Elliot Rodger’s Retribution
Elliot Rodger’s Retribution video on Youtube. (And if that video gets pulled, just search YouTube for another copy).
This is the UC Santa Barbara mass-shooter. Mental illness? I don’t think so. I think he sounds very sane, no more insane than perhaps a Japanese kamikaze pilot might have been the night before he knew he was going to die.
In the video, Elliot explains how he has never had a girlfriend, had sex, or even kissed a girl, and that he is going to get retribution on the pretty blonde girls of UCSB.
If there were ever case for the existence of “beta-male rage,” I think this is it.
I think that Elliot’s vocabulary indicates that he has a pretty high IQ.
Elliot uses some of the lingo from “game” blogs. Are “game” blogs contributing to mass murder?
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There was a comment at the blog previously known as “Roissy in DC” in which the commenter predictably (predictably because there’s always a similar comment in situations like this) states that this wouldn’t have happened if only he knew about “game.” However, I am almost 100% certain that this guy did know about “game,” but the existence of such “game” blogs didn’t help him very much.
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Elliot Rodger comes from a very successful Hollywood family, which explains why his video gives off the vibe of him coming from a privileged background. (And I mean real privilege, and not the “white privilege” that liberals attribute to loser proles who happen to be white).
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Elliot Rodger is reported to be a poster at a website called PUAHate.
The following comment was attributed to a poster at PUAHate:
If this is legit the future does not bode well for this forum…. This site, trolling aside, holds potentially dangerous material. Imagine a mass realisation amongst incels and the potential repercussions it will have. This forum will be closed, individual users will be investigated and will likely be prosecuted for crimes such as incitement etc.
We will be persecuted and hunted down like the vile abominations we are… Act quickly to avoid any link to this place.
PUAHate appears to already be offline. Perhaps the owner of the site has deleted the database in order to protect its membership?
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Why do girls hate me so much? Another Elliot Rodger video, where he comes off as more sympathetic and less maniacal than in his last video. Anyone who thinks an expensive car and $300 sunglasses will help him to attract women should watch this video to be taught wrong.
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Elliot Rodger loves 80s music. All of his videos that feature music have 80s music in them. This reveals something about his personality, because not very many 22-year-olds favorite genre of music is from before they were born. At least that wasn’t the case when I was 22.
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Balcony Vlog, reminiscing about childhood. “No girls like me, and I hate them all for it.” But no maniacal laughing in this video, he just seems depressed.
Up until his last few videos, he just seems nerdy, introverted, and depressed, but not a psychopathic killer or a schizophrenic. The eighties music he likes was cool music to like for 22-year-olds in the 1980s, but today, 22-year-olds who like that music are probably considered nerdy and not cool. He should have liked rap and hip-hop.
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Why did Elliot attend such a crappy school such as “Santa Barbara City College”? Based on his videos I know he has well above-average IQ, and he comes from a wealthy family, he should have been at a more prestigious school James Holmes also attended a college way beneath him. I think there’s a clue there.
Are “game” blogs contributing to mass murder?
One can certainly hope so.
ScarletNumber
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
However, I am almost 100% certain that this guy did know about “game,” but the existence of such “game” blogs didn’t help him very much.
A young George Sodini, who also went through the same process.
JS
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
He was the son of the assistant director of The Hunger Games. There’s supposedly pictures of him on the red carpet in Hollywood. At the least he’s a narcissist. He has a strong sense of entitlement to women, and he puts the blame on them.
Taylor
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Seems like he could afford a good looking call girl. I mean, he made it through college, but couldn’t figure out how to have sex? Did he join clubs or organizations where students work together and end up getting to know one another? Also, he must have had family connections to starlets or whatever who might have thought it in their interest to have a boyfriend whose dad was well connected in the industry. I mean, he had many many avenues to uh, a good time. So, it seems he thinks that guys don’t have to be aggressive at all to get girls. I mean, guys have to at least talk to girls, etc.
not too late
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
His father has a naturally creepy, psychopathic glare.
This may be his mother. I don’t speak French but she’s Asian? Europeans use the word Asian differently than we do, so I can’t tell what she is.
Taylor
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
That actress, Soumaya, is his stepmother. She apparently is a French beurette..
Peter
ironrailsironweights
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
as do all true alphas.
he had the ego but not the body.
he looked a very young 22 and slight.
women generally don’t like pretty boys.
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
He comes across as gay. Maybe he couldn’t face his true gayness, but women spotted it a mile away.
peterike
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
He clearly was NOT gay, otherwise he’d be complaining that men weren’t interested him. His video indicates a very strong and unrequited desire for WOMEN.
Looking gay isn’t the same as being gay. But no doubt his less-than-masculine appearance was a turn-off to modern women who long for manly alpha men.
Lion of the Blogosphere
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
@Lion,
Love your stuff, but you are completely wrong here. Looking gay is the same as being gay. I’m surprised at your age you’ve made this simple error.
For years I gave gay looking dudes the benefit of the doubt thinking there was some category of gay acting guys who weren’t, in fact, gay. Over the years I learned how wrong that was. Every single male I previously thought only looked gay has eventually either come out of the closet or has been spotted (by others) at gay bars. In other words, if they seem gay in appearance and behavior they are gay. Bank on it.
Curle
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
If he’s turned on by women and not men, then he’s not gay.
Men who are genuinely gay often have a lot of female friends. This guy had none.
Lion of the Blogosphere
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
@curle
ever considered these guys might have no choice?
well girls don’t like me, i might as well go gay.
again, pace the hereditist cant, the balance of studies finds that both male and female homosexuality is hardly heritable at all.
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
This.
Dude couldn’t be more gay.
Curle
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
“gay” is another modern bullshitism.
there have always been sodomites and cocksuckers, but the identity “gay” is VERY MODERN!
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
@Jorge,
“ever considered these guys might have no choice?” ———
When I was in HS and college gals threw themselves at the short pretty boys. I’m not buying his story for a second. Hell, some deluded gals even threw themselves at the gay guys. You really don’t have to work that hard at it, if you don’t spend your days and nights attached to an Xbox, and make appearances in places where women go, the gals will come to you.
I don’t buy for a second that this guy “had no choice.” The only men I’ve met who ‘couldn’t’ get a woman to screw them were total social misfits, not guys like this. There is an entire world of fatties and chubsters just waiting for some guy to give them an excuse to get what they want. And, this idea (is it new?) that you should only screw good looking girls? Where the F did that come from? Any man who has been single for awhile (and is hetero) has had a rumble with a chubster and has learned what men like Arnold Schwartzenegger know all too well, she doesn’t have to be pretty to be great in the sack.
This guy could have gotten more poon than he’d know what to do with if he just lowered his standards. Obviously, he didn’t. Most likely because he’s gay.
Curle
May 25, 2014 at EDT pm
the gals will come to you.
shonuff homes.
but which gals?
