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Why Republicans love Hispanic immigration

As everyone already points out all the time in the comments, big business likes immigration because it means cheap labor which makes the rich business owners even richer while depressing wages of the workers. And the Republican Party likes business (especially they love Small Business, but they also like big business) because Republicans love capitalism and everyone knows business is inherently capitalist so Republicans tend to reflexively agree with whatever big business donors ask for.

But the other thing going on, that hardly any commenters ever mention, is that the Republican party has a powerful single-issue anti-abortion wing. They are a single-issue wing because the only thing they care about is making abortion illegal, and they are Republican only because the Republican party is the anti-abortion party and not because they support conservative economic policies or any other policies that Republicans support.

The single-issue anti-abortion wing likes Hispanic immigration because they see Hispanics as religious Catholics who will vote for anti-abortion candidates and there’s always the dream they will become Republican because of the abortion issue, or maybe sometime in the future there will be a powerful Right-To-Life party that’s a coalition of Catholic Hispanics and Christian and Catholic whites, with this new party not being especially “conservative” except for being anti-abortion.

This also explains why Republicans are so interested in Hispanic outreach but are doing nothing about outreach to Asians, even though Asians are also a fast-growing minority. You would think that Asians would be “natural conservatives” because Asians have good jobs and would be in favor of lower taxes and other conservative economic and social policies. If “conservative” means belief that one should be married before having children, and value hard work, then Asians are a lot more conservative than Hispanics in their behavior.

But alas, what Republicans really mean by “natural conservatives” is being anti-abortion. And Asians aren’t particularly anti-abortion because that’s only something that Christians get excited about. Asians from Buddhist countries just aren’t that religious, and “Asians” from the Hindu country are far more opposed to eating beef than they are to non-Hindu women getting abortions.

Republicans can only win over Asians by becoming less of a Christian anti-abortion party, which is not something that the Christian Right wants any part of.

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One may rightly ask whether Hispanic immigration will actually have the desired effect of leading to laws against abortion.

In the short term, Hispanics vote for Democrats, and I can almost guarantee you that the next Democratic president will appoint liberal pro-choice judges to the Supreme Court.

So far, Hispanics don’t care that much about abortion when it comes to how they vote. They wouldn’t vote against a candidate because he’s pro-life (unlike most white Democrats), but they place a much higher importance on voting for candidates who will give them more government benefits, more affirmative action, and allow more of their relatives to move here and become citizens.

Mexico has stricter abortion laws than the United States, but they are liberalizing even there. Abortion-on-demand is available in Mexico City.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

October 31, 2013 at 1:29 PM

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  1. Asians are leftists like all affluent identity politic groups. Here is a protest video from Brown University where the NYPD commissioner is heckled into cancelling his visit. You’ll notice all the standard Democrat voter types.

    eradican

    October 31, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    • Yes, the only exception is that Asians are disliked by the left, yet liberals are happy to take their votes. Talking about bending over and being abused!

      JS

      November 1, 2013 at 11:01 PM

      • Are they really disliked by the left?

        Stealth

        November 3, 2013 at 6:37 PM

  2. Interesting point but you are leaving out the other reason for pro-immigration support – consumers!

    Everyday lobbyists hit Washington looking to bribe congressman into being pro-immigration because they need more people to buy the garbage they are supplying.

    McDonald’s and Sears and Walmart and everybody else needs the American consumer market to expand.

    Look at the movie goers, the people renting appliances and cars and apartments.

    There is a panic setting in about the lack of consumers. A few years back they were giving money away to get people to consume home loans, no credit, no cash, no problem.

    The NFL now is apparently trying to “soften up” the NFL to get more female fans/consumers.

    This country needs as many idiots as possible who will consume as much garbage as possible. That’s how the system works.

    Rifleman

    October 31, 2013 at 2:10 PM

    • The NFL’s strategy, while definitely wouldn’t mind female fans, is specifically targeting females 15-35.

