sounds like some kind of hell to me, so I’ll happily remain prole (and as far away from NYC as possible).

        Some Guy

        October 30, 2013 at 12:08 PM

      • “The elites (as you have noted) don’t do things for fun, they do them to display status (and the satisfaction they derive from that, as opposed to actually enjoying the activity).” ————– Exactly. But, the worst hell on earth is the striving upper middle class women who wants to display elite credentials on a budget. Such shenanigans result in headaches (for the male) such as fixer upper vacation homes (to impress her friends with the presumed status that comes from having a second home). She gets some goofy sense of status achievement, he gets twice the number of home fixing chores.

        Curle

        October 30, 2013 at 10:16 PM

      • such a woman just needs a good bang from a black guy. “honey. look who i brought home. it’s your 50th birthday present.”

        jorge videla

        October 31, 2013 at 6:38 AM

  10. Cruises are prole by virtue of being dirt cheap. You can get an 8-day cruise from Fort Lauderdale to San Juan and Nassau for the same price that only buys you two nights at Atlantis, where food isn’t even included.

    Camlost

    October 29, 2013 at 1:33 PM

  11. Are the Cunard ships (the better parts) or the private yacht cruises prole? I don’t think so.

    Colmainen

    October 29, 2013 at 1:36 PM

  12. Cruise ships appeal to proles but not exclusively to them.

    The last two sentences also apply to Vegas casinos with buffets and tacky decor. They have even greater appeal to proles, and for the same reasons stated by Lion above.

    JWS

    October 29, 2013 at 1:49 PM

    • Every Las Vegas Casino has a buffet, including the Wynn (where Prince Harry stayed). The food there is hardly prole.

      Camlost

      October 29, 2013 at 3:47 PM

  13. This blog has premium educational content since one could learn about the habits of proles and social class and what to do to avoid being associated with them.

    I really want to share and recommend this blog to my friends and acquaintances to help them learn about proles, but I think they would be someone repulsed by the HBD references by some of the commenters.

    Latias

    October 29, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    • Your homiez should visit the hood dawg.

      Too many ain’t keepin it real ya feel me?

      eradican

      October 29, 2013 at 4:11 PM

    • but I think they would be someone repulsed by the HBD references by some of the commenters.

      This is how Lion lures in the intelligent white professional to HBD.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      October 29, 2013 at 9:21 PM

  14. I met Microsoft multiple-billionaire Steve Balmer on a cruise, just blending in with everyone else. Is he prole? And the first I ever knowingly interacted with Ashkenazi Jews was on a cruise.

    Bottledwater

    October 29, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    • You know, 10% of college-educated white people are Jewish, and the country is full of Jewish people who don’t look Jewish and don’t have Jewish-sounding last names.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 29, 2013 at 2:54 PM

      • Don’t forget the Crypto-Jews, a massively expanding number of people as DNA testing comes into vogue. Who would have thought that the Bible Belt was also home to perhaps the world’s greatest concentration of Crypto-Jews? Do a ‘Find’ search for “Cumberland Gap” in the following paper. Google: Toward a Sephardic Haplogroup Profile in the New World

        http://dnaconsultants.com/Default.aspx?PageID=1423917&A=SearchResult&SearchID=7298116&ObjectID=1423917&ObjectType=1

        Curle

        October 30, 2013 at 10:28 PM

      • The DNA Consulants Sephardic ancestry project sounds dubious. Suggesting that Y-chromosome haplogroup R1b is a marker of Sephardic ancestry based on a purported conversion event is odd. Since it’s so common throughout Western Europe, how can they distinguish locals who have that haplogroup whose ancestors never converted from locals who have that haplogroup whose ancestors supposedly converted to Judaism? And the article they link to doesn’t take into account any of the recent autosomal DNA studies ithat show a close relationship between Ashkenazi and Sephardic populations (not inclusive of all Mizrahi populations that sometimes get lumped into the Sephardic category). A better test would compare these subjects’ autosomal DNA with a known Sephardic reference group. On the plus side, there would be many more markers to test. On the downside, many of the people who take the autosomal test won’t have appreciable Jewish ancestry. There really isn’t a good historical case for Jewish ancestry among the melungeons, but some Hispanics from families with odd customs and marriage patterns (e.g. Linda Chavez) might have it.

        nebbish

        November 3, 2013 at 9:16 PM

    • Is he prole?

      If he shook hands with a lowly prole without wearing a white glove, then, yes.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      October 29, 2013 at 9:22 PM

      • Microsoft is prole company anyway, so he was shaking hands with a prole.