Any man who has been single for awhile (and is hetero) has had a rumble with a chubster and has learned what men like Arnold Schwartzenegger know all too well, she doesn’t have to be pretty to be great in the sack.
you’re a very silly man. what is a “chubster” after all. there’s zaftig and then there’s hchblllp!
jorge videla
May 26, 2014 at EDT pm
Most likely because he’s gay.
so any man who has a chubster primed for him…just waiting…and says “no”, secretly (secretly even to himself) really wants a dude in his butt?
jorge videla
May 26, 2014 at EDT pm
this dude sure seemed gay. girls could see it & his entitlement for hot girls. (oh and someone should make sure jorge videla isn’t the next loser we read about in the newspaper)
zodak
May 27, 2014 at EDT pm
ok so if everyone tells you you’re gay then you’re gay. social proof!
jorge videla
May 27, 2014 at EDT pm
He’s only 22? Maybe he should have read http://therationalmale.com/2012/06/04/final-exam-navigating-the-smp/
SebZear
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Most men can’t wait till their mid to late 30s where they become more alpha and attractive to younger women whom they missed out during their prime.
JS
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Also, according to http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/24/shooting-california-santa-barbara/9532405/ he wasn’t a student at UCSB but rather at SB City College. I wager he was rejected admission at UCSB but wanted to attend the party that is Isla Vista anyway and so attended another college instead. Trying to break into the social scene of a university when you aren’t in a university (whether too young, graduated, in community college, etc) can be extremely difficult, and it’s not at all surprising that he had no success with the girls there, much less the hot ones. He was obviously both narcissistic and psychopathic but not remotely Machiavellian, which would have completed the triad and made him at least tolerable if not “good” in any sense.
SebZear
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Thanks for finding out where he was a student. There is nothing worse that non-student hangers-on at a university. I wonder if he was not a very good student because he came from money but not money made by knowledge workers.
superdestroyer
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
This generation of Millennial men seem very beta-ish. I’ve never seen so many beta guys in my life before, until this crop of twenty something men came into the scene. Later Gen X (James Franco’s and also Roosh’s generation) was naturally and consistently edgier, darker and cooler, unlike these guys who are posers and lash out to make a bad boy statement, where as Gen X guys were original badasses to begin with.
JS
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
“I wager he was rejected admission at UCSB but wanted to attend the party that is Isla Vista anyway and so attended another college instead…” … “was obviously both narcissistic and psychopathic but not remotely Machiavellian, which would have completed the triad and made him at least tolerable if not “good” in any sense”
Two excellent points in that comment.
This kid badly wanted to fit in with the hard-partying rich, preppy kids but lacked the charisma, athletic looks, or social skills to find respect in that crowd. He also failed to understand the academic-career tracking process that could have led to success later in life. He was a total loser, even though he appeared to have the native intelligence, family money and social status to go places. His cluelessness points to bad parenting. Furthermore, his incredibly shitty attitude undermined him as well.
Finally, this story illustrates why Lion’s class and racial snobbery rubs me the wrong way. Affluence and avoiding NAMs and proles or whatever doesn’t count for much if you lack basic social skills and have a pathetic attitude.
McFly
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Affluence and avoiding NAMs and proles or whatever doesn’t count for much if you lack basic social skills and have a pathetic attitude.
It’s more of social status via a combination of class, physique and race. You remember, he was complaining how these lovely ladies were dating jerks and not him.
JS
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
“Machiavellian”
I thought all psychopaths are Machiavellian, at least those with sufficient intelligent to be Machiavellian.
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I could hypothesize that his vocabulary can lead one to overestimate his intelligence. One with Asperger syndrome can use a more broad vocabulary, but they can still have normal intelligence; Asperger syndrome does not necessarily mean high intelligence. In order to figure out whether an aspie is highly intelligent, one needs to delve in the intellectual content and substance of their interests to see whether it is challenge and abstract, and not merely a concrete, unpractical fixation. <any aspie interests may not be that intellectually demanding, just unusual to focus on it.
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Good job, Lion, for saying he is actually "privileged" in the meaningful sense, not because he is merely white.
Latias
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
A month or two ago the Isle Vista block parties (some Mardi Gras like festival?) led to (relatively minor) street riots– made national news.
anon
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=assburgers
Assburgers
1. Unlike its distantly related cousin and professionally recognized medical disease, Asperger’s Syndrome, “assburgers” is when someone claims mental defect (that they probably don’t even have) as an excuse for socially inept or unacceptable behavior.
genuine asperger’s is VERY RARE. it is characterized not ONLY by social ineptness but by lack of coordination, speech impediments, ridiculous focus on one thing…
pssst…to all the aspies out there who don’t get it. PSYCHIATRY IS A BUSINESS!!!
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
“The [moving to] Santa Barbara plan was formed on that night, but its roots stretch all the way back to when I just turned eighteen. It was all because I watched that movie Alpha Dog. The movie had a profound effect on me, because it depicted lots of good looking young people enjoying pleasurable sex lives. I thought about it for many months afterward, and I constantly read about the story online. I found out that it took place in Santa Barbara, which prompted me to read about college life in Santa Barbara. I found out about Isla Vista, the small town adjacent to UCSB where all of the college students live and have parties. When I found out about all this, I had the desperate hope that if I moved to that town I would be able to live that life too. That was the life I wanted. A life of pleasure and sex.” — Elliot Rodger, My Twisted World, page 77. Called it!
@Latias: Machiavellianism is a behavioral disposition whereas psychopathy is an emotional disposition. Both kinds of people might endeavor to cause someone pain, but the Machiavellian would do it for clear sociostrategic reasons, and may even feel sympathy despite carrying it out, whereas the psychopath would do it out of disinterested ennui and listlessness, and often with complete disregard for possible consequences. Due to these inherent differences, psychopathy is usually categorized as a disorder whereas Machiavellianism isn’t, or is instead categorized as a personality trait.
@Latias: Also, I haven’t found a single punctuation mistake in his entire manifesto, and that is certainly strong evidence of his intelligence. He was a obviously a very well-read character; however, it’s interesting that natural science was never one of the subjects he studied, only social science.
SebZear
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
There was a comment at the blog previously known as “Roissy in DC” in which the commenter predictably (predictably because there’s always a similar comment in situations like this) states that this wouldn’t have happened if only he knew about “game.” However, I am almost 100% certain that this guy did know about “game,” but the existence of such “game” blogs didn’t help him very much.
He posted on the PUAHate.com forums.
B.B.
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
I wonder if he was taking a prescription drug for ADHD.
Big Pharma obviously doesn’t want it to be talked about, but those have an impressive correlation in young men going postal. What we don’t know, because Big Pharma doesn’t want it talked about, it is whether the correlation is actually something more, causation.
Portlander
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Psych meds aren’t handed out in a random manner. They’re given to people who exhibit signs of being crazy. So of course there’s a correlation.
Hepp
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
If the doctor is a friend of yours, then you can get any psych medication just by asking, even from a general practitioner.
map
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
that’s right and even though most psychiatrists are douchebags they’re much more reticent about diagnoses and medications than gps.
it’s gps that are responsible for the enormous rise in prescriptions for ADHD not psychiatrists.
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
amphetamines are known to cause psychosis sometimes.
but the maximum dose used for adhd isn’t enough to cause it.
and this kid was CLEARLY NOT psychotic.
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
Was he a student at UCSB? If he was 22, he would have been a senior in college. UCSB is 53% female but only 45% white with the rest split among Asians, Hispanics, and blacks. UCSB is a 1200 SAT school with an 80% six year graduation rate. So if he was a UCSB student, he had above average SAT scores but probably majored in the wrong subject and is probably short.
