Lion of the Blogosphere

The problem of gold diggers in New York City

A reader said that I should highlight more articles from the NY Post.

So today, an article from the NY Post about gold diggers:

For Robin Kassner, a 30-something CEO of her own firm, Haute PR, her future husband’s wallet, like his heart, can never be too big.

“As a successful woman, I’m looking for someone of my caliber — not some schlump off the street, but someone as successful as me — or more.”

The flaxen-haired vixen is heaving with desire, and has the décolletage-baring dresses to prove it.

“I want to go from a First Avenue princess to a Park Avenue princess,” says the UES singleton, who is unequivocal about her choosy checklist. “I’m looking for a perfect 10 — someone who’s 5 on the looks scale with $5 million in the bank.”

She earns in the top 1 percent, but she’s not interested in a parasite who’s not earning his own keep.

“Some people may call me a gold digger, but I call myself a goal digger — I’m goal-oriented, I have a really nice lifestyle, but I need a husband who can move me into the next tax bracket, together. There’s no shame in my game.”

Because all of the women in New York City are like Robin Kassner, nice guys like Ross Den are unable to find romance:

Ross Den, a 30-year-old entrepreneur and photographer, has a lot to offer — a job, his own apartment and wheels (including a car and a motorcycle). But he has yet to find success in the brutal NYC dating pool.

“‘Do you live in the city?’ is one of the first questions to come up,” says Den, who lives in geographically undesirable Midwood, Brooklyn.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

April 17, 2014 at EDT am

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  1. Oh god those eyebrows

    You’ve gotta be kidding me.

    IHTG

    April 17, 2014 at EDT am

  2. Good God, I would never imagined Robin to look as horrible as she did when I clicked on the link….top 1% of income but bottom 1% of looks, good thing women like this are statistically insignificant.

    Kant

    April 17, 2014 at EDT am

    • To her gold-digging credit, she’s only looking for an average-looking guy. And she’s not in the bottom 1%. You really need to get out more if you think that out of 100 random women she’d be the ugliest.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      April 17, 2014 at EDT am

      • She wouldn’t be the ugliest out of 100 but 60 to 70 would be ahead of her. I hate to be harsh but it’s true. Otherwise, I agree with you. She has reasonable expectations in the looks department. Though I’m not sure her expectations in the income department are realistic. Any guy who’s a 5 in looks with 5 million in the bank and 1% income doesn’t need her money and would be swamped with better looking women. I really do sympathize with her, though. She says she’d be an excellent girlfriend, wife and mother and I think she probably would. A guy could do a lot worse. But she needs to keep her income to herself. Otherwise, some man will “gold dig” her. My advice is to forget about finding a man in the 1% and focus on a man whose intelligent and educated with a mediocre but solid career. Otherwise, she’ll find herself 40 and alone and will never be a wife or mother. I’m afraid the clock is ticking for her.

        destructure

        April 17, 2014 at EDT am

      • You really need an evaluation if you are that literal.

        Kant

        April 17, 2014 at EDT am

      • I agree with destructure. She is being lead astray by her hypergamous instincts. Since she values money, she feels that she needs a man with more money than her. But any man with more money than her doesn’t need her money and will choose someone younger and more physically attractive.

        What she needs to do is find a man who is superior to her in some way besides money. For example an academic who is smarter and better educated than her could satisfy her instinct for hypergamy.

        She also needs to accept that as a girl, her Romantic Market Value is much more driven by her looks than by her money/career success.

        sabril

        April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • She only 30 years old, and it looks to me like there’s a fat woman in that body screaming “let me out!!!” As LOTB would no doubt point out, being overweight, especially when you’re that young, is prole.

        Sgt. Joe Friday

        April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • @ Sgt Joe

        Being “thirty-something” is a far cry from being 30.

        Renault

        April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • It’s been my observation and the facts support it that people are usually matched for intelligence level, social class, and physical attractiveness and then for common interests. although social class is more than money. a poor harvard graduate would shun a rich used car dealer.

        it’s also my observation that very good looking people, male or female value looks more than th less good looking. a well educated, intelligent, bombshell rarely wants to do donald trump. but maybe nyc is different.

        jorge videla

        April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

    • I don’t think Robin Kassner is in the bottom 1% looks-wise but what man in the top 1% of income would settle for that? A single guy with that kind of income would have to look hideous to even consider a woman of below average looks.

      dbp

      April 17, 2014 at EDT am

      • No doubt. She’s looking like that now? And she want’s what again? You can keep her NY.

        DelFuego

        April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

    • She does have a big rack.
      Though of course my main standard of feminine beauty cannot be determined from a newspaper photo.

      Peter

      ironrailsironweights

      April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • “She does have a big rack”

        Obese women usually do. As to your ultimate criterion of female beauty, I’m picturing a fur-covered Double Whopper, and that ain’t a compelling image.

        Good luck to her.

        ice hole

        April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • Big rack is never a sign of beauty. Young (16-17 year old) women do not have big racks, but they are somehow the most attractive.

        MyTwoCents

        April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

  3. The cognitive dissonance on display by these over-the-hill psychopaths is mind-boggling.

    On the bright side, NYC still has more attractive women than any other city in the US.

    Renault

    April 17, 2014 at EDT am

    • What good is it that men can only stare at attractive women? That’s the predicament of most NYC men.

