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Elliot Rodger’s autobiography

Elliot Rodger’s autobiography.

This looks like a long read, will comment when I’m finished.

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This is truly historic that a beta-male-rage type of mass murderer has left behind such a detailed account of his life. I’m only on page 17 of this 141-page autobiography. As a young child, Elliot was short and physically weak, prone to crying a lot, shy, who enjoyed arts and crafts but wasn’t good at sports. He claims that he was happy during his early childhood and this is probably true. His early childhood probably would have been more hellish if he had grown up in a prole neighborhood where he would have been picked in mercilessly by the other kids, but because he grew up in wealthy neighborhoods, the other kids at school seemed pretty well-behaved.

His mother was Chinese. There’s no physical description of her, but I suspect that she is a petite and ectomorphic woman, not atypical for Asian women, and she passed on those physical traits to her son. A lesson to those white men on the internet who seem to think that this type of woman would make an ideal feminine wife. What kind of half-Aisan male children will she give birth to?

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Up to page 24. Elliot is in the fifth grade. At this point in the autobiography, I am pretty confident that Elliot did NOT have Asperger’s Syndrome. Elliot had friends in elementary school, and he also had a pretty good understanding of the social status of elementary school, who was cool and who was not, and spent a lot of effort in trying to be more cool. Kids who truly have Asperger’s Syndrome don’t understand that stuff at all. Just because a kid is shy, physically small, and prone to anxiety, does NOT mean that he has Asperger’s Syndrome.

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Page 47. Elliot is now a freshman at a boys Catholic school where he is bulled by the other boys who are bigger and stronger than him, and he has no friends:

I drowned all of my misery in my online games. World of Warcraft was the only thing I had left to live for. My grades at Crespi dropped dramatically. I just didn’t care anymore. I hated that school. I didn’t think about my future. The only thing I gave any serious thought to was my WoW character. I had become very powerful in the game, and I was in one of the best guilds. With this guild, I participated in lots of five-hour raid events to collect better gear and armor for my character.

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It’s certainly a long autobiography. He must have spent a lot of time on it. I’m still trying to figure out his IQ. He’s no genius because he only got a B in his one class at a junior college, but he was smart enough to write a 141-page autobiography which has the consistent theme of explaining how he wound up the way he was, which is beyond the ability of someone with only average IQ. I peg his IQ between 115 and 120, smart enough to graduate from a real 4-year college in 4 years if he had the right direction and motivation, but his parents obviously held him back because they falsely believed he had Asperger’s Syndrome or something like that.

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On page 87, he’s starting to sound a little big mashugana:

When they left the store I followed them to their car and splashed my coffee all over them. The boy yelled at me and I quickly ran away in fear. I was panicking as I got into my car and drove off, shaking with rage-fueled excitement. I drove all the way to the Vons at the Fairview Plaza and spent three hours in my car trying to contain my tumultuous emotions. I had never struck back at my enemies before, and I felt a small sense of spiteful gratification for doing so. I hated them so much. Even though I splashed them with my coffee, he was still the winner. He was going home to have passionate heavenly sex with his beautiful girlfriend, and I was going home to my lonely room to sleep alone in my lonely bed. I had never felt so miserable and mistreated in my life. I cursed the world for condemning me to such suffering.

I wanted to do horrible things to that couple. I wanted to inflict pain on all young couples. It was around this point in my life that I realized I was capable of doing such things. I would happily do such things. I was capable of killing them, and I wanted to. I wanted to kill them slowly, to strip the skins off their flesh. They deserve it. The males deserve it for taking the females away from me, and the females deserve it for choosing those males instead of me.

This is a pretty good read. You get a view of his life as he slowly sinks into rage and lunacy.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

May 24, 2014 at 9:36 pm

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  1. The part where he’s at the Hunger Games premier and complaining about how his father wasn’t higher status (director instead of second unit director or whatever) reminded me of some of the stuff you’ve blogged about your parents.

    Dave Pinsen

    May 24, 2014 at 9:47 pm

  2. Why would you be interested enough to read a 100+ biography of this loser? It’s interesting enough to read a few blog posts and news stories, but I can’t imagine taking enough of an interest to go through the biography.

    Hepp

    May 24, 2014 at 9:48 pm

    • I found it too tedious to fully read. I scanned a few dozen pages then I decided to make a cobb salad at about the point he enters community college. Mmmm, the smell of frying bacon…

      Karl

      May 24, 2014 at 10:24 pm

  3. I only skimmed his rant, but it’s bizarre because he goes on and on about being rejected by women, but never once (that I saw) actually describes an incident where he got rejected! Did he ever even make an approach?? I think he felt rejected simply because women didn’t approach him with offers.

    A further irony is that he was an aspie, but rich and ok looking, so there might have been times when girls did approach him and all but offer themselves and he was too retarded to understand what was going on!

    The only possible world where this guy could’ve been happy with his life, is one where girls approached him with direct offers of sex.

    Rain And

    May 24, 2014 at 10:32 pm

    • I don’t think he would even want to talk to me (since I do not fit his ideal of pulchritude as I have shoulder-length black hair, somewhat shy, and short), nor it would be unlikely that I would be interested in him. Since he wanted hot girls (presumably not aspie girls), he would not likely broadcast his interest in Pokémon when competing with other alpha males.

      No, even before I was a Catholic, I would not give a direct offer for sexual intercourse.

      Latias

      May 24, 2014 at 11:07 pm

      • the offer is seldom as direct as “let’s f—.”

        but women have offered themselves to me, so i guess it happens to other guys. women i hadn’t even dated. women i hardly knew.

        i guess i’m weird, because some were actually quite attractive, but everything that comes after wasn’t worth it. and one of the women was married with children.

        jorge videla

        May 25, 2014 at 7:48 pm

    • He did say he sat outside a Domino’s Pizza waiting for a girl to come and talk to him.

      He spilled a coffee on a couple that was making out at a starbucks and ran away. He also walked out of his class in the middle because he was sitting behind a couple taking the class together. He says he felt really satisfied when he cut the line at the airport because he had first class tickets and gave the other passengers a smirk.

      Somehow, I don’t think getting laid every day would have solved his problems.

      jordan

      May 25, 2014 at 1:38 am

      • AFCs who can’t get laid usually get into very puzzling behaviors.

        JS

        May 25, 2014 at 11:11 am

      • if you’re killing people, getting laid is not the biggest problem you’ve had.

        jordan

        May 25, 2014 at 4:20 pm

      • Prolonged incelness is what made him killed people.

        JS

        May 25, 2014 at 5:20 pm

    • I still wouldn’t mind riding around in his BMW along the Santa Barbara beach while “Higher Love” is playing. How come he just doesn’t lower his standards for a woman who has a different hair color or short stature (like myself), although I do not dress like a hot woman (for instance, I rarely wear high heels or short skirts/pants)? Most of my beauty relies on the possession of child-like visage and facial features and slender physique; while this makes me look quite “cute” and “adorable” and makes me about a standard deviation above average (but below the 95% percentile) relative to other women, since I lack mature feminine traits, particularly a curvaceous body and ample breasts, and height this puts a ceiling on my physical attractiveness. I probably am not physically endowed enough to be considered “gorgeous” or “stunning”, especially with my fairly modest fashion sense. I am not upset nor do I suffer much insecurity or vain preoccupation concerning my appearance, but I am just posing this as a practical question. Do men have an all or nothing mentality towards women?

      I actually like relatively slim, effete men with oriental facial features and who dresses like a metrosexual. Elliot Rodger can certainly fulfill that. I also want him to know a few things about empiricist philosophy or the philosophy of science, be equal to or better at mathematics than I am (a low 700 on the SAT-M), have some competence and general intellectual fascination in some scientific domain, OR someone who is quite versed in political philosophy (and especially someone who is critical of the United States’ economic and foreign, from a political realist perspective, not from the standard liberal leftist ideology or someone is to sympathetic to Marxism-Leninism) or we would have few things to discuss.

      Latias

      May 25, 2014 at 2:35 am

      • Derailing a thread with a boyfriend fantasy about a dead mass murderer isn’t the least bit creepy.

        Rain And

        May 25, 2014 at 7:28 am

      • I only said that I wanted to ride in a BMW with the 80s music. I did like his YouTube videos; it is like playing the GTA series with the car radio on a pop 80s channel and the scenery is quite nice. Still, most of the above comments were not about a fantasy but rather whether Elliot Rodger (or any other man) would be attracted to my physique.

        Well, while writing the last paragraph, I wrote the first sentence and second “I also want him,,,”. Then, I put in “Elliot Rodger can fulfill that” between those sentences. So, initially, “he” referred to any “slim, effete” “metrosexual” man (not Elliot Rodger), but my main point was that looks would not suffice.

        Latias

        May 25, 2014 at 8:23 am

      • @Rain And,

        She’s fantasizing about a killer. The ultimate bad boy.

        dsgntd_plyr

        May 25, 2014 at 8:46 am

      • Latias, I’m slightly aroused, but, alas, I’m not your type. By your description, I peg you for a Lisa Loeb-type, circa 1994.

        E. Rekshun

        May 25, 2014 at 2:44 pm

      • Latias, I assume that you might be a Latin female, and raised Catholic. I was once engaged to a delightful, attractive, Catholic, Cuban woman. Over the past couple of years, I’ve contacted a few old acquaintances as to her whereabouts and searched on-line for her w/o success.

        E. Rekshun

        May 25, 2014 at 3:05 pm

      • Or trolling us, dsgntd_plyr 🙂

        Francis

        May 25, 2014 at 4:13 pm

      • “Do men have an all or nothing mentality towards women?” ————

        No, of course not. Hetero men who have aged beyond adolescence will F most anything female as long as 1) they don’t fear she will become a pest; 2) there won’t be health repercussions; or 3) there won’t be repercussions from other potential mates learning, and being disgusted by, the guy’s behavior. Gay men might want women only for their looks, but not hetero men. Most guys beyond adolescence have slept with a 3 or lower and enjoyed the experience.

        Curle

        May 25, 2014 at 5:13 pm

      • I am not Hispanic, but I am Caucasian while being about quarter oriental.

        Look up the name “Latias”. By no means it is indicative of a Latin-American ethnic identity.

        Latias

        May 25, 2014 at 5:46 pm

    • Physically unattractive men in America need to reside in areas where people are generally bland and unkempt in their appearance. They also need to live in cities where there is a lower ratio of women; high status regions where women outnumber men such as NYC and Southern California can be a torture for an ugly guy who sees sexy women roaming around with high status men.