Also, his father is more of a commercial director rather than a theatrical director. The father’s work on Hunger Games was or create a propaganda film within film.
superdestroyer
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
He was a student at SB City College (a community/junior college), not UCSB.
SebZear
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Yes, I saw that reported. Why would some kid an affluent family decide to go to junior college rather than a four year university?
superdestroyer
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
If you can’t get admitted directly to a University of California campus directly from high school, which is not unusual as they have highly competitive admissions standards, there is a second-chance option: attend community college for two years and then apply for transfer admissions. All of the UC campuses, even Berkeley and UCLA, have to accept a specified number of community college transfers each year.
Peter
ironrailsironweights
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
only a problem in america.
i’d be surprised if this kid’s sats weren’t above the average for those admitted to uc campuses which like canadian schools are now overrun by asian grinds.
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
Perhaps he went to the wrong school, as most state schools are party prole, where they put an obvious emphasis on fraternities, sports and f*cking, and less on learning. Women from state schools are more shallow than women from better schools, when it comes to physical attractiveness of men.
Had he went into Ivy League or one of the tier one school, he would have found a geeky women to his liking and his classmates would have been more of the studious types.
JS
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Not everyone who is affluent, especially those who get rich through being directors are smart. The UC schools have very affluent students.
Moreover, the “prole” girls you refer to are more likely to be impressed by his family than girls at Ivy League schools.
I went to an elite college and did very well when I visited state schools and the girls were impressed with my credentials.
Mike
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
This kid had the shallowness and vanity of a state school frat boy, but he wasn’t even smart and hardworking enough to get into a decent state school. He went to a 2-year community college.
He’s not like James Holmes, who was insane but also quite intelligent and accomplished. Rodger was insane but also stupid and lazy on top of it
A weak, short, half-Asian guy is not going to be the captain of the football team or fraternity president. Guys like him have the advantage of being freed up to pursue other strategies to get the attention of women. Usually this means studying hard and getting into a challenging career track like engineering or medical school, but that would require a good work ethic and older relatives to steer him in the right direction, which he did not have.
His vanity also shows in the way he focused on being part of the white, rich, preppy in-crowd. It never occurred to him he would have an easier time making friends and getting laid if he got involved with theater or art and hung out with slutty hipster chicks.
McFly
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
“Had he went into Ivy League or one of the tier one school, he would have found a geeky women to his liking and his classmates would have been more of the studious types.”
Totally wrong. Nothing about this kid indicates that he was college material, much less Ivy League material. He wasn’t interested in learning. He had no interest in making friends with geeks, or studious careerists. Furthermore, he was shallow and superficial and had no interest in meeting brainy women.
McFly
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
I’m surprised he didn’t figure out a way to parlay his family connections into getting some trim. From what I’ve heard, the movie industry is chock-full of hott chix just ripe for the taking.
Peter
ironrailsironweights
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
I think two of the under reported aspects is that he was short and half-asian (based upon his personal blog).
superdestroyer
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
2 measures of quality in manosphere terms that mean you are not alpha, no matter how much you try!
JS
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
The Daily Mail (yeah I know I know) says
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2638049/7-dead-drive-shooting-near-UC-Santa-Barbara.html
“Rodger was a website forum called PUAHate.com, which describes itself as the ‘Anti-Pickup-Artist Movement’ and aims to reveal ‘the scams, deception, and misleading marketing techniques used by dating gurus and the seduction community to deceive men and profit from them.'”
(Presumably that should be “Rodgers was a member of a website…”) That forum is down now (no surprise) but its active membership should probably all be on some police watch list…
I don’t think he looks effeminate, just young. His looks shouldn’t have been a problem at all. And he does sound insane. “I’m the supreme gentleman but girls throw themselves at obnoxious brutes, now they will all see that I’m the supreme one, the true alpha male”, uh, yeah. Maybe he has always looked young for his age and gotten bullied for it, hence the resentment of “obnoxious brutes” and the obsession of dominating someone in revenge.
“I wanted adoration and I didn’t get it, that’s a crime that can never be forgiven”, yeaaah. What are the odds that this guy hasn’t always been giving off crazy narcissistic sociopath vibes?
Jaakko Raipala
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
I agree that the guy must have been giving off crazy vibes which is probably what turned women off him.
Rosenmops
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
I feel bad for him. He was a tweener, a sort-of pretty boy who lacked ruggedness in his appearance. Believe it or not, he would have done fine with girls if this were, say, 1985. Looking at the photo in the Daily Mail, linked to by Sailer, he doesn’t look all that different from Keanu Reeves in Point Break. Unfortunately women’s tastes changed, and now they seem to like burr-headed brutes. I blame his Dad. Should have told him to join the Marines and skip college altogether. Then he could have had all the mixed-race gash he wanted.
explainer21
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Read this article again:
http://www.returnofkings.com/2090/how-black-america-has-predicted-our-future
White America is becoming like a black america when it comes to class downgrade, prole drift and White women becoming like black women, and White men reacting like black men with vengeance.
JS
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
It wouldn’t surprise if kids today listened to older music more frequently than kids who grew up in the 70s and 80s. First, there is nearly zero cost to acquiring any music (besides your internet connection and computer). Second, pop music had a broader audience in the 70s and 80s is less demographically specialized than music today. Third, I grew listening to oldies (i.e. 50s and early 60s music) on the radio because that’s what my parents listen to, so I’m pretty sure it wasn’t completely uncommon then either.
albert magnus
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Is he of mixed race? He looks sort of Arabic to me. Does anyone know who his mother is?
Rosenmops
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
He wrote online that his mother is Asian, so he is Hapa.
Peter
ironrailsironweights
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
As in Indian Asian, he’s originally from the londontown, now a cesspool of 3rd world migrants.
JS
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
On his blog, he wrote that his birth mother was Asian and his father was British.
superdestroyer
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Yes or Hispanic, and California has a large middle eastern population as well. Maybe even Armenian like the Kardashians!
JS
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
A Hollywood kid with his coloring and features and a given name like “Elliot”, for God’s sake, is almost certainly Jewish – at least on his mother’s side. And, by the way, he is not a bad-looking kid. I could easily imagine a kid who looks like this, but with a sense of humor and an outgoing personality being very popular with girls. There will always be a place for the cutely androgynous shrimp in the hearts of young ladies – witness Justin Bieber, who is himself no Mr. Muscles. Plus, he has money and a BMW.
He is clearly insane, probably a paranoid schizophrenic. Anyone who intuits sanity from a modicum of coherence does not know crazy people. He was probably enrolled in a community college because his parents (quite rightly) considered him too immature to go away to a regular college.
There should be a moratorium on classifying obviously disturbed young men as “beta males” and seeing them for the sad, sick outliers that they are.
As a side note, he bears an eerie resemblance to the actor who played the teenaged psychopath in “We Have To Talk About Kevin”.
Saskatoon Sammy
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Why would be say he is paranoid schizophrenic? I saw the “genocide school” (Pima Community College) video by Jared Loughner, and in contrast, Elliot Rodgers was too coherent to be considered to be “schizophrenic”. Surely he has emotional problems, but it does not suffer from bizarre disillusions. He was indeed traumatized by the reality of being unattractive to women.