      It isn’t going after 40+ year old women nearly as much.

      The strategy has less to do with the woman purchasing power, than it does with cultivating future MALE fans and players (those who participate in popwarner, hs, etc).

      The 15-35 demo is the female that will be having kids at some point if not already. and some of those those kids will be sons…a female that’s a fan of the NFL will not be telling their sons they can’t play and push them to baseball, bball, or soccer instead. The NFL is worried about all the concussions/health stuff affecting future fan/player participation so that’s their main focus in targeting the type of female they target.

      uatu

      October 31, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    • Hispanics have the highest movie-theater-attending rate of any demographic group in the US. “Instructions Not Included–” a film in spanish– was 5th in the box office and grossed $10 million its opening weekend. What’s remarkable about this film is that it was created for american audiences, it’s not an import.

      toomanyspiders

      October 31, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    • Great point. In poor immigrants, big business gets: 1) cheap labor; 2) more consumers to buy their shit; 3) consumers who receive the confiscated money of the savers who wouldn’t buy all that shit.

      Big business is as fucking corrupt and evil as the most deranged and incompetent liberal. A consumerist economy that requires endless “growth” is a goddamn ponzi scheme. “A merchant has no country.”

      fakeemail

      October 31, 2013 at 10:00 PM

  3. Lion, I would hope you are wrong about the reason for Republican support of amnesty. I mean, could the Republican Party really be that stupid as to think the Hispanic vote is the key to an anti-abortion future? Given there past history, it’s very possible that they are that stupid but it won’t happen:

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/04/04/v-politics-values-and-religion/

    “Foreign-born Hispanics are more conservative than native-born Hispanics about abortion. Nearly six-in-ten (58%) immigrant Hispanics say abortion should mainly be illegal. By contrast, just 40% of second-generation Hispanics and 43% of third-generation Hispanics say abortion should be mainly illegal. The views of second- and third-generation Hispanics closely match those of the general U.S. public.

    When it comes to support for abortion rights, just 35% of immigrant Hispanics say abortion should mainly be legal, while 56% of second-generation and 54% of third-generation Hispanics say abortion should mainly be legal.”

    So in other words, native born Hispanics don’t seem to be any more likely to favor abortion restrictions than any other native group.

    Mike

    October 31, 2013 at 2:31 PM

    • The shutdown controversy poisoned the well for amnesty. This is another reason to vote for Mike Lee, one of the leaders of the govt shutdown strategy.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      October 31, 2013 at 8:59 PM

      • Although I thought the shutdown was bad tactics that damaged the Republicans, , I guess there was a silver lining if it kills immigration for this year.

        Mike

        November 1, 2013 at 8:12 AM

      • The damage to Republicans is short term. Few ordinary voters will remember the shutdown after New Years.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 2, 2013 at 11:10 AM

  4. The problem with Asians is that they tend to live in deeply blue states, so going after their votes is a bit of a waste of time. Also, like you hinted, the GOP would lose too many votes of prole whites in the South and Midwest if they gave up on the abortion issue. Asians may live “conservative” lives, but they vote much like their SWPL neighbors do. Furthermore, Asians nowadays vote slightly more for the Democrats than Hispanics do, which just goes to show how far they have adopted SWPL values.

    As for the GOP’s Hispanic outreach: I am not sure how much of it is for show and how much of it is damage control. The GOP mainly doesn’t want their numbers with Hispanics to get as bad as it is with blacks since so many Hispanics live in swing states or states that could be swing states in the future (like Texas). The Tea Party, for instance, is against amnesty and the GOP leadership is really trying to raise their numbers with white voters (a sort-of Sailer Strategy).

    Jay

    October 31, 2013 at 3:04 PM

    • “Asians may live “conservative” lives, but they vote much like their SWPL neighbors do.”

      It reminds of what they say about the Jews: they earn like Episcopalians but vote like Puerto Ricans.