      It would make sense that women in NYC are golddiggers, given the high cost of living of the Big Apple, especially women in their 20s prime who are starting their crappy careers with low pay.

      Blame it on greater America and it sh*t towns with a lack of vibrancy and jobs, where many women leave their small cites for a place such as NYC, basically driving our housing costs up the roof.

      Proledom USA!

      JS

      April 17, 2014 at EDT am

      • With NAM coddling Bill De Blasio and his ilk in charge, you SWPL New Yorkers are going to get all the diversity and vibrancy that you can stomach. Enjoy.

        Oswald Spengler

        April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • This is true for all big metropolitan cities world wide.

        If you are the man who fits the criteria of these women, you will notice that you will be pursued not only by single women gold diggers but also by even married women with undesirable husbands. Yes, American women have no hesitation to dump their husband for new good catch in big cities. You can just to have affair to play with if you want.

        IC

        April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • @ Oswald

        You’ll get it too, it just might take a bit longer.

        Renault

        April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

  4. The hell of it is…the aging career gal Ms. Kassner is not all that attractive. She’s not facially beautiful and she’s visibly chubby, even in the awkwardly cropped photo provided. At best, she would appeal to some guy with a BBW fetish.

    Oswald Spengler

    April 17, 2014 at EDT am

  5. A perfect 10. 5 on the looks scale, 5 million in the bank. HA! Look at her what a DAWG. New York is a decadent cesspool.

    BigAl

    April 17, 2014 at EDT am

    • At least she’s not also demanding that the guy look like an underwear model.

      I’m not disagreeing with the “cesspool” comment.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      April 17, 2014 at EDT am

      • About all that woman has going for her that is actually attractive to men is that she doesn’t have some other man’s children.

        She’s past her prime, she’s fat, she’s likely been a slut for a decade and she’s ugly.

        She’s about fit for a man who’s a 5 on the attractiveness scale and isn’t unemployed and showers daily most of the time – and even he would be better off alone than with her. A woman who looks like that looking for a man who has $5 million is simply delusional along the lines of an average guy holding out for a pair of women who look like models and are twin sisters.

        Steve Johnson

        April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

  6. Now Amanda Marie from the article? Sexy.

    BigAl

    April 17, 2014 at EDT am

    • “Now Amanda Marie from the article? Sexy.”

      If she’s telling the truth about her age — 21 — she looks pretty bad for her age.

      sabril

      April 17, 2014 at EDT am

    • An Italian American proless from Staten Island. I wouldn’t give her time of the day.

      MaryK is going to grill me on this one again!

      JS

      April 17, 2014 at EDT am

      • I agree completely.

        Also, I’m surprised that nobody’s mentioned the fact that most of these old broads are obviously lying about their ages.

        Renault

        April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • Not at all, JS. I don’t think Amanda would be interested in you either due to your constant put-downs of IAs. Most people don’t like being insulted. However, I love it. It only gives me an incentive to improve myself. Thanks to all your comments I may one day be the equivalent of a rocket scientist who made enough money through investing to buy the most expensive house in Bensonhurst (which as you know will cost over 1.4 million.) Go ahead and insult. A low-ambition proless needs all the help she can get! And unlike you, I can impress people with very small achievements. No one expects me to know anything or have any class at all.. Usually I impress them by simply not sounding like a cast member of “The Jersey Shore.” and displaying that I can write a coherent paragraph. You, on the other hand, as an SWPL have much higher standards to live up to. LOL!

        MaryK

        April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • “I wouldn’t give her time of the day.”
        Well, no shit. She has publicly(!) admitted her membership in Seeking Arrangement. That site is borderline prostitution, nttawwt (not that there’s anything wrong w/ that).

        anon

        April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • Seeking Arrangement has shot up when it comes to the number of memberships coming from NYC women in the past few years, especially young early 20s – college women. As the cost of living in the city rises, more gold diggers show up.

        So yes, it makes sense that NYC women are predisposed to gold digging mechanisms.

        JS

        April 18, 2014 at EDT am

    • Sure, if you like hard-looking women covered with tattoos. Good to date and have fun with, maybe. Not the woman you want as the mother of your children.

      Sansfoy

      April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • It’s sad how guys rate that woman as “hot”. But I’m not surprised as many things in NYC are overrpriced. If men are willing to to pay 3K/month in rent for some crusty old apartment in Manhattan, most certainly that tattooed broad is worth the money.

        JS

        April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • I don’t like the tattoos.

        And it’s rather stupid for a gold digger to get all tatted up, because rich men probably don’t like that.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • “And it’s rather stupid for a gold digger to get all tatted up, because rich men probably don’t like that.”

        Unless of course, she’s after a rich guido from Staten Island….LOL!

        Seriously, though, Amanda is sort of cute, although not beautiful. Part of the problem is her hair color. She’s too olive-complexioned to wear blonde hair. But yes, the tattoos signify lower-class. However, there may be some upper-class guys who’d find Amanda attractive in a sort of Eliza Doolittle way. If Amanda would rethink the excessive jewelry and get de-tattooed (is that a word, and did I spell it correctly?) and wear more elegant upper-middle class clothing, and have a suitable hair color and makeup job she would probably be appealing to men who like Italian looks.