      JS

      May 25, 2014 at 11:19 am

      • Yes. Unintentionally, I’ve used this “big fish/little pond” strategy in my choice of employer and (relatively low cost) city of residence. And it’s turned out quite nicely- both socially and financially.

        E. Rekshun

        May 25, 2014 at 2:49 pm

      • Elliot Rodgers would have been happier up in Herbivore – San Francisco.

        JS

        May 25, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    • but perhaps expectations/stereotypes of male sexual behavior are as unrealistic as they are for women.

      it’s not that i was “flummoxed”.

      i just didn’t want the hassle.

      sex for the sake of sex is boring.

      jorge videla

      May 25, 2014 at 7:52 pm

      • Guys have sex with gals who pursue them because it is almost always good sex. They are often high strung and would be impossible to live around, but their inherent nuttiness makes them animals in bed. Think Lewinsky and Angelina Jolie. In both instances a highly sexed nut displaced a stable, and presumably boring, woman.

        These highly sexed nuts are everywhere and most guys have encountered them. Because they are nuts and because they’ve screwed everyone there’s some risk here. Which is why it isn’t dumb to say no. However, this fellow would have been well served by putting himself in the path of one of these broads and saying yes.

        In the end Mr. Robinson was probably a good thing for Benjamin Braddock.

        Curle

        May 25, 2014 at 9:34 pm

    • Spot on mate !

      Adam

      May 26, 2014 at 1:05 am

  4. Serious question — how was he able to put this together? Does anyone actually remember his/her childhood with this much detail? It’s scary.

    Renault

    May 24, 2014 at 10:43 pm

    • idk, I remember mine well enough. I may or may not have a similar [in concept] autobiography.

      SebZear

      May 25, 2014 at 5:22 am

  5. He could’ve easily fucked fat chicks, but said “no.”

    Vince, the Lionhearted

    May 24, 2014 at 11:12 pm

    • My thoughts exactly. Or made some effort with Asian chicks, since he was half Asian and there’s a huge Asian social scene at Santa Barbara. But he only wanted the top blondes in sororities at UCSB, where he wasn’t even a student. Sounds sexually unmotivated to me.

      Sheila Tone

      May 25, 2014 at 2:25 pm

      • yeah.

        it’s not that women want an offensive lineman, they just want a man who’s taller and more robust than they are.

        i’m sure there were some short gracile women as desperate as he was.

        jorge videla

        May 25, 2014 at 7:54 pm

  6. Lion, you deserve some praise. You’ve been writing about beta male rage for years, and it finally looks like your predictions are coming true.

    Here is a comment i left at a gawker a few weeks ago:

    “The rise of the female bread winner has left in its wake a significant number of twentysomething boys who cannot get laid, much less married! These boys are called beta males; these are the guys that, were they to go to a party, would be ignored by the majority of girls, who gravitate towards the good-looking(read: privileged) alpha male and are creeped out by the “nice guy” in the corner.

    These boys, had they been born before the victory of feminism, would have enjoyed a life with a partner. Now they will go through life alone, sated by pornography and video games. Some of them will lash out at society (Lanza, Sordini, Columbine, Virginia Tech), and others will fall inline, working at supermarkets or the IT departments of BIGLAW firms, subordinate to the pantsuit lawyer who goes out every Friday and fucks another alpha (read: polygamy). According to Sandberg, she’s not confident. Hah, tell that to the beta who hasn’t approached a girl in years.

    If history has taught me anything, it is that men always get what they want, in the end. Young boys with nothing to lose who are disaffected with society are dangerous . As a rule, you want to keep the young men happy because they go nuts when they don’t get what they want. Right now, the boys are sated with video games and porn. How long this will last, i don’t know.”

    And how correct did my comment turn out to be?

    Josh

    May 24, 2014 at 11:38 pm

    • To add further, anyone going into an IT department in a corporate or BIGLAW outfit is a beta loser. I did once enrolled in a technical school in the past and to come to think of it, to see how foolish those IT proles could be by thinking that they were more alpha that the SWPLs who beckon them when there’s a computer problem, not knowing that lawyers have more status than IT guys, anywhere at anytime in human history.

      JS

      May 25, 2014 at 12:15 am

      • You ever think some people just might not give a crap about status?

        jordan

        May 25, 2014 at 1:01 am

      • Those who don’t, will eventually understand that status is what gets you ahead of life (including with women and dating), and it will be too late already.

        Female hypergamy is already becoming a strong indicator in the NAM community (as many college educated black and Hispanic women) no longer want to associate with their alpha thugs in the streets, and want to meet a guy who is in a powerful White collar realm, such Finance or BIGLAW, and of course, White men would be that candidate. This is where the Manosphere is wrong to say women prefer alpha bad boys in a physical sense.

        JS

        May 25, 2014 at 11:06 am

      • again, not everyone is interested in getting ahead, in money, or marrying up. all of your opinions seem to hinge on the idea that everyone thinks exactly like you do.

        jordan

        May 25, 2014 at 3:27 pm

      • those who say “racism” is a thing of the past just have to look at the sexual marketplace.

        there are a very few white women who actually prefer black men, but in general white men are the most sought after by all races.

        ne asian women think all white men are sex gods.

        well, compared to joe chinaman they are!

        jorge videla

        May 25, 2014 at 7:59 pm

      • Yes, very few White women like Tyrone.

        But the Denzel Washington types, they’ll take over Joe Chinaman anytime of the day.

        Steve Urkel get more play from Plain Jane Wonderbread than your average Asian nerd.

        JS

        May 25, 2014 at 10:18 pm

    • “…working at supermarkets or the IT departments of BIGLAW firms…”

      Pretty sure that I wouldn’t be able to own my nice house and new car in the NYC ‘burbs working at a supermarket. And I could care less who the mostly unattractive and bitchy female lawyers are fucking.

      JB

      May 25, 2014 at 11:04 am

    • Lanza had schizophrenia. Soudini and Rodgers didn’t.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      May 25, 2014 at 11:42 am

      • Lanza had extreme weirdness.

        Elliot Rodger, as far as I can tell, only suffers from social anxiety, and later depression, but the depression was because he was lonely because his social anxiety prevented him from making friends.

      • No, he suffers from incelness. There are loners who get laid, and then there are social butterfly virgins.

        JS

        May 25, 2014 at 2:55 pm

      • they had Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Not just narcissistic traits that most people have, but like a serious mental disorder which they didn’t understand they had. Rodger didn’t understand why his friend wasn’t as envious as he was about everyone and decided that it was because he was “weak.”

        He also was desperate for power and god-like status, confused why people with worse cars than he had were able have girlfriends.

        If you actually read the thing straight through, there’s no way you can attribute his actions to social anxiety and depression. He still had friends, but having a few friends wasn’t enough for him. He didn’t lose his friends due to social anxiety. He lost his friends because every time he saw a couple being happy or a Mexican with a White girl, or a girl that didn’t smile back at him, he got into a serious rage and did things like dump a coffee onto the couple. That and the fact that he could not comprehend why his friends didn’t feel the same… That’s not losing friends due to social anxiety.

        jordan

        May 25, 2014 at 3:35 pm

      • so lanza heard voices and had bizarre delusions and spoke in a word salad?

        jorge videla

        May 25, 2014 at 8:01 pm

      • you’re extremely silly man “jordan”.

        a putative disorder which has no blood test or biopsy or etc. and has no treatment! IS NOT REAL!

        jorge videla

        May 25, 2014 at 8:03 pm

      • “There are loners who get laid, and then there are social butterfly virgins.”

        A lot of people only want sex at the right time in their life and under certain circumstances. I didn’t have sex until my early 30’s – because this is when I got married and I wanted to wait until marriage for sex. Not for religious reasons. I just thought sex in marriage made the most sense. And since childhood I’ve been angry at the founders of the sexual revolution for insisting that I belonged to them ideologically because I was born in the 1960’s – as if I had no say in the matter of when I had sex. Premarital sex was supposed to be mandatory because I was too young to remember life before the 1960’s. “F them”, I thought (figuratively, speaking, of course!)

        MaryK

        May 26, 2014 at 9:48 pm

      • MaryK – Guys are different, and I can’t imagine any hormone raging hetero man in America wanting to lose their virginity only after marriage.

        JS

        May 26, 2014 at 10:56 pm

      • there was a black nba-er. he played a long time for the lakers.

        but nowadays anal means you’re still a virgin.

        and maryk is right on one point.

        traditional morals aren’t always against human nature. though they usually are.

        without birth control even red blooded hetero men would have been irresponsible to sew there seed wherever.

        the stereotype of the man sex-bot and the woman who’s only interested in “feelings” is false.

        jorge videla

        May 27, 2014 at 7:36 pm

    • you are correct sir!

      women’s lib has been a disaster for 1. children 2. for men 3. for women.

      jorge videla

      May 25, 2014 at 7:56 pm

  7. Lion, this kid might have read HBD blogs, and the SPLC Is now getting involved.

    http://jezebel.com/elliot-rodgers-final-videos-racist-postings-leaked-1581163115

    Josh

    May 24, 2014 at 11:54 pm

  8. Lion – You are spot on about the interracial mixing between White men and Asian women, which is being celebrated by the liberal media. But then, it’s beta men who go out with Asian women and marry them, and most of them can’t teach their sons anything that is “alpha” because of their father’s inherent betaness.

    JS

    May 25, 2014 at 12:08 am

    • but is it female hypergamy?

      it seems to me that ne asian females prefer a white guy loser to most ne asian men.

      i think it’s mostly physical.

      that is, white men tend to be taller and more robust than ne asian men.

      jorge videla

      May 25, 2014 at 8:05 pm

      • Beta White Joe is better than Beta Joe Chinaguy.

        JS

        May 25, 2014 at 10:21 pm

  9. The fact is that society can survive these occasional killing sprees by beta males. So 7 more people died in addition to the thousands who died yesterday anyway. Tomorrow, with the exception of the families involved, everyone will go on about their daily lives as if this had never happened. Women aren’t, en masse, going to suddenly give up their freedom to screw as many dudes as they want and neither are the dudes screwing them going to want them to. So some dweeb on the outside looking in kills a very, very small percentage of men and women enjoying those freedoms? Big deal.

    BS Inc.