      Sgt. Joe Friday

      October 31, 2013 at 4:08 PM

      • It’s interesting how you brought this up. Many Jews and Asians don’t see eye to eye, despite having a lot of similarities, but both vote liberal. The former tend to be anti-HBD and the other is pro HBD. Chinese have no qualms about genetic engineering.

        JS

        November 1, 2013 at 11:06 PM

  5. I have traveled all over Latin America for 30+ years, and was married to a Hispanic woman for 8. So I think I have some insight on this.

    Whether it’s Mexico or Panama or Chile, the attitude toward abortion is that (a) if you need one, everybody knows where same can be had, (b) it’s preferable to having a baby out of wedlock (only for the middle class and above, although this could be changing), (c) and it’s no one else’s business if you have an abortion, and certainly no one is going to stop you.

    Oh, and by the way, in that part of the world quite a few Catholic priests drink, do drugs, screw around with women, and even have illegitimate families. In my book, that’s vastly preferable to them dorking little boys.

    The attitudes on gays are similar. Everyone has a family member who is gay or lesbian and they will acknowledge that, but they don’t obsess about either – it just is.

    Hispanics are not natural conservatives, any more than the Democrats in the south were natural conservatives 60 years ago. The old time Democrats might have been in church on Sunday morning, but their politics were almost uniformly left wing and populist.

    I think the only reason people like Jeb Bush continue to push the “Hispanics are natural conservatives” nonsense is because they saw how unsuccessful it was when Bush 43 tried to sell amnesty using the “jobs Americans won’t do” argument. So they’re trying the “natural conservatives” shtick again, hoping to fool enough GOP voters to get it through. If they fail in that endeavor, expect to see people like Bush, maybe McCain, and some others become Democrats, after of course denouncing their former party as being “nativist” or worse.

    Final thought: here in southern California, Hispanics have been ethnically cleansing blacks from their traditional neighborhoods in places like Compton, Inglewood, and so on. If the GOP wanted to appeal to Hispanics, maybe a “don’t like blacks? Neither do we!” approach could work.

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    October 31, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    • If you haven’t, you should check out End of Watch. A surprisingly un-flinching portrayal of the ethnic cleansing you mention. I have some poor cousins who live in Downey and South Gate, and they all say that, actually, they prefer the Hispanics to the blacks.

      Scharlach

      October 31, 2013 at 4:31 PM

      • But we’re not replacing blacks with Hispanics. We’re adding unassimilable non-white Hispanics on top of an unassimilable black population.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        October 31, 2013 at 9:46 PM

      • Interestingly enough, South Gate used to be a mostly white blue collar suburb up till the time the auto assembly and tire plants in the area began to disappear in the late 70s and early 80s. Downey was a nice middle class suburb with lots of aerospace workers and their families living there, but the end of the Cold War decimated defense related businesses here in southern California. Within just a few years over 30,000 jobs at the North American Rockwell facilities in Downey were lost.

        Hard to believe now, but not that many years ago the L.A. area had more manufacturing jobs than any other part of the country. Cars, airplanes, ships, furniture, electronics, you name it.

        Sgt. Joe Friday

        November 1, 2013 at 11:07 AM

      • My parents grew up in Lynwood; my grandfather owned a gas station in Compton. I find it decidedly not hard to believe that these cities used to be full of decent white working-class suburbs. I’ve seen the pictures! Are you still in L.A.?

        Scharlach

        November 5, 2013 at 9:07 AM

    • Very astute points. I was astonished by how many prostitutes there were in Costa Rica, on top of how it was completely legal. Hispanic culture tends to be very laissez-faire when it comes to having “a good time.” Many Christian Americans imagine that Latin Christianity is culturally akin to the Puritanical strains within American Christianity, but that is not the case at all.

