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HBO Girls, Season 3 Episode 7

A commenter writes:

Ugh, this show really is just a platform to display Dunham’s disgusting, pudgy body to the world. The latest episode had her in all of her pear-shaped glory wearing a bikini the whole time while every single other girl changed their entire outfits at least twice.

I agree that this was one of the major points this episode was trying to make. I suppose the other point is that single hipster girls love having gay male friends. And that Shoshana wishes her friends were more Murray Hill and less Willliamsburg/Greenpoint.

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You have to love the NY Times description of an apartment building in Murray Hill:

Windsor Court, which occupies an entire square block between Third and Lexington Avenues at 31st Street, has two towers with 710 apartments. Its lobby is rich with brass, mirrors, marble and brown leather. Colleges like Syracuse, Emory and Michigan seem overrepresented among the tenants, many of whom have their rents subsidized by parents left behind in the suburbs of Westchester County, Long Island and New Jersey.

Parents appreciate Windsor Court because it has a driveway that allows them to drop off comfort packages without hunting for a parking space. Heather Katz’s parents — a dentist and a psychotherapist from Long Island — have dropped off her winter wardrobe, a television and a jewelry box.

On the importance of the laundry rooms:

“If I meet a guy in the laundry room of Windsor Court, he probably has a good job, probably went to a good school,” Ms. Katz explained.

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To clarify what this has to do with Shoshana, Shoshana has always been the girl who was not like the others. The others are hipsters, or in the case of Marnie, someone who isn’t interested in the pecuniary rewards of a career. Shoshana, on the other hand, wants a conventional corporate job like the job writing advertising copy that Hannah quit.

People like Shoshana are far more likely to live in Murray Hill rather than in Greenpoint where Hannah lives with Adam.

The last time I visited Murray Hill, my impression was of a very boring neighborhood. In fact, it’s a wasteland of culture, full of bars and restaurants which look like they belong in a non-Ivy-League college town, lacking the maturity and sophistication of restaurants in more grownup Manhattan neighborhoods. As much as you may hate hipsters, I credit them for creating a neighborhood full of interesting shops and restaurants, not quite grown-up, yet not insulting to one’s sense of creativity.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

February 18, 2014 at 1:22 pm

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  1. I don’t know a single straight man who watches this show


    February 18, 2014 at 2:52 pm

    • If elite assholes and pitiful, wannabee-elite assholes watch something then so shall Lion watcheth it. No matter how stupid or pretentious the Lion will be there to render judgment.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      February 18, 2014 at 8:30 pm

  2. That NYT article reads like satire to me. Alumni, comfort packages, subsidized rent? These people are still living a college life. I’m jealous and alarmed.

    Vince, the Lionhearted

    February 18, 2014 at 3:29 pm

  3. I thought it was a great episode, though yeah, put a robe on already, Lena. Though she did get a bit of comeuppance by not being allowed in the store.

    Single hipster girls totally like having gay friends, who are often only marginally more effeminate than the men they date. But at least the gay friends don’t want sex.

    It was interesting seeing the normally dopey Shoshana accurately point out the inadequacies of her friends. And I’m seriously hoping Marnie is taken out by a serial killer or something, as she has become unbearable.

    As for Murray Hill, at what point do all these subsidized college students get cut off? Most of them are in “jobs” that will never, ever pay enough for those $3,000 a month rents.


    February 18, 2014 at 3:56 pm

    • Yes I felt jealous too. There was no way the sorority girl from Syracuse U who was interviewed for this piece is paying her own way entirely. She seemed sort of ditzy, but she clearly has a good head on her shoulders in regard to selecting boyfriends.

      This girl reminded me of a piece that was in NY Mag a few weeks ago: an overview of salaries in each of NYC’s dominant business sectors. I am surprised Lion did not blog it. Or did he?

      Anyway, the best section of the article is about Public Relations workers. A woman who owns a PR agency says she pays her employees less than $30,000 a year but she still gets 100 resumes a week.

      What the article doesn’t say that the low pay is a result of gazillions of 22-year old women who move to New York to party and possibly meet high-status successful men who are concentrated there, just like the girl trolling the Windsor Court laundry room.