    May 25, 2014 at 12:20 am

    • It adds up in time.

      colmainen

      May 25, 2014 at 4:20 pm

      • I don’t know, it just sort of blends into the background of “risks inherent in modern life”. No one wants to have themselves or someone they care for be shot in a seemingly random fashion, but the alternative is a kind of surveillance society that would be even worse over the long haul. These 6 murder victims are the sacrifice for the rest of us being as sexually free as we are. Like I said, the families of the victims might not think that trade-off is worth it, but the rest of us, going by our actions, not our hand-wringing words, apparently do.

        BS Inc.

        May 25, 2014 at 6:53 pm

      • but concern over such extremely rare causes of death is amplified by mass media.

        that cvd is still america’s biggest killer isn’t newsworthy.

        fast food and tobacco executives are responsible for more deaths than terrorism and mass shooters by a million fold.

        jorge videla

        May 25, 2014 at 8:08 pm

      • but concern over such extremely rare causes of death is amplified by mass media.

        that cvd is still america’s biggest killer isn’t newsworthy.

        fast food and tobacco executives are responsible for more deaths than terrorism and mass shooters by a million fold.”

        Sensational news does sell, but it doesn’t alter the bigger picture.

        STDs transmitted by promiscuous people having unprotected sex have also killed more people than this guy did, but we don’t see wall-to-wall coverage of the emergence of untreatable gonorrhea or syphilis, either.

        BS Inc.

        May 25, 2014 at 10:12 pm

  10. at the end of the day, he was still a skinny white guy with a bmw.

    he looked relatively normal, had no deformities, was a statistically normal size.

    Feminism isn’t what was stopping this guy from having a relationship. Being part Chinese wasn’t stopping this guy from being in a relationship.

    His mentality is so similar to George Sodini’s and white men who are misogynists. He was so obsessed with it that it couldn’t be anything other than a mental illness. He is a murderer, and it was probably obvious to anyone who talked to him for more than a minute that something was seriously wrong with him.

    jordan

    May 25, 2014 at 12:24 am

    • Social anxiety and low self-esteem caused by bullying prevented him from having a relationship.

      • Really? i get the impression that he was messed up for a long time, and he seemed to know it. If he were bullied, it would seem like it would have been because he was so weird in the first place, and not the other way around (where bullying would cause him to be weird).

        He was obsessed with status and had extreme envy and jealousy and obviously had no problems killing people. He also thought he was destined to be some kind of great intellectual and wouldn’t work in retail due to that reason?

        Sounds like Narcissistic Personality Disorder

        jordan

        May 25, 2014 at 12:58 am

      • Any region in America that is expensive and desirable for women, is a place where men desire status. Southern California and the Los Angeles area is one of those regions. NYC is another.

        JS

        May 25, 2014 at 11:23 am

      • JS, if most people in the world desired status above most other things, this world would be an extremely different place. Sure, many people wouldn’t mind having some extra status. And sure LA and NYC probably draw a lot of people who are status-obsessed. But the majority people don’t think like that.

        Who do you think ends up with status? The people thinking about status? Or the people obsessed with banking. The people who think about status? Or the people obsessed with human anatomy. Or people obsessed with making movies. If you’re obsessed with status, if that is your number one obsessesion, you’re already done. You can make six figures and be content with that for the rest of your life. The kid that is obsessed with robotics will be content with 9.50 an hour between now and the year 2025 when he founds his robotics company.

        jordan

        May 25, 2014 at 3:49 pm

      • ” low self-esteem caused by bullying” ————-

        Really? Then he should have hit back.

        Curle

        May 25, 2014 at 5:25 pm

      • Geez, and when I think of all the geeky guys I’ve known, who got plenty of women because they played guitar or sang had some thing they did well that gave them visibility to women. I mean every sort of geek, nerd, dork and spazz, if they could play in a band.. WOW is just not cutting it.

        caroljm36

        May 25, 2014 at 5:42 pm

      • You didn’t get my drift. Men need status in regions such as Southern California and NYC in order to attract desired mates (attractive women in many cases).

        This guy apparently didn’t have any, despite his upper middle class or upper class background. No looks, no credentials, nothing….

        The sight of being slighted because beautiful women are rampant, and yet he couldn’t get any was torturing for him. He would have felt happier in a place such as San Francisco, where pretty women are much rarer, or women for that matter. And no surprise as SF/Bay Area attracts Herbivore – Omega types into the region.

        JS

        May 25, 2014 at 5:52 pm

      • status wasn’t this guy’s problem. he actually was genuinely flabbergasted that other people had girlfriends though they drove a worse car than he did. This guy had a serious mental illness. do you think the guys that he envied at city college with their girlfriends needed status? He keeps talking about how envious he is with poor people that are fat and ugly who have girlfriends.

        Somehow I think all the status in the world would not have been enough for Rodger. There was something wrong with his brain.

        jordan

        May 25, 2014 at 8:10 pm

      • Status is the guy’s problem. He’s short, very Asian in appearance, and not attractive for SWPL women.

        His story is all exaggerated and his mental illness stems from incelness. Most hetero guy who can’t get laid develop mental problems.

        JS

        May 25, 2014 at 10:25 pm

      • yet all over his writing he’s complaining that asians, mexicans, ugly people, fat people, slobs, and people driving crappy cars are getting women and he is not. and it’s not like he was 35 with no car. he was 22 driving a bmw. a 35 year old with no car can get a girl in LA. that’s something i’ve personally witnessed. status was not even close to being his real problem. if he had a hot girlfriend, he’d still have serious issues that he’d have to deal with.

        jordan

        May 26, 2014 at 5:19 am

      • He had high standards and didn’t have the status to meet his expectations.

        His story is all exaggerated and his mental illness comes from his lack of status to meet his standards. He wants a hot blond but having a BMW is not enough to get one.

        JS

        May 26, 2014 at 10:04 am

      • A BMW does not cure social anxiety.

      • You can’t honestly read his autobiography and conclude that status was the problem. Even if status was his problem, he’d have to have had another problem in the first place to allow status to become his problem.

        jordan

        May 26, 2014 at 2:56 pm

      • Status was a problem. Foremost, he was comparing himself to those unattractive brown men who were able to score blondes and he couldn’t, despite his “good” looks. That’s about status. Maybe those brown men were doctors and had the same BMWs that he had, where he had no credentials of his own, that’s about status. Or they were better looking and smoother talkers with the ladies, as he laments blacks with Hondas are able to score blondes, and he has a BMW and can’t get any. Or maybe black guys in Southern California are ranked higher than a short Eurasian guy like him.

        JS

        May 26, 2014 at 4:19 pm

      • But some of those people were clearly not doctors. They were his classmates at a city college. They were complete strangers his age at a random party. Unless you really believe you have to be a doctor to have a girlfriend or that everyone at a city college that has a girlfriend has some kind of secret status, his wealth and his looks and his height were not the problem. He wasn’t statistically abnormal. He wasn’t as physically unattractive as you seem to think.

        Status wasn’t his problem. And if you read what he wrote, you would know that. He was GENUINELY CONFUSED why girls wouldn’t approach him on every street corner and suddenly become his girlfriend. He couldn’t comprehend why that never happened. He also couldn’t comprehend why his friends who didn’t have girlfriends didn’t feel the EXACT SAME WAY as he did. That’s not a status problem, that’s a mental problem that all the status in the world wouldn’t be able to fix.

        He says a bunch of high schoolers walked into the same restaurant and he got extremely angry, and his friend knew he was going to dump his drink on them, because it happened several times before. He then says “I didn’t understand why James wasn’t angry like me.” His brain COULD NOT COMPREHEND how James wouldn’t be angry. He goes on to say “I told him my desire to flay them alive, to strip the skins off their flesh and make them scream in agony as PUNISHMENT FOR LIVING A BETTER LIFE THEN ME.”

        and about the chubby guy who is three inches shorter than him: “I didn’t UNDERSTAND how a chubby and unattractive guy like Spencer would have been able to get a girlfriend, while I’ve never had the chance to. The guy was THREE INCHES SHORTER THAN ME, and even I am considered short for my age. I could not FATHOM how such a thing was possible.”

        He says “I am the closest thing there is to a living god” and believed that he was destined to win the Lottery and that he felt that the money was already his.

        To think that his problems stem from not having status is ludicrous. His problem (he says it over and over again) is that he can’t understand the mind of another human being. It is completely blocked off to him.

        jordan

        May 26, 2014 at 6:58 pm

      • “Or maybe black guys in Southern California are ranked higher than a short Eurasian guy like him.”

        Or maybe there really is no “Rank” at all? Maybe girls can date whomever they want? Would that be shocking to you? Would you be able to Fathom that?

        jordan

        May 26, 2014 at 7:01 pm

    • Yes, I was going to post that as my informal lay diagnosis: narcissistic personality disorder.

      He appears to have a massive sense of entitlement; little or no regard for the rights or feelings of other people; and extreme hatred and contempt for those who do not give him what he feels he deserves. All of these are classic symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder.

      I think it’s common for children with personality disorders to be mis-diagnosed, in large part because personality disorders are difficult or impossible to treat.

      sabril

      May 25, 2014 at 12:08 pm

      • Remember Amy Bishop? Another killer with a huge sense of entitlement who punched a woman for taking the last booster seat at a restaurant. she also didn’t want people in her writer’s group to see what kind of car she drove.

        it’s so strange that rodger seems to have never come close to some kind of self-diagnosis. He NEVER seems to think his envy is extreme or out of the ordinary and wonders why his friends aren’t filled with the same rage and envy. I wonder if it’s even cognitively possible for him to self-diagnose or realize that what HE is doing is the thing that is abnormal, instead of thinking what his FRIENDS are doing is abnormal. His brain just simply might not be physically capable of doing that.

        jordan

        May 25, 2014 at 5:01 pm

      • Psychologists refer to this issue as “insight” — the ability to assess that something is wrong with one’s mind. For example, people with obsessive-compulsive disorder usually have good insight, i.e. they are usually aware that something is wrong.

        People with personality disorders usually have poor insight. They are not capable if grasping the fact that something is wrong with them. Which is probably part of the reason they are so difficult to treat.

        sabril

        May 25, 2014 at 7:35 pm

      • a difference in degree doesn’t make an illness.

        being fat. having high blood pressure. having high blood sugar.

        none of these is pathological in itself.

        as soon as pathology is defined as merely being abnormal…THERE WILL ALWAYS BE PATHOLOGY!

        jorge videla

        May 25, 2014 at 8:15 pm

    • but the “something was seriously wrong with him…” wasn’t necessarily mental illness.

      hey. i think there’s something “seriously wrong” with ALL republicans.

      jorge videla

      May 25, 2014 at 8:10 pm

  11. Maybe this makes me a bad person, but my first thought when I saw the headlines was “haha, this will make for some hilarious posts on the hbd blogs…”

    SJ

    May 25, 2014 at 12:39 am

    • Same reaction here. :-]

      Thomas

      May 25, 2014 at 1:36 am

    • Admittedly, the Catholic instinct in me wants me to pray for the victims, but I haven’t done that. I am quite fascinated by this (and I like his taste in music).

