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Thoughts on why Elliott Rodger behaved the way he did

1. Elliot had extreme shyness, and was especially terrified of girls

In my summary of Elliot Rodger’s autobiography, I explained how Elliot developed severe social anxieties because of his inherent high-N personality and being bullied.

There are lots of comments, both here as well as elsewhere on the web, in which people simply don’t get this at all, or don’t want to get it. Perhaps they never experienced any sort of social anxiety ever in their lives, and thus they can’t possibly imagine being fearful of merely talking to people. But for Elliot, probably nothing terrified him more than interacting with a girl whom he is sexually attracted to. Sure it’s an irrational fear, but such is the nature of phobias that they are irrational.

At the same time as he’s terrified of girls, he also is sexually attracted to them, because sexual attraction to girls is part of human nature for males.

Because the concept of severe and crippling shyness of girls is an idea that’s so alien to some people they are ascribing the wrong explanations to Elliott’s problems.

One wrong explanation is that Elliott must have been gay. Any man who has never had sex with a girl must by gay, right? Well actually there are other explanations such as severe shyness, but because that neurosis doesn’t register with some people, they assume he must be gay.

The other explanation I’ve seen a lot of, almost always from women, is that Elliott didn’t have any success with girls because he was a misogynist or otherwise not morally deserving because he was an evil person.

I’m not arguing against the proposition that murdering a bunch of people is an evil act, but the prisons are full of non-virginal men with illegitimate children. To the extent that moral worth increases a man’s chances of not being a virgin, it’s a very tenuous connection at best. In the past when people believed in more traditional Christian morals, they would have believed that a man who had sex before marriage was an immoral person rather than a person who had been rewarded for his good deeds.

Here’s a passage from Elliott’s autobiography demonstrating his fear of girls:

At one moment I pictured what my life in high school would be like, based on how things have been for me in middle school. It was not a bright picture. I didn’t want to have to deal with the cruelty of girls in high school, and I imagined that it would be much worse than anything I’ve ever experienced. I begged my parents to send me to Crespi Carmelite High School, a catholic all-boys school.

Father took me there for a tour, and it didn’t look so bad. It was a very prestigious private school. At least I wouldn’t have to deal with any fear of girls there. We submitted an application. A few weeks later I received the news that I had been accepted to Crespi.

A guy with Elliott’s extreme social anxiety of girls is simply not going to find himself a girlfriend, especially not a pretty one like the girls he was obsessed with, no matter how expensive a car his parents bought him. And it should be noted that he didn’t get the BMW until the last year of his life at which point he was pretty much beyond hope and in a very dark place planning his Day of Retribution.

In addition to non-anxious people not being able to understand Elliott’s phobia of girls, this seems to go in the other direction as well. Several times in the autobiography, Elliott expresses surprise and shock when he discovers that some other guy has a girlfriend, because he can’t imagine himself engaging in the sequence of events required to obtain a girlfriend, so he doesn’t understand at all how someone else does it.

For example, he writes about one of his roommates at Santa Barbara:

I was a bit shocked when Spencer told me that he used to have a girlfriend. It was a casual comment that came out of a conversation we had. I didn’t understand how a chubby and unattractive guy like Spencer would have been able to get a girlfriend, while I’ve never had the chance to. The guy was three inches shorter than me, and even I am considered short for my age. I could not fathom how such a thing was possible

2. Elliott believed that the only validation of self-worth is to have a pretty girlfriend who he has sex with

It’s interesting that his desire for a pretty girlfriend enrages a lot of female commenters. How dare he feel “entitled” to such a thing? The word entitled comes up a lot in the comments. But don’t all men feel they are entitled to girlfriends, sex, or marriage? Without this feeling of entitlement, the human race would come to an end. In other circumstances, if a man expressed the belief that he didn’t deserve or wasn’t worthy of having a girlfriend, he’d be accused of being depressed or having low self esteem, and in need of therapy to cure his feelings of low self-worth.

I agree, of course, that Elliott was dreaming of girls who were out of his league, although perhaps all girls were out of his league given his extreme social anxieties. But the important thing here is that this is what he believed, and because he knew that the only important thing in the world worth living for was out of his reach, life wasn’t worth living, but his life could at least have some useful purpose if he took down some of his enemies with him. Yes, I know, it’s deviant thinking (although not necessarily psychopathic thinking or narcissistic thinking ), but that was his thought process.