      Sid

      November 1, 2013 at 8:50 AM

      • Sgt. Joe Friday and you both make good points. Most US social conservatives will be surprised at what most Hispanics are fine with both here and in Latin America. I know Spanish language well and like that socially liberal outlook so increasing ‘latinization of the US’ some people complain about is fine with me, if anything I support it.

        midclassorprole

        November 2, 2013 at 11:16 PM

  6. I taught ESL to many Hispanic immigrants, and I’ve heard about their thoughts regarding politics.

    They dislike Republicans because Republicans dislike Hispanics. Republican politicians might think well of Hispanics, but the average non-Hispanic Republican voter is much more likely to be hostile towards Hispanics than the average non-Hispanic Democratic voter. Republicans tend to feel more loyal and patriotic to their country and its citizens than Democrats (sorry! It’s true!), so Republicans are more keen to ask, “Why should we give up our land to foreigners?” Republicans also tend to view poverty as a result of inherent or self-chosen deficiencies, so Republicans have less sympathy towards poor immigrants than Democrats do.

    Hispanics aren’t stupid. They understand that Republicans don’t like them, and hence are not interested in voting for Republican leaders. Democrats are also happy to give away money to Hispanics, in a way that Republicans never will be. The Republicans who are happy to accept Hispanics into America tend to have a “white man’s burden” attitude towards Hispanics. They tend to think that Hispanics need to be taught how to be fully American, and that once Hispanics have assimilated American values, they will be about as socially productive as white Americans are. In contrast, Democrats are happy to tell Hispanics that they can keep their language, culture, and all kinds of social benefits that Republicans would be loathe to give.

    So, Republican voters dislike Hispanics. Democrats want to give Hispanics money. Why is anyone still surprised that Hispanics vote Democrat?

    Sid

    October 31, 2013 at 4:08 PM

    • So, Republican voters dislike Hispanics. Democrats want to give Hispanics money.

      That’s why conservatives should outbid the Dems with citizenship buyouts. Non-white Hispanics are just here for money. For, say, $100k per family member most of the Hispanic population would return to their stupid homelands in a second. We can then repopulate California with whites.

      As for the blacks, they’re completely hopeless except, maybe, the top 0.5% of them. It’s time for whites to completely wash their hands of them.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      October 31, 2013 at 8:57 PM

      • Yes, and perhaps we can get the .5% to serve as prison guards when we round up all the rest!

        Seriously dude, blacks are citizens of this country, and have probably been here longer than your family. You should try to tone down this kinda rhetoric. It doesn’t lead to happy places.

        Frankly

        November 1, 2013 at 3:50 AM

      • “It’s time for whites to completely wash their hands of them.”

        Be specific here.

        Sid

        November 1, 2013 at 6:49 AM

      • Be specific here.

        Accept that blacks will never assimilate to become worthy citizens and tailor policy to reflect this fact:

        * Put income and IQ restrictions to bar most blacks from voting like Rhodesia did. They’ve proven in Detroit and other large cities that they are mentally incapable of running their own affairs. Most of them have no business voting given their dysfunctional characteristics.

        * Give money to criminals, drug addicts, inner city teens and long term welfare dependents to use long term contraception or be sterilized to get greatly reduce the black birth rate.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 2, 2013 at 11:17 AM

      • Seriously dude, blacks are citizens of this country,

        We cannot have a functional country in the face of racial diversity because different races produce different cultures due to different average racial cognitive traits.

        The current multicultural setup is bound to collapse anyway because we can’t have a situation where the most important and productive ethnic group (whites) are expected to act in every other ethnic group’s interest while all the others are demographically expanding and are allowed to act overtly in their interest, unless the minorities are at a manageable proportion of the population.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 2, 2013 at 11:26 AM

      • Many White Hispanics are actually proles, that includes Cuban proles. Miami has many of them.

        There 3 most successful White ethnic groups in America are:

        1) Ashkenazis
        2) Greeks
        3) Armenians

        Interestingly and coincidently, these 3 groups are genetically related.

        Cubans fall below these groups, and they also fall below Irish and Italian Catholics.

