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City College

Above is a photo, which took on Saturday, of City College in Harlem.

Once upon a time, like back in the 1960s and before, City College was considered the Harvard of public colleges and universities. Nine Nobel Laureates graduated from City College, more than any other public school in the country. And the tuition was 100% free. That’s right, it was totally free.

Today, City College is just another crappy public school and the tuition has increased to $5,730. A good deal as far as college tuition goes, and a quite a bargain compared to for-profit schools that charge twice as much or more for an even crappier education, but still a lot more expensive than free.

The end of City College as a quality school is explained in a Wikipedia article:

In 1969, a group of Black and Puerto Rican students occupied City College demanding the integration of CUNY, which at the time had an overwhelmingly white student body.[12] The occupation spread to other CUNY campuses, forcing the Board of Trustees to implement a new admissions policy. The doors to CUNY were opened wide to all those demanding entrance, assuring all high school graduates, despite possible inadequacies of preparation, entrance to the University.

Recently in the comments, I suggested the benefits of free college education, and a commenter was outraged at the idea that “adults” should be provided with free education. Yet back in the 1960s, when real GDP-per-capita was supposedly half of what it is today, we could somehow afford to provide free quality education for adults, instead of crappy education today that costs significantly more.

In the book The Second Machine Age, which I reviewed yesterday, the authors made the argument that the official GDP number underreports how well we are doing because it fails to account for how technology has improved our lives. Yet here is a counter example of how things have gotten worse since the 1960s, and the official GDP number doesn’t account for that either.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

February 23, 2014 at 12:17 PM

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  1. The money that used to be spent on higher education, libraries, in fracture, and other benefits is now spent of food stamps, AFDC, social security disability, and pensions. If the U.S. really wants to have cheaper higher education, it needs to get its social welfare spending under control. Think of the money spent on special education and juvenile criminal justice rather than college for the middle class.


    February 23, 2014 at 12:31 PM

    • The money that used to be spent on higher education, libraries, in fracture, and other benefits is now spent of food stamps, AFDC, social security disability, and pensions.

      And the military, law enforcement, spycraft, and nation-building.

      E. Rekshun

      February 23, 2014 at 1:43 PM

      • Actually, percent of GDP spent on military is half of what it was back in the 1950s and 1960s.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 23, 2014 at 3:13 PM

      • Military spending creates jobs.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 23, 2014 at 7:40 PM

    • That’s the difference between a nation that focuses on the winners than the losers. You could call the latter compassionate, but so what?


      February 23, 2014 at 11:51 PM

  2. Blacks and hispanics = stupid.


    February 23, 2014 at 1:10 PM

    • Not that I don’t agree with you. But SWPLs in NYC are more inclined to be around blacks and Hispanics in NYCs, than with East Asians, despite the latter group coming across as more civic minded.


      February 23, 2014 at 1:29 PM

      • Around? Maybe, just due to sheer numbers in NYC.

        But just because you walk past a few brothers on the street or are served by one at a store doesn’t mean you spend more time around NAMs than Asians.


        February 23, 2014 at 3:38 PM

      • And I would also further elaborate that SWPLs and Proles get into same habitual degeneracies, that blacks and Hispanics get into, such as drug use and heavy drinking, hence the commonalities, which East Asians don’t share.


        February 23, 2014 at 3:57 PM

      • Maybe, Renault!

        Williamsburg Hipsters partying with a bunch of NAMs in the housing projects. Puerto Ricans, smoking up a joint with White Hipsters. Only in NYC!

        And I have known quite a number of SWPL women by Alphabet city in the East Village, who fooled around with Hispanic and black dudes. Of course, these aren’t your typical Ivy League grads, but the same type of girls whose parents would subsidize their rent.

        I don’t think they’ll go to Chinatown or some other Asian neighborhood for that.


        February 23, 2014 at 5:20 PM

      • Aren’t you really referring to female SWPLs?

        By the way, I noticed the Kanazawa was pilloried for discussing this back in 2011 or so. And, just a year later his contentions are receiving support from other researchers (not that this will result in back peddling by his accusers — when are they ever obligated to do so?).


        February 23, 2014 at 5:57 PM

      • Not to mention, there is certain alphaness found in NAMs, that some SWPL women find them attractive, which is found in a small subset of White men, and definitely not in East Asian men.