How did Elliott come upon these beliefs?

For starters, all you have to do is turn on your television, and you will get the message that the cool and popular people are having sex. Popular culture is also eager to give us the message that male virgins are losers, such as in the movie The 40-Year-Old Virgin.

As for why he thinks that his girlfriend must be pretty, he probably learned that behavior from the adults in his life, his parents, his stepmother, and their friends.

When he was seven, his parents got divorced, and a very short time later a beautiful actress, Soumaya, moves in with his father. Furthermore, we can’t help but note that Soumaya has a pretty lousy personality and treats Elliott poorly. The further message he gets from his father’s choice of a second wife is that women are primarily valued for their beauty and not for any other positive attributes they may have.

Additionally, we have his parents’ Hollywood friends, such as Simon Astaire who has sex with famous models and probably brought some beautiful girlfriends with him to parties that his father hosted.

This was also an environment where it seemed that every kid was being groomed by his parents to be an actor or actress. There are very few plain-looking actors and actresses, and maybe there’s one ugly person in all of Hollywood who is occasionally called in as extra when they need an ugly person. This Hollywood scene in which Elliott grew up valued looks above all else. There is certainly no evidence from Elliott’s autobiography that his parents valued things like getting a good education or being successful in any career other than Hollywood.

I can also imagine his parents disparaging women or girls they see who aren’t attractive. And Soumaya, especially Soumaya. Can’t you imagine Soumaya saying something like “that girlfriend that X brought to dinner is ugly, what is he thinking” or “Y’s daughter is fat, her mom had better put her on a diet”? I know I can. Or maybe it was even his mother who said stuff like that. Elliott’s mother is a mystery; Elliott was probably unable to write about her objectively.

Given this background, it’s easy to see why Elliott may have desperately wished that he could prove his worth to his parents and Soumaya by presenting a girlfriend who was the type of girl that this culture valued.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

May 27, 2014 at EDT pm

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  1. Eliott Rodger needed to learn how to Stop Caring.

    Oswald Spengler

    May 27, 2014 at EDT pm

    • He should have started wearing sweat pants.

      ScarletNumber

      May 27, 2014 at EDT pm

    • It’s true, he cared too much; and as Costanza says, when you stop caring, you become attractive. I can identify a bit with Elliot’s drama because I was very shy with women in my teens — until i grew up and stopped caring, and then I ended up more than a few women interested in me, and the less I cared about them, the more interested in me they became (conversely, if I showed too much interest in one, it usually would not work — “That’s the nature of women, not to love when we love them, and to love when we love them not.” (Miguel de Cervantes))

      But even if that was not the case, one shouldn’t make women the only center of one’s life, as it is prone to end badly 9 times out of 10. Elliot should have developed some creative outlet for his anguish. Maybe he could have become a writer, as he seems to have had talent for it.

      Dumbo

      May 27, 2014 at EDT pm

      • It took me until I was over thirty years old to learn that lesson.

        Oswald Spengler

        May 27, 2014 at EDT pm

      • “That’s the nature of women, not to love when we love them, and to love when we love them not.” (Miguel de Cervantes)

        In fairness, same can be said for men as well.

        anon

        May 28, 2014 at EDT am

    • that indifference makes you attractive…

      BINGO!

      in a bogart movie: “how can a man so ugly be so handsome?”

      bogie DIDN’T CARE!

      jorge videla

      May 27, 2014 at EDT pm

  2. Why broadcast your inadequacies to the world? Why let your peers know you’re a virginal loser? For most 20-something men, lingering virginity is a mark of great shame, yet here he was trumpeting it online. Did he humiliate himself for sympathy? Did he want viewers to pat him on the back and tell him it would be okay? I just don’t see the upside to what he did.

    Brendan

    May 27, 2014 at EDT pm

    • Maybe Rodger’s warped psyche had a strong strain of masochism to boot.