        MaryK

        April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • my experience in nyc is all the women look like they’re from the jersey shore.

        northeasterners care about appearance more than angelenos, but they’re uglier.

        jorge videla

        April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

  7. If Ross Den ever gets rich then he’ll suddenly see everyone wiping the floor with starving-artist game.

    Some people just have an “AFC” cloud around them. Whatever game they run will get AMOGed by its antithesis.

    I Approched Her First game / Last Man Standing game
    SWPL game / Frat game
    Take-charge-guy game / Nurture Me game
    I’m On Stage game / I’m On The Dancefloor game
    Social Circle game / Interesting Stranger game
    Quick escalation game / Don’t Scare the Cat game

    Fiddlesticks

    April 17, 2014 at EDT am

    • CH and other PUAs will tell you that looks aren’t as important as game. BS!

      Both men and women are more receptive of the attractive opposite sex than the less attractive ones.

      It is apparent that betaness have a lot to do with physical attractiveness and hormones. Men with square jaws and chiseled faces have higher levels of testosterone, which of course makes them more aggressive in behavior. And of course goodlooking men and women who have been validated for their looks will be more confident than the average person.

      JS

      April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • women are turned on by nothing more than being treated like dirt.

        jorge videla

        April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • Only if the guy is an attractive jerk.

        JS

        April 18, 2014 at EDT am

  8. Obviously, none of these over 30 women have any real concept of The Wall.

    Oswald Spengler

    April 17, 2014 at EDT am

    • ???what about helen mirren?

      jorge videla

      April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • She’s the proverbial exception that proves the rule.

        Oswald Spengler

        April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

  9. Amanda marie is cute. I’m an old guy. Wouldn’t young girls with tattoos be more likely to go for the bad boy type? Would there be many gold diggers like that? Would rich guys go for the tatted up girl?

    Mark

    April 17, 2014 at EDT am

  10. Miss Kassner needs to understand that a man with average looks and $5 million in the bank is not going to settle for a 30+ year old chubster and doesn’t have to. There will be plenty of 22-year-old hotties willing to date him, many of whom are solid girls.

    sabril

    April 17, 2014 at EDT am

  11. So Robin Kassner, was on the show millionaire matchmaker. It was the most embarrassing thing I’ve ever seen. The episode is somewhat famous.

    Trying to find it online, here’s a quick link

    Generalizing about the NY dating market from this moron isn’t a good idea.

    Matt H

    April 17, 2014 at EDT am

    • Wow, that video is like watching the demise of Western civilization in six minutes. She’s WAY fatter than you can tell in the Post picture. She’s like a triangle, getting fatter as you go down. She’s a total slut, and a desperate one. And she’s completely delusional about her “fabulousness.” Her face isn’t really bad, especially when the makeup isn’t so heavy. She could be pretty, but she’d have to drop like what? 100 pounds? A lot anyway. What a train wreck.

      peterike

      April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

    • Wow, that was embarrassing. For some reason Robin got fixed up with male 9s with no careers, and she quickly gave up on the idea of dating a 5 + $5million. That’s actually a more realistic choice. She basically has a gigolo now and seems happy with that.

      CamelCaseRob

      April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

  12. Robin’s fat. I’d hang out with her if she paid me.

    The end of the real world is upon us

    April 17, 2014 at EDT am

    • Fat, thin upper-lipped, and with a gummy smile. I would rate her as a 2 out of 10.

      CamelCaseRob

      April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

  13. Lydiane Interdonato looks the best out of all them. Although older, she fits the typical college educated SWPL women not in a value transference field.

    JS

    April 17, 2014 at EDT am

  14. Problem? These ladies settle, or they remain alone. Either way, they lose.

    Honestly–quit going after 9s and 10s. There are plenty of mediocre-looking women around, and in NYC, *the bottom half of the curve isn’t morbidly obese*.

    SFG

    April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

    • These women are divorces waiting to happen. Marrying a 30-something who spent her youth sleeping with men way out of her league is a recipe for disaster.

      map

      April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

  15. My suspicion is that men and women who build up impossible prerequisites for a mate don’t, in fact, want to get married for whatever reasons whether selfish or unselfish, conscious or unconscious. If you want marriage and a family bad enough, potential mates start to look better than they would otherwise, sort of like that saying– the drunker I get, the better you look. I’ve seen a similar phenomena with couples putting off having kids or not aggressively pursuing fertility problems. For some of these couples, they’re so ambivalent about having children– whether they’ll admit it or not– that the opportunity just fades away while they blame it on obstacles that could have been avoided or surmounted.

    slithy toves

    April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

    • That is my suspicion too. There was more social pressure before to get married. Everyone around you was married so you felt like you had to also. It’s easier to not be married when you are surrounded by lots of other unmarried people like now. You can just say you are waiting for the right person and then set your standards so high no one meets them. The large numbers of unmarried people now are only a societal problem to the extent that some women have childen out of wedlock they can’t afford, the kids grow up without dads, and taxes have to be paid by other people to support the kids. If you don’t want to be married that’s fine but don’t have kids you can’t support.

      Mark

      April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • This problem needs to be solved by abandoning the assumption of live birth.

        map

        April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

    • “My suspicion is that men and women who build up impossible prerequisites for a mate don’t, in fact, want to get married for whatever reasons whether selfish or unselfish, conscious or unconscious.”