        February 23, 2014 at 7:22 PM

      • SWPLs secretly disdain East Asians, although they shared certain values and similar income levels. Proles tend to dislike everybody else other than their own.

        SWPLs will befriend NAMs, and will geniunely become friends with some of them, if they show enough affability to engage with them.


        February 23, 2014 at 7:26 PM

      • Aren’t you really referring to female SWPLs?

        Female SWPLs and women in general, are also turned off by the betaness of East Asian males, but I say physical attractiveness is the key reason.


        February 23, 2014 at 7:33 PM

      • It’s quite bizarre and highly hypocritical how feminist hipster liberal arts women are very quick to deride any perceived slight instance of “MISOGYNY!” or “RACISM!” uttered by a mild-mannered white or Asian, but are happy to sing along to hip hop songs with lyrics full of words as bitches, hoes, sucks mah dick, slut, put my pipe up her ass, niggah, pimp, hoe, bitch, etc.


        February 24, 2014 at 2:38 AM

      • Being cool with blacks is a cool thing.

        And again, not to be an advocate, a decent black guy is definitely worthy of association for liberals, especially with SWPL women.

        I was really pointing the mere fact that Asians have nothing in common with SWPLs, either culturally or socially, despite both groups attending the same schools. Occasionally, you have a token Asian woman among them, but by in large, SWPLs don’t really like Asians.


        February 24, 2014 at 9:24 AM

      • This is a vast exaggeration. White have more in common with Asians than they do with blacks. Go to any comic book, science fiction, or gaming convention, and you will see nerdy white guys hanging out with nerdy Asian guys. It’s very diverse.

        When I attended Penn, it was the black students who had their own section of the cafeteria; the Asian students hung out with whites.

        And from personal experience, my best friend when I was in law school, was half Japanese.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 24, 2014 at 9:32 AM

      • Lion – Not an exaggeration!

        Who cares about beta nerds into comics? High status SWPLs will eagerly accept blacks into their crowds, if they come across as affable, much more than Asians. Further, Asians generally don’t share much in common with SWPLs socially, because they tend to be less pro-social or extroverted, where as blacks are just as sociable as SWPLs.


        February 24, 2014 at 9:43 AM

      • There are probably as many people into comic books as there are hipsters in Williamsburg, it’s just that the comic book fans have a lower profile in the MSM.

        People always keep telling me there’s a world outside of New York City. So I’m agreeing you. Outside of NYC, whites and Asians are doing all sorts of things together like playing video games, enjoying comic books, whatever else regular people do.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 24, 2014 at 11:01 AM

      • You were in UPenn in the 80s? That was so different from today.


        February 24, 2014 at 9:50 AM

      • I guess you are agreeing with me when I said higher status SWPLs don’t associate with Asians, especially Asian men. This seems to be true that non-Hipster SWPLs in NYC (and the Northeast in general) are a notch above those from other parts of the nation, given the high cost of living and exclusive value transference careers found in the city that attracts a higher class demographic. Not only are these SWPLs wealthier, but they are usually better looking than Whites on the West Coast, the high proles of the Midwest and low proles of the South, who are more likely to associate with Asians, than the White population here in the Northeast.


        February 24, 2014 at 12:19 PM

      • “High status SWPLs will eagerly accept blacks into their crowds,”

        At least they do in TV ads.


        February 24, 2014 at 1:56 PM

  3. Nice picture!

    City College is 2 stops away from Columbia on the IRT 1. The commuting NAM students ride the same train with the Ivy Snobs.

    In regards to Puerto Ricans, some of them (the “Whiter” ones) are actually closer to Proles/SWPLs in habits, than East Asians, who tend to attend the same schools with Whites, but don’t resemble them, either physically or culturally.


    February 23, 2014 at 1:18 PM

  4. I think one revolutionary aspect of the past 40 years, mostly unreported, has been the rising sophistication of voter turnout using first computers and direct mail and later facebook, etc. I know this isn’t your area of specialty, but it might warrant a post. The Ds great secret was raising the bar for voter turnout, targeting those people who mostly didn’t vote; exactly the people who shouldn’t vote; the young and feckless, those from multi-generation dependency families, etc. The media and scholars like to report on ideology because they can understand it and they have access to the information. Voter technology, on the other hand, is mostly kept under wraps.