      February 18, 2014 at 5:23 pm

      • Computer programmer types make pretty crappy salaries compared to other white collar professions listed. Medicine is where it’s at.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 18, 2014 at 10:07 pm

      • The tech field for worker drones sucks, not only because of the salaries, but the rapid of obsolescence of technology that are constantly being upgraded, and you must be on a hamster wheel to keep your job. Many IT guys make themselves feel good, by saying anyone who doesn’t know how to troubleshoot technology is a loser. But we’ll know who the real losers are!


        February 18, 2014 at 10:34 pm

      • Most of the upper level BS jobs in NYC are high paying – or what Lion calls value transference.

        Any of you guys who think PUA is alternative way to scoring attractive women in NYC is in for a big surprise. I once spoke to a female dating consultant and she was frank to say money is the most important pickup line when it comes to dating college educated – attractive SWPL women in the Big Apple. Just look at Paul Janka, a good looking Harvard dude with a sh*tty career, who only gets to sleep with frumpy women.


        February 18, 2014 at 10:45 pm

      • Janka is not good looking. He looks like a sleazeball: (1) often duckfaces (2) puts lots of effort in his hair (3) almost always has the exact same amount of stubble.


        February 19, 2014 at 2:32 am

      • Lion, medicine doesn’t seem like such a clear winner to me. Most of the higher paying specialties mentioned in the article are procedural or are less dependent on health insurance for reimbursement. However, there is no guarantee that a person who starts medical school will be able to match into those specialties. There are far more training spots for general internal medicine, family practice, and pediatrics than there are for dermatology, plastic surgery and orthopedics. General internal medicine is a miserable residency (e.g. in-house overnight call every third day on ICU rotations or every fourth day on regular wards). Even the attending physician level work can be draining, and much of their income in the early years is devoted to paying off loans. Computer programmers and other white collar professionals work with other middle class people in nice comfortable offices and never have to deal with bodily fluids.


        February 19, 2014 at 11:09 am

      • much of their income in the early years is devoted to paying off loans.

        Another day another Lion theme has warped the mainstream’s consciousness – House legislation’s been introduced to restore federal and private student debt’s bankruptcy protections. (HR 3892)

        Two points:

        1) When you contact your cowardly Republican congressional/Gubernatorial/Senate candidate about amnesty make sure you scream about them about tuition. Tell them to support more online-ed options and this new bankruptcy bill. The sooner bill like Rubio and Lee’s gain traction the sooner the left is defeated.

        2) LOTB themes are taking over American politics. The return of Peter’s glorious fur pelt, the defeat of amnesty to focus on Obamacare, the rapidly developing fiscal counter-attack against The Cathedral’s academic pillar with online classes and student loan bankruptcy, the surrender of the GOP on the debt ceiling, job destroying robots.

        It’s not even March yet 2014 is already our most politically influential year ever!

        Bullet Points: Inside the 2014 Student Loan Borrowers’ Bill of Rights Act

        The Student Loan Borrower’s Bill of Rights Act, introduced by the Democratic Representative Frederica Wilson of Florida is the first step. The legislation would restore bankruptcy protections for students carrying both federal and private loans, and would limit the collection time to six years. The would also prevent student loan debt from being used to hurt a young person’s credit score and financial future.

        “The soaring cost of college is not only hurting students and their families; it is hurting consumer demand and, in turn, hurting our economic recovery,” Wilson said in an interview with TakePart. “I’m introducing student loan reform now because I think it can improve lives, boost Americans’ purchasing power, and help promote job creation.”

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 19, 2014 at 7:28 pm

      • Janka is not good looking. He looks like a sleazeball:

        Janka must be doing something right because he used to fuck that half-Brazilian hottie ‘Democratic political strategist’ Flavia Colgan.

        Roosh also porked some liberal MSNBC chick.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 19, 2014 at 7:31 pm

    • A lot of people share apartments in the city. That’s why many women in NYC seek Wall St guys or some high status corporate dude, who will solve some of their financial and living issues.


      February 18, 2014 at 6:13 pm

      • I shared a large swanky 1 bed 1 bath with four other people for a summer in Beverly Hills. It was about $2700/5 (updating for inflation), so about the same as sharing a crappy $1200 2/1 with one person in a crappy but safe part of the LA (like Hawthorne).