Latias
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
I believe your garden variety schizophrenic is the type that is fundamentally incoherent – you know, the torrent of non sequiturs and all that. Loughner was probably in that category. However, at least some paranoid schizophrenics have the intelligence to mimic rationality while remaining totally delusional. I know, I was mental health volunteer for a while and met a few. As for his looks, per se, he looked fine – for a kid – and God knows the world is full of far worse looking people who are rock-solid sane.
Saskatoon Sammy
May 27, 2014 at EDT am
A schizophrenic is unable to distinguish between fantasy and reality. There’s no evidence of schizophrenia. A 2-page essay about a perfect society in which there are no women may seem like a weird society, but a political essay doesn’t make him any more schizophrenic than Karl Marx or Martin Luther King.
Lion of the Blogosphere
May 27, 2014 at EDT pm
You Tube has yanked the “Retribution” video (thanks for nothing, schmucks), but it’s on Live Leak.
I watched it twice, and Beta issues aside I’m reasonably sure that Elliott was way off his rocker. He gave off fairly obvious Something Wrong with Him vibes.
Peter
ironrailsironweights
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
i read the site puahate from time to time, though mainly for its humor value. the people who post on it are a very depressive group, with many obviously suffering from bodily dysmorphic disorder. the entire site is focused on the theme that women care about looks a lot more than is typically believed and that ugly/physically unappealing men have it much worse than their equally unattractive female counterparts. they spend a lot of time analyzing facial traits, comparing their own faces to those of male models, and arguing with each other about which perceived aesthetic defects kill a man’s chances with women the most. as ridiculous as it is, there’s a lot of legitimate stuff on that site, though it is exaggerated to the extreme due to the highly mentally unstable, self-loathing nature of the people on that site. they hate “game” and “pua” and believe they give guys false hope, which i personally think they kind of do.
James N.S.W
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Well, it is true that being an unattractive hetero guy is harder than being a fat woman, given the fact that men are judged by be their popularity with women as a value system. No one decries feminists as being losers, but outwardly misogynists are viewed as losers in society.
JS
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Effeminate, narcissistic and homicidal… everyone’s dream date I’m sure. Obviously the girls could see he was bad news.
mathilda37
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
A pretty high IQ doesn’t mean necessarily a higher intelligence, obviously Elliot Rodger ignores the most significant laws of sexual market. If only he had waited 5 or 10 years, he would have won enough manly skills to seduce women and gain in physical attractiveness. An inability to face a momentary frustration and lack of imagination, it’s an evident proof a stupidity
You can solve math problems with an higher IQ, you cannot defeat a persistent obsession or the most basic neurotic pattern
Imi Lichtenfeld
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Telling a 22 year old to wait 10 years to get some P probably would be counter productive. In fact, maybe someone did do that and that’s what set him off.
Mike Street Station
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
The guy seems naturally miserable and depressed. If we had a different society, maybe he just would’ve found another reason to snap and kill people. In our society, he did it because of the jealousy of seeing other guys with girls while he was alone. But if he was born in the Palestinian territories, he may have just blamed the Jews for his misery and then gone and become a terrorist.
I don’t think that anyone should try to portray these kinds of events as the natural consequence of sexual freedom or anything like that.
Hepp
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
“The guy seems naturally miserable and depressed. If we had a different society, maybe he just would’ve found another reason to snap and kill people.”
No solid evidence has ever been found of depression being genetic, despite many studies done on the subject.
Thomas
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
It took literally three seconds to find a link showing you’re wrong. Cross adoption studies show that depression, like very other personality trait, has a major genetic component.
http://depressiongenetics.stanford.edu/mddandgenes.html
Hepp
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
I have “MDD” (as indicated in the URL) as the acronym for “major depressive disorder”; “major” could be confused with “minor”. Is there such a thing as “minor” depressive disorder?
Latias
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
Believe that a $300 sunglasses and a german sport car will help to attract women, what a creepy and immature guy
Elliot Rodger is really a smart rice boy or a guido mind in a shrimp’s body ?
Imi Lichtenfeld
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
I would say that $300 sunglasses and a german sports car are like steroids or other performance enhancing drugs; they do give one a competitive edge in sports (such as increased performance on the field or more resilence), but it cannot make an average person be as good as those who are blessed with immense natural ability.
Latias
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
If it is common in his social circle to drive Bmw’s and wear 300 dollar glasses, then I doubt hewas using those to get women. That was just average for his social class. No, this guy probably hada hard time fitting into his social class and was likely at the bottom of the totem pole growing up.
The very essence of “social skills” is the ability to project the appropriate level of status to the peer group around you. Always strive for equal or better, or else friends and relationships will ne’er emerge unless you are dealing with misfits.
Map
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
The very essence of “social skills” is…
to be insincere.
it’s always amazed me how utterly fake people are, but seeing through this requires social intelligence.
as a result those with high social intelligence and insight can be more like Gregory House than class president.
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
Jorge,
as a female aspie, i suppose my high regard for sympathy reflects my relative inability to discern one’s insincerity from body language, tone of voice, or other visual cues and also from the plausibility of one’s stories. However, a positive aspect of autism renders me immune (or “it’s not every effective”) to psychopathic/machiavellian social charm, and I often need to see a relatively high degree of personal sacrifice (towards others) beyond superficial impressions in order to see a person as “credible” and trustworthy. I am also aware of our evolutionary heritage where one who is able to secure more resources, especially mates, are able to reproduce more (and importantly transmit genetic variants that gives them a competitive advantage in social group to their progeny) and economic incentives for selfish. Moreover, I am a strong political realist (as I often cross my arms in silence rolling my eyes when there is a prayer for “peace” and a “just resolution of conflict” in some volatile region before the benediction as Mass concludes) since I most certainly do not believe that “peace” or “justice” is the desideratum of the conflicting parties or that anyone with political influence is motivated by benevolence. I am not just a naive girl, although my appearance may suggest that. I always expect insincerity.
Latias
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
jorge videla,
Gregory House was tolerated because he was a useful genius and the best in his field. Nobody would put up with him otherwise.
map
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
so then social intelligence over a certain threshold can be bad for your social life?
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT pm
you’re OBVIOUSLY NOT a female aspie or any other sort.
when psychiatry is a business and parents are irresponsible selfish cunts, adhd, autism, asperger’s etc., diagnoses proliferate. and the diagnosed want to feel special. it’s all rot.
the genuinely nuts are no more than 2% of the population at any one time.
there’s an interesting episode of House, so far as mass media can be interesting, which makes the distinction between social intelligence and being liked. they are NOT the same thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Social_Contract_(House)
the message of the writers behind the show was always that House was not only smart, but he has very high insight and social intelligence TOO! and this was his real problem.
in my experience “extraverts” are just sheeple who are clueless as to how disgusting and vacuous they are.
why shouldn’t it be that social intelligence and iq are positively correlated? that is, so far as there is any objective measure of social intelligence.
according to the g theory the two should be positively correlated.
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT pm
Because g is about reasoning, while social skills requires learning by mimicking which is a different type of learning completely unrelated to the learning by reasoning which g helps one with.
Lion of the Blogosphere
May 25, 2014 at EDT pm
if the scores you’ve reported are correct, you’re way too smart to think that lion.
“g” is the positive correlation of ALL tests!
the “g-factor” is something else and a misunderstanding of psychologists.
jorge videla
May 26, 2014 at EDT pm
What’s interesting about this is that liberals think capitalism is cruel because some people end up being losers. But the same is true regarding the sexual marketplace. And being a loser in the sexual marketplace is much worse than being a loser in the economic marketplace, since success in the latter is to a large degree a tool used to become successful in the former.