      I agree completely. We hear so much on this site from men who claim there are no decent women to marry, when we hear from women not that there are no decent men to marry but that those men are not interested in marriage, only long-term dating or hooking up. Many women are marrying DOWN the economic and educational ladder (it’s what I did – unfortunately, it didn’t do me any good.) As my mother said of her friend who married for the second time (to a man who seemed to have nothing in common with her) – “she would have married a gorilla.” And this was in 1978. When I married my ex a supervisor said he wondered why I would marry “a blue collar man.” But as I was older than 30 and Robert Redford was obviously not gong to come knocking on the door of an Italian proless from Brooklyn, blue collar was not a mark against a man.

      An aside: my ex claimed to have an IQ of 140. I realize now that he probably wasn’t above 120-125. But why didn’t he make it 150 and declare himself a genius if he was lying? Because at least he was smart enough to know that if you’re going to lie about your IQ, don’t make it so high that someone will ask or think the obvious – why would someone with a genius IQ pass up the opportunity to go to college and settle for a low-paying job where his co-workers were mostly NAMS?

      MaryK

      April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • Men may want hook ups but if they don’t get one they don’t want politicians to pass a law requiring women to hook up with them. When a lot women want a husband who’s a good provider and they can’t get one, they immediately run to the government to force males who didn’t want to marry them to still provide for them via the welfare state. This isn’t just poor women. A lot of middle class women are working in government jobs that are just disguised welfare. Two thirds of American single women are voting for leftist politicians now. These women may say they want a decent husband but they are defining “decent” in a way most guys don’t qualify. That’s why they end up having to depend on and support big government. Those same guys who don’t qualify, though, as husband material are perfectly qualified to go ahead and toil away and pay taxes to support the big government women voted for. And a lot of women think guys are actually going to continue to do this.

        Mark

        April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • people fall in love with someone who is around them every day. looking for love never finds it.

        jorge videla

        April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

  16. These chicks are typical of the NYC experience – not really worth it for anything longer than a weekend.

    Camlost

    April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

    • Typical? I don’t know about that, but you do see these types often enough.

      Maybe we just hang out in different crowds.

      Renault

      April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

  17. Robin’s got the type of body that black men find irresistible in a white woman.

    Camlost

    April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

    • Unfortunately for her, any black man with a net worth of $5 million or more (pro athlete, rap star, etc) isn’t likely to find her all that appealing.

      Oswald Spengler

      April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • She will probably take a bunch of black ‘lovers’ who will deplete her wealth in her later years.

        Colmainen

        April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • Really? Lamar Odom got with a veritable she-male for no other apparent reason than that she was white.

        Camlost

        April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

    • Camlost, is that what you see in Atlanta?

      Brian Sumpter

      April 18, 2014 at EDT am

  18. The other angle is that a woman running a boutique PR agency is a notoriously unstable occupation, and she isn’t likely to keep earning at the same levels as she gets older or the scene changes. She is basically setting her marriage requirements based on a level of success and income she isn’t likely to have in 5 years.

    You can make big money for a couple of years if you get lucky with clients, but the clients change, your knowledge of what is trendy gets stale, and there aren’t many real barriers that make her more competitive at PR for NY’s nouveau riche than a younger person, and then she will likely see her earnings drop. You can be a boutique consultant over the long term in something where years of technical experience actually make you more valuable (engineering, technical aspects of finance) and the players you deal with stay relatively constant over decades, but there is a much bigger churn in this kind of socialite PR. (As opposed to more corporate public relations)

    el supremo

    April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

  19. This stuff is totally manufactured nerd-bait…

    If the desire was to create a psychological and sexual aversion for “white woman” then this character is PERFECT for the job.

    Don’t get me wrong, these types of liberated “white” females exist AND they are coming into existence at an exponential rate…

    Somebody has to turn back the clock…

    The update to this story has ole girl with a low-level professional black athlete.

    thordaddy

    April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

    • No so much of a sexual aversion to White women, but a growing number of men believe they’re only as good as the waste bucket.

      Many commentators here probably feel dating and courtship is a waste of time. And rightfully so, because guys with above average intelligence tend to filter out BS nonsense. Just hearing women spew about their drama is for betas. After all, it’s sex that most men are after.

      JS

      April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

  20. LOL… ^^^ Just saw your response, Camlost. Not just body though… That face… Like the Joker’s “lady” or something!

    thordaddy

    April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

  21. Robin is just a few garish tatoos away from looking like Lena Dunham.

    Oswald Spengler

    April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

    • She would also need to get a Jean Seberg haircut and go full hipster for that to happen. Sorry, I’m a girl, details, details.

      I also have a feeling she would be the belle of the ball if she moved to Crown Heights. I looked at her PR company’s website and it doesn’t seem too serious. Maybe she’s trolling for a book deal or reality show.

      Christine

      April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

  22. Does one get the impression that most men and women in NYC are in it for the wish list of the unimaginable? He for the looks and youth (as long as he can afford it- sorry Robin K that does count you out) and she for the money and clout as long as he’s in a good mood while the rest quietly suffer in fear of not being rich enough, beautiful enough or no longer young enough….

    http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2014/04/rise-nyc-gold-digger-can-spot/

  23. The two best looking ones by far are two of the oldest, Lydiane and Joie, who despite their dumb-ass names are both very hot. However, as Spengler up top says, the Wall is coming, it comes for all. The baby wall is coming too. These two need to get hitched pretty soon. But since when they were in their 20s they were probably both smoking hot they probably shagged lots of bad boy Alphas, and now they want to marry one, which isn’t going to happen. But either Lydiane and Joie would make some beta provider schlub plotz his shorts with joy that a woman that attractive would be willing to get hitched with him. But neither of them look like they’re ready for that. Maybe in ten more years.