    I imagine that MLK fully understood that the greatest value to Blacks from better access to the polls lay not in easing their transition into self-determination and economic independence but in leveraging their voting power to siphon more and more public spoils their direction. They, and their patrons, the D party have succeeded at this endeavor in presidential elections (where black turnout is in the high 90s) and hope to replicate their successes with off-year elections. Their successes in this direction have also operated as a gravitational pull on the D party bringing it back to its Tammany roots. Of course, one side effect is that more and more of the economic and social capital of the nation is devoted to spoils distribution rather than economic advancement.


    February 23, 2014 at 1:21 PM

    • And AG Holder is trying to grant voting rights to convicted felons.

      E. Rekshun

      February 23, 2014 at 1:45 PM

  5. More proof that everything NAMs touch, they destroy.

    Oswald Spengler

    February 23, 2014 at 1:46 PM

    • Don’t you find it odd that White transplants from the Midwest would rather come to NYC and live amongst NAMs as neighbors, than to stay in their boring rust belt towns?


      February 23, 2014 at 4:01 PM

      • Seems to me that NYC is a fairly segregated place. For the most part.


        February 23, 2014 at 7:54 PM

      • Most American cities are segregated. NYC is less segregated, because different groups interact with one another on a daily basis.

        NAMs in NYC are not in a worse shape when compared to those in other liberal parts of America, such as the SF-Bay Area. I’ve seen some housing projects in other parts of the country which reminds me of prison camps.


        February 27, 2014 at 10:05 AM

  6. “Free education” my ass. 8% of my property taxes go to the local Community College. Do you really think the spending per student is a good value? Quality education? High graduation rates? Students at for-profits may be wasting their money, but they aren’t wasting mine. Snark aside, I’d like to see an honest comparison of say U of Phoenix and our local Community College.

    February 23, 2014 at 2:17 PM

    • In the Fall, Brevard County, Florida plans to ask the the voters to raise the state sales tax from 6% to 6.5% for sales made in the County. The new funding will be dedicated to new schools, and repair & maintenance. About 33% of my property tax now funds schools.

      Smartest Woman on the Internet

      February 23, 2014 at 3:32 PM

      • I bet the majority of the rest supports law enforcement, prosecutors and corrections officers. And, I’d also bet that a good percent of that 33% pays for ‘special education’ teaching assistants who sit in schools all day long there to alleviate the anxieties of some child with a behavior problem which is really a discipline or intellect problem. You cannot imagine how much of your tax dollars go to managing and supporting the very lowest rung of society. It is much more than simple income support.


        February 23, 2014 at 7:48 PM

    • They are wasting your money because the loans that students need to attend for for-profit colleges are federal loans.


      February 23, 2014 at 4:06 PM

      • Assuming they default, then yes they are. I would like to see an honest accounting.

        February 23, 2014 at 6:48 PM

    • Back in the 1930s-60s, City College was essentially a wealth transfer mechanism from wealthy Anglo- Dutch- and German Jewish American New Yorkers (who paid most of the taxes) to bright East European Jewish and Italian immigrant kids. Since the Jews and Italians were smart and very political, they had the leverage to make that happen. Destroying City College behind them by letting in NAMs in the late 1960s was a good move from the new elite point of view, making it harder for any new immigrants (particularly Asians) to pull themselves up.

      Petr Akuleyev

      February 24, 2014 at 3:39 AM

      • Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by ignorance or stupidity.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 24, 2014 at 6:49 AM

      • It’s neither malice nor stupidity. It’s the collective result of thousands of individuals making decisions in their own individual best interest.

        Petr Akuleyev

        February 24, 2014 at 9:40 AM

      • People only make decisions in their best interest that affect them directly, like choosing which school to send their OWN children to.

        When it comes to collective interest, such as voting for an education policy, their vote doens’t really affect them directly, so they can vote their conscience or whatever makes them feel good. But you could argue it’s in their psychological self-interest to feel righteous and morally superior.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 24, 2014 at 9:42 AM

      • Asians are overrepresented in the CUNY public schools, so Petr is wrong in that regard.


        February 24, 2014 at 1:09 PM

  7. “Yet here is a counter example of how things have gotten worse since the 1960s, and the official GDP number doesn’t account for that either.”