It’s not the lack of sex that drives people crazy. Masturbation can take away sexual frustration in one minute. This is more of an emotional problem, the guy asks himself “Why them and not me?” And the real reason is because you’re a loser. There’s no honest way to deal with the issue. Religion at least allows people to feel like they’re loved by God, since no actual human can actually find them likable.
Hepp
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
He was probably only aiming for the most desirable White women, or just them in general. Many non-White men and low status White males trying to score White women is as bad as the academic trying to become a tenured professor or making partner in a BIGLAW firm.
As a businessmen who sees many different clients here in NYC, and I admit a few decent blacks as well, but rare, White women who tread liberal are by far the most difficult and self entitled demographic I’ve come across. Always demanding you to walk the extra mile for them and making your work not pleasant as expected, including not paying on time, because so many of them live through the high life without budgeting their expenses properly. Sound like a misogynist, but this is the current state of affairs in America.
JS
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Religion at least allows people to feel like they’re loved by God
You should know that religion and masturbation do not mix.
Except in moments of spiritual ecstasy, one does not experience such feelings of immense love, since most people are not spatiotemporally proximal to any religious institution or experience. One can become dejected when one lives their life: some have much stamina and retain their joy, regardless of any trial, tribulation, or frustration they may encounter throughout their days; others, myself included, are more neurotic and tend to be discouraged for whatever reason and sometimes miss prayers or even Mass.
Unlike Elliot Rodgers, I do not suffer much rejection, nor do I have a strong desire to find a mate though.
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Well, I have a practical solution, everyone should mate every seven years. That was inspired by the most rational race in the galaxy, the Vulcans.
Latias
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
There’s no honest way to deal with the issue…
so those who deal with it lie to themselves.
clinical depression is the inevitable result of losing the ability to lie to yourself.
but this is a virtue.
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
” Another Elliot Rodger video, where he comes off as more sympathetic and less maniacal than in his last video.”
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He still gives off strong crazy vibes when he says, with apparent sincerity, things like:
“I’m magnificent”
“Look at how fabulous I look”
“I’m so magnificent I deserve girls…”
“Look at me…I’m gorgeous”
He also seems obsessed with a particular type of girl: blonde and very good looking. Given the wealth and power of his father he must have a truly repellent personality if has never been able to at least get a girl’s number of his phone.
Asperger syndromemaybe?
Rosenmops
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
He looks like one of the actors in “Vampire Diaries” and “Lost”.
Map
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
There is a clinically recognised psychological condition known as Narcissistic Personality Disorder. It would seem from his assertions that this man suffered from this.
martin
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
He doesn’t seem any more narcissist than the typical guido from Staten Island.
Lion of the Blogosphere
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Or the typical college blonde girl, for that matter…
Thomas
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Listening to Steve Winwood is prole.
I’m sure the guidos including the Jersey Shore crowd don’t mind listening to him, as they blast his Higher Love song at their parties.
JS
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
This young man came across as seriously disturbed. The guidos’ “I’m so cool” persona is pretty obviously an act,and doesn’t come across (at least to me) as mental illness.
Interesting that almost any post on this blog can work in a guido reference. Something tells me that in college Lion wrote a term paper for Biology class entitled: “Qualitative Analysis of Plant Growth: the guido vs. SWPL perspectives.”
MaryK
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Lol MaryK, hilarious comment.
I for one value and enjoy any and all guido references.
jjbees
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
because someone is weird or different does not mean they’re “sick”.
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
bullshit!
no practicing psychiatrist EVER diagnoses people with personality disorders.
they’re in the dsm, but no one cares.
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
Agreed that too much of this doesn’t make sense. My first instinct, having just read about this about 20 minutes ago, is that this is some kind of crazy, extreme performance art on his behalf. Pretty wild guess but it all seems so cultivated as to be absurd and fit a stereotype. All his videos were uploaded recently.
TimM
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
The monologues do sound almost artistic. But the frontier is thin with “autistic”. For lack of a manifesto, we will never know.
Thomas
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
There is no reason to over-analyze why this kid couldn’t get laid. The type of person who makes blogs and video diaries about how sad and lonely he is and how no one likes him, much less who goes on a killing rampage because he can’t kiss a girl, will be socially awkward and reek of desperation.
Yes, he’s short and part Asian, but he is not bad looking, is rich, and has a semi-famous family. Anyone with even the slightest bit of social skills could use that to get laid once during college.
Mike
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
He’s not attractive by White Eurocentric standards. He has significantly lower SMV than a Brad Pitt or Di Caprio type.
Why do you think those blondes don’t give him the time of the day, despite his upper middle class background?
JS
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Standards for attractiveness are probably especially high in California where everyone works out, gets implants, plastic surgery and has a beach body all year round and all the (aspiring) actors, models and reality stars (and their kids) live. Even good looking people feel inadequate in California.
pumpkinperson
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
but laid by whom?
“social skills” has no semantic function. it’s purely ideological. when people say “social skills this” or “social skills that” what they really mean is…”i don’t have to trouble my empty head about such matters.”
EVERYONE i have ever met who was esteemed for his social skills i found disgusting, insincere, unctuous, phony.
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
A Miscer strikes again…
Renault
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
this is what happens in a liberal feminist society. where the there are soft harems in which alphas get all the sex and the betas get none. this beta made the logical conclusion. “why should i follow societies rules if there are no rewards for me?” the simple said fuck the system and did some damage on his way out.
more and more males will do this. the solution is to increase social pressure on women not to have sex before marriage. but good luck with that
eric Cartman
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Alpha = Have good looks and is high status
Beta = Less
Omega = None
When women throw themselves at you because you are an alpha, it reinforces the hazy term of alpha, which is basically a high status – good looking dude.
Unattractive men are losers in a liberal feminist society. And the bar has been set higher than ever before by college educated women and the downturn of the economy.
And, we’re talking about White women!
JS
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
JS, an economist at the university of technology Sydney said pretty much the same thing:
Survival of the sexiest:
http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2012/10/10/3607967.htm
Josh
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
women have impossibly high standards for men and NONE for themselves.
women’s liberation has been an unqualified disaster for men AND women.
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
Surivival of the sexiest: Yes, it’s all about looks.
Many mesomorphic guys in NYC who brand themselves as struggling artists are also models, and some of them do pretty well, especially if they model for an outfit such as Abercrombie & Fitch. Now compare them to the run of the mill – ectomorphic Hipster who has similar aspirations, but lives parasitically from a trust fund, because he can’t really capitalize on his looks.
JS
May 25, 2014 at EDT pm
Thank you for saying he was “logical”. I think the burden of proof is on those who say that he is mentally ill, and he apparently he is not.
Latias
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
This young man was good looking enough to get sex. His family had money and some connections. If he couldn’t get a girl there must have been some good reason for his failure. Maybe he couldn’t get the kind of girl he wanted. Some people won’t “settle” – whether male or female. They want only a certain type of person and refuse to consider anyone else. Also, some people are angry at the world and are looking for a reason to be angry and lash out. Something tells me that even if he got some sex he would have had a hard time making any relationship with a woman work out – even a short-term one. For some people, saying “F you” and walking off is the only real power they’ll ever have.