      Oswald Spengler

      May 27, 2014 at EDT pm

  3. I knew an extremely shy girl in my early grade school years. Extremely shy. I don’t believe she was ever bullied and she did well academically, but if she were to have made a video similar to the one Elliot made then one would have been instantly suspicious of the true nature of her shyness. I’m sorry, but claiming to be “beautiful” and a “supreme gentleman” along with that sinister laugh all goes against the idea of a truly shy individual. In addition, you simply refuse to see homo-sexuality in its FULL SCOPE (still showing biased deference to its diabolical euphemism “gay man”). You have a limited AND LIBERAL grasp of the phenomenon. There is a reason for this and it is because the true temptation of homo-sexuality/self-annihilation is literally ALWAYS “at hand.” This Elliot went from sexually fetishizing a particular type of female to DESIRING a near total annihilation of ALL females with the idea that it would bring personal peace. Behind the scenes and outside the autobiography was a burgeoning habitual sexual degeneracy that bares no name.

    thordaddy

    May 27, 2014 at EDT pm

  4. i’m glad you have the courage to address this document head-on on this blog. i still think you’re overlooking things rodgers was afraid to talk about – his folks. for one, i still can’t believe his father’s hobby of photographing naked women’s asses – barely mentioned. were these displayed in the household? sure, blame hollywood for the movies depiction of love and relationships. but why go that far from home for answers?

    lion of the lionosphere

    May 27, 2014 at EDT pm

  5. On the flip side, from a young man who had too little sex to a young woman who had too much.

    http://spectator.org/blog/59320/sad-end-young-porn-actress

    SAD END FOR YOUNG PORN ACTRESS”

    By Bill Zeiser on 5.23.14 | 2:22 PM

    Gawker, the internet’s premiere moral vacuum, brings us the tragic story of Alyssa Funke. Ms. Funke, a 19 year old college freshman, took her own life last month after appearing in a pornographic video. Prior to her suicide, Funke had been subjected to rude messages on social media from old high school classmates branding her a prostitute. Her grieving parents blame the unwanted notoriety for her untimely death. From the Gawker piece:

    Funke’s parents said she had long suffered from depression, but they believe the harassment she faced online played a major role in her decision to kill herself. On a fundraiser page they started to fight cyber bullying, they wrote, “Alyssa like so many other teens was a victim of bully and sadly the bullying lead to her death. Social media has revolutionized the way people bully each other now days. Now you can say whatever you want and not have to look the person in the face while doing it.”

    Bullying, cyber or otherwise, is treated as the scourge of our time. But here lies a confusion of cause and effect. Bullying did not lead to Ms. Funke’s death, but her own tragic decisions. She not only suffered from depression, but was a teenager. If teenagers are known for anything, it’s erratic decisions. The straight A student clearly lacked even the clarity to know that her foray into adult film would scandalize her peers….

    Oswald Spengler

    May 27, 2014 at EDT pm

  6. Lion you have done admirable work analyzing Rodgers document and starting some really serious discussion of what was going on with him.

    I think its likely Rodgers uses his autobiography to present an inaccurate view of his life and experiences. Reading through sections of it (I admit I have not read all of it) its hard to believe some of these things played out the way they did. I think his neurosis caused him to interpret things in accurately and see behaviors and intents that weren’t there.

    A lot of time has been spent on discussions of whether Rodgers might be “gay.” I will say that I am skeptical that he had anything resembling a normal sexuality, straight or gay. If we take him at his word, he had no physical contact with either sex. He seems obsessed with sex and seems obsessed with male sexuality. One quote –

    ” I arrived at the house one day, my mother being at work, and heard the sounds of Samuel plunging his penis into my sister’s vagina through her closed room door, along with my sister’s moans. I stood there and listened to it all.”

    Strikes me as indicative that perhaps Rodgers was to some extent hung up on male sexuality. He seems very hung up on “Samuel” who his sister apparently was dating.

    There’s other things in the text as well that make me think he was on some level extremely confused about his sexuality. It’s odd he had NO significant female friends, but at least had a handful of male friends. This doesn’t mean he was gay but indicates that he was more comfortable with men. For handsome, sensitive loner types like Rodgers, there are usually women available to spend time with and befriend in the way he befriended other men.

    It’s very odd to me that he didnt have Sex with a prostitute – but likely this didnt fit his ideal fantasy scenario he had created for himself.

    Again, not sure his sexual preferences were coherent or understandable to a normal, non-neurotic person.