        The most successful Whites live in liberal cities in the Northeast and on the West coast. Florida is far being a prestige and status inducing region.

        JS

        November 2, 2013 at 4:41 PM

    • Not wanting to be invaded and displaced my Mexicans is the same thing as not liking them?

      fakeemail

      October 31, 2013 at 10:03 PM

      • You don’t like being invaded and displaced, do you?

        Sid

        November 1, 2013 at 6:36 AM

  7. Abortion has been available for a long time in Mexico City. So have gay civil unions and recently gay marriage has joined them.

    But a few hours outside the city in conservative Guanajuato and Querétaro there are villages where women have been put in jail for suspicion of being recently pregnant and then returning from a weekend vacation in Mexico City and not being pregnant.

    Mexico City and Querétaro and Guanajuato are the richest progressive and conservative regions in the Mexican Republic. Neither region has sent significant immigration to the USA in recent years. (Median young college grads in that part of Mexico are actually richer than their US counterparts in SF and NY)

    The latin immigrants of the 90’s were mostly catholic poor rural peasants that never had much interest in abortion or religious right politics but were actual spiritual catholics. Abortion isn’t a christian identity issue to them like it is to white religious right types.

    More recent immigrants from Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, and the most indigenous poor parts of Mexico like rural Oaxaca are more likely to speak indigenous languages and practice a sort of Catholicism that isn’t all that closely related to the Roman Church, much less the Santorum interpretation. They seldom have much opinion on abortion.

    As you say, Lion, they’re still more likely to join the religious right than Asian immigrants are. Asians can tell where they’re not welcome and that’s the Republican Party.

    Owen

    October 31, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    • “Asians can tell where they’re not welcome and that’s the Republican Party.”

      I don’t think it’s a push phenomenon. It’s a pull. Asians have an unerring nose for sniffing out the kool kidz, and you only have to be in America for 20 minutes to understand that Republicans are the epitome of uncool. Just about every instance of every form of media tells you that non-stop. Wealthier Asians probably know that before they even get here because they’ve seen America media.

      Asians are drawn to the Democrats because they want to be on the culturally winning side.

      peterike

      October 31, 2013 at 5:59 PM

  8. The only candidate hispanics vote for is Moe Gibbs.

    destructure

    October 31, 2013 at 4:47 PM

  9. My voting strategy is democractic Federal level and Republican State level. I want Feds keep printing money so my business/investment benefits from it. I want my State and local conservative enough to prevent from bankruptcy since local govementst can not print their own money. Local govement banckrupcy will do a lot of damage to business in the region.

    Pure capitalism interest.

    IC

    October 31, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    • Good point. State and local governments must run a balanced budget as well.

      E. Rekshun

      November 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM

  10. I don’t think that’s the reason (and if it is, it’s based on ignorance: http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=17659118&ref=http%3A%2F%2Ftalkingpointsmemo.com%2Fedblog%2Fhispanics-well-turn-out-to-be-democrats ). And I doubt most Republican elites are hardcore pro-lifers. I think the real reason is social conformity. Even rich and powerful people have a desire to fit in, and if most of the glitterati believe that mass immigration is good (or claim to believe that), there’s pressure on vain Republicans to espouse that too.

    Dave Pinsen

    October 31, 2013 at 5:16 PM

  11. I know a lot of people who are extremely opposed to abortion, and almost without exception they buy into free market capitalism, low taxes, etc. A lot of the most hardcore devout Catholics I know voted for Ron Paul in the last primary.

    Few people remain single issue voters for the long haul. The most fundamental role of politics isn’t to debate specific policy issues: it’s to help people bond with their tribe and fight against the people in the other tribe. Group identity is a core component of human nature. A lot of people ally themselves with a party for a specific reason, but once they get into the trenches of politics the group-bonding emotions kick in, and they start buying into the other positions their new friends take on the various issues.