    Just to play Devil’s advocate for a moment, is this really an example of how things have gotten worse? So City College is no longer free, but maybe its professors and staff have better pay and benefits now than they did 50 years ago? And the quality of a City College education hasn’t necessarily declined, just the quality of its average student. The smart students haven’t disappeared or been denied educations, they are just going elsewhere now.

    Open admissions at City College is just a symptom of a broader issue, which is that it makes political sense for Democrats to subsidize poor people living in expensive cities, even though it makes little economic sense to do so. It would be more economical to have people perpetually reliant on public assistance live in less expensive places, where that assistance would be cheaper to provide.

    Dave Pinsen

    February 23, 2014 at 2:57 PM

    • I’ll play Devil’s advocate for a moment as well:

      You really have to understand NYC became this desirable city for SWPLs overnight, without taking into account of the undesirables that have been in the city before the gentrification process.

      We could care less if blacks and Hispanics are in City College, if NYC today is still the same crime ridden sh*thole 30 years ago.


      February 23, 2014 at 3:49 PM

      • Also, most SWPLs send their kids to private schools while NAMs flood public schools. Look at the enrollment numbers; the numbers leans much heavier towards NAMs than non-NAMs relative to overall ethnic demographic of the population.


        February 24, 2014 at 2:42 AM

      • There is a form of hypocrisy coming from SWPLs, who want to segregate themselves from NAMs, but choose to live in a city where they are their neighbors, who serve them coffee, bring them packages and perform other menial tasks for them. Basically, they will not be able to enjoy such amenities/services without them.


        February 24, 2014 at 9:35 AM

      • Until robots are able to do that stuff. Amazon is already testing package-delivery aerial drones. And Google is developing self-driving trucks. Once the truck gets to its destination, a “telepresence” robot, manned by a low-paid guy in India or China, can carry the package to the house or apartment.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 24, 2014 at 9:39 AM

      • Gee! And when will these remote controlled UPS/Fedex trucks roll out to replace NAM drivers? 2030, the earliest?


        February 24, 2014 at 11:30 AM

      • Most UPS delivery drivers are prole whites.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 24, 2014 at 11:52 AM

      • Not in Manhattan, a significant portion of delivery drivers are black, especially when it comes to Fedex.


        February 24, 2014 at 12:26 PM

      • @JS: Not in Manhattan, a significant portion of delivery drivers are black, especially when it comes to Fedex.

        That’s interesting considering FedEx drivers are not FedEx employees, but rather are independent contractors and own & operate their own trucks and routes.

        Smartest Woman on the Internet

        February 24, 2014 at 5:41 PM

      • “bring them packages and perform other menial tasks for them.”

        Didn’t you ever watch 50’s tv shows. They always had 12 year old boys delivering the groceries to the housewives.


        February 24, 2014 at 9:18 PM

      • FedEx has drivers that are independent contractors and some who are employees.

        I don’t think any NAM drivers for FedEx in NYC own the delivery trucks. I’ve come across a NAM who was a FedEx driver and he gets a W-2 for tax reporting.


        February 26, 2014 at 7:37 PM

    • “And the quality of a City College education hasn’t necessarily declined, just the quality of its average student.”

      As the quality of the average student declines, the quality of the education declines. To resist is futile . .

      ice hole

      February 24, 2014 at 9:50 AM

    • “And the quality of a City College education hasn’t necessarily declined…”

      The conjecture that it has or has not declined is easy enough to prove using the standard measurements by which colleges are ranked if you wanted to do the calculations yourself (not at all practical). Or, you could trust the experts and compare national college rankings that include the 1960s City College and those that include present day city college.

      The point is that its ridiculous to say “maybe” when it comes to wondering about a college’s quality. Frankly, I take LOTB at his word about the City College’s quality decline. If you want to contradict his claim, then provide your source. I also think that the quality of the average student, gleaned by spending any time on campus and interacting with and observing the student body, will likely serve as a fine proxy for an educational quality estimate. They can’t fail a college full of dullards, can they?


      February 25, 2014 at 10:04 PM

      • City College is now ranked around #200 or #300 or so, which is not horrible for a public school, but it used to be like Berkeley is today, the best public school in the country.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 25, 2014 at 10:49 PM

      • Browsing through LinkedIn public profiles, I found a quite a number of Hispanic graduates from City College, who come across as self actualizing. Some of them were liberal arts majors like bobos.