      Latias

      May 25, 2014 at 6:50 am

    • Yes, I knew I could come to Lion.

      Sheila Tone

      May 25, 2014 at 2:26 pm

  12. Start at 6:45 in. Wow.

    GMR

    May 25, 2014 at 12:53 am

    • This is actually my first exposure to some pickup artist advice. How many PUA gurus recommend steroids (the physiological side effects are likely exaggerated but most would probably use it get an extra 10 pounds or so beyond what can comet through natural training not to become a beast)?

      Latias

      May 25, 2014 at 7:15 am

      • A healthy young guy doesn’t need steroids to put on 10lbs of muscle. The Starting Strength novice program plus a gallon of milk per day will do it.

        Dave Pinsen

        May 25, 2014 at 11:02 am

      • I think that Elliot had an ectomorhpic body that doesn’t put on muscle at all.

      • Yes, a lot of Asians are ectomorphs. A lot of West Coast Asians are especially ectomorphic, perhaps due to the healthy California diet regimen, that many SWPLs and “assimilated” non-Whites get into, or that they are adhering to an Asian diet.

        I think Elliot saw himself as a White guy with “White” motivations, and not his Asian half.

        JS

        May 25, 2014 at 12:22 pm

      • I was a reedy 146 pound sophomore in college, at 5’9”. I had been a non-committal lifter in high school, for baseball and soccer, and for one semester at a community college (how prole!).

        Then I saw a picture of Bob Paris, who, as far as I am concerned, took the human body its limit. I put on 25 pounds, naturally, then I started with testosterone. I’ve been on everything, including human growth hormone and insulin, and have been as heavy as 230 pounds — where I had trouble sleeping, breathing, walking up stairs, or even sitting down comfortably. Now, I stay around 180 pounds, extremely lean, and on a relatively light dose (250 mg test cyp per week, occasionally bumping up to 600 mg, and once a year, running trenbolone acetate at 75 mg every other day for two months).

        The only side-effects I had were balding (but all my uncles are bald and my father is thinning, so that just exacerbated what nature had in store for me) and acne on my back.

        I know a guy who is into the PUA scene and I hooked him up with some gear, but he never really took lifting seriously — he always claimed that he could do better than big, beefed up guys because all the time they spent at the gym, he spent talking to girls.

        Logan Circle Dreaming

        May 25, 2014 at 12:30 pm

      • Well there are two sorts of skinny men: Skinny men who put on muscle when they lift weights, and skinny men who don’t (or put on so little that they get discouraged and quit).

      • @LOTB

        He’d still be able to put on a bit of muscle. Hell, he’d probably end up with perma-abs.

        Renault

        May 25, 2014 at 2:03 pm

      • His genetics prevented him from getting any muscle. Why is that so hard for some people to believe? People want to blame him for his body-type which he had no control over.

      • Ectomorphs can put on muscle. They just have to eat like champs.

        Dave Pinsen

        May 25, 2014 at 2:23 pm

      • “He wrote about lifting weights, at least mentioned it but there was no follow-up. I suspect that his skinny frame put on no-muscle at all despite the efforts, and he gave up.”

        I mentioned Starting Strength specifically, because if you follow the program to the letter, you will get noticeable results. Results will vary based on your age, gender, and genetics, but you will see results. Kid probably winged it.

        Dave Pinsen

        May 25, 2014 at 2:27 pm

      • Because anyone who’s spent time in a gym (or on a team, or in the military, whatever) has seen time and time again that ectomorphs can and do put on muscle when they commit to doing so. I’m not suggesting anything ridiculous. Are they going to end up looking like Ronnie Coleman? No. But so what?

        Genetics does play a huge role, but to suggest that a guy cannot improve somewhat upon what he’s been given is just silly. Odds are he dicked around (probably spent a lot of time doing laps and drinking water) in the gym once or twice, hated it, and gave up.

        Renault

        May 25, 2014 at 2:29 pm

      • Almost any man who wants to add muscle can do so if he’s sufficiently motivated. Those who claim a genetic barrier almost always aren’t trying hard enough.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        May 25, 2014 at 2:49 pm

      • “His genetics prevented him from getting any muscle. Why is that so hard for some people to believe?”

        Because it’s such a convenient excuse and he seems like the type of person to seize upon convenient excuses instead of putting sustained, uncomfortable effort into achieving anything.

        I agree that people vary in their natural tendency to add muscle as a result of resistance exercise, but it’s extremely rare for a young man to be unable to increase his musculature. Do a Google image search for Chinese coal miners, you will see that many are skinny but none are scrawny.

        sabril

        May 25, 2014 at 2:50 pm

      • @Dave Pinsen: …plus a gallon of milk per day will do it.

        I think you’re right. I’ve worked out with weights for 30 years, but it’s been hard to put muscle on my 6-1, 160 lb., lean, toned, ectomorph frame. I recently switched from 2% milk to whole milk (about a half gallon per day) and seem to have put on five lbs. or muscle in two weeks. And I’m 50 y/o.

        E. Rekshun

        May 25, 2014 at 3:00 pm

      • Genetics does play a huge role, but to suggest that a guy cannot improve somewhat upon what he’s been given is just silly.

        A male butterface is not well sought after by ladies. He could have a superior physique yet his face is unattractive, making his carved body a moot issue.

        JS

        May 25, 2014 at 5:26 pm

      • Ectomorphic guys do better in europe. You see loads of skinny, well dressed types in london or milan and they pull a much better breed of women.

        uatu

        May 25, 2014 at 6:28 pm

      • Ectomorphic guys do better in europe. You see loads of skinny, well dressed types in london or milan and they pull a much better breed of women.

        He’s not an ectomorphic White guy, but a mongrel who looks more Asian than White. He’s also short and not very good looking. He certainly will not do well in an Anglosphere country, and in Southern Europe, the ladies aren’t big on race mixing.

        JS

        May 25, 2014 at 7:59 pm

      • i made no gains for a long time.

        then i quit for months and got fat.

        and voila, i’m stronger than ever, and in every part of my body.

        i

        jorge videla

        May 25, 2014 at 8:20 pm

  13. The effort he put into this 140-page screed putting on permanent display for the entire world what a loser he is could have been channeled into any number of productive endeavors: a couple straight-A semesters at school; learning to play guitar; hundreds of hours practicing a sport he could have been good at despite his frail physique such as golf or tennis. He could have gotten involved in something cool like theater or art and made friends with fun artistic girls with loose morals who would have been impressed by his Hollywood connections.

    What a despicable loser.

    McFly

    May 25, 2014 at 12:56 am

    • Yes I agree to a large extent. If he had dealt with his girl problems in an organized and mature way, he would have had little difficulty getting laid based on his passable looks (which could have been enhanced with daily trips to the gym); his wealthy background; and his connections with the entertainment industry.

      But I think that his intense narcissism would have gotten in the way. It would not have been enough for him to have some mousy little oriental girl; it would not have been enough to bust his ass and land some hot blond. Instead, he needed to have beautiful girls throwing themselves at him as if he was James Bond.

      sabril

      May 25, 2014 at 12:17 pm

      • He wrote about lifting weights, at least mentioned it but there was no follow-up. I suspect that his skinny frame put on no-muscle at all despite the efforts, and he gave up.

      • It’s more likely that he simply put no effort into it. Look at the rest of his life.

        Renault

        May 25, 2014 at 2:04 pm

      • Plenty of chicks like skinny waifish New Wave half-Asian guys, no gym required. I speak from experience. Often, though, those dudes turn out to be gay.

        This guy’s main problem appears to be that he just did not socialize. He got dragged to parties occasionally and sat there and stared at people. I hate to even blame that on his Asperger’s, because there are plenty of Aspie types who just hang around other oddballs and geeks. For some reason, this guy had no contact with any of the many cultures or groups that are often open to people like him. He wanted to be king of the frat boys.

        Sheila Tone

        May 25, 2014 at 2:31 pm

      • It just makes me ask how come he didn’t try steroids if really wanted more muscle? He certainly could acquire them; he’s smart enough to use them; and he most certainly does not possess any moral scruples regarding their user.

        Latias

        May 25, 2014 at 2:37 pm

      • “It’s more likely that he simply put no effort into it. Look at the rest of his life.”

        Agree, it seems pretty much everything was handed to him on a silver platter. I’m not knocking privilege but it does seem like it can be a handicap. It seems like he rarely if ever had the experience of being denied something he wanted; putting in sustained and focused effort; achieving whatever it was he wanted; and getting a feeling of mastery and accomplishment.

        Basically his childhood was blissful because his parents took care of all his wants and needs but once he hit puberty his parents were no longer able to do that because we don’t have an arranged-marriage culture.

        sabril

        May 25, 2014 at 4:53 pm

      • There are a quite of number of Asian commentators here who think he would’ve achieved sexual satisfaction had he exerted effort in self improvement. Yes, only if he was in an Asian crowd. Low tier beta White men generally can’t associate with White women, let alone this guy, who was short with very prominent Asiatic features. Had he look like Bruce Lee’s son or a Keanu Reeves, he would not have this problem, and have gotten an opportunity.

        JS

        May 25, 2014 at 5:17 pm

      • I noticed he has thick lips, which probably comes from his mother side, who’s likely to be Southeast Asian or Southern Chinese with their australoid – negroid features. His nose is also very Asiatic, and his eyes are as well.

        Kate Beckinsale who’s only slight with her Southeast Asian ancestry, show a distinctive mouth that is typical of Southeastern Asiatics.

        JS

        May 25, 2014 at 5:35 pm

      • Race mixing can be atrocious, as one can see it with Kate Beckinsale.

        JS

        May 25, 2014 at 5:38 pm

      • Killer Hapa should have gone for acting. Introversion and narcissism combine well in that profession, his height would be less of an issue, daddy’s in the business. It’s a reasonable shot at the blondes.