        It was pretty fun actually for the short term, there were always people to talk to and it encouraged me to spend more time outside doing things and meeting people.

        Speaking of living cheaply in BH, The Slums of Beverly Hills is an awesome movie featuring the mostly extinct species of lower-middle class secular American jews. Lion should watch and blog it.


        February 19, 2014 at 2:42 am

      • According to a recent piece in Gothamist, New York is no longer the city with the highest average apartment rents. The new champion is, yes you guessed it, Williston.



        February 19, 2014 at 9:01 pm

  4. I didn’t watch this week’s episode yet but, to my horror , I woke up on the couch Sunday night to the scene where Hannah is bending over when she runs into her gay ex-boyfriend. Ugh.

    Why does Dunham feel the need to make her character such a repulsive pig-woman? I didn’t even mind her nudity in season one; it seemed natural and while she wasn’t pleasant to look at, I didn’t particularly care. It was like full frontal male nudity. As long as there’s no big deal made about it, it’s easy to ignore. Now she’s going out of her way to make her character disgusting.

    Hannah/Dunham remind me a little of a stripper I used to know. This prostitute used to refuse to date men who wouldn’t perform oral sex on her when she was on the rag. If they couldn’t deal with “war paint” they weren’t worth her time. Last time I checked, this girl was in her mid-30s, childless, single, and writing a feminist blog.

    Otherwise, I’m enjoying season three and the straight comedy direction the show is taking.


    February 18, 2014 at 4:47 pm

  5. “As much as you may hate hipsters, I credit them for creating a neighborhood full of interesting shops and restaurants, not quite grown-up, yet not insulting to one’s sense of creativity.”

    I agree with this. I live in the real life Fishtown that Murray wrote about in ‘Coming Apart’ and if it weren’t for hipster run bar/restaurants, I’d probably live somewhere else.


    February 18, 2014 at 4:59 pm

    • Just checked out the locopez link. What’s with the cash only thing? I encountered it for the first time in recent memory (since ARCO ditched their cash preferred policy) at a restaurant in NYC during a visit. Is credit/debit card fraud so bad in the Northeast businesses need to take such drastic measures or is there some other reason (hostility to fees perhaps?).


      February 18, 2014 at 10:17 pm

      • No, it costs money to have a credit/debit card machine. If anything, cash only business promotes fraud (where businesses do not remit the correct amount of taxes to the authorities). I’m sure your lovely trip to NYC left you with a bad after taste – NYC besides being a garbage dump in most areas with very provincial people in the “greatest city in the world”.

        Although, I might be hard on flyover folks. My trips to Spain, I have met more Americans over there from the Midwest than from NYC, to make a general observation that New Yorkers don’t go anywhere.


        February 19, 2014 at 12:38 am

      • A little under half of dive bars in California are cash only. Places that take CC have slower service and higher prices as a result.

        OF COURSE it is about tax fraud. The 2% fee is easily made up by reduced risk of theft from having lots of cash laying around that has to be watched, countered, deposited, etc, plus many people will spend more on their CC.


        February 19, 2014 at 2:47 am

      • A few of these places put an anti-corporate spin on their tax evasion:

        “According to a Dock Street press release, operating on a cash-only system will allow them to keep the money in the pockets of the 99 percent.”

        I’m not sure about avoiding fees, but Dock Street still does their cash-only Wednesdays and everything is 10% cheaper then.


        February 19, 2014 at 9:16 am

  6. This show makes me ashamed to be white. Whiney, entitled white girls with vapid conversations, staged drama, PC politics and pointless lives.


    February 18, 2014 at 6:05 pm

  7. There is a serious problem, if all the smart and ambitious people from flyover country and also the West Coast want to relocate to the Northeast for jobs and hedonism This goes to show you that America overall, is a sh*tty place.


    February 18, 2014 at 6:16 pm

  8. Last week’s episode – written by one man – was better than this one, which required 3 writers (including Apatow).

    Hannah didn’t quit her corporate writing gig, btw.

    This season continues to make Marnie’s character completely unlikeable.