        Go perform a search with names like “Garcia” and “Hernandez”, LinkedIn and City College New York.


        February 26, 2014 at 7:40 PM

      • Hispanics (with the exception of the Mulatto Hispanics) would do well in City College with their less strenous curriculm. They can obtain a well rounded education for a fraction of the cost of what SWPLs pay at the Ivies. Even with Dominicans (who tend to have a lot of Black ancestry), are ashamed to be associated with NAMs. Their self hatred might be a good thing. Self hating NAMs are lot better than Black supremacists. They at least acknowledge the flaws of being black in this country or elsewhere.


        February 27, 2014 at 9:59 AM

  8. The most proximate cause of the City U decline is caving in to the leveling impulse of blank-slatism. When the blacks and Puerto Ricans raised a fuss, the proper response should have been: “any black or Puerto Rican who meets the admissions standards will get in.” Which was probably the case.

    Of course, that would lead to exactly the end-result everyone was upset about: a largely white student body (the # of Asians in New York at that time being minimal). Meritocratic results are fiercely offensive under an ideology of extreme equality. Everyone is just as good as everyone else! Uh huh.

    So the College caved and the predictable results followed.

    Economically things have clearly gotten worse for the working classes since the 60s in terms of quality of life. But that’s another story.


    February 23, 2014 at 3:29 PM

  9. I graduated Brooklyn College in 1957, also went to CCNY engineering until I flunked out. Yes, it was close to free – there was a $30 or so term fee for student activities. My sense of the quality of the instruction is that it was about average to that of present-day 4 year colleges. At graduate school at Harvard (1959-63), the profs. were far more competent. Cost ~$2000 the first year; I was given a very generous “scholarship” in subsequent years. And now it is 2014.

    Mike Eisenstadt

    February 23, 2014 at 4:06 PM

  10. I’d like an explanation for what is really going on with these numbers.

    If people got free schooling, and it was astoundingly cheap or free normally back then, and if one employed man could afford to buy a large house with land and support a family, the wealth/money must be somehow stolen and transferred to bankers.

    That means all the macro-economic data is just cooking the books.

    Real wealth has radically decreased in the last 40 years while we’re told smartphones make up for it.

    What is actually going on here with the GDP-related numbers? How is this actually possible?


    February 23, 2014 at 4:24 PM

    • Yes, the top 1% own significantly more of the national wealth than they did 50 years ago. This is hardly a secret.

      Petr Akuleyev

      February 24, 2014 at 3:40 AM

      • It’s statement that’s repeated a lot, but I’m not sure that hardcore economic conservative types believe it, and they certainly don’t believe it’s a problem of any sort.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 24, 2014 at 6:49 AM

    • A lot of money now is siphoned off to support a large underclass. When I was a child in Indianapolis fifty years ago there was a small slum area on the westside. Now that slum is huge and spreads all the way across the city. We also have our own nomenklatura now of wealthy highly paid government employees and that uses up a lot of money. The large middle class that could afford a decent house based on the income of one employed husband has been shrinking for the past fifty years.


      February 24, 2014 at 8:35 AM

  11. Here are the student demographics of City College:

    23.8% Asian
    21.7% Black/African-American
    34.4% Hispanic/Latino
    20.0% White

    A sizeable Asian population and a significant amount of Whites. I gather both groups are immigrant types, with Whites mostly hailing from Eastern Europe and Russia, with a sprinkle of prole here and there.


    February 23, 2014 at 4:54 PM

    • Whites are actually significantly underrepresented, because NYC is 44% non-Hispanic white. But since City College is no longer a world-class school, there’s no need for prole whites to commute to Harlem when they can attend Brooklyn College or the College of Staten Island.

      However, you appear to be looking at old statistics. This article says that Asians are now 36.8% of City College:

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 23, 2014 at 5:34 PM

      • I’ve posted a while ago that the CUNY schools have become increasingly Asian.


        February 23, 2014 at 7:27 PM

      • And Hispanics would be Puerto Ricans and Dominicans, who are definitely smarter than NAMs. I see them equivalent to the Italian proles of the past, who weren’t smart enough to become the elite, but smart enough to not be like blacks.