        Glengarry

        May 25, 2014 at 5:56 pm

      • Plenty of chicks like skinny waifish New Wave half-Asian guys…

        with huge penises.

        jorge videla

        May 25, 2014 at 8:23 pm

      • If you’re not very tall, adding muscle looks bad. At 5’9″ he’s better off skinny.

        pumpkinperson

        May 25, 2014 at 11:27 pm

    • Bingo! I should have scrolled down before I posted above. Cyberspace is killing these kids’ drive. Jesus they need to get OUT there doing something active and public…

      caroljm36

      May 25, 2014 at 5:46 pm

    • What a despicable loser…

      errr…you do know that if he’d thought of himself as you do, you’d be one of his victims?

      jorge videla

      May 25, 2014 at 8:21 pm

  14. if psychiatry is permitted to diagnose people with such and such when those people differ only in degree from normal or the mean…this really is a slippery slope. and in the case of ADD/ADHD psychiatrists have actually described this “condition” as merely being so many SDs from the mean.

    there is genuine “mental illness”, but it’s always a difference in kind. there are no degrees to hearing voices. you hear voices or you don’t.

    this is true even of mental retardation. if there’s no pathology or genetic abnormality or whatever behind it, it’s not a “disorder”, it’s just part of the distribution.

    the greatest heavyweight ever imho was described by his black friends as “slow”. that was Joe Louis.

    jorge videla

    May 25, 2014 at 1:02 am

  15. Blows a hole in your theory about how “proles are the scum of the earth”. It looks like the upper-class can be quite barbaric and out of control. Haha…

    Edward S

    May 25, 2014 at 1:51 am

    • For thus purpose he is an asian for whom different rules apply.

      colmainen

      May 25, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    • Decadent Hollywood movie business types, while they may make a lot of money, don’t count as “upper-class”.

      Toad

      May 25, 2014 at 7:28 pm

  16. “My client’s mission in life will be to try to prevent any such tragedies from ever happening again,” he said. “This country, this world, needs to address mental illness and the ramifications from not recognizing these illnesses.”

    now that’s cowardice!

    as long as such events are blamed always on “mental illness” they will keep happening and more frequently.

    as long as “just say no” is the social norm america will continue to have by far the highest incarceration rate in the world.

    the locus of pathology is always found in the individual in les etats unis merdeux.

    jorge videla

    May 25, 2014 at 1:51 am

  17. if we regulate the economic free market, why don’t we regulate the free sexual market?

    Well, we do, and it’s called monogamy. Monogamy worked in the past because 90%+ of people got married. Monogamy ensured that almost everyone got a girl, and that no one person got more than their fair share.

    Now that marriage is utterly destroyed, monogamy no longer works.

    So what can be done?

    Josh

    May 25, 2014 at 1:54 am

    • nothing can be done. you can not just turn around 50 years of destroying the family. the inertia has already made it unstoppable

      eric Cartman

      May 25, 2014 at 8:58 am

  18. Kudos to Lion for taking an interest on the issue and being objective about it. Unlike all the lousy commenters who are all rushing to disassociate with the “loser” by all means, including the nonsensical claim that the kid was gay, when he was obviously obsessed about having sex with blond women.

    Yes the kid was fucked up in the head, had an almost sociopathic sense of entitlement and made a long list of bad choices. But the point is to see why a seemingly normal kid ended up like this, instead of calling him names.

    spandrell

    May 25, 2014 at 4:26 am

    • I don’t see that he feels any more entitled that a typical guido. He just doesn’t know how to express his feelings of entitlement in a manner that girls approve of, because he didn’t develop good “social skills” in middle school and high school.

      • Well howling at “the injustice!” of other men being with women instead of him, and his constant proclaiming how beautiful he is means he is quite severely clueless. We all know plenty of socially awkward kids who don’t think they’re the second coming of Dorian Grey.

        I don’t know any guidos personally but this kid was no guido, so that’s no good excuse.

        spandrell

        May 25, 2014 at 7:42 am

    • He wasn’t “gay.” Elliot was homo-sexual.

      Homo = same = exact same = self.

      Elliot was in “love” with himself.

      Textbook self-annihilator.

      thordaddy

      May 25, 2014 at 11:19 am

      • Have you actually read any of the autobiography? He is actually full of self-loathing and low self-esteem.

      • Based on the meaning of the commonly used prefixes for “self” and for “love”, wouldn’t one in love with himself be properly labeled an “autophile?” Although if you wanted to claim that a commonly used term is inappropriately defined you might try “homophobia” – which linguistically should mean “fear of the same” or “fear of someone similar to oneself” rather than fear or dislike of homosexuals.

        MaryK

        May 25, 2014 at 4:19 pm

      • yes. “homophobia” is a very stupid term.

        jorge videla

        May 25, 2014 at 8:27 pm

  19. Elliot reminds me a lot of the main character in Chronicle http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1706593/

    SebZear

    May 25, 2014 at 5:28 am

  20. Epilogue is by far the most bizarre ,he calls women a “plague”,sex the most evil thing ever and proposes a dystopian society without females where everyone is born through artificial insemination.

    Victor

    May 25, 2014 at 6:08 am

  21. I remember the time when our kids were in High School, even more so — in college, our (with my wife) first concern, and to large extent the concerns of the child were: what particular subjects (courses) to take, what will be the major.

    Reading this guy I got the impression, that
    1) for his parents and for him it was absolutely unimportant, and
    2) actual courses he tried to take were sociology, psychology, geography, etc.
    I doubt he has finished “math”. It is unclear what level of “math” he tried to take.
    I suspect if it would be “calculus”, he would designate it so.

    Disgusting family of that guy.

    Florida resident

    May 25, 2014 at 7:54 am

    • He lived with his father to had remarried a small time actress to performed in at least one reality television show. His father’s main occupation was making commercials and his father’s work in the “Hunger GAmes” was in essence the making of an in-movie commercial. His father had traveled the world making a documentary of religion and his father has sent him to Catholic private boys school.

      I suspect that a white male who works in STEM and how had married an Asian woman would have been a much better father. Elliott would have ended up in a public school with lots of other Asians, who have focused on school, and would have avoided the entitlement culture of Hollywood.

      superdestroyer

      May 25, 2014 at 9:30 am

      • Dear superdestroyer:
        Thank you for your reaction.
        I am not sure if our daughter’s Ph.D. in human placenta research (with occasional use of atomic force microscope and Raman spectroscopy) may count as STEM, but otherwise we all (the ones alive and the ones dead, including grandparents and their grand-kids) worked and are working in STEM. This does not guarantee happiness, but it is a lot of fun.
        My respectful gratitude to Lion of the Blogosphere for keeping this nice blog.

        Florida resident

        May 25, 2014 at 10:58 am

      • my experience of ne asians, but not s asians…

        all the stereotypes are TRUE.

        they’re uncreative grinds. and racists to boot.

        jorge videla

        May 25, 2014 at 8:30 pm

  22. Ah, one thing about this story —

    Seeing photos of Isla Vista — is there any more beautiful place in the United States? The West Coast is definitely the best coast.

    I have travelled for work, but never been to southern California. I went once, in high school, for a soccer tournament. I have been all along the East Coast (Baltimore, Philly, NYC, Boston) and the middle West (St. Louis, Chicago, Cleveland, Cincinnati)…

    As I saw in Boyz in the Hood, even the ghettos of SoCal look nice! Nothing like the blown-out, charnel house vibe of some places I have driven through in Baltimore or Newark.

    Logan Circle Dreaming

    May 25, 2014 at 9:59 am

    • It IS nice. The best, actually. Too bad about all the people. It is very, very busy and congested. But if you visit, try to get to some nice places like La Jolla or Big Sur before passing judgment. The weather is to die for.

      caroljm36

      May 25, 2014 at 5:52 pm

    • and even la proper isn’t the ugly place envious ne-ers think it is.

      nw la is very nice. the santa monica mountains, beverly hills, santa monica, malibu, etc.

      jorge videla

      May 25, 2014 at 8:32 pm

  23. So what’s the verdict on his ethnicity? He looks to be Jewish Japanese.

    bjdubbs

    May 25, 2014 at 10:18 am

    • He went to Catholic School. No mention of ever entering a Synagogue. I don’t think he was Jewish. His father was an atheist because he produced an atheist movie.

      • His mother is a Malaysian of Chinese descent.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        May 25, 2014 at 11:18 am

      • Arguing with Anti-Semites is stupid, because they’ll make irrational statements about Crypto-Jews, Jews who converted to Christianity but retain their Jewish dysfunctionality, and so forth….

        JS

        May 25, 2014 at 11:27 am

      • His father was an atheist because he produced an atheist movie.

        Why didn’t you review an atheist movie?

        The Undiscovered Jew

        May 25, 2014 at 11:39 am

      • People assume he is part Jewish because of his wealthy southern Cal entertainment industry background. Probably the Isteve readers are disappointed that he is Christian and were really hoping he would turn out to be Jewish.

        sabril

        May 25, 2014 at 12:40 pm

    • He’s British-Malaysian, as described in his autobiography (which I hope Scribd doesn’t take down).

      I’ve read and skimmed most of it. I can’t understand why he considers himself such a sexual loser just because no women have shown interest in him at the tender age of 16-17. The average guy (which includes all those shy guys in the shadows) has to wait longer than that.

      In his defense, neither he nor anyone around him seems to have the solid family life that used to be standard in the USA. He and most of his friends have to endure parental divorces and awkward relationships with step-parents and step-siblings.

      And growing up rich in California certainly didn’t help. He talks about what a good time he had in France; he should have started a new life in another country where he would be exotic and interesting instead of just another quiet California Asian kid.

      Kyo

      May 25, 2014 at 11:29 am

      • True for me. I got my hot blonde at 22. Talk about an anomaly. Mostly I attract Jewish and NPR type girls.

        marty

        May 25, 2014 at 2:15 pm

      • In LA/Hollywood circles he probably didn’t feel rich and wasn’t considered rich. Status is relative.