    In the end, its odd that he killed twice the number of men than women, and apparently killed 3 Asian nerdboys who were more like him that not (taking his word again here). Was his true rage directed against men and if so why?

    Finally, I view whatever was going on with his sister as some sort of trigger to this event. It seems to be the last truly significant event in his life before deciding to go on the rampage ( perhaps more accurately the familys decision to take Samuel with them to England while Rodgers stayed behind).

    Paul Rise

    May 27, 2014 at EDT pm

    • Didn’t you read the part about his severe social anxieties? He was too AFRAID of talking to girls to have any female friends.

      Gay males wouldn’t have such social anxiety about girls because they aren’t sexually attracted to them, thus they don’t care enough to be so anxious.

      • Seems like social anxiety is social anxiety. He mentions striking up conversations with men and even friendships.

        I don’t want to get hung up on the whole gay thing, but I definitely have questions. People in my family have had social anxieties and they basically couldn’t function around strangers, only close family. Didnt matter whether they were attracted to them or not.

        The guy from Rap Genius zeroed in on the sister too. He noted Rodgers never mentions her until she is having sex, but he definitely mentions the boyfriend, Samuel. Whatever wa going on here, whatever Rodgers sexuality (I’m not convinced he was gay by any means) the sister having sex with Samuel pushed him over the edge somehow.

        By the way it’s worth noting his manifesto/autobiography is very well written. The line –

        “I will deliver a blow to my enemies that will be so catastrophic it will redefine the very essence of human nature” seems as succinct an encapsulation of the psychotic worldview as any I have read. Could have been penned by OBL.

        Paul Rise

        May 27, 2014 at EDT pm

      • This is where being asian hurt him- he really wasnt a good drinker because of his asian genes.

        Drinking would have calmed down a normal kid and drunk chicks would have perceived him as not as weird. But he goes from “having a few beers” to vomiting and black out drunk. Or picking a fight with an asian guy because he was enraged that he was daring to talk to a blond.

        He had no happy middle ground.

        Lion of the Turambar

        May 28, 2014 at EDT am

      • Alcohol would help someone who is a little shy to open up, but his problems were too much to be sufficiently mitigated by a few drinks. And being a stumbling-down drunk isn’t actually the turn-on to girls that the drunk person may think it is.

      • “Gay males wouldn’t have such social anxiety about girls because they aren’t sexually attracted to them, thus they don’t care enough to be so anxious.”

        This perfectly matches my personal experience re sodomites who came out of the closet later in life — they were great with beautiful girls because they had absolutely no anxiety around them, unlike the normal heterosexual guys I knew who clammed up and/or dorked out around hot chix. This whole “Rodger was gay” theme is pure projection.

        sciences with lisps

        May 28, 2014 at EDT am

      • “Gay males wouldn’t have such social anxiety about girls because they aren’t sexually attracted to them, thus they don’t care enough to be so anxious.”

        “This perfectly matches my personal experience re sodomites who came out of the closet later in life ” ———————-

        We’re talking about a guy who hasn’t come out of the closet and, just happens to be telling the world how obsessed with women he is though he makes virtually no effort whatsoever to approach them, either through the internet or in person. Exactly as many gay men do before they come out of the closet (from my observation).

        Try this on as a thought experiment. Try and compile a list of gays who are now out of the closet but before coming out had all the mannerisms of Elliot, the sneer, the laconic drawl, the weird ‘Elliot Rodgers here” tone of affected importance (so similar to Gore Vidal as someone else trenchantly observed). Gore has already been mentioned. So has Morrissey. That Savage schmuck. David Geffen? Not a hard list to compile.

        Now try and imagine someone heterosexual who has these traits, is in his fifties or older and is thought to be heterosexual. . . . (crickets) . . .

        Curle

        May 28, 2014 at EDT pm

  7. rodgers was small.

    from some of the comments it appears being small is ipso facto being gay. even if one weren’t so “oriented” the commenters here would make sure you ended up gay.

    well…most people are morons…including most hot girls.

    if rodgers were over 6′ and had dave winfiled shoulders this wouldn’t have happened.

    and “for the record”, i’m over 6’1″ and over 200lbs.

    jorge videla

    May 27, 2014 at EDT pm

    • what kind of name is “rodger”? shouldn’t it be “rodgers”?

      the self-fulfilling prophecy that is society.

      jorge videla

      May 27, 2014 at EDT pm

      • Another problem is that “Elliott” is such a wimpy, effeminate, old-fashioned name. His parents didn’t do him any favors by picking it.