    Kimberly and Robin are both fat and probably barely keeping it together. Marry them and good night nurse, they will turn into landwhales, especially after popping out a baby.

    Amanda I don’t know. I don’t like that picture much, but she might be better looking in real life. She has potential, but as a self-confessed gold digger… sorry honey, you’re not hot enough to strike gold. And black Jess looks older than 22 and a little worn out, but she isn’t bad looking. No doubt she’s gunning for a white guy.

    Aren’t NY Post articles fun!!?? Next up: “Doctors unable to reattach rapper’s penis”

    peterike

    April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

  24. Robin is fat and manic. Who would even do business with a 200-pound female alcoholic?

    Kimberly Rich looks like she’d be out of that dress in, well, a New York minute. Good thing for her she has an independent life.

    Tats = disease, drug use.

    The Anti-Gnostic

    April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

  25. Methinks that Miss Amanda Marie has spent a few evenings working the night shift at the local shoe show, judging by those tattoos. In the immortal words of Charles Ramsey – “dead giveaway”.

    Camlost

    April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

  26. It’s amazing how female hypergamy gets in the way. Successful women who are looking for more successful men need to bring something to the table that the more successful man does not already have. Being inferior to the man in every way that she wants to be judged is not a selling point. Why can’t these “successful” women understand that? How do women with these credentials not understand basic comparative advantage?

    Men who are tall, good-looking, make a lot of money, have high social status and are very charismatic want what they don’t have, what they can’t get on their own: boners and babies. Yet, these broads think that if they have some $5 million business that a guy with a $50 million fortune will consider her competitive.

    It’s pathetic.

    map

    April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

  27. What is it about women in NYC? They really wear their neuroses on their sleeve. This post brought back a lot of forgotten memories. When I lived in NYC, I dated a lot. Not because I’m good-looking or charismatic, but because I asked a lot of girls out and, thanks to the law of averages, some of them said yes.

    I had forgotten about this until just now, but now that Lion has brought up the subject I remember that many of the chicks I dated were CRAZY. They weren’t gold diggers, but they were just as nuts as the women in this article. Here are some examples:

    S.M, was in her early 30’s. She’d spent the past 10 years overseas. IIRC she was briefly married to a foreign guy, but he divorced her so she moved back to the US. When we went out, I was 22 or 23, about 10 years younger than Sharon. Even at that age I was cool with idea of having kids, but like most young men in their early 20’s had never really given the subject much thought. On our first (and only) date, Sharon and I went to see “Fargo” and afterwords got dinner at a restaurant. While at the restaurant, Sharon said she wanted kids — now. She actually reached across the table, patted the top of my hand, and said “yes, Joe my biological clock is ticking. Would you like to come back to my apartment?” Remember, this was on our first date. I did not go back to her apartment. Instead, I raised my other hand to gesture to the waiter, said “check, please,” and walked Sharon to 14th street subway terminal, where I left her. Sharon never did get married, and I don’t know whether she had kids. Today she is a lesbian and lives in Philadelphia.

    S.D. was a JAP from Beverly Hills. She was a nice person, and I sort of liked her, so I asked her out. On our first date, we went to get a cappuccino at some place in the Village, and she spent literally 20 minutes complaining about the quality of the coffee, the high prices, etc. I was a working-class Protestant from the Midwest. I’d never been exposed to a Yenta before, and it totally freaked me out. The whining, complaining, and 20 straight minutes of ball-busting over something so trivial — I couldn’t handle it. I got up, told her I was going to the bathroom, and left the restaurant. I still feel bad about doing that to her, because she was a genuinely nice person, but if I had to go back in time I’d probably do the same thing all over again. The way she related to me on a first date, with such ball-busting intensity, over something so meaningless as a cup of coffee – I could only imagine what a real marital argument would be like. She’s a nice girl, and I realize that Jewish guys probably have a greater tolerance for that sort of thing, but I just couldn’t handle it. I don’t know what happened to her but I hope she’s doing well, she was a nice person but I just could not handle the whole Yenta thing.

    S.J. was a sweet and wonderful girl, an Orthodox Jew who was never able to get over the fact that I was a goy. She really doesn’t belong in the same category as the other women, because she was wonderful, but the whole Fiddler on the Roof saga was something I was not expecting and did not know how to handle. I thought i was just a nice respectable guy from the Midwest who wanted to meet a nice girl, get married, and start a family. Suddenly I was a villainous character who posed a dire threat to a faith, an extended family, and thousands of years of tradition. I knew nothing about Jews, Orthodox culture, or the concept that leading a “Jewish life” was a religious duty, so this came as quite a surprise to me. Still, Sarah was a wonderful person. She was not crazy at all, it was a crazy situation. In retrospect I understand where the Orthodox were coming from, but I felt insulted at the time.