    This process almost entirely explains why the Republican party is the way it is today. The two core elements of the party are the social issues and the free market issues, and advocates for those issues bonded together beginning in the 1950’s, when they faced a common enemy in the Soviet Union and Marxism. And given the way human nature works, it was inevitable that each component would start to buy into what the other was selling.

    Anon1

    October 31, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    • I agree with your comment.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 31, 2013 at 10:13 PM

    • It is starting to be just a “low taxes, cut spending” party (even though they don’t cut spending). I live in northern Virginia and both Romney and Ken Cuccinelli bombard me with robo calls and campaign literature. It is 100% “low taxes, cut spending, good schools, rah-rah Americay” gimcrack.

      The GOP has completely thrown away the few social issues where the people were still with them – quotas, immigration, bilingual education, death penalty, tough on crime …etc. My neighbors in Loudoun County – SWPL to a man – would be much more likely to vote GOP if the party focused on these issues. But Republican consultants and pollsters are afraid of alienating people who will never vote for them anyway.

      Bernie

      November 1, 2013 at 9:04 AM

    • It was mainly National Review, the dominant conservative magazine of the fifties, that caused the fusion of the social and economic conservatives. Historically, they weren’t allies at all. The pre-National Review right was pretty non-religious. People today have trouble classifying someone like H.L. Mencken as either on the right or left because he was both anti-religion and anti-government. There were lots of others just like Mencken. The leading American atheist of the late nineteenth century, Robert Ingersoll, was invited to give a speech at the Republican convention. Can you imagine any well-known atheist being invited to give a speech at the Republican convention today? Many Asians could be recruited by the Republicans. Most of them don’t benefit at all from welfare or affirmative action and the ones I know don’t really like the blacks and Hispanics who make up the backbone of Democrat support.

      Mark G

      November 1, 2013 at 11:36 AM

  12. There’s a big difference between any person’s views on abortion and their views on welfare-state gibmedats.

    You can be staunchly anti-abortion in your personal convictions and in your actions and, regardless of whether or not abortion is legal, Uncle Samantha will not stand there with a gun to your head forcing you to have an abortion. It’s your choice whether to abort or not. There’s no coercion one way or the other.

    You can be staunchly anti-welfare state in your personal convictions and in your actions, but Uncle Samantha WILL stand there with a gun to your head and force you to empty your wallet so S/he can hand your money over to someone who just LOVES welfare in order to buy that welfare-moocher’s Democrapic vote.

    So the GOP is delusional if it thinks it can eventually win over Mexicans because of its anti-abortion stance, even if most Mexicans are against abortion, because by voting Democrap, Mexicans can have their gibmedats and at the same time honor their anti-abortion convictions. See what a neat trick that is? So the Repukes cannot possibly win more Mexican votes unless they offer more gibmedats than the Democraps.

    dufur maximouse

    October 31, 2013 at 6:43 PM

  13. Elites are in favor of mass immigration because it creates a never-ending servant class.

    There’s nothing more to it. Elites hate menial work and hate having to pay people for it so they want a never ending stream of people who will be properly submissive and who they can pay as little as possible.

    The problem with a servant economy is that the value of al work is degraded.

    cliff arroyo

    October 31, 2013 at 7:07 PM

  14. And another reason was articulated by Gov. Mike Huckabee: large scale 3rd world immigration gives America “a second chance” to prove that we’re not a bunch of racist knuckle draggers. Uh, excuse me Gov. Huckabee, didn’t the 1964 Civil Rights Act kind of address that? And what about the 1965 immigration act? Maybe you’ve got some unresolved racist issues that you have yet to deal with Governor, but don’t make the rest of us pay for it. Go tell to a shrink if it bothers you so much.

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    October 31, 2013 at 7:08 PM

    • With all the black on white crime that happens now in the former Jim Crow America (America’s Boer Genocide), why the hell does Huckabee try to be so PC? I know he’s evengelical, but c’mon, going against your fellow cracker is the greatest sin of all!