My guess is that his real problem was too high expectations combined with an upper-middle-class sense of entitlement and a youthful impatience.
MaryK
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Being in Southern California, he could have gotten a date with an attractive Mestiza who look likes Selena Gomez or an Asian women who would give him the time of day as last resort.
One of his rants showed that he was upset with unattractive Indian men who were able to land beautiful blondes, which is of course unbelievable. So yes, he had some superiority complex thing going with him and highly exaggerated his claims.
JS
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Selena Gomez is a beautiful woman even by white standards.
Map
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
it is despair itself to be unwanted by someone you want desperately, but in general such people are in the same situation.
the woman you love loves a man who doesn’t love her, etc.
“happily ever after” basically NEVER happens. even when people get married one will love the other much more. one will be along for the ride.
and once you’ve got the object of your desire the desire evaporates.
the secret of marriage is no better options or forever remaining strangers to one another…always staying a bit of a mystery.
it’s bullshit.
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
I’m two thirds of the way through reading his manifesto and I think you are correct. He was obsessed with beautiful blond women and would certainly not consider any other type of woman. He was definitely extremely angry with the world. He was enraged that other men had beautiful blond girlfriends and he didn’t.
He was extremely immature, almost childlike, in many ways. (for example he thought he could win the lottery just by wishing about it really hard.) He had a very jealous, vindictive, humourless nature and a massive sense of superiority and entitlement. He was also extremely shy and frightened of beautiful women. I don’t think he ever asked a woman on a date. His technique of trying to find a girl friend was to take college classes or just walk around the neigbourhood and hope that some beautiful girl would notice how fabulous he was and start talking to him. He dropped most of his classes after realizing that none of the pretty blond girls in the class were going to notice how wonderful he was. He became enraged if he saw pretty girls in his class talking to other men. He would go home and cry. He felt very sorry for himself most of the time. He saw himself as a victim.
I don’t think he was schizophrenic or a psychopath although he probably suffered from some sort of depression. His personality was massively screwed up. He seemed to get along ok in elementary school, but even then he was known as a quiet, weird kid. He talked a lot about being afraid and socially awkward as a child. In highschool he was teased and bullied. After grade 9 his parents put him in some sort of special school for misfits where he just worked at his own speed. I don’t think he was stupid, and if his manifesto is accurate he had a remarkable memory for childhood events and names. He was actually a pretty good writer and could probably have sold his manifesto if he had checked himself into a psych ward instead of killing people. But he was such a cruel, vengeful person I don’t think psychiatrist could have fixed him.
Rosenmops
May 25, 2014 at EDT pm
but anyone you get to know well enough and anyone who gets to know you…
you’re both “massively screwed up”.
jorge videla
May 26, 2014 at EDT pm
I’m glad we have a female perspective on this. Here is another. I was watching the news with my wife, and she saw a snippet of his vlog. Her verdict was that no girl would put up with any guy that obsessively narcissistic, no matter how wealthy or good-looking. Girls didn’t like him because he was a full-on nut bag.
Saskatoon Sammy
May 27, 2014 at EDT am
I agree that the 22-year-old Elliot was a weird person, but he became weird because of his social isolation that prevented him from learning how to behave normally.
Lion of the Blogosphere
May 27, 2014 at EDT pm
It’s generally underestimated the extent loneliness can drive people to insanity. Perhaps “social isolation” is a better term than loneliness. A number of child molesting priests, in interviews, have said they were never gay or attracted to children but started molesting children out of sheer mind-numbing loneliness.
This guy doesn’t seem particularly crazy or even creepy from his video (somewhat creepy, but I’ve met creepier). In fact he seems rather calm, composed, and coherent. And he’s not ugly. Who knows what put women off him. Maybe he was too intelligent, had strange interests, or was extremely short which unfortunately is a death knell to most women’s sexual interest. Which doesn’t make sense as short men live longer than tall ones
slithy toves
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Why don’t short men go out with short women? Wouldn’t this be the obvious solution? Maybe I’m being naïve but I have a hard time seeing why a short women would want to be with a man a lot taller than her instead of a man her height or only slightly taller. Then again, I’ve never associated taller with superior the way American culture tends to, so I’m probably an outlier. But a big discrepancy in height would make physical contact between a man and a woman a bit…..(how to put it?)….awkward. Wouldn’t it? All I know is that I’ve often had crushes and sexual fantasies about fairly short men, but never had any fantasy about doing some 6’4 giant.
MaryK
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Since height is largely controlled by genetics, a short person marrying another short person is likely to result in short offspring. As you wrote, American culture associates tall with superior, so the children would be doomed to inferior status.
nebbish
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Because short women want tall men. Hypergamy in action.
Map
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Mary, are you serious? On campus, i see short men with girls, but outside of campus, in the real world, i very rarely see a short man with an attractive girl.
Girls of all heights prefer taller men.
Josh
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
it’s a very rare person who isn’t driven mad by social isolation eventually. introverted or not.
even the hermetic orders (the carthusians and the camaldolese) do see other monks/nuns every day and speak with them once a week.
of course in the modern age of psychiatry someone like john the baptist or st anthony would be diagnosed as crazy on the spot.
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
“I think there’s a clue there.”
I too think this is notable, although I have no specific theory of what it means or whether it’s important. Do you? If so, will you tell us? I can’t guess.
Francis
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
As someone who went to a shitty state school despite high intelligence (took a scholarship), the social milieu sucks for people like us.
My social skills are pretty average, but the school’s students are probably 15-20 IQ points lower than me, on average. Good luck fitting in. This Rodger guy may have had the same problem. Intelligence isn’t really attractive to women, and he would have done better at an Ivy League where the girls were on the same intellectual level and weren’t as scornful of him.
A problem he may have had was a lack of future time orientation, despite his smarts. I worked hard and am going to a prestigious graduate school where I can mix with my intellectual equals, and have a good career afterwards. I highly doubt I’m going to end up incel. Obviously, Roger didn’t think far enough ahead, or was sick of jumping through hoops for the pussy. Can’t blame him- it’s his life, but obviously he had alternative options…as an attractive guy he certainly could have met cute girls using Tinder or OkCupid. Why didn’t he ask his dad to take him to Hollywood parties with him?
jjbees
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
I had a similar college experience. Going to that school was easily the worst decision of my life. There’s not a day that goes by that my gut doesn’t wrench in bitter regret over the thought of what might have been. Of course, I was always too dysfunctional to truly enjoy success. But I had enough of what admissions boards look for to have avoided that pit if I’d just been inclined.
mark
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
yeah.
it’s clear he didn’t belong…which is different from lacking social skills, because social skills depend very much on the society one keeps.
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
He gives off a Peter Campbellish vibe.
Daniel
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Mad Men is a show filled with great male role models, of what to be and not to be. Comparing Don Draper to any character played by Paul Rudd is a night and day difference.
Map
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
“Not very many 22-year-olds favorite genre of music is from before they were born. At least that wasn’t the case when I was 22.”
When I was 22 my favorite genre of music was classical, so we’re talking music written before my grandparents were born.
sciences with lisps
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Elliot Rodgers was the son of film, television and musical theatre composer, Peter Rodgers Melnick; grandson of film producer and studio executive, Daniel Melnick; and great grandson of film, television and broadway musical composer, Richard Rodgers. His father went to Harvard and his grandfather NYU. Given his family, I’m going to say the kid was probably pretty bright and obviously very rich. Some people have said he was half Asian but the photos I’ve seen show Peter’s wife, Laini, is white and, I assume, Jewish.