    L.A. was another Orthodox girl who was willing to try dating a goy because she had just turned 30, and the Orthodox tended to marry between 19 and 22. She was another sweet and decent person. At some point she’d made the decision to sleep with anyone she dated. Mind you, she was not a slut. She really was a sweet and decent girl, and her mission in life was to get married and have babies. She’s the one and only girl I’d ever met whose past would not be an issue — she really was a nice girl next door, despite the fact that she’d slept with lots of other guys. But at some point she’d internalized some kind of 70’s Upper West Side Jewish feminist rhetoric and decided that she was in control of her sexuality and was going to sleep with the guys she dated, for reasons that are not entirely clear to me. She slept with me on our first date, it was a casual date, and when we went to her apartment afterwords I thought we were just going to hang out, but before I knew it we were going at it, it was a total shock. I never could get my mind around that, never having encountered a promiscuous girl who was a genuinely nice girl before. My roommate went out with her before i did, and the whole situation was just surreal. Still, I liked her a lot and would have continued to date her if the religious thing hadn’t gotten in the way.

    J.O. was a black girl who had never dated a white guy before. She spent our entire first date talking about being black. I made a move on her, but she was so freaked by the fact that I was a white guy that she shot me down. Again, it was like, what? You were aware that I was white when you agreed to go out with me, no? But when we went to dinner she was extremely uncomfortable and it was black this, black that, black everything. She just could not handle dating a white guy.

    K.O. was a blue collar girl from Staten Island with huge breasts. I was totally down with that, so I asked her out, despite the fact that she had an occasional boyfriend. She went out and while she was a really nice girl, the blue collar dysfunction she exhibit was just too much. She smoked like a chimney, to the point where she had a deep, gravelly voice, even though she was only 24 or 25. And she was so tan that she had already suffered extensive skin damage and looked 35. She was a nice girl, but the blue collar dysfunction she exhibited was so great that I just could not handle it. I know all about blue collar dysfunction — my dad served time in prison — but this woman’s dysfunction was so visible that I shied away, despite the fact that she was nice and I desperately wanted to bang her.

    The point of all these anecdotes is that the women in NYC wear their dysfunction on their sleeve, to the point where it is obvious on the FIRST DATE. There are crazy chicks everywhere, but (1) they generally aren’t so obvious about it; and (2) the women in NYC are a lot crazier. A clingy chick in flyover country is one who calls you 3 or 4 times per day, a clingy chick in NYC will call you 30 or 40 times per day. I don’t know why NYC is like that, but it certainly is. The gold diggers mentioned in the article are just an illustration of this phenomenon.

    Of all the girls I dated in NYC, the Orthodox and the WASP’s (very rare, but I met a couple of them) seemed to be the least crazy. I really liked the Orthodox, although I was a prole from the Midwest who attended a fundamentalist Christian church while growing up (today I am Catholic), there was a lot of cultural affinity there for some reason. They seemed like decent, wholesome people. The women were attractive and I liked them a lot. They were definitely more intense than Christian girls, but’s a cultural thing, once I got used to it it was fine. Lion should really consider heading up to West 86th Street if he wants to find a nice girl, there are lots of very nice girls there.

    Joe Schmoe

    April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

    • Marrying an Orthodox Jewish woman would mean a lifetime of crappy kosher food.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

    • That was awesome Joe Schmoe. So did you ever get married and have kids?

      peterike

      April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • Peterike-

        Yes, to a nice girl from Los Angeles. They are out there!

        Joe Schmoe

        April 18, 2014 at EDT am

    • … a clingy chick in NYC will call you 30 or 40 times per day…

      Your take on NYC women reminds me of Glenn Close in “Fatal Attraction.”

      When I was about 40 years old, I met a very attractive, light-complected 35-year old never-married Jamaican woman in Orlando, FL. She modeled for the Home Shopping Network and sold medical equipment. She seemed to be doing quite well – owned her own waterfront home, drove a Mercedes, and wasn’t afraid to pick up a check. After a few dates, she asked if I’d be her (medically induced) sperm donor, no strings attached, backed up by a written contract absolving me of all responsibilities. I declined the offer.

      E. Rekshun

      April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • black women like white men too.

        jorge videla

        April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • That was smart of you. That contract wouldn’t have stood up, since a mother cannot sign away her child’s right to support.

        ScarletNumber

        April 18, 2014 at EDT pm

    • actually there is one place in the us where the people are ruder than in nyc. anywhere in the midwest.

      jorge videla

      April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • Um, what? I’m from the Midwest and people are very polite. It’s fake politeness in a lot of cases – the term ‘Minnesota nice’ exists for a reason – but it is politeness.

        cannibal

        April 18, 2014 at EDT am

      • get out much? prole.

        The end of the real world is upon us

        April 18, 2014 at EDT am

      • I spent a couple years living near downtown KC, MO. The NAMs were rather rude and dangerous. Everyone else was fine.

        E. Rekshun

        April 18, 2014 at EDT am

      • i’m sure jayman’s many americas backs me up. the midwest is chock-a-block with germans and scandinavians.

        perhaps “rude” was the wrong word. maybe “boring”, “humorless”, “unnecessarily serious”, etc. would be better. whatever the opposite of “urbane” is.