        Brendan

        May 27, 2014 at EDT pm

      • For all those who thought this kid was good looking and normal in appearance. Looking at pics when he was a juvenile, he looks like the kid whom people would make fun as being retarded . His sister looks a lot better than he does and has no semblance to him.

        I don’t know about you guys, but I found his pouty lips to be a bit unnerving.

        JS

        May 28, 2014 at EDT am

  8. i remember neal cassady saying to kerouac, “women are whores. but in the exact opposite sense that’s usually meant.”

    jorge videla

    May 27, 2014 at EDT pm

  9. Well, not only did I never kill anyone, but the hot blonde who teased me in high school went on, about ten years later, to earn status as the most indebted individual in America. Seems her father defrauded several banks out of about $100 million, and she cosigned the loan documents. It was a fluke that I even learned about it, as I almost never read the business pages in the mid-80’s. Almost immediately she was wiped off the news by Michael Milken.

    vip ltd.

    May 28, 2014 at EDT am

  10. “Furthermore, we can’t help but note that Soumaya has a pretty lousy personality and treats Elliott poorly.”

    Don’t you think it says something about how she viewed Elliot’s father i.e. as a mere beta provider for HER son?

    Martin

    May 28, 2014 at EDT am

    • Not a surprise, given the stereotypes of Moroccan women who trade sex for money in the Arab world, and perhaps in the greater sphere.

      JS

      May 28, 2014 at EDT am

    • I would not take what he says about the stepmother at face value.

      AJ

      May 28, 2014 at EDT am

  11. Lion, though I can appreciate the comments here where some once nerdy guys with social anxieties seem to identify with Elliot, especially against the charge of being gay, I cannot help but recall that back in the mid-80s Morrissey had such supporters proclaiming “sure he’s effeminate, but he’s not gay, he’s just shy, awkward, etc., etc., etc.” Twenty-plus years on does anyone still believe Morrissey isn’t gay? You might recall that Morrissey, according to the story line, wouldn’t leave his home where he lived with his parents due to social awkwardness and anxiety, etc., etc. etc.

    It seems there are some nerdy guys who still remember the sting of being called a fag or worse by the school bully who feel the need to defend effeminate and likely gay Elliot against the bullies who would tar him so. There’s a big difference between being called a fag because you are weak and shy and being called a fag because you exude the kind of effeminacy that so many noticed immediately upon viewing his video, the kind of effeminacy that Morrissey still exudes.

    Curle

    May 28, 2014 at EDT am

    • Attitudes like yours further led to the shame that Elliott felt about being a virgin which led to the mass murder.

      • Oh please. Shame about being a virgin? Lots of men are virgins into their 20s. His shame was about something else, not being a virgin. And the shame was self-generated.

        BTW – like Elliot, Morrissey is a monstrous egoist. And, he only came out into society when Johnny Marr coaxed him out of his hermit like existence. Then he gave his egoism full flag and became the star we know. Nevertheless, the parallels are there. Especially, the angry defenders insisting “he’s not gay he’s sensitive!” For all I know Morrissey was a virgin into his 20s.

        The key is the effeminacy. Lots of guys who aren’t effeminate don’t get laid. Getting laid isn’t the issue with Elliot, however. He’s almost certainly a repressed homosexual. You can spot it a mile away from his video as Ms. Tone so correctly pointed out many posts ago.

        Curle

        May 28, 2014 at EDT am

      • Nowhere in his autobiography does he talk about any effiminate type of stuff. He likes sports but he doesn’t do them because he sucks at them, not because he’s disinterested. His interests are not girly interests like wearing his mothers dresses, they are normal nerdy guy interests like playing videogames and science fiction/fantasy type of books like Game of Thones.

        He only discovers fashion late in life, and becuase he thinks that wearing expensive clothes will magically make him more attractive to girls (and in fact it could be a plus factor for someone more normal, so this isn’t really a delusion).