        February 23, 2014 at 7:30 PM

  12. It was the same deal at the 3-tier California system back in the day. City colleges like LACC and PCC were astoundingly good bargains, and state college practically free too. In th e60s UC did start this little “fee” game to disguise tuition increases, but still.


    February 23, 2014 at 5:51 PM

  13. anyone who is outraged that higher ed should be free is a MORON. formal education, lectures, etc. is a very long holdover from a time before the printing press and before the reintroduction of paper to europe. i can say, unequivocally, that every second i’ve spent in a classroom or commuting or waiting in between lecture times has had a NEGATIVE influence on my intellectual development since at least age 15.

    professors and senior high school teachers are THIEVES plain and simple. in an ideal world they’d be in prison with chi-mos and drug dealers. administrators are even worse.

    the education bubble is necessary to the functioning of a neo-liberal economy in the developed world. that is, it’s another example of people being paid to do nothing.

    jorge videla

    February 23, 2014 at 8:02 PM

    • I think every White collar worker is a thieve. The only real workers are blue collar, who do all the heavy lifting.


      February 23, 2014 at 9:40 PM

      • but are engineers and software people “blue collar”? my test is, if you woke up tomorrow and a certain fraction of the workforce didn’t show up would you notice? would you eventually notice?

        adding up the essentials on the bls page which categorizes employment…manufacturing, agriculture, mining, construction, transportation and warehousing, utilities, etc. this adds up to about 20%. which isn’t to say that all of the rest are redundant, just that almost all of the rest are redundant.

        jorge videla

        February 23, 2014 at 11:33 PM

      • Engineering is prole to the SWPL parasite, so it’s blue collar.


        February 24, 2014 at 12:28 PM

      • To believe that is to believe that our society is held together and advanced mostly by physical labor. While I have the utmost respect for all blue collar workers (having worked some of the most difficult blue collar jobs you could imagine – from junkyards to construction waterproofing to dishwashing and more), reality doesn’t really bear that out. Africa isn’t the way that it is simply because no one will pick up a shovel.


        February 25, 2014 at 10:15 PM

  14. I am studying at a third tier university called Smogon University.


    February 23, 2014 at 9:13 PM

    • “Critic Doctor editor Peter Sobczynski described the befriending of Latias and series protagonist Ash Ketchum as a “moppet version of Mandingo.” —————- Sure you don’t attend this college?


      February 24, 2014 at 12:14 AM

    • I’m at Faber College. “Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.”

      E. Rekshun

      February 24, 2014 at 5:47 PM

    • Blacks would be more productive at Smogon U than City College, given the fact of their low future time orientation and carpe diem behavior.


      February 24, 2014 at 7:33 PM

  15. Curle

    February 23, 2014 at 10:49 PM

  16. It’s quite bizarre and highly hypocritical how feminist hipster liberal arts women are very quick to deride any perceived slight instance of “MISOGYNY!” or “RACISM!” uttered by a mild-mannered white or Asian, but are happy to sing along to hip hop songs with lyrics full of words as bitches, hoes, sucks mah dick, slut, put my pipe up her ass, niggah, pimp, hoe, bitch, etc.


    February 24, 2014 at 2:39 AM

    • women will submit to alphas and hate betas. they know asians are beta, however when they see a thuggish prole or NAM they will submit its in their nature to led my strong men. has been since the beginning of time


      February 24, 2014 at 7:04 AM

      • Non-Asian Women in general, don’t find Asian men physically attractive and their betaness is offputting. That’s 3 strikes, if you want to say race is a deciding factor.


        February 24, 2014 at 9:55 AM

      • Or, they are hardwired to not be able to stand to be in rebellion of group-think. The MSM condones endorsement of black gangsta culture, and condemns endorsement of and association with ethnic European group politics and male rights movements. I think this makes the decision emotionally simple for most (but not all) women. There are the rare women with the intelligence, character and integrity of a warrior. They should not be lumped in with my generalization.


        February 25, 2014 at 10:20 PM

  17. LION, you want to give NAM’s free welfare and endless make work jobs. what will keep them from increasing their numbers exponentially, causing higher taxes and increased government bureaucracy on the backs of those who create real value for a living? eventually it will get to a point where the number of NAMs to support will greatly outstrip the funds available. we are on the way to brazil, a violent country ruled by upper class whites trying to control a violent majority of blacks and hispanics.