        @The end of the real world is upon us

        minnesota elected a former pro-wrestler as its governor.

        jorge videla

        April 18, 2014 at EDT pm

      • yeah.

        the most authentic, least phony, most genuine, most straightforward, etc. people in the us are angelinos. one might expect the opposite as it’s the entertainment capital of the world. one might also expect that the slowest talking and slowest walking are in some former confederate state. no. it’s angelinos again.

        northeasterners have a facade so thick it takes a chisel, and once you’ve removed it you find there’s nothing underneath. all of ’em talk like they’re selling insurance and are class and appearance obsessed.

        jorge videla

        April 18, 2014 at EDT pm

    • Deborah was a Catholic girl, she held out till the bitter end.
      Carla was a differnet type, she’s the was one who put it in.
      Mary was a black girl and I was afraid of a girl like that.
      Susan painted pictures sitting down like the Buddah sat….

      Oswald Spengler

      April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • “Catholic girls start much too late…”

        “Catholic Girls at the CYO. Catholic Girls. Do you know how they go?”

        E. Rekshun

        April 18, 2014 at EDT am

  28. Only Lydiane Interdonato is worthy of stares, all the other women are atrocious looking. But then aren’t we talking about status when it comes to women as well? Would you date an attractive woman who graduated from a sh*tty school such as Touro College for her Masters degree? Because that’s where she went. That’s effing lumpenprole!

    Another Italian American proless comes out of the woodwork. Kind of sucks, MaryK!

    JS

    April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

    • What’s wrong with the Joie girl? She’s equally as good looking as Lydiane, just brunette. But everyone’s entitled to his opinion about what constitutes beauty. . When I heard that you complimented the looks of an IA woman I should have known there would be a catch! Yes, Touro College is lumpenprole so the lovely Lydie is apparently only a wanna-be SWPL. But it certainly doesn’t hurt me. I’d outrank her on the status scale as my Master’s is from Pratt Institute. And could she hold her own with most of the men who post here? I also got a lengthy letter published in Chronicles magazine some years ago and was invited to submit an essay. No small achievement as the paleoconservative world is primarily male and tends to suspect all woman of being feminists unless proven otherwise.

      MaryK

      April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

    • “Would you date an attractive woman who graduated from a sh*tty school such as Touro College for her Masters degree?”

      Does it really make sense to rule out a person because of where he or she went to college? This is judging the person by what he did between ages 14 and 17. People that age are kids. By the time a person is 25 or older you can get a better sense of where he is going. Some people are late bloomers. And for some people acceptance and graduation from an ivy signifies their peak in life. My IA friend who graduated from Harvard didn’t go on to become especially successful.

      MaryK

      April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

      • One hears this argument all the time about late bloomers but I don’t completely buy it.

        I was one of those who grew up in a family that didn’t understand the enormous significance of choosing an Ivy over a high tier regional college. I applied to one Ivy, Stanford, and got wait listed (but not accepted). This after doing nothing to solicit impressive recommendations or to acquire lots of good extra-curricular points or to make any special effort aside from taking the SAT and doing well in school (which mostly occurred because I liked school). I never thought about applying to Columbia or Penn or any East Coast school. Those places seemed far too distant and cold for me.

        So I went to a top tier small college in the West. Not bad, perhaps, but no Ivy and I’m sure my career has suffered as a result. I graduated at the top of my class at the small college but nevertheless felt the whole time I was surrounded by inferiors; that I should have been in a more competitive environment. That success at this college was too easy. I regret today not having the maximum competitive experience of an Ivy as much as I regret the failure to capture maximum prestige from a college degree.

        It is this experience of competing head to head with the best and the brightest that the non-Ivy grads will never have in their backpack of life experiences, and I believe such experiences to be critical to forming a sensible understanding of one’s true talents. Doing well at inferior colleges is akin to doing well at your local Karaoke bar; it doesn’t mean you will make it on American idol but far too many think it does.

        I work with people all the time who never competed in any high performance environment and it shows in what they imagine constitutes high quality work. People who competed at low levels imagine low level performances to be successes. I think these folks imagine themselves to be late bloomers, but I more often see folks viewing success from a very low baseline. With the graduates of upper tier schools, they have a mental image of what achievement looks like that is more akin to reality.

        Curle

        April 22, 2014 at EDT pm

  29. @steve johnson – “woman who looks like that looking for a man who has $5 million is simply delusional along the lines of an average guy holding out for a pair of women who look like models and are twin sisters”

    Please do not rob me of my delusions!

    DelFuego

    April 17, 2014 at EDT pm

  30. Dating or marrying smart chick is extra work, I mean every day. All women will fight over little things (like what restaurant to go to, which crib mattress to buy etc.) With smart you will fight over major things too (how to vote, how to invest etc.) Why do you need extra work? Plus your chances to get autistic child go up and other things too. Look, you live once and you are not responsible for the future of all humanity. Why would you care about few extra IQ points in your descendants if eventually they either die out or regress to the mean anyway? Only looks matter, only looks. Nothing else. You do not want to be in a situation when your unattractive daughter is smart, 37, and without any prospects for marriage. Want a healthy attractive daughter? Marry young attractive woman.

    MyTwoCents

    April 18, 2014 at EDT am

    • If you are arguing with your girlfriend about voting and investing, you guys are probably finding excuses to argue.

      There aren’t meaningful alternatives in those areas. Voting isn’t a real exercise of power, for the voter. And investing is diversified funds, preferably indexed, and sitting on them, preferably in tax sheltered accounts. Anything else is a kind of speculation.