        JS

        October 30, 2013 at 12:11 AM

      • mr softy is prole? you do know that bill gates’s full name is william henry gates iii, that he grew up rich, his nickname was “trip” short for “triple”. of course he ate at mcdonald’s when he was building ms. his lexus had mcdonald’s wrappers all over it. so maybe.

        jorge videla

        October 31, 2013 at 7:08 AM

      • “mr softy is prole? you do know that bill gates’s full name is william henry gates iii, that he grew up rich, his nickname was “trip” short for “triple”. of course he ate at mcdonald’s when he was building ms. his lexus had mcdonald’s wrappers all over it. so maybe”.

        MrSofty is prole because their products suck and their graphic interfaces are designed by proles. It was only when he ripped off from Jobs, that the OS interface began to look nicer, but still, they look nothing like Apple.

        Further, people who peddle, troubleshoot and maintain mr softy products are usually proles. Jobs never care for that. That’s why the Apple store exists.

        JS

        November 4, 2013 at 12:49 AM

    • Balmer is indeed a prole at heart, judging by his well-known boorish mannerisms and spastic outbursts.

      Sounds quite like a televangelist or a TV pitchman, does he not?

      Not upper class behavior, to say the least.

      Allerious

      October 30, 2013 at 6:01 AM

      • Cripes, disturbing.

        Curle

        November 1, 2013 at 12:31 AM

  15. Back in Titanic days, all the proles were put in steerage.

    Dave

    October 29, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    • And TOOS wants it that way even now.

      Colmainen

      October 30, 2013 at 1:54 PM

    • yeah. my great great grandmother is the titanic’s most famous survivor and a prole upstart. there was a broadway play and a movie about her.

      and only a prole like me would brag about it.

      jorge videla

      October 31, 2013 at 6:58 AM

      • Your gg grandmother got naked for Len DeCaprio?

        Curle

        November 1, 2013 at 12:33 AM

      • no. cathy bates played her in titanic..

        jorge videla

        November 1, 2013 at 9:28 PM

  16. Where does one go/what does one do if one doesn’t like Proles or Rich people?

    fakeemail

    October 29, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    • Back to 1962.

      Renault

      October 29, 2013 at 4:48 PM

    • Just play Pokémon. Most of the adult proles have families and have to attend to their menial and semi-skilled jobs, while rich people have better things to do. Competitive battling is fairly g-loaded enough, as it involves elements of tactics and strategy by exploiting metagame trends and game mechanics, that dumbasses cannot master it.

      I really do not play it anymore since it was distracting me from my prayer life, although I know from my experiences that I have the potential to be really good and that satisfies me.

      Latias

      October 29, 2013 at 6:01 PM

    • Reading this blog and HBD material is another indicator of not being prole too.

      Latias

      October 29, 2013 at 6:02 PM

      • reading news on the internet(not including Facebook) is a pretty good indicator that someone is not a prole. If someone watches tv news as their primary news source, then he is a guaranteed prole.

        taj31

        October 30, 2013 at 5:38 AM

      • or even worse watches local news.

        jorge videla

        October 31, 2013 at 7:10 AM

    • find a woman who thinks the same way. and remember that it’s still possible to get rich if you’ve got something very special.

      jorge videla

      October 31, 2013 at 7:00 AM

  17. Lion also forget to mention that cruises are also favorite activities among blacks and hispanics, who at least have some money for a trip.

    JS

    October 29, 2013 at 3:15 PM

  18. Northerners on a Caribbean cruise may be less likely to be prole, they’ve got to pay a bunch in airfare just to get to a Southern port that hosts the cruise ships.

    But if you’re from Florida and you’re on a cruise it probably means you couldn’t afford your own boat or you couldn’t afford the relatively cheap airfare for the 2-hour direct flight to San Juan or Bridgetown.

    Camlost

    October 29, 2013 at 3:55 PM

  19. While we’re on the subject of travel and social class, a couple of weeks ago I flew on Spirit Airlines from LaGuardia to Ft. Lauderdale, and the completely full flight was the first flight I’ve ever been on where a (clear) majority of the passengers were minorities. My return flight four days later was maybe 40% minority.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    October 29, 2013 at 3:56 PM

    • “…the completely full flight was the first flight I’ve ever been on where a (clear) majority of the passengers were minorities.”

      Interesting. Kind of makes you wonder if a tipping point will be reached wherein white, middle class people will begin to avoid airline travel, or at least certain airlines and/or routes.

      Sgt. Joe Friday

      October 30, 2013 at 3:42 PM

      • There was definitely a tipping point for me. I travel to Asia regularly, and always fly Cathay or Singapore Air despite their higher fares. EVA, Korean Air and the other discount airlines are usually a few hundred dollars cheaper, but I got tired of being seated next to people gnawing chicken feet and spitting on the floor.

        driveallnight

        October 30, 2013 at 9:35 PM

    • Spirit Airlines is well known as the black airline flying out of Hartsfield.