      Monroe Ficus

      November 1, 2013 at 6:30 AM

  15. The establishment wing of the GOP hates the anti-abortion crowd anyway, but puts up with them to get votes. Most of the anti-abortion crowd was voting for conservative Democrats 30 years ago and they are NOT economic conservatives: at most, they are moderate (they equally bash corporations as well as government). They’d sooner have the GOP become a minority party like it was from the 30’s to the 80’s: winning the presidency half the time and getting legislation they want passed by playing the different factions of the Democratic Party off each other. And honestly, this is what the GOP is best at doing anyway.

    Bilbo Baggins

    October 31, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    • Well that seems to be the path the GOP is headed for anyway; permanent minority party status. But that’s with or without the anti abortion crowd. But you’re right that the core of the anti abortion folks only care about abortion and could care less about the economic or national security conservatives. Think Rick Santorum. Hates abortion, but is pretty open to big government generally. If it weren’t for the social issues, he would be a Democrat.

      Mike

      November 1, 2013 at 9:29 AM

  16. At least the Republicans got something right.

    Never hire Asians to perform construction work for you. There aren’t many Asian construction companies in America, but there are a few run by the Chinese in NYC, and they are known to perform shoddy work. Mexicans do much better job than they do.

    I have a friend who has a boutique shop in the LES where she hired a bunch of Chinese contractors to do the walling and tile floors in her shop that turned out to be completely unleveled and messy, where she had to rehire another company that employ Mexicans who was able to rectified the problem. The Chinese do charge significantly less than those that hire Mexicans. Not only that, these Asians often come off as taciturn, similar to what one would experience at a Chinese fast food joint.

    What pay is what you get!

    JS

    October 31, 2013 at 7:36 PM

  17. it’s hard to see Hispanics becoming a Republican bloc. I think the Republicans eventually (if not already) become the party for xenophobic white proles while the democrats have pretty much everyone else. funny enough I think Democrats are more likely to accept parts of HBD while Republicans will regard it as “highfalutin college-boy talk”. I say this from my standpoint as middle class half asian/white.

    midclassorprole

    October 31, 2013 at 8:33 PM

    • They might believe it but that doesn’t stop them from watching “Waiting for Superman” and talking about “we have to do something about the education gap in this country!”.

      Monroe Ficus

      November 1, 2013 at 6:32 AM

    • “I think the Republicans eventually (if not already) become the party for xenophobic white proles”

      The same GOP that supports affirmative action quotas, mass immigration, bilingual educations, hate crime double standards, MLK, diversity, multiculturalism …etc.?

      This is why they do t get the vote of “xenophobic” white proles.

      Bernie

      November 1, 2013 at 8:53 AM

  18. Business likes illegal Hispanic immigrants. The illegal ones are easier to exploit, and there is no need to worry about how they would like to vote.

    Southern WASP

    October 31, 2013 at 8:37 PM

  19. The reason Republicans are worried about Hispanics is they saw what happened in California. The Republican governor Pete Wilson used Prop 187 to win reelection in 1994. Prop 187 was a strict anti-illegal alien proposition. It was ruled unconstitutional after it passed, but it helped Pete Wilson get reelected. It also made California Hispanics mostly Democrats. In 1994, Caucasians were still the majority in California, but the handwriting was on the wall that Caucasians would soon be a minority.

    California is the state that gave us Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, but thanks to Prop 187 in 1994, there are no elected state wide Republicans and Democrats have a super majority in both houses of the legislator. Republicans can look at Texas and see very similar population trends to California in the 1990s. If Texas flips to a Democratic state, the gig is up for Republicans at the presidential level.

    Republicans are unlikely to win a majority of Hispanic votes, but getting more than the 20-30% they now get will keep them competitive longer. Texas Republicans like George Bush and Rick Perry got significant Hispanic support, much better than Romney who attacked Perry for allowing illegal aliens in state tuition.

    mikeca

    October 31, 2013 at 10:42 PM

    • The vast majority of Latino voters in California were already Democratic Party voters before Prop 187. What happened in California is that the cheap labor Republicans really wanted the lower wages due to illegal immigration but did not like the higher taxes that all of the illegal aliens caused.