        Dave Pinsen

        May 25, 2014 at 5:37 pm

    • From where did you get Jewish Japanese? The first article linked below states that is mother is Malaysian-born and named Li Chin, indicating a Malaysian Chinese background. The Rodger family is British. The wiki bio of his grandfather, George Rodger, states that he was born in Cheshire (northwest England) and of Scottish descent.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2638427/He-disturbed-boy-British-grandmother-Santa-Barbara-mass-killer-boy-grew-Hollywood-royalty-posted-chilling-blogs-vowing-revenge-against-women-rejected-him.html

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Rodger

      nebbish

      May 25, 2014 at 1:55 pm

  24. * * *

    Up to page 24. Elliot is in the fifth grade. At this point in the autobiography, I am pretty confident that Elliot did NOT have Asperger’s Syndrome. Elliot had friends in elementary school, and he also had a pretty good understanding of the social status of elementary school, who was cool and who was not, and spent a lot of effort in trying to be more cool. Kids who truly have Asperger’s Syndrome don’t understand that stuff at all. Just because a kid is shy, physically small, and prone to anxiety, does NOT mean that he has Asperger’s Syndrome.

    I don’t know whether he had aspergers or not, but people with aspergers can have a very good THEORETICAL understanding of social dynamics, they just have difficulty applying it in rapid face to face interactions. They over intellectualize and over think their social reactions because they lack the executive functioning to self-monitor and adjust their body language and vocal tone in real time.

    Also, social impairment is only one of the traits defining aspergers. He may have showed other aspergers traits like obsessive interests, repetitive behavior etc.

    pumpkinperson

    May 25, 2014 at 10:44 am

  25. Any mention of prescription anti-depressants or ADHD drugs. I could see him getting put on the latter if he was doing poorly in school due to a lack of “focus.”

    Portlander

    May 25, 2014 at 11:22 am

    • drugs just make them worse long term

      caroljm36

      May 25, 2014 at 7:09 pm

  26. “He claims that he was happy during his early childhood and this is probably true. His early childhood probably would have been more hellish if he had grown up in a prole neighborhood where he would have been picked in mercilessly by the other kids, but because he grew up in wealthy neighborhoods, the other kids at school seemed pretty well-behaved.”

    Growing up in a prole neighborhood and getting picked on a bit would’ve probably toughened him up and forced him to learn some coping skills. It must be a shock to be coddled your whole life and then start to experience rejection around junior high. If he had been getting beat up between 5-10, what came after wouldn’t have seemed so bad. Maybe he would’ve even been forced to find a social niche.

    This is why the “anti-bullying” movement is so harmful. Those who get bullied are weak in some way, and are going to have to face the real world eventually. So they need to find ways to be ready for the world they’re going into.

    Hepp

    May 25, 2014 at 11:27 am

  27. A lesson to those white men on the internet who seem to think that this type of woman would make an ideal feminine wife. What kind of half-Aisan male children will she give birth to?

    Potentially Elliot Rodgers.

    The psychological traits passed would be extreme introversion, awkwardness, anxiety, and low creativity (high visuospatial intelligence correlates with imagination in whites but not Asians). Except for a creativity deficit (white nerds have vivid imaginations), these characteristics exist in white nerds. But white nerds with these combinations are vastly more productive scientists than Asians. Again this may be related to spatial intelligence correlating with creativity only among whites. Half Asian men would be intelligent but at the total mercy of fully white value transferer predators.

    Physically, half Asian male children would be shorter than fully white children, much less athletic, have a difficulty developing muscles, and suffer significantly smaller penises. All huge negatives in a Western mating market. Half Asian men are essentially unarmed in the dating warzone from the moment of conception.

    Unless they shoot up some SoCal cafe. But the notoriety won’t do them any reproductive good no matter how much Latias will surely salivate about them after the fact.

    There’s no benefit to whites mixing traits with non-whites because whites evolved the best combination of physical and mental characteristics.

    If some white guy has no option except for Asian women I strongly recommend having children through a white egg donor instead of her Asian eggs. Your fully white children will end up at less of a social disadvantage and thank you for it later.

    This is why I’ve told Lion if he wants a smart wife who will appreciate his icy, introverted nerdiness he should marry a German woman. Or maybe a very introverted British woman. But the German chick will be more obedient and be less likely to smack talk him.

    I also largely agree with Rodgers about 80’s music. Even if it wasn’t great it was better than music from 1990-2007. WTF happened after 1990?

    The Undiscovered Jew

    May 25, 2014 at 11:38 am

    • Elliot was culturally white, and he saw his Asian side as merely a social handicap and not his race.

      • Again, Asians, especially Asian men do not do well in social scenes involving SWPLs (which of course has to do with dating). Blacks and Hispanics do better, granted they are on the same playing field with Asians, when it comes to education attainment and income.

        JS

        May 25, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    • If some white guy has no option except for Asian women I strongly recommend having children through a white egg donor instead of her Asian eggs. Your fully white children will end up at less of a social disadvantage and thank you for it later.

      This has become a reality, but his Asian wife is infertile for his reason to opt for a white egg donor:

      http://www.slate.com/articles/life/dear_prudence/2012/11/dear_prudence_can_i_request_that_our_egg_surrogate_be_white_though_my_wife.html

      JS

      May 25, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    • I don’t salivate over the murder. I just like the idea of riding around the beach in a BMW with that music playing.

      Latias

      May 25, 2014 at 3:11 pm

      • Yes that is what I thought you meant. These guys who read heartiste just tend to superimpose their worldview on everything. The fact is, this was just a weird way that this guy’s personality became public, and you may have been compatible. IRL though, you never would have met him because he was too bitter to be open to socializing. I’ve been there. I’m sure there are girls who would like things about my personality, but I’m no longer interested in trying. I’m moving to another country where people are nicer because I’ve had too many bad experiences with anglo women. But I do know there are some decent ones out there, just I have a lot of bitterness towards them.

        shiva1008

        May 25, 2014 at 8:30 pm

    • This is from a House episode and it from the character most like me (especially in our mannerisms and behavior):

      Masters (who is on House’s team) is referring to a champion bull rider as the team’s patient, and she’s flirting with him while he’s on a hospital bed.

      Martha Masters: He’s obviously a… very blessed specimen. So from an evolutionary point of view, he’d produce healthy offspring. So my pre-frontal cortex is telling me, I should have sex with him.
      Dr. Chris Taub: Oh, is that all?
      Martha Masters: Yes, my rational brain knows he’s a hillbilly and an idiot.
      Dr. Chris Taub: And yet somehow, your rational brain is losing the argument. Which is interesting.

      Similarly, I think his display of wealth, fairly good looks, and suave appearance makes my subconscious mind judges that he can lavish resources on my offspring (even though he does not appear to have extraordinarily exceptional heritable traits, which is not material wealth, that give him a fitness advantage). As an autistic woman, my mind is most likely oblivious to his awkward mannerisms, so that does not detract from my mind’s subconscious evaluation of his fitness and the fitness of our offspring while it would from neurotypical women. I just like his videos of him riding around his BMW with 80s music with the beautiful Santa Barbara scenery, but I cannot stand listening to his rants though.

      I do not socialize much, I am curious if other women would be jealous if one of their peers are dating a man with a BMW and nice fashionable clothes (also assuming he doesn’t have Elliot’s quirks).

      Latias

      May 25, 2014 at 3:33 pm

      • It’s OK Latias, when I first saw his photo I thought he was kind of cute. Clearly he had other issues. I think his problem was that he had standards far higher than he himself met. He was fixated on blond sorority girls. So anyone he could have gotten, he wouldn’t have wanted.

        Sheila Tone

        May 25, 2014 at 5:21 pm

      • PS Latias, you’re right about a BMW and fancy clothes helping out in most places. But in Isla Vista, it’s no big deal. All the women he wanted were beautiful sorority girls, for whom moderate wealth is a given.

        Some years ago, I wrote a blog post about men with these views. I called them “weasels,” to distinguish them from alphas and betas. One observation was that the angriest guys tended to be privileged but unpopular. Men from privileged worlds are often in proximity to very attractive women, sometimes who go on to modeling or acting careers. They develop high standards, whether they can match them or not.

        Sheila Tone

        May 25, 2014 at 6:13 pm

    • Elliot was culturally white, and he saw his Asian side as merely a social handicap and not his race.

      Boring Asian personality traits he inherited couldn’t have helped.

      Again, Asians, especially Asian men do not do well in social scenes involving SWPLs

      All the more reason WM/AF couples should use white egg donors.

      This has become a reality, but his Asian wife is infertile for his reason to opt for a white egg donor:

      Infertility’s their cover story. But good for them anyway. There’s no telling how many future sorority slut’s lives were saved by their decision.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      May 25, 2014 at 5:06 pm

    • If some white guy has no option except for Asian women I strongly recommend having children through a white egg donor instead of her Asian eggs. Your fully white children will end up at less of a social disadvantage and thank you for it later.

      This is nonsense. White-Asian hybrids are some of the most beautiful people in the world.

      pumpkinperson

      May 25, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    • Our Sheila Tone sounds aroused by this newest spree shooter.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      May 25, 2014 at 5:32 pm

      • Nah, even way back in college I could usually tell the difference between someone whose family gave him money and someone capable of making it. I’m sure he exuded incompetence. But he had a decent face.

        Sheila Tone

        May 25, 2014 at 8:20 pm

      • Nah, even way back in college I could usually tell the difference between someone whose family gave him money and someone capable of making it. I’m sure he exuded incompetence.

        Coyness will get you nowhere.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        May 25, 2014 at 11:07 pm

    • Actually Eurasian guys tend to do better in the mating market than their white equivalents i.e. compared to white guys of similar background, nerdiness level, etc.

      Jacob

      May 25, 2014 at 6:00 pm

  28. The air needs to be cleared about what some think is the most baffling part of this story – Elliot’s love for 80’s music.

    There’s no mystery behind this. More or less from 1990 to 2007 music sucked. Anyone with good taste had to make due with pre-1990 music for two, agonizing, decades.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    May 25, 2014 at 12:38 pm

    • This is absolutely true, except for the Gin Blossoms. I actually stopped listening after 1987. I find it interesting that music died more or less simultaneously with college girls demonstrating against having to read books by dead white males’.

      marty

      May 25, 2014 at 2:20 pm

      • There were some great songs coming from bands such as STP (Stone Temple Pilots) and Spin Doctors.

        After 1993, is when pop music began to descend into the gutters.

        JS

        May 25, 2014 at 5:06 pm

      • “After 1993, is when pop music began to descend into the gutters.” ————————

        I always pegged the date at Madonna’s first hit ‘Holiday’ in 1983.

        Curle

        May 25, 2014 at 9:59 pm

    • Typically people just develop musical tastes as teenagers. Once you reach 25 being passionate about a band is just embarrassing, you have adult priorities and your brain is no longer maturing and open to new styles. I’m 33 and I think music was music in the 1990s when I was a teenager and a few years into the 2000s everything new just started to sound like noise.