    February 24, 2014 at 7:11 AM

    • The current system only gives women welfare money if they have children.

      So a basic income, given out regardless of whether a woman has children, should cause the birthrate to decrease, because it no longer rewards giving birth.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 24, 2014 at 9:31 AM

      • liberalism beget more liberalism. if you give them a basic wage next time voting comes around they will demand more. look at the obama cell phone program. its a endless cycle of creating more government programs.


        February 24, 2014 at 12:37 PM

  18. re UPS drivers: here in Norcal, most by far are black. I know a Persian flower seller who refuses to use UPS
    for just that reason. He uses DHL because the prole whites seem to work there.

    albino bobb

    February 24, 2014 at 2:16 PM

    • (Lol…) True dat, Middle Easterners are wary of blacks more than other groups, including Asians.

      I’ve never seen a black driver for DHL.


      February 24, 2014 at 8:20 PM

      • middle easterns in their home countries have exposure to africans. they then maintain their experiences and apply it when coming to the new world


        February 25, 2014 at 11:03 AM

      • Muslims were also the first to enslave Sub Saharans.


        February 25, 2014 at 11:15 PM

  19. “Yet here is a counter example of how things have gotten worse since the 1960s, and the official GDP number doesn’t account for that either”

    That is not true. The official GDP number accounts for that. Tuition / student debts etc increase GDP.

    Heinz Hommler

    February 24, 2014 at 3:08 PM

  20. Its possible to provide a free education to the top 20% of society (intelligence-wise). They require fewer tutors, counselors, etc.
    When you allow 80% of society to go to college, you will naturally need more support systems

    Half Canadian

    February 24, 2014 at 7:46 PM

  21. Those buildings are kind of a rococo joke, actually. What happened was a bunch of secular democrats looked at the Anglo and European academies with their gothic architecture, aristocratic patrons, Classical scholars, and august, associated institutions of the Church and military officer corps and thought hey, everybody should have that. For free! And if we build it to look like Ye Olde Oxford, it will be!

    Of course, the only reason the Academy is the Academy is precisely and only because it’s a redoubt of aristocratic privilege and part of the Nation’s patrimony. Now that the Academy is secularized, democratized and purportedly meritocratic, it’s just glorified trade school.

    University education is not a public good, which is why secular democracies should not be providing them.

    The Anti-Gnostic

    February 25, 2014 at 7:49 AM

    • “And if we build it to look like Ye Olde Oxford, it will be!”

      the cargo cult mentality is almost ubiquitous in the developed world and especially in america…where the outward appearance is associated with the status or accomplishment and therefore presumed to Effect it.

      jorge videla

      February 25, 2014 at 10:35 PM

      • Do you really think that a campus’ appearance is a meaningless factor? Someone that those involved with the schools should completely ignore?

        If my alma mater’s campus looked like SUNY Cortland I’d kill myself.


        February 25, 2014 at 10:59 PM

      • * something


        February 25, 2014 at 10:59 PM

      • In NYC, campus appearance would be less meaningful. There are many ugly structures in the city, yet it attracts many people, because it’s Manhattan.

        Lincoln center for example is butt ugly, but it attracts bobos wanting to watch opera and ballet. NYC is generally dirty and ugly as hell, but many people want to live here or come here to have a blast.

        Location, location, location!


        February 26, 2014 at 10:00 AM

      • Jorge – By the way, Madrid or Barcelona is 100X nicer than Oslo or Copenhagen. But of course, Nordic countries are of a higher status.


        February 26, 2014 at 10:12 AM

      • A good example how location affects status, look no further to Columbia University in New York. It has more status than the other Ivy schools such as these.

        Who gives a rat ass about Darkmouth or Brown, or even UPenn, because they are located in Podunk towns? Should I mention Cornell? Basically, a trade school for many Asian STEM students.

        HYP have de facto status, because many high profile individuals come from these schools.


        February 26, 2014 at 11:22 AM

      • btw js, i doubt it. i’ve never been, but my brother was a student at tulane and he told me madrid was like new orleans. my dad told me he loved spain because it was full of people like himself, night people. i’d love this too. imagine a siesta in the us. “sorry bossman my noon time nap lasted longer than i expected.” to which bossman responds, “you’re fired.”

        jorge videla

        February 26, 2014 at 9:22 PM

      • To compare Madrid with New Orleans is an insult. An old Spanish city with a rich history compared to a sloppy run down disneyland with NAMs, who could even save themselves from a hurricane?