    • A pop star like Morrisey is hardly comparable to a basement dweller with crippling social anxiety, no matter what sort of image he tries to project. If he was really shy, he wouldn’t be on stage.

      aisaac

      May 28, 2014 at EDT am

      • And once he goes on stage, he suddenly becomes an alpha male in the minds of some women, who will then approach HIM instead of waiting for him to make the first move, which is no doubt a great way to overcome shyness of women.

    • Morrisey might not be the best example. He may be gay, but he has always been sort of coy about his sexuality, and has lead an idiosyncratic lifestyle. I think that’s less about him wanting to stay in the closet than him not wanting to be pigeonholed.

      But also, he came from kind of a rough scene. He was in The Nosebleeds with The Cult’s Billy Duffy before The Smiths. Duffy is the one who first encouraged him to sing. I didn’t follow them then, but I can imagine some Smiths fans being thrown off by that blue collar, Manchester punk background.

      Dave Pinsen

      May 28, 2014 at EDT am

      • No comparison is perfect but here are some things to consider about Morrissey.

        Misanthropic? Check. Expressed hostility towards women? Check, “Girlfriend in a coma” (sings about his happiness that his girlfriend is in a coma, perhaps tongue in cheek but behind every joke . . .). Socially awkward? Check. Poor dresser adopts later fashion sense? Check. Adopts an idealized view of the ‘right’ people which becomes the baseline with which he judges everyone else? Check, his idealization of Oscar Wilde and his constant feeling of being an outcast in a land of morons; Hermit like existence for much of young life? Check. Wild over-fixation on self? Check. Egoism? Check. Claims to be a virgin? Check. Spends lots of time writing or talking about himself, his feelings, etc. Check. Has lots of sensitive defenders who seem to sympathize with what they imagine is his plight? Check.

        The biggest difference between these two guys is Morrissey never assaulted anyone (that I know of) and Morrissey had the bad fortune/blessing of growing up lower class in Manchester, UK.

        Curle

        May 28, 2014 at EDT am

      • Re: Morrissey comparison. I left out obsessive brooding. Check.

        Curle

        May 28, 2014 at EDT am

      • Morrisey isnt the right comparison.

        I get a Gore Vidal vibe from Elliot. He is always having jelosies, rages or break downs. And the constant envy of everything.

        Lion of the Turambar

        May 28, 2014 at EDT pm

    • Morrissey turned that awkwardness into major bank as lead singer of the Smiths and then in his solo career. People still sing his songs, in his prime especially they wanted to have him or be him. Some still do. Some still go to his concerts just to try to touch him – as if his touch is a blessing. He became alpha in his own way when he was in his prime – even if he’s not YOUR thing. Why anyone feels that sexual attraction stems only being from a set definition of “alpha” is ridiculous from this woman’s perspective.

  12. One word that’s been missing from the discussion is “misanthrope”. This dude didn’t just hate women, he hated all human beings. In today’s narrow-minded ideological landscape, the very possibility that someone didn’t hate just a SPECIFIC class of people, but ALL PEOPLE, is deemed an impossibility. Yet, if you look at the words the guy wrote, misanthropy is the most logical conclusion. But, again, this conclusion doesn’t give anyone the opportunity to claim their ox is the one he gored.

    BS Inc.

    May 28, 2014 at EDT am

    • Based on how he was treated by his fellow humans in high school, misanthropy would be a logical reaction and not indicative of some weird mental illness.

      • “Based on how he was treated by his fellow humans in high school, misanthropy would be a logical reaction and not indicative of some weird mental illness.”

        Agree. I suppose my point is that in the “Victimization Olympics” (forget where I saw that phrase first, but I think it’s spot-on) of much of the mass media, something as broad as “misanthropy” doesn’t allow individuals with an agenda to go on TV or online to get all “rah-rah” about how their group, and only their group, was the focus of his hatred.

        Misanthropic tendencies are all-encompassing. There isn’t a group that gets spared or one that gets singled out for additional hatred. It’s the ultimate in equal opportunity, because it’s a form of narcissism that really only allows for one source of value in the world, and that is the self. Any “group”, even the one in which others place the self, is automatically devalued as a result and since all others outside the self can be put into “groups” by the self, others have no value. Paradoxically, this can also lead to someone being extremely tolerant of others. There’s no point in getting riled up by the actions or attitudes of people who have no value.