      Camlost

      October 30, 2013 at 6:23 PM

  20. i know an old-money trustfunder that likes to go on cruises. i also told him that i thought cruises are for proles when he told me.

    however, the majority of the people that i know that like cruises are very prole. either middle class or new money upper middle class. like lion said, they like all-you-can-eat food, gambling, and they need to be told what is “cool”/”exclusive” etc. because they are striving and therefore cannot make their own determinations of what those things are.

    theoak

    October 29, 2013 at 4:47 PM

  21. Communists like cruises!

    http://nationcruise.com/

    Proletariat Love Boats of the World, Unite!

    mindweapon

    October 29, 2013 at 4:51 PM

  22. My mom used to have this thing about cruises and cruise ships. Never had a kind word for them or their enthusiasts. I guess she thought they were prole or tacky. Yet finally in her retirement years she went on a cruise to mexico with some of her retirement community friends, and said it was quite nice and the food was up to par. Personally I’d never go on one because I’m a germophobe and don’t like crowds.

    My maternal grandmother went on a cruise to Alaska in her 90s and said it was one of the most amazing experiences of her life. It was one of her last expeditions before she started to go downhill healthwise. She spoke of it till her dying day, about how beautiful it was.

    islandmommy

    October 29, 2013 at 5:29 PM

  23. @Latias: “…I think they would be someone repulsed by the HBD references by some of the commenters.”

    The truth is repulsive but not untrue.

    E. Rekshun

    October 29, 2013 at 5:34 PM

  24. I think a lot of the low-end cruise lines are very prole – Carnival, Princess, etc. We’ve done a few, and they were definitely now cheap or ordinary. For example, National Geographic to the Galapagos, or our Crystal cruise through the Panama canal, where we dined (tuxedos for the gentlemen) with one of Richard Nixon’s law school classmates (retired from a very well known firm). He told us about his class reunion, which was hosted by Nixon and held at the White House. Prole, indeed.

    Black Death

    October 29, 2013 at 7:44 PM

    • “He told us about his class reunion, which was hosted by Nixon and held at the White House. Prole, indeed.”

      Yup, the real reason the DC establishment hated Nixon. It wasn’t his politics, it was his prole background.

      Sgt. Joe Friday

      October 30, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    • Nixon was a prole. Never had an ivy league follower, and surrounded himself with people from UCLA (a very prole school) with surnames straightly from bad WWII movies.

      Colmainen

      October 30, 2013 at 1:57 PM

      • While the Asian invasion certainly hasn’t helped things prestige-wise, UCLA has always been a very respectable school.

        (And that’s coming from a snobby Ivy Leaguer.)

        Renault

        October 30, 2013 at 4:37 PM

      • Didn’t Nixon make a mistake similar to what Lion did? He was admitted to an elite law school (Yale) but declined in favor of a lower ranked one.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        October 30, 2013 at 7:07 PM

      • Nixon became President, so it’s hard to argue that he would have been more successful in life if he had gone to Yale instead.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 31, 2013 at 12:11 AM

    • “in terms of pure iq, he was the smartest man i’ve ever met”

      —milton friedman on nixon

      jorge videla

      October 31, 2013 at 7:16 AM

  25. While the industry in general has gotten more prole, there are non-prole cruises.

    Non-prole cruises tend to go to places that you an only visit via a boat, such as Antartica. If you are wealthy enough to have your own private yacht, seaworthy enough to go these places, and can get the necessary permits, you don’t need to go there on a cruise. For everyone else (the military is an exception, but the chances of visiting interesting places in military service is so random and comes with so many restrictions its not worth bothering with), its pretty much a cruise or nothing.

    On the other hand, the most prole cruises go to places like the Caribbean, where not only can you visit the place without going on a cruise, no sane person would want to visit there in the first place. The ultimate prole cruise -this was actually my high school prom!- just goes out to the ocean where everyone gets drunk and then returns.

    Ed

    October 29, 2013 at 7:44 PM

    • I went on a Valentines Day three-hour nighttime booze cruise once out of Ft. Lauderdale. One other time, I went on a 3-hour daytime gambling cruise out of Ft. Lauderdale and got sea sick. Booze cruises and gambling cruises are prole.

      E. Rekshun

      October 30, 2013 at 5:33 AM

  26. Where does the Lion spend his elite vacations?

    The Undiscovered Jew

    October 29, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    • Islesboro, Maine – that’s where Dark Harbor is located, a place where Lion referenced in his previous blog. You can’t find a place more White AND Wealthy than Iselsboro Maine. No proles, no Asians and no blacks & hispanics in the nearby vincinity.