    Dave Pinsen

    February 18, 2014 at 6:22 pm

  9. I agree that this was one of the major points this episode was trying to make.

    This pear-shaped bitch is pushing it. If she keeps showing off her bod she risks losing the all-important Lion endorsement.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    February 18, 2014 at 8:32 pm

  10. “In fact, it’s a wasteland of culture, full of bars and restaurants which look like they belong in a non-Ivy-League college town.” —————– Are Ivy-League college towns known for hipster bars? Would a Venn diagram of the universe of hipsters and the universe of Ivy-Leaguers have a lot of overlap? Frankly, I’m not 100% sure where hipsters hail from generally, only that I roughly associate the word hipster with the words effeminate and lassitude plus I assume they don’t like digging ditches, fixing broken plumbing or working on cars.


    February 18, 2014 at 10:11 pm

    • “plus I assume they don’t like digging ditches, fixing broken plumbing or working on cars”

      Lots of younger guys in traditional blue collar work like auto repair have hipster clothing and facial hair these days. Being handy with tools allows for both self expression, which is hip and authentic, plus ironic ownership of old used crap that you repair. Also the recession has lasted long enough that many hipsters have been forced to take up trades.


      February 19, 2014 at 2:51 am

    • “Would a Venn diagram of the universe of hipsters and the universe of Ivy-Leaguers have a lot of overlap”

      Good question. I would think some, but not that much, and more women than men since the ranks of publishing and PR hipsterdom is packed with Ivies. My totally random impression is that hipsters tend to be from good but second-tier schools and Liberal Arts focused schools, places like Amherst and Middlebury, and from urban tier 2 schools like Boston University and NYU, since hipsters are drawn to urban centers.

      Ivy League men I would guess are almost immediately too high in the pecking order to be mere hipsters and most probably spend a lot of their hipster years in grad school/law school/med school rather than working at coffee shops.


      February 19, 2014 at 9:46 am

      • I don’t see a difference in appearances when it comes to NYU and Columbia students, except the former tend to be better looking and more popular. Except for very prestigious jobs, I also don’t see a difference in occupational endeavors.

        People need to shut up about the myth behind Starbucks and liberal arts grads. There is no f*cking connection. Most baristas are college students, and not college graduates.

        Many hipsters work at start ups, and many of these guys get paid more than 50K a year.


        February 19, 2014 at 10:42 am

  11. I’ve liked every episode and all the characters. I liked the touch of Lena never changing out of her bathing suit all weekend thing, reminds me of me doing the same while vacationing as a kid, just hopping between the ocean, pool, dinner table, Atari 2600, and bed in the same quick-dry swim trunks.

    Lena is a great example of how young women can be attractive if they have nice faces, even if fairly fat. She might as well show it off while she still can, it won’t be lasting much longer.

    The random non-sexual nudity, as Lena has defended, just reflects life, and adds to the artistic naturalism of the show. TV these days is overscripted and overplotted. Curb Your Enthusiasm was another nice break from excessive plotting and scripting.


    February 19, 2014 at 3:02 am

  12. Vox Day on Lena Dunham and her penchant for displaying her disgusting body:

    MONDAY, JANUARY 13, 2014

    “A naked atrocity”

    There is delusion. There is self-delusion. And then there is Lena Dunham. Now, I have never seen Girls. I have no intention of ever seeing Girls. The idea of spending even a nanosecond watching Sex In The City with ugly New York City girls who are apparently even MORE retarded than Sarah Jessica Parker and company isn’t exactly on my list of Things To Do.

    “I remember looking in the mirror as a kid and it would be like for an hour at a time, and I’d be like: ‘I’m just so beautiful. Everybody is so lucky that they get to look at me.’ And of course that changes as you get older, but I may have held on to that little-kid feeling that was me alone in my bathroom.”

    Yes, lucky. So lucky. That’s the first thing that springs to mind. It doesn’t even look human. It looks like something out of Lovecraft. It looks like something that should be harpooned and processed for ivory and oil. It looks like the Pillsbury Doughboy was raped by a dugong. It looks like something that most certainly should not be displayed without clothes anywhere, least of all on television. If there is a rational argument for Sharia in the United States of America, this is it. Say what you will about Wahhabism, but at least in Saudi Arabia, they’d put a misshapen creature like this in a burqah.