      Most adults of high intelligence understand those things, at least unconsciously. Deciding to argue about them anyway, suggests some other unstated problem.

      Lowe

      April 18, 2014 at EDT am

    • What kind of idiot argues politics with a woman? What would you ever fight about investment-wise?

      Renault

      April 18, 2014 at EDT am

      • She won’t ask you if you want to argue with her. She will start the argument.

        MyTwoCents

        April 18, 2014 at EDT pm

  31. Some of these women will succeed and land a rich guy. Like PUAs they’re unemotional, they think love is an overrated abstraction and want the best mate they can keep, while the PUA just wants as many as possible — just focus on quality, not quantity of mate(s). But they need to know that they’re making a big bet. After 25 it gets harder to land high status guys and after 30 it will get even harder. If they keep on with this pursuit, they might miss out on love AND a high-status mate.

    Actually, for all the stupid stuff Sex & the City pushed, the show (especially the pilot) did send the message out to women like this: if you’re a single career girl over 30 who’s not going to settle, you can have lots of short-term small pleasures, but no long-term happiness.

    Maciano

    April 18, 2014 at EDT am

  32. how’d this happen? http://www.wetpaint.com/bones/articles/who-is-emily-deschanel-married-to-top-5-things-to-know-about-david-hornsby

    was she 35 and desperate?

    maybe he’s got rich parents, but her own parents are distinguished.

    jorge videla

    April 18, 2014 at EDT am

  33. Not only do golddiggers move to the city…

    NYT, 04/16/14 – Suburbs Try to Prevent an Exodus as Young Adults Move to Cities and Stay

    Since 2000, Westchester, Nassau and Suffolk have experienced a drop in the number of 25- to 44-year-olds, with the declines particularly sharp in more affluent communities. Between 2000 and 2011, Rye, for example, had a 63 percent decrease in 25- to 34-year-old residents and a 16 percent decrease in 35- to 44-year-olds…Jennifer Levi Ross grew up in Jericho on Long Island and moved into the Murray Hill neighborhood of Manhattan a few years after graduating from college. She liked living in the city so much — the easy commuting to work, the night life, the cornucopia of things to do — that when she married another Long Islander, Michael Ross, a Syosset boy, in 2012, they decided to stay put…Meghan Bernhardt, a 29-year-old child psychotherapist, grew up in Roslyn on Long Island and now lives in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. She did not like living in Roslyn because “everyone was Jewish and upper-middle class like me.”…

    E. Rekshun

    April 18, 2014 at EDT am

    • Sidetracking the discussion: It makes sense that the suburbs are losing their youth because they lack vibrancy and stimulation.

      Proles would want to upgrade themselves to SWPL if they want to live in NYC.

      Further, the high price of real estate in the exclusive suburbs such as Westchester, is a losing proposition for many young people with ambition and raging hormones. Why pay an arm and a leg so you can live in a neighborhood that has nothing to offer besides peace and quiet?

      JS

      April 18, 2014 at EDT pm

      • It is possible to have a somewhat modest income and still live in NYC if by “NYC” you only mean somewhere white and safe rather than somewhere bobo or SWPL. Bensonhurst is still primarily white and safe (and only about 20% Italian, from what I hear – for those concerned about the ethnic factor) Houses there are out of the price range of most people, but buying an apartment is still affordable. Having white proles for neighbors isn’t the worst thing in the world. And communities like this still have a lot of old mom and mom stores and businesses, making the communities less impersonal and overpowering like Manhattan. Personally, I always found Manhattan to be too intense for everyday living. The key to a white prole neighborhood, as the key to prole life itself, is to try to find the best in it and learn to enjoy it.

        MaryK

        April 21, 2014 at EDT pm

      • Ironically, Manhattan becomes a Darwinian Babylon, thanks to Rudy Guiliani, a son of humble Italian American proles, who believed that utmost ruthlessness and impersonality were the only effective means of tackling New York’s social malaise and economic ills, which as result would foment another set of social and economic problems.

        The rise of Wall St and BIGLAW into new heights, these 2 very coveted – high status – masculine industries in NYC (also glorified by Lion), coincided with the rise of Guiliani, leading to a mass influx of hypergamous and gold digging women into NYC following the trail, and the evolution of the overbearing SWPL transplant, whose fates were almost sealed with Bloomberg, had the 2008 financial not happened.

        JS

        April 21, 2014 at EDT pm

      • * had the 2008 financial crisis not happened.

        JS

        April 21, 2014 at EDT pm

  34. I actually know Ross Den personally. He gets around the south Brooklyn photo circuit and is trying to break into the Manhattan scene. He’s a Russian-Israeli with a military background. The reason he’s single is not because he lives in Brooklyn, he hooks up with plenty of chicks. It’s because he is weird to go out with.

    sdfsdf

    April 18, 2014 at EDT pm

  35. Not too many people move to Cleveland, Baltimore, New Orleans, Oakland, and Detroit. All very vibrant and stimulating in the oh no please don’t kill me sort of way. Only a few cities meet the move to critera, and de Blasio may kill that for NYC turning ii into Taxi Driver.

    Vegas. City of the future. More Whales there than NYC.

    whiskeysplace

    April 20, 2014 at EDT am


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