Elliot wasn’t a bad looking kid. He’s thin with a very boyish appearance not unlike Johnny Depp used to have. Some girls like that. But unlike Johnny Depp, Elliot gives the impression of being short. Women HATE short men. I read a report of online dating statistics a long time ago which showed women actually prefer bald to short. But given Elliot’s reasonably good looks and wealth I don’t think that’s it.
Rather, watching that video gave me the Donnie Darko creeps. There’s definitely something wrong with him that goes beyond women not liking him. In one of his videos he mentions he’s “always alone” and “always lonely”. So he didn’t have guy friends either. Even nerds and losers have friends but not him. I don’t think he suffers paranoid schizophrenia like Donnie Darko. I do however think he has some disconnect with other people. That’s why Lion’s observation about him listening to 80s music is important. There’s nothing wrong with listening to 80’s music but taken with his lack of friends it shows he’s not on the same page with everyone else.
I can easily see where someone with some sort of personal interaction and social disconnect would analyze himself and go down the check-list saying, “I’m attractive, intelligent, dress well, polite and gentlemanly, come from a wealthy family and have a great car. Therefore, women should like me.” But he never realized the missing ingredient was social interaction. Something he obviously didn’t understand or wasn’t capable of.
destructure
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
RETRACTION: i was mistaken about Elliot Rodgers being the son of Hollywood composer Peter Rodgers Melnick. He’s the son of Hollywood director Peter Rodgers. I thought they were the same person. After comparing photos, I see they are two different people. Elliot is indeed half Malaysian. My apologies for the mistake.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Isla_Vista_shootings
**
I was, however, correct that Elliot had a disconnect that went beyond his difficulties with women. Peter Rodger’s lawyer said “the son had Asperger’s syndrome, had trouble making friends and had been receiving professional help.” They had contacted police a week ago after seeing their son’s youtube video.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27561127
destructure
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
anyone who trusts a diagnosis of asperger’s has asperger’s or is just stupid.
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
Most psychologists are whackjobs who couldn’t find their own arse with both hands and a map. Still, many mental conditions do exist i.e. depression, bipolar, schizophrenia, etc. It sounds like you may be in denial about a diagnosis someone gave you.
destructure
May 25, 2014 at EDT pm
nope.
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT pm
and the same goes for autism and adhd and anxiety and social anxiety disorder and so forth.
in the case of autism, asperger’s, and autism:
1. psychiatry is a business.
2. children are easy marks.
3. parents are shittier than ever.
depression is NOT a genuine mental illness (except in the very rare case of so-called “melancholic” depression). mania and scz are.
anyway, you’re a moron. a creepy moron.
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT pm
My earlier comment wasn’t meant as an insult. I just realized your dad does some psychology and statistics. It’s a valid field and some people are really good at it. I just meant that it also attracts a fair share of whackjobs who aren’t.
destructure
May 25, 2014 at EDT pm
shows he’s not on the same page with everyone else.
my God who would want to be?
you do know that people aren’t all the same, right?
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
Of course, not everyone is the same. But most people aren’t unique in any meaningful way. So they might as well be clones.
destructure
May 25, 2014 at EDT pm
in that case d, you can’t be an hereditist any more.
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT pm
Sure I can. 68% of a population falls within one standard deviation of the mean. Not just for IQ but for just about everything. Ergo, they’re not unique in any meaningful way. But there’s more than one population.
destructure
May 25, 2014 at EDT pm
but, of course, his behavior will be explained as resulting from “mental illness”, just like Ted Kaczynski’s or Bobby Fischer’s. this is ideology at its purest, just like that “the 9/11 terrorists were cowards” meme.
the human sexual appetite does not conform to the demands of modern civilization even for the smart and “civilized”.
ideology is the justification of society/social norms, however absurd.
but the question, “in what sort of society do such things happen?” is never asked, and the us has by far the highest incarceration rate in the world for all of its races…it’s not just a blacks and mexicans problem. and now prisons are BIG business.
the idea of the individual apart from his particular society and pristine is a LIE.
jorge videla
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
The probem is,the victims that these people murder are not society. They are just other individual schmucks. Imprisonment is a necessary and obvious solution.
Map
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
mr. america walk on by…
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
Leftist calls on MRA/PUA sites to be labelled hate groups.
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2014/05/feeling-entitled-sex-goes-wrong-usual
How long before we see re-education camps established for “undesirable elements” in this country? Ten years? Twenty?
Oswald Spengler
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Yes. The Progs want to round up all the “creepy” Betas and put them in re-education camps, but it won’t happen.
All the concentration camps in this country will be full of Liberal-Progressives and they’ll be run by me.
Twenty years.
Robert the Wise
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
he liked to play world of warcraft
lion of the lionosphere
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
i wonder if the prole-ification of santa barbara is as bad as it sounds from this manifesto, or whether he is just a super effete guy reacting to fairly normal “bro” culture on colleges.
it’s crazy to read his manifesto – some over lap with themes on this blog, some just seems like garden variety mental illness.
lion of the lionosphere
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
but “mental illness” is never “garden variety”. it is FAR more common in some societies than in others.
and it’s NOT genetic, despite the bullshit you may have heard.
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
And heeeere’s the manifesto:
His mother is Malaysian Chinese. And the ronery Asian-boi parts do not disappoint.
PAGE 84
“And then this black boy named Chance said that he lost his virginity when he was only thirteen! In addition, he said that the girl he lost his virginity to was a blonde white girl!……..How could an inferior, ugly black boy be able to get a white girl and not me? I am beautiful, and I am half white myself. I am descended from British aristocracy. He is descended from slaves. I deserve it more. I tried not to believe his foul words, but they were already said, and it was hard to erase from my mind. If this is actually true, if this ugly black filth was able to have sex with a blonde white girl at the age of thirteen while I’ve had to suffer virginity all my life, then this just proves how ridiculous the female gender is. They would give themselves to this filthy scum, but they reject ME? The injustice!”
PAGE 121
“As my frustration grew, so did my anger. I came across this Asian guy who was talking to a white girl. The sight of that filled me with rage. I always felt as if white girls thought less of me because I was half-Asian, but then I see this white girl at the party talking to a full-blooded Asian. I never had that kind of attention from a white girl! And white girls are the only girls I’m attracted to, especially the blondes. How could an ugly Asian attract the attention of a white girl, while a beautiful Eurasian like myself never had any attention from them?”
Rain And
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
i don’t think you can take his “hot blonde” rants at face value. kind of sick to assume this was truly “the” motivator.
have to look at the relationships with his parents. commonly, relationship with mom -> relationship with women. relationship with dad/both -> sense of self.
broken home, shuffled about. his dad made foolish decisions, put them in an awkward spot, divorced parents, rejecting step mom, unstable mom.