      It is odd for a 22 year old to obsess over 1980s music. I was born in 1981 so I actually remember some 80s music but everything that came before it seems just ancient and giggle worthy, I think it’s just another sign of his isolation from his peers, sitting at home watching youtube videos and developing totally different tastes from whatever young people share between themselves today.

      Jaakko Raipala

      May 25, 2014 at 3:37 pm

      • A young guy finding Higher Love is no mystery. Winwood’s hit has been covered by Nick Jonas and others in the last few years. He probably heard a cover first and then looked up the original.

        Dave Pinsen

        May 25, 2014 at 5:42 pm

    • This is absolutely true, except for the Gin Blossoms.

      Presumably everyone under 40 can think of a tolerable ’90 to noughtie act. But you’d have to think hard.

      It is odd for a 22 year old to obsess over 1980s music.

      There were some twenty year olds in the ’80s who preferred the 60s. But the 90s was so awful even some normal young people tuned out. Those who did tune in have little fondness for the 90s. Compare that absence of enthusiasm to how 80s Gen Xers like Lion happily recall the 80s. As Gen Xers get older, 90s music will fall out of favor even more.

      How many 90s nights are there on American campuses compared to 80s?

      The Undiscovered Jew

      May 25, 2014 at 5:29 pm

      • Hmm, now that I think of it, the 1990s acts that make me nostalgic are all local (ie Finnish/Scandinavian/German/Dutch which seems to be the “sphere”). But we had the whole music television thing a decade later than America so perhaps we just had the good decade ten years late.

        Now that I think of it the older American really big name acts that still draw people are all from the 1980s, the 1990s is just dead. Movies, too. It’s funny how the 1980s is the proud American decade of MTV and action heroes and the decade following the victory in the Cold War just… passed.

        Jaakko Raipala

        May 25, 2014 at 6:59 pm

      • But we had the whole music television thing a decade later than America so perhaps we just had the good decade ten years late.

        Some of that creativity spilled over here at the same time you got into movie videos with Bjork and Ace of Base).

        Now that I think of it the older American really big name acts that still draw people are all from the 1980s, the 1990s is just dead. Movies, too. It’s funny how the 1980s is the proud American decade of MTV and action heroes and the decade following the victory in the Cold War just… passed.

        Early 90s movies were good. But they showed signs of decline. Movies from the mid-90s to now have been atrocious. As with 90s music acts the last two decades of movies will have no staying power.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        May 25, 2014 at 7:43 pm

      • Maybe in America, even though grunge music was very big part of the 90′ and had huge cultural influence as well as couple of classic albums.

        In Europe the 90′ were great, starting with madchester continuing with britpop while all through it new types of electronic music were invented every second day, from the classic house and techno to drum and base, trip hop, psychedelic trance, uk garage, the list doesn’t end. All this came with certain attitude and drugs and cultural changes like the internet.

        American mainly missed on all of those, but for Europe and the rest of the world it was a very creative and revolutionary musical decade.

        Eighties night always existed and from a very simple reason, it is music for girls, girls who wouldn’t be able to connect to girl bands that existed in the 90′ like L7 or Hole because they grew up on a cocktail of shitty pop so the girls go there and the guys just come because of the girls, not because they care about the music.

        Hashed

        May 25, 2014 at 9:32 pm

  29. I heavily skimmed the autobiography. He has several options at his disposal to meet people that he didn’t seem to take advantage of: volunteering, online dating and living elsewhere. He could have moved to Malaysia, I imagine he has relatives there. His status would be through the roof as a rich half-white half-Asian. And while at first he would only bed local chicks, eventually he would score that drunk Australian slut. And did he try online dating? For the socially awkward, it’s a godsend. No mention of it in his writing. He obviously could not ever approach in real life, but volunteering would have been good for him – go to an animal shelter – plenty of ironic hipster girls who would find his knowledge of 80s music intriguing.

    I always tell people: before killing yourself, try moving abroad. If that doesn’t work, go ahead. While moving is much harder, it’s also reversible.

    asdf

    May 25, 2014 at 2:08 pm

  30. There are some reports that he was prescribed psychiatric drugs and that he also “heard voices”.

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/05/ucsb-mass-shooter-refused-psychiatric-medicines-parents-in-hiding/

    Victor

    May 25, 2014 at 2:11 pm

    • Too soon to mention that none of the female victims pictured looks much like a Hollywood sorority queen, like say, Heather Thomas in “Zapped,” or whoever that blonde was in “Revenge of the Nerds?” Not to be mean; just noting that his fixation may have been based a lot more on fiction than reality.

      Sheila Tone

      May 25, 2014 at 7:03 pm

  31. The problem is that he went to a prole college and was trying to bang prole sorority girls.

    Despite the crap written by lion/pua guys girls cant agree on what type is attractive.

    Super hot prole white girls wouldnt find a ny elite wallstreet bankster with a elite education attractive.

    Theres a reason why super hot prole girls date trade school guys that wear wife beaters all the time, drink cheap bear and watch sports listen to rap.

    Prole white girls are also extremely racist against asians probably because there are no asians that live in super prole areas. But like black men.

    This conclusion was drawn from all the guys that were drowning in pussy in new york but then ended up living for a short time in one of the less developed parts of the country.

    Typically in areas with no public transportation and few jerbs that pay over 100k and low population densities u will see a lot of super hot prole girls with white trash men. A new york city alpha would get completely trashed in that environment.

    godslayer

    May 25, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    • Prole white girls are also extremely racist against asians probably because there are no asians that live in super prole areas. But like black men.

      This is very true. SWPL women aren’t really fond Asians either!

      JS

      May 25, 2014 at 5:02 pm

      • SWPL women aren’t really fond of Asians either!

        JS

        May 25, 2014 at 5:03 pm

    • I haven’t seen any research but I suspect you’re right. If I had to guess, lower class women are more attracted to muscular beefy masculine guys, while upper class women like tall, thin, smart guys.

      pumpkinperson

      May 25, 2014 at 5:59 pm

      • High prole women usually come out of state schools and their taste of men is similar to SWPL women, and they also like black men like the lower prolish girls.

        Asian men are the social pariahs in America, because most women generally don’t find them attractive. A few sightings of Asian men with White women is not enough to negate the fact that non-Asian women are generally against them as romantic partners, due to their less masculinity and perceived unattractiveness.

        JS

        May 25, 2014 at 7:48 pm

      • @js

        If they graduate from state schools they arent considered high prole.

        High prole is community college and other colleges considered shit tier or no college at all.

        The shooter was attending a community college so the girls there are probably high prole.

        High prole girls tend to like guys that have functional strength think of football player bodies most of them have enough fat so that they dont look ripped while swpl prefer skinny but ripped. Swpl prefer suits and ties whipe high prole prefer wife beater and jeans. Swpl girls like to talk philosophy ,books ,other cultures, current events, indie music while high proles talk sports, celeb gossip.

        If the shooter was able to get into a swpl school like nyu. He would have been drowning in pussy.

        godslayer

        May 26, 2014 at 12:06 am

  32. Does anyone here remember how about ten years ago, there was a similar incident in Isla Vista where the son of an L.A. producer deliberately killed some students by driving his convertible BMW up on a sidewalk? He left behind rants about how he couldn’t get laid. I can’t find anything online because this story is flooding all my searches.

    I think there’s something about UCSB that’s especially provoking of outsiders. A lot of rich L.A. and La Jolla kids with a huge sense of entitlement go there, and do a lot rich-kid partying and hooking up. The standards seem pretty high there.

    Sheila Tone

    May 25, 2014 at 2:42 pm

  33. Whoa, he went to Crespi for high school. Yep, that was one of the entitled schools in the archdiocese. All boys. I’ll bet if he’d gone to a high school with girls, he wouldn’t have had such an unpleasant shock when he got to Isla Vista and saw how the sexual top ten percent lives.

    Sheila Tone

    May 25, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    • He appears to have been afraid of girls because of a bad experience at summer camp, so asked to go to the boys high school.

  34. Recent blog posts here and elsewhere claim that women w/ tattoos have more sex partners, are advertising their sexual availability, and engage in sex quicker than non-tattooed women. Elliot Rogers should have sought out tattooed females.

    E. Rekshun

    May 25, 2014 at 3:09 pm

  35. Spoiler alert: just a short time before Rodger went on his killing spree, seven (!!!) police officers showed up at his apartment because some people who viewed his youtube videos were alarmed. He lied to the cops about his intentions, and they took him at his word. Cops get lied to all the time, and so they have excellent bullshit detectors, and yet he was able to deceive them. In other words, this guy was no spergo.

    sciences with lisps

    May 25, 2014 at 3:30 pm

    • He is said to have come across as very polite, well behaved young man, which he probably was before he snapped.

      AsianDude

      May 25, 2014 at 5:13 pm

    • Jeffrey Dahmer is believed to have had aspergers and he was able ro successfully lie to the cops. After one of the victims he lobotomized escaped, Dahmer convinced the cop it was a mentally disabled person he was taking care of.

      pumpkinperson

      May 25, 2014 at 6:06 pm

  36. I like when lion writes about education, career tracks, class, automation, post-scarcity economics – this topic is boring. Leave it to the game blogs Lion.

    uatu

    May 25, 2014 at 3:59 pm

    • This is lion’s bread and butter.

      Josh

      May 25, 2014 at 6:17 pm

    • It would be more interesting if he was half-new york city guido going against form.

      jjbees

      May 25, 2014 at 6:24 pm

  37. Or trolling us, dsgntd_plyr 🙂

    Francis

    May 25, 2014 at 4:12 pm

  38. I think you’re reading into that B at junior college too much. Just because you’re really smart doesn’t mean you care enough to try. C’s earn degrees.

    xvo

    May 25, 2014 at 4:31 pm

  39. The Lion should write a 140 page autobiography. Now THAT would be interesting

    pumpkinperson

    May 25, 2014 at 5:27 pm

  40. the psychological profile of this guy needs to go deeper than just “beta male rage” IMHO. There’s a link up about his dad selling “art” photographs of naked women.

    http://www.showbiz411.com/2014/05/25/exclusive-hunger-games-killers-dad-sells-art-photos-of-womens-behinds

    i’m sure his dad is the source of steve winwood. 20 year olds in the next decade will be listening to pearl jam and metallica for the same reason.

    the dad sets the tone for the kid. call it a “stereotype” about hollywood directors – access to women is one of the hallmarks. dad may well have been unfaithful dozens of times over – fed the kid’s obsession with women.

    people with mental traumas can’t always talk about the thing that is causing them pain. they often deflect the pain onto other less threatening objects.

    dad is woman-crazed – perhaps the kid reflects that and suppresses the pain his dad’s woman-obsession caused him and the family. pretending to fail to live up to his dad’s example. who knows, even to the point of overlooking the fact that he may actually be gay.

    it’s crazy to think about his home life, to realize his parents may well have had a hand in causing him to go nuts, to realize that will probably all be overlooked, and the outcome (if any) will be more action on gun control.

    what about parent control?

    lion of the lionosphere

    May 25, 2014 at 5:41 pm

    • See my comment re Winwood’s Higher Love being covered recently.