      JS

      October 30, 2013 at 12:15 AM

    • I find that elites tend to go on extreme vacations : climbing Mount Everest, sky diving, cycling, hikes , etc. This basically carries on the tradition of aristocrats doing crazy stuff with all their money and spare time.

      taj31

      October 30, 2013 at 5:34 AM

  27. Just got back from a Euro-trip and I can attest to this! One very polite local referred to cruise ship-goers as “very bulky” and my husband and I were quite amused/surprised/annoyed at the obesity and loudness of those cruise groups! (We saw too many of them during their “land tours”)

    It was clear that those people valued the all-you-can-eat buffets… When I mentioned the free cruise ship food to my husband, he said “they also have a free gym and free fitness classes. Why don’t they take advantage of those instead of the free food?”

    Yes, there are non-prole cruise ships, but as pointed out they are “exclusive”, a term which includes size.

    almost1%erbrowngirl

    October 29, 2013 at 11:18 PM

  28. Simple checklist if you are taking a vacation on a boat to tell if you are prole: Do you own the boat? Do you know how to sail the boat? Are you married to someone who either owns or knows how to sail the boat? Are you somewhere that is not the Caribbean, Mediterranean or Pacific Coast of Mexico?

    If you can’t answer yes to at least one of those questions it is probably a prole vacation. If you can answer yes to 3 or more, congratulations – you’ve made it.

    Peter the Shark

    October 30, 2013 at 1:18 AM

  29. One must differentiate between cruise ship and ocean liners. Qm2 ocean liner from NY to soton is not prole. It does transport duties on some voyages…. rather than a ‘cruise’

    uatu

    October 30, 2013 at 2:41 AM

  30. I have always thought that cruises were for older people who do not want to put the effort into finding things. The the Lion compares cruise ship people to proles because young rich people do not go on them. The question is then: Where to old rich people go on vacation? I doubt they are backpacking around South America? Does one really need to vacation is tuscany to avoid being an older prole.

    superdestroyer

    October 30, 2013 at 5:26 AM

    • Non-prole old rich people go to places like Paris, Vienna, Tuscany, Barcelona, New York, London or San Francisco. Basically anywhere with world class museums, symphony orchestras and restaurants, and a low crime rate is fine. If you walk around the center of Vienna you will bump into wealthy retired Americans at every corner. Another way to put it – if Woody Allen can film a movie there, it’s acceptable.

      Peter the Shark

      October 30, 2013 at 7:46 AM

  31. A crossing (or passage) should never be confused with a cruise, demographically or otherwise.

    Anthony

    October 30, 2013 at 12:19 PM

  32. I enjoy cruising with Princess. It’s not terribly expensive, and my family has a good time. Different cruise lines try for different market segments. NCL, for example, used to offer discounts on all its cruises to union members. Now it’s only select sailings, but you get the idea of their target market. I’ve seen the crowds reboarding Carnival ships and was left with the feeling that I didn’t want to be on a Carnival ship.

    There’s more to having class than spending a bunch of money on a vacation. And yes, there are some pretty dreadful people on cruise ships, but we generally stick to ourselves and have fun. I’ve actually met some interesting people, though, and they weren’t proles.

    ColRebSez

    October 30, 2013 at 7:33 PM

  33. proles enjoy tacky things, like cruises.

    people with upscale values seek genuine, authentic experiences.

    rivsdiary

    October 30, 2013 at 8:58 PM

    • All the rich people vacationing in upscale resorts in Florida disagree.

      superdestroyer

      October 31, 2013 at 5:12 AM

      • you’re right, i forgot one:
        proles enjoy taking things
        tacky rich people enjoy tacky things
        people with upscale values seek genuine, authentic experiences.
        sadly, most proles are never exposed to upscale values, so they never evolve past MSM tacky values. the cultivation of the appreciation of high culture takes time, effort, education — and the realization that these things exist.

        rivsdiary

        October 31, 2013 at 4:51 PM

  34. so is disneyland, but everyone should go to disneyland once.

    jorge videla

    October 31, 2013 at 6:20 AM

  35. Truly rich people don’t go on cruises. They release an unsuspecting schmuck into the woods on some private island, and then hunt him down with state-of-the-art crossbows and super-expensive firearms. See the movie “Surviving The Game”, with Ice-T as the prole quarry. After the kill is done, they kick back on their Moroccan leather armchairs and quaff the latest Chateau Margaux. “In vino veritas”, as we used to say back at the Porcellian after a particularly grueling day on the lacrosse field.

    Saskatoon Sammy

    October 31, 2013 at 9:48 AM

    • Always check your barrel.

      Camlost

      October 31, 2013 at 1:55 PM

  36. I know this thread is getting old, but has the Lion ever provided sightseeing advice for out-of-towners, given that he’s contemplated other aspects of the tourism industry and he knows New York?

    Curle

    November 3, 2013 at 1:42 PM


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