        February 27, 2014 at 9:49 AM

      • who couldn’t save themselves from hurricane katrina…


        February 27, 2014 at 10:56 AM

  22. I could definitely see how government paying for college could be a good idea, in an ideal society of course. If it were done in the one we live in now the money would go down the Black hole of liberal indoctrination, “diversity,” and useless majors.

    John Goldberg

    February 25, 2014 at 2:16 PM

  23. “Nine Nobel Laureates graduated from City College…”

    because they’re all jews and 20 percent of nyc’s whites are jewish and jews used to be poorer than wasps?

    jorge videla

    February 25, 2014 at 10:32 PM

    • Jews have an average IQ that is higher than white gentiles or Asians, and indeed they fueled City College.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 25, 2014 at 10:52 PM

      • Lion, are you agreeing with me now!

        The higher IQ of Jews made them academic superstars in one or two generations. But I think much of that intelligence was acquired, not birthright. Eastern Europeans Jews were considered low IQ as immigrants, but in 2 generations by the 1960s, they were already overrepresented in the colleges and universities, dabbling in all kinds of subjects (Asians are quite the opposite). I think it was more about Chutzpah, instead of intelligence!


        February 26, 2014 at 10:07 AM

      • There are no such thing as “white gentiles”, except in the USA, and even here its a dubious distinction given relatively large pockets of relatively homogenous European stock. There are German gentiles, Irish gentiles, Swedish gentiles, Dutch gentiles, etc..excluding extra-racial immigrants that are bureaucratically but invalidly graphed onto any one of the aforementioned tribal designations.

        The point is that varying European tribes have varying average IQs. The average IQ of pure German stock is around 110-111, about on par with Ashkenazim and select North Asian groups. Other North European tribes also dance around that average, varying by 3-5 points here and there.


        March 5, 2014 at 9:38 PM

      • *typo: “There is no such group as white gentile…”


        March 5, 2014 at 9:40 PM

      • I said in my previous posts that the average IQs among White gentiles, Ashkenazim and East Asians aren’t all that different from one another to say one group is exceptionally more intelligent than the other. The last group is non-White and therefore behaviorially different. East Asians are less socially engaging.


        March 5, 2014 at 10:36 PM

  24. City College also shows another way than WOW to attain social peace in an unemployed world. Open admissions, zero tuition; indeed, give the students stipends to stay as long as they want. They shall happily sleep in cheap bunk beds and eat cheap cafeteria food, and can furthermore be easily indoctrinated and deployed (just have some mandatory classes, attend or the stipend goes). Spending will be modest compared to welfare.

    What more does a modern government need?

    Even with a circumscribed budget, there will be no problem in attracting a tenured faculty, or an administrator class for that matter.


    February 26, 2014 at 5:37 AM

    • PS. Don’t forget to add a number of rungs on the educational ladder, each with 2 years between them. Pro-tip: make the MSc, or better, PhD, expected by employers.


      February 26, 2014 at 5:41 AM

    • if only the hoi polloi were like tevye.

      the secular and non-orthodox israelis claim this is exactly what the orthodox are doing. it’s common enough in nyc for an ultra-orthodox wife to make ends meet while her husband studies to age 40, or so i’ve read.

      jorge videla

      February 26, 2014 at 9:27 PM

  25. Who has more status, Vinny who’s a graduate from Guido Law and is now a BIGLAW partner, or the run in the mill Harvard grad who is a low level employee at McKinsey Consulting?


    February 26, 2014 at 10:33 AM

  26. Lion, here’s an Asian who graduated from guido law (Yeshiva Prole Law), and turned out to be a real life guido restaurant owner. Lol….


    March 10, 2014 at 2:53 PM

  27. I would rather see a lot of undocumented Hispanics at the community colleges than Asians, just for the fact that Latinos are not aiming for eliteness, but just middle class status. Unlike Asians who are delusional of wanting to be part of the bobo class via the Ivy Leagues or any school, an entity in which they don’t share much in common.


    March 16, 2014 at 11:35 AM

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