        BS Inc.

        May 28, 2014 at EDT am

      • Except Elliot Rodger was most likely rejected because he was not able to connect with people he wanted to connect with – and he only wanted to connect with the cream of the crop. One of the keys to fitting in with the party sorority and fraternity types is personality – smiling a lot, being super-agreeable, extremely friendly, and loving the excitement of being in a crowd. Rodgers was none of those things. If you aren’t able to keep up, you are cut. Notice I said nothing abut looks or sexual experience or even height. Looks help, but for the party fraternities and sororities the good looks have to come with the big smile – and a big smile can make you instantly better-looking. A charming narcissist could pull it off – but his troubles were beyond narcissism. He was a narcissist, a psychopath, a sociopath, and filled with anger. It’s not that psychotherapy isn’t man-friendly – it’s that it just that it didn’t work in a case where the guy was off his meds but not considered dangerous enough for a psychiatric hold. Also, there are plenty of virgins who aren’t angry about it. And more virgins around that anyone would car to acknowledge. And some of them are even in sororities and fraternities. You can be a virgin and still be a great looking person with a wonderful personality. Unfortunately, that wasn’t Rodger. And I say that posting those videos should have qualified him for a psychiatric hold. Unfortunately, he was mentally on enough to lie and say the videos were just his way of expressing himself.

    • The women calling him a misogynist seem to ignore the men he killed. His Asian roommates have been basically invisible to them. In death as in life, I guess.

      Dave Pinsen

      May 28, 2014 at EDT am

  13. From his autobiography, when he was 19:

    I started going to James’s house a lot more, since I was now able to drive and the two of us could play
    WoW together again. Seeing James was always pleasant in its own way. He was my comrade in virginity, or he too didn’t get any attention from girls, and I’m sure he suffered from it, but not as much as I did. I was very perplexed as to why he didn’t feel any anger towards girls for denying him sex. He should be just as angry as I am. I supposed he didn’t have a very high sex drive, or he was just a generally weak person.

    To be angry about the injustices one faces is a sign of strength. It is a sign that one has the will to fight back against those injustices, rather than bowing down and accepting it as fate. Both my friends James and Philip seem to be the weak, accepting type; whereas I am the fighter I will never stand to be insulted, and I will eventually have my revenge against all those who insult me, no matter how long it takes.

    No you freak, your friends James and Philip aren’t weak and don’t have a low sex drive. Unlike you, they are SANE enough to bide their time until they get a bit older and find a partner.

    James, who was Elliot’s best friend throughout school, eventually cut off contact with Elliot after Elliot told him about his weird sadistic plans for world domination. James probably thought Elliot would never actually try to carry out any of his weird plans, but didn’t want to associate with someone that sadistic and crazy. Here is another quote:

    After our karate session, when me and James went to a restaurant in the Palisades to have dinner, I
    sometimes got very angry when I saw a group of teenagers, or a teenage couple. I constantly talked to
    James with vehement rage about my envy and anger at such people. I told him about how I wished I
    could make them all suffer. We had a lot of conversations about what we would do if we had all the
    power in the world, and I told him about all of the torturous acts of revenge I would carry out against all
    those who have insulted me or lived a better life than me. I thought that James would relate to me,
    since he was also a virgin who had no girls in his life, but some of the things I said began to disturb him.
    One night, he told me, with a lot of distress, that enough was enough. He didn’t want to hear it
    anymore.

    Rosenmops

    May 28, 2014 at EDT am

    • Nice post. Elliot was a narcissistic jerk, full stop. If he had gotten more attention from girls, no doubt he would have treated them badly. It’s also worth pointing out that 22 is way too young to give up on ever finding a mate, but Elliot does not strike me as a long term thinker, as shown by his lackluster academic performance.

      If he were not already dead, I would want him to be executed for his crimes.

      BehindTheLines

      May 28, 2014 at EDT am

      • A narcissist would write a 137-page book about how great he was, and not a 137-page book about how he was a loser. And a narcissist would have extreme shyness because the narcissist knows that he’s great and that other people should be happy for his company.