      Maybe the real lesson that the Republicans should learn is that the cheap labor is not cheap and will turn the U.S. into a one party state. If comprehensive immigration reform passes during the Obama Administraiton, the Republicans will receive a smaller portion of the Latino vote than it does now.

      superdestroyer

      November 3, 2013 at 9:23 AM

  20. Many Asian cultures are very collectivist, or at least very much predisposed to big government. It’s a big cultural jump to become Republicans, which are seen as being more individualist. During the middle ages to present, if a European leader sucked, a few people died or there was a dumb war, but that was about it. However, in China, if you had a bad leader, the irrigation plans would go awry and lots of people would starve. So they developed a bigger appreciation for centralized planning over the individual that got ingrained in their culture.

    GMR

    November 1, 2013 at 12:40 AM

  21. Republicans are understanding more and more that Hispanics are actually social liberals. They’re more pro-gay marriage than Americans as a whole. And they LOVE Obamacare. If Republicans don’t fight amnesty as hard as Obamacare, they’ll end up with both.

    Jeff

    November 1, 2013 at 1:04 AM

  22. The GOP likes Hispanics because they are the perfect immigrant from Big Business perspective – they work cheap, they work fairly hard, easier to manage than blacks or lower class whites(i.e. less attitude), they are less disfunctional than blacks, less able to unionize and organize themselves than whites, and their offspring – unlike Asian or white immigrants – will rarely rise in social status and threaten to take college spots or white collar jobs from the children of the GOP elite. The impact of hispanics on LA and NYC has been noticeable over the past 30 years – the drop in crime is partially attributable to hispanics pushing blacks out of formerly very dangerous neighborhoods. Once the hispanics push the blacks out, gentrification can begin. A lot of commentors will reply that 2nd or 3rd generation hispanic immigrants tend to get sucked in by the black and white underclasses and become just as disfunctional. That may be true – but if so, the GOP’ response seems to be simply keep bringing in new Hispanic immigrants to push the disfunctional ones aside.

    Peter the Shark

    November 1, 2013 at 4:31 AM

    • Only Mestizo Hispanics are GOP friendly.

      Puerto Ricans and Dominicans, the lazy Hispanics, are on the same boat with blacks. They are all Liberal minions who vote 99.999….% Democrat.

      JS

      November 1, 2013 at 10:57 PM

      • Puerto Ricans are not immigrants, they live in a US territory and have been US citizens since 1917. Dominicans are a small proportion of hispanic immigrants, especially outside New York.

        Peter the Shark

        November 2, 2013 at 3:23 AM

      • Mestizos are Democrats.

        It’s only white Hispanics (about 15% of the total Hispanic population, ~20% excluding illegals) that are GOP friendly.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 2, 2013 at 11:21 AM

      • Not true, they are many Mestizos who tread conservative. Here is a high profile Republican Mestizo:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Gonzales

        JS

        November 3, 2013 at 8:45 AM

      • Jason Villalba is a Mestizo GOP Hispanic. Some of you may consider him a “White” Hispanic. He’s not, Marco Rubio is more “White” than he is.

        https://www.haynesboone.com/jason-villalba-in-capitol-inside-best-campaign-primary-and-general/

        JS

        November 3, 2013 at 9:00 AM

      • “Puerto Ricans are not immigrants, they live in a US territory and have been US citizens since 1917. Dominicans are a small proportion of hispanic immigrants, especially outside New York”.

        You said the impact of Hispanics has been noticeable in NYC. Plenty of welfare bum Puerto Ricans and Dominicans, who are Hispanics and they vote 100% Democrat. Many Mexicans in NYC don’t vote because they are green card holders at best.

        JS

        November 3, 2013 at 9:09 AM


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