      Dave Pinsen

      May 25, 2014 at 8:05 pm

  41. Here’s SWPL hipster band Dale Earnhardt, Jr., Jr. covering Higher Love: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NjCwy5Ybuek

    Dave Pinsen

    May 25, 2014 at 5:47 pm

  42. You won’t friggin believe this. I think it’s come up before that some chicks get the tingle over criminals including mass murderers and serial killers. But they’re getting the tingle over some cat who went on a rampage because he thought chicks wouldn’t dig him. Irony at it’s finest.

    http://www.infowars.com/in-death-girls-and-boys-swoon-over-santa-barbara-mass-murderer/

    destructure

    May 25, 2014 at 5:51 pm

    • Gay boys too. This kid would’ve been happy had he moved to NYC and gotten work in the off-off-Broadway theater scene.

      Dave Pinsen

      May 25, 2014 at 8:07 pm

    • I was waiting for this. Girls said the same thing after James Holmes shot up a Colorado theater.

      Vince, the Lionhearted

      May 25, 2014 at 11:05 pm

  43. If you’re interested in Eurasian spree killers with high IQ’s, read up on Andrew Cunanan. According to wikipedia he tested at 147, which is the 99.9%lie on tests like the Wechsler.

    pumpkinperson

    May 25, 2014 at 5:55 pm

  44. I don’t know why you would say he can’t be a genius because he got a B. The B in his class has nothing to do with anything. College has nothing to do with his intelligence either. People with Down Syndrome graduate from real colleges. You can say that if you have a college degree, you might have down syndrome.

    jordan

    May 25, 2014 at 6:17 pm

  45. He’s no genius because he only got a B in his one class at a junior college…

    and neither is lion. if he were a genius he’d have gotten an F.

    I peg his IQ between 115 and 120…

    ’cause g is real and i can peg it just by readin’ him.

    lion’s iq >=135.

    lion’s insight into human nature and his social iq = < 70.

    jorge videla

    May 25, 2014 at 6:44 pm

    • Yes, a genius would would easily get an A at such a crappy school without even trying.

      • Not always. I know of high school students with IQ’s above 150 who flunked every single math test in their AP calculus class. There’s a subtle difference between a good student and a high IQ mind.

        pumpkinperson

        May 25, 2014 at 8:24 pm

      • Someone with a photographic memory who is not even a genius would not need to try in crappy school, though of course they would still need to open the book and look at every page for a little bit in order to memorize the information, or at least show up to the classes to have a clue about what will be going on in the exam.

        But a real straight up genius like Einstein would not get an A in a class like French Literature without putting in a not insignificant amount of effort. On top of the exams, if there is something like a useless 5-page paper that is due in the class, or in a science class, a lab write-up every week, then even a genius with a photographic memory is certainly going to have to put some effort to get an A. If you’re preoccupied with solving partial differential equations, you’re going to have a rough time doing the problem set and showing all your work in your required Algebra class at college even if it’s only because it is an absolute waste of time for you. In other words, if you’re a genius, you’re still going to have to “try” if you want to get an A.

        There are certainly many, many geniuses out there that are not going to give a crap about formatting their papers and handing them in on time.

        jordan

        May 25, 2014 at 8:27 pm

  46. Eww…

    “I eventually grew to hate him after I heard him having sex with my sister. I arrived at the house one day, my mother being at work, and heard the sounds of Samuel plunging his penis into my sister’s vagina through her closed room door, along with my sister’s moans. I stood there and listened to it all. So my
    sister, who was four years younger than me, managed to lose her virginity before I did. It reminded me of how pathetic I was, that at the age of twenty-two, I was still a virgin.”

    He also apparently had a minimal relationship with his mother, and a bad relationship with his stepmother. So although I’d like to read the whole thing, I’d better go parent the boys. Can someone tell me if he mentions having any female friends? Usually those effeminate/asexual guys are popular with women as nonsexual friends.

    Sheila Tone

    May 25, 2014 at 7:07 pm

    • He had too much anxiety around women to even talk to them.

      • I think his social awkwardness is a combination of genetics and family upbringing.

        His anxiety comes from his Asian side and his dad never raised him to be an alpha. He probably pampered him without any negative reinforcement. Further, most White men who marry Asian woman aren’t the most alpha of men.

        JS

        May 25, 2014 at 7:56 pm

  47. Not to blame the drugs, but I bet they find cocaine metabolite in his system. He fits the profile.

    Sheila Tone

    May 25, 2014 at 7:13 pm

  48. This whole thing — the deeply troubled kid, the “manifesto”, the videos, the tragedy — is sickening. No other way to describe it.

    I am a classical liberal in most respects and believe that people should be able to purchase the goods that they desire, with relatively little intervention from government. But the US must take some legislative measures to at least try to prevent people from so easily acquiring firearms.

    Though it would be politically challenging — and perhaps unrealistic — I am of the view that the US should adopt a model similar to the gun control measures which were introduced in Australia following the Port Arthur massacre of the mid-1990s. This model has proven to be very effective at reducing instances of gun-related violence in Australia: There have been no mass shootings since it was introduced.

    I am familiar with the arguments in favor of gun ownership but, on balance, I cannot understand how a gun-less society can be seen as anything but a noble aspiration for modern states.

    Yossi

    May 25, 2014 at 7:21 pm

    • ” I cannot understand how a gun-less society can be seen as anything but a noble aspiration for modern states.” ———————-

      Because ‘modern’ states don’t always stay that way.

      America is not an idea or any other similar noble enterprise it was a political deal executed by men from regions that generally hated the regions with whom they formed a compact but who nevertheless chose to do so to avoid the growing maw of the Walpolian centralized state which the northern colonies feared would impoverish them to the benefit of British industry and which the southerners feared would lead to the elimination of slavery. Independence made sense, but possessing maximum distrust of the other (recall that the Mass Bay Colony was populated by the Roundheads, Virginia the Cavaliers) they instituted a series of protections to ensure no single regional clique could gain total control.

      The political battles of today can be traced to the inter-colonial hatreds of the 17th century. Little has changed and an invasion by the North really didn’t help things.

      Why control guns when the other guys invaded once before? Americans have never been a unified people in anything but crass propaganda. There is no uniform culture or common tribal connection, thus little social trust. Why put yourself at the mercy of people you don’t trust?

      Curle

      May 25, 2014 at 10:26 pm

    • This model has proven to be very effective at reducing instances of gun-related violence in Australia

      The line continues on its trajectory it started in 1990 without any change due to legislation.

      Trends in violent crime

      murders in Australia 89-06

      rapes in Australia 93-06

      Toad

      May 25, 2014 at 11:00 pm

    • He killed three with knives. And he was a fan of HBO’s violent series Game of Thrones. Should we be Game of Thrones, which features lots of stabbings?

      Most legal gun owners don’t do this sort of thing. Neither do most Game of Thrones fans.

      Dave Pinsen

      May 25, 2014 at 11:41 pm

  49. I haven’t read through all of the comments here or on the other posts, but if no one has mentioned it, Rodger seems like a lot of other killers stretching back to the 60s (maybe before?) who’ve shot and killed people in ‘Lover’s Lanes.’

    His hatred of normal people who can gat laid and his willingness to kill over it doesn’t seem unique or new.

    Robert

    May 25, 2014 at 8:04 pm

    • What’s new is that he posted an autobiography on the internet.

    • Killing normal people who get laid is the theme of just about every slasher film of the 1980s

      pumpkinperson

      May 25, 2014 at 8:52 pm

      • Art imitating life. Without the ability to use the internet to make himself famous, he might have been some random killer who killed some random couple and never got caught.

        Robert

        May 25, 2014 at 9:09 pm

      • Hey, good point.

        Sheila Tone

        May 25, 2014 at 9:53 pm

  50. It’s somewhat of a cliche but it bears repeating: when something like this happens, everyone will use it to further their own pet causes and blame it on whatever they think are the prevalent ills in society.

    Here is the quote from cult leader Roosh V after this happened: “It looks like we have our first data point that game denialism kills.”

    Then after he said that, it came out that Elliot Rodger had subscribed to RDS Free Tour, and Player Supreme YouTube channels. So obviously he was GAME AWARE, ie he had imbibed his fair share of alpha/beta/game spew. And what good did it do him? Cult leaders like Roosh will disown him, because he wasn’t successful. But the fact is that the spew put out by people like him and Heartiste exacerbated his problem and made him feel like a sexual loser. Otherwise he would just be a nerd and get into his nerdy hobbies and misfit social circle. But Roosh will never admit this because he lacks integrity. He only wants to point to examples where “game” has helped people, not examples where it has made things far worse.

    Game denialism? Srs? How is this guy not a cult leader, like some 15th century Catholic guy warning about heretics? He embraces people who think exactly like him, forms a cult around it, and attacks or writes off all other points of view.

    Yeah, I noticed Roosh shut the hell up after it came out that Elliot was very familiar with “game.” DERP Won’t make any difference to his cult followers though. Thanks for doing your part for exacerbating sexual inequality, Roosh & Roissy. Your ways of thinking are clearly superior to cultures that are time-tested and have persisted for thousands of years.

    shiva1008

    May 25, 2014 at 9:04 pm

    • “But the fact is that the spew put out by people like him and Heartiste exacerbated his problem and made him feel like a sexual loser. “

      Reading game blogs had nothing to do with it. He was already feeling angry and dejected at others’ relationships. That’s why he started researching it in the first place.

      “He only wants to point to examples where “game” has helped people, not examples where it has made things far worse.”

      Worse for who? I think Elliot’s drawing hit the nail on the head.

      “Thanks for doing your part for exacerbating sexual inequality, Roosh & Roissy.”

      Men have been getting the short end of the stick since before I was born.

      destructure

      May 26, 2014 at 1:36 am


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