        Narcissists want to be the center of attention, but in real life Elliott was quiet and hardly talked to anyone.

        Some badd acting in a video does not make him a narcissist. This is just Elliot projecting or trying to be the person that he wishes he was rather than the person whom he really is.

      • L.of B. wrote:”Narcissists want to be the center of attention, but in real life Elliott was quiet and hardly talked to anyone”

        ——

        But Elliot did desperately want to be the centre of attention. It enraged him to be ignored. He was also too fearful to talk to girls because of his extreme social anxiety. It was this dilemma that filled him with so much rage.

        Rosenmops

        May 28, 2014 at EDT am

      • I don’t see where he wanted to be the center of attention.

        He did want to be part of the popular group, and he did want to have a pretty girlfriend with blonde hair, but being able to demonstrate to his parents that he had succeeded in life by having popular friends and a pretty blonde-haired girlfriend does not mean he wanted to be the center of attention.

      • “A narcissist would write a 137-page book about how great he was, and not a 137-page book about how he was a loser. And a narcissist would have extreme shyness because the narcissist knows that he’s great and that other people should be happy for his company.

        Narcissists want to be the center of attention, but in real life Elliott was quiet and hardly talked to anyone.”

        You are overlooking his constant references to how great he was, how he was the supreme gentleman, etc. He wanted to be the center of attention, only he didn’t think he should have to work for it. He said he would “climb Mt. Everest 10 times” for a girl he saw in a car with another guy. He would allegedly do that, yet he wouldn’t walk up to a woman and say “Hi”? Narcissism can play out in different ways, based on if one is an introvert or an extrovert. An extroverted narcissist would certainly act in ways to draw attention, but an introverted narcissist would be angry that attention isn’t automatically given simply by the narcissist “showing up”.

        BS Inc.

        May 28, 2014 at EDT am

      • “He would allegedly do that, yet he wouldn’t walk up to a woman and say “Hi”?”

        As I keep pointing out over and over again, HE WAS TOO AFRAID TO DO THAT, and furthermore his isolation from normal male-female social interaction made him clueless about how men and women actually get together, and he thought that maybe girls just magically become your girlfriend because you’ve demonstrated the ability to climb the world’s tallest mountain.

        Although there is actually a kernel of truth in there. Men with extreme female desirability, such as rock stars, do have women willing to throw themselves at them.

      • “As I keep pointing out over and over again, HE WAS TOO AFRAID TO DO THAT, and furthermore his isolation from normal male-female social interaction made him clueless about how men and women actually get together, and he thought that maybe girls just magically become your girlfriend because you’ve demonstrated the ability to climb the world’s tallest mountain.

        Although there is actually a kernel of truth in there. Men with extreme female desirability, such as rock stars, do have women willing to throw themselves at them.”

        His being afraid to do something doesn’t negate the “he was an extreme narcissist” hypothesis. The fear came from certain misperceptions of how social interactions work, driven by specific events that traumatized him and became, in his mind, the norm for how social interactions work, from what I’m reading. That can all be layered on top of narcissism, though, and, lacking a social outlet to become the center of attention, he lashed out against society as a whole.

        I started by saying he was obviously a “misanthrope” in the classical sense of the word and that none of the victims can claim “privileged” status in his misanthropic worldview. Misanthropy can come from various sources, but the narcissism angle can’t be ignored and some of his verbiage about how fantastic he was and how other men were nothing but “obnoxious brutes” or “weak” definitely points to a very high self-perception. When society consistently failed to acknowledge that self-perception, it pushed him over the edge.

        So, not arguing that a lot of his behaviors can’t be explained by fear, merely pointing out that his overall attitude was misanthropic, not merely misogynistic or misandristic. The guy wanted to kill his own brother, after all.

        BS Inc.

        May 28, 2014 at EDT pm

      • The part about wanting to kill his brother definitely creeped me out a lot.

      • L. of B. wrote: “The part about wanting to kill his brother definitely creeped me out a lot.”
        L. of B. wrote: “I don’t see where he wanted to be the center of attention.”

        —————-

        I recall several places in his writing that indicated he wanted to be the centre of attention, but I am getting tired of thinking about this freak and don’t want to bother searching. The very fact that he left behind an autobiography and