Last paragraph: “All i ever wanted was to love women and in turn to be loved by them back.”
his mother went on vacation to hawaii, and put him up in a hotel by himself for a week, “with food.” yikes.
this was right after he got himself into his first major bout of serious trouble. instead of canceling her trip and trying to figure out what the hell kind of trouble her son was into. rejected by his father and mother in law at a vulnerable time – couldn’t stay with them either.
not to mention – how they could let him continue to live in isla vista.
the kid was probably nuts to begin with, and an unstable family life made it worse. the parents should really take a lot of blame here.
but of course – the issue here will be …
gun control.
lion of the lionosphere
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
his parents blaming “mental illness” just shows what utter schmucks they were.
but then again most people have shit for parents. i certainly did.
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
yeah.
it’s TOTALLY clear this guy was SANE. just like ted kazinsky and just like bobby fischer and just like mel gibson!
he should be thought of as a terrorist without an organization.
whatever the society, if it’s more than 70 people, it’s a tyranny.
that is, “mental illness”, maladaptation, not fitting in, is NECESSARY. it’s how the system works.
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
Wait there’s more!
PAGE 87
“My father drove up to Santa Barbara to meet me a few days later. The two of us went to have lunch at a restaurant in the Camino Real Marketplace, an area that I often frequented. When we sat down at our table, I saw a young couple sitting a few tables down the row. The sight of them enraged me to no end, especially because it was a dark-skinned Mexican guy dating a hot blonde white girl. I regarded it as a great insult to my dignity. How could an inferior Mexican guy be able to date a white blonde girl, while I was still suffering as a lonely virgin? I was ashamed to be in such an inferior position in front my father. When I saw the two of them kissing, I could barely contain my rage. I stood up in anger, and I was about to walk up to them and pour my glass of soda all over their heads. I probably would have, if father wasn’t there.”
Rain And
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Maybe things are different in California, but I never thought of Mexican men as the sort of high-testosterone Alphas who can have their pick of quality white women.
Peter
ironrailsironweights
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
again. sanity. nothing but sanity. not a word salad. he’s not talking about jesus or aliens…
his rampage was entirely rational. even though it was wrong.
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
Michel Houellebecq’s first novel ‘Whatever’ ends with a omega male virgin stabbing a white girl and black guy to death after an Eliot Rodger’s like rant. George Sodoni was tortured by the phantasm of black guy alphatude as well.
Rain And
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Hey Lion- Is this legit? Guy ripping on shooter days ago. Can the date be faked?
Jump to 6:50 or so.
steve@steve.com
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
haha. Even *Indian guys*. Damn, son, it’s a wonder you didn’t snap sooner:
“Seriously, today at my college I saw this short, ugly Indian guy driving a Honda civic, and he had a hot blonde girl in his passenger seat. What on earth is up with that?!?!? I would climb mount Everest 10 times just to have a girl like that with me. I drive a BMW coupe and I’ve struggled all my life to get a girlfriend. What’s wrong with this world?”
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TbptOnc5huUJ:forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D161988053+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
Rain And
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
Creepy. He’d belong at Stormfront if he was full white. It’s California. There’s white girls sleeping with blacks, hispanics, Asians and even Indians with Honda Civics, but not with psychopathic creeps.
If the kid actually climbed Everest once, he would’ve gotten laid. Crazy, entitled, racist and socially awkward is a bad combination.
Taylor
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
I expect a backlash from certain White males as race mixing begins to take a toll on the beta have nots. I have been noticing a growing number of minority men wearing sun glasses to partly cover their identity as they walk out with their White girlfriends in public.
It can’t be any good, as this is payback for White men race mixing with their women in their 1st place.
JS
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
Rodger, however, apparently did not only hate women. His PuaHate postings include rants against interracial dating and black, Asian and Indian men.
He must be a confused lost soul of a cheap byproduct of White DNA and Asian mtDNA.
JS
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
If the kid actually climbed Everest once, he would’ve gotten laid.
maybe, but nowadays everest is for pussies.
i wonder if messner was a hit with the ladies?
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
Taylor,
“I expect a backlash from certain White males as race mixing begins to take a toll “,,,,,
This is ridiculous. You are basically saying that now (or in foreseeable future) asians/arabs/hispanics/blacks will now need permission of low class whites (blue collar workers, tradesmen, enlistees etc) to date white women or else they will start shooting. Sounds pretty “entitled” to me. Upper class whites don’t care who is banging white women because they don’t suffer from “oneitis”. Only low class people do.
wt
May 28, 2014 at EDT am
on the 80s music – i assume he developed the taste for 80s music from his dad. he probably found it a way to connect with his father emotionally, since the dad seemed to otherwise have turned his back on him. not to mention, remarrying a woman who was scornful of her stepson. the reason i say this – is that it’s hard to get exposed to music 20 years before your time, unless your parents, or your peers, introduce you to it.
lion of the lionosphere
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
he’s an example of how rich parents can still be shit.
if you’re rich and you’ve got an overseas chinese mom and you’re going to community college your parents suck!
jorge videla
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
His mom lived in California near where his dad lived. He lived with his mom more than half the time when growing up. His mom seemed to have rich boyfriends from time to time, but she hid that from her kids.
Rosenmops
May 25, 2014 at EDT pm
He sounds like he’s one degree away from being a homosexaul. If only…
Josh
May 24, 2014 at EDT pm
hm..mom was probably asian (not south asian), hence the ‘eurasian’ thing. Beta male rage is probably the right call with this case.
L
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
“Elliot Rodger loves 80s music. All of his videos that feature music have 80s music in them. This reveals something about his personality, because not very many 22-year-olds favorite genre of music is from before they were born. At least that wasn’t the case when I was 22.”
Lion, I know that as an upper-class, overeducated, urban Jew who is superior to us dumb prole gentiles in every way, you’ve never had a job in manufacturing, so I will clue you in to a sad fact: a 20 year-old white gentile will FREAK THE FUCK OUT if you turn off his “classic rock” radio. Every factory I’ve worked in has one, some, or all of the personnel listening to classic rock. Classic rock being from mid-60s to late 70s or even late 80s, listened to by men born as recently as 1996.
And it’s the same hour long block of music played over and over again for the entire shift (8 to 12 hours or longer).
Robert the Wise
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
1. My parents are prole and not upper class.
2. I worked for a few weeks in manufacturing and it sucked.
3. Loads of Jews worked in manufacturing a century ago, when New York City was full of sweatshops.
4. I worked for two years at a company that manufactured medical products, and the factory floor was in the same building. There were loads of prole people working at that company that I got to interact with.
Lion of the Blogosphere
May 25, 2014 at EDT am
It seems like the girls he killed were no hotties at all, but unattractive fatties such as these:
http://www.njnewsday.com/national/28066-two-sorority-sisters-at-ucsb-named-among-victims-of-shooting-rampage-carried-out-by-son-of-hunger-games-assistant-director-because-he-was-a-virgin-at-22.html
JS
May 25, 2014 at EDT pm
I get the impression not many of the habitues here ever lived in California. I’ve lived in Cal. (mostly north, some OC) for 57 years, and let me tell you there are no young blonde women dating Mex, Filipino or other browns. Even the few you see with brothers are actually bottle blondes. This part of his bio is pure fiction.
explainer21
May 25, 2014 at EDT pm
What you said makes sense!
It’s ridiculous how he said unattractive brown men are with beautiful blondes and he can’t get any, in his manifesto
JS
May 25, 2014 at EDT pm
“PUAHate appears to already be offline.”
http://web.archive.org/web/20140208062914/http://puahate.com/index.php
aandrews
May 25, 2014 at EDT pm