    Some say that beauty is on the inside. But when there is beauty on the inside, some hint of it always shines through. This abomination is pure self-centered ugliness seeping out from within.

    Oswald Spengler

    February 19, 2014 at 6:38 am

  13. OT: Lion-bait. Harvard’s 15 “Hottest Freshmen,” and what a fine multi-culti rainbow it is! Number of overweight people: 0 / 15.


    February 19, 2014 at 4:05 pm

    • I guess the HOT people at Harvard are only 50% white. White people are just too ugly compared to better-looking races.

      Adrienne and Celina, both white, look upper class and very pretty.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 19, 2014 at 4:08 pm

      • FM’s 15 hottest freshmen list has always been ridiculous.


        February 19, 2014 at 4:13 pm

      • No, it’s the Ivy League crowd that tend to be less attractive when compared to the student bodies of the lower tier schools.

        Adrienne is from Middle Village, NY. THAT IS NOT A SWPL neighborhood. She’s of prole – Polish background.


        February 19, 2014 at 4:20 pm

      • So I looked up her house, it’s a 2-family house worth $750K in a very prole neighborhood. Her parents probably bought the house before the real estate bubble when it only cost half that price.

        She doesn’t look prole at all, and she’s into fencing. How many prole girls are into fencing? None.

        UPDATE: article about here in the NY Times:

        She’s an international fencing champion, and attended Bronx HS of Science, so her parents aren’t rich or she would have attended private school.

        Also, she was “she was Miss New York Preteen 2008” which explains why she’s so gorgeous. And she’s also 5’11’ tall and a former champion ballroom dancer.

        And she allegedly “speaks Polish, French and Japanese.”

        This also demonstrates what it takes to get into Harvard.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 19, 2014 at 4:34 pm

      • The Ivy League crowd is certainly less attractive than what you’d find at a place like ASU, I’ll certainly give you that (though looking back, I think there was a whole lot of “grass is greener” thinking going on).

        What I meant by “ridiculous” was that the lists were always full of:

        a) Boring looking people and blatantly obvious “diversity,”, and

        b) Socially inconsequential people.

        P.S. I think the Clare girl is a knockout (and UMC to boot!).


        February 19, 2014 at 4:32 pm

      • Lion – Again, you need to redefine the criteria that makes someone a prole and someone who is a SWPL!

        I say education and values are more important, than having parents with money to be a SWPL.


        February 19, 2014 at 4:47 pm

      • The Farrakhan-ish looking black dude, Zena (yikes), lists his “Concentration” as: “Quantum Physics/Applied Math and a secondary in complete lies.” Heh. It’s almost like he’s making a self-aware HBD joke.

        All the white girls are gorgeous. The black-ish girl looks like she’s already 30. I can’t tell if Mary Brown is half-black or Hispanic (I don’t like her look either way). The Asian girl is pretty meh. And they managed to find a reasonably attractive Indian, which ain’t so easy.

        Did they do these ten years ago? It would be interesting to look back and see “where are they now?” but who has time for that.


        February 19, 2014 at 4:48 pm

      • Adrienne has quite a strong chin.

        Re the black freshmen on the list, only one appears to be a traditional African American. One is from London, and the girl from New York appears to be half Asian.

        This is her mother:

        Her father is a nerdy IT project manager.

        Dave Pinsen

        February 19, 2014 at 5:57 pm

      • Nearly all “blacks” at Harvard are non-traditional blacks. Nigerians and Carribean blacks are overepresented, as are half-blacks. Obama falls into two of those categories. Of the blacks whose ancestors were American slaves, you will amost always find that they come from wealthy families.

        The girl from NY looks blasian to me.

        “By the time she turned sixteen years old, shew was a published author, an accomplished musician and a recipient of the Golden Gavel Award from the Princeton Model Congress.

        Not only that, the teenager plays the viola and is also known for her humanitarian work.”

        And she attended an elite private school:

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 19, 2014 at 6:00 pm

      • @LOTB

        And we all know who else went to St. Ann’s…


        February 19, 2014 at 6:31 pm

      • Nearly all “blacks” at Harvard are non-traditional blacks. Nigerians and Carribean blacks are overepresented, as are half-blacks.

        Like, whateverrrrrrr.

        Meanwhile, somewhere in our dreary ’14 winter mist, the next Steve Jobs weeps as he’s turned down from the Ivies in favor of a quota Queen/King or Asian nonentity. Banished to a public school (or skipping college entirely) he emerges a decade later to make billions in value transference glory. On that day Harvard shall weep as they see how generous those long ago graduated Nigerians (half of whom are in prison), Asians and Muslims are with alumni donations.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 19, 2014 at 7:08 pm

      • The only “normal” American blacks I knew at H were football/basketball players.


        February 19, 2014 at 7:26 pm

      • 1. Claire
        2. Celina, I would have guessed her to be French/Canadian but she’s actually swedish/jewish.
        Everyone else seems fairly average looking. Harvard is very average in terms of looks of the student body.


        February 19, 2014 at 11:02 pm

      • Attractive white Ivy League girls (the only ones who matter) are pretty but flat chested. I blame this on their having intelligent, ectomorph fathers.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 19, 2014 at 11:17 pm

      • Oh, the editor of National Lampoon is a mean looking black girl undergrad.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 19, 2014 at 11:22 pm

      • The white Harvard guys are attractive. Hopefully they’re looking for chicks at the state schools since, as we can see, the Harvard girl beauty average is sadly trapped in the ‘meh’ range.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 19, 2014 at 11:25 pm

      • Pietro looks alpha for 18 YO. Hunter looks like he could become alpha if he drops his naivete. Archie = douchebag. He’ll make a fearsome value transferer one day. I can’t get a read on Kennedy. Lucy looks exactly like every other Asian woman on the planet. The blacks should be deported to Liberia. That’s all for tonight.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 19, 2014 at 11:31 pm

    • And do they identify any gay ones? There’s GOTTA be some gay ones.


      February 19, 2014 at 4:51 pm

  14. I think the Clare girl is a knockout (and UMC to boot!).

    Does she have mulatto ancestry? In some of the pics, she reminds me of the Puerto Ricans from the housing projects.


    February 19, 2014 at 5:15 pm

    • Clare is from Larchmont, an expensive suburb in Westchester, not far from where the Clintons live.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 19, 2014 at 6:01 pm

      • I know that. She isn’t hot at all. She looks like one of those archetypical ghetto “White” Hispanics found in NYC. No way someone like her, blends in well with SWPLs, just as that guy in one of the pics.


        February 19, 2014 at 7:27 pm

      • @ JS

        You are absolutely out of your mind. Seriously.


        February 19, 2014 at 11:04 pm

      • With red hair, freckles and McClintock for a last name how can she not be Irish?

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 19, 2014 at 11:20 pm

      • @renault. Seconded.


        February 20, 2014 at 12:09 am

      • Really? I just said she looks like one of those White Mulatto types, who belong in the housing projects in NYC or the Puerto Rican Day parade, at certain angles.

        Only Adrienne and Celina pass the White test, from that crowd of people.


        February 20, 2014 at 12:29 am

      • And also Emily, who is really unattractive.


        February 20, 2014 at 12:33 am

      • Renault, it was only the ladies I was talking about.


        February 20, 2014 at 12:36 am

      • With red hair, freckles and McClintock for a last name how can she not be Irish?

        Who said she was NOT Irish? To me, she hints negroid admixture.


        February 20, 2014 at 9:51 am

  15. OT Lion, but maybe the tech venture capitalist Brad Feld reads your blog:

    Dave Pinsen

    February 20, 2014 at 1:25 am

  16. Speaking of hot, elite-college girls, here is a clip from the HS show in which a beta male is presented with a Stanford, Columbia med student.

    go to 23:50

    OF all the girls that he’s presented with, he prefers her (even though all the other girls were bangable/wifeable.


    February 21, 2014 at 10:48 pm

    • What’s the defining line between beta and omega? Most normal guys are beta, and that guy in the video doesn’t look like an average chump, he seems more like a basement dweller omega type.


      February 23, 2014 at 9:50 am

  17. Can’t they just put this show out of its misery? I mean 600K viewers with maximum hype. Or at least rename it to Rich Dads.


    February 23, 2014 at 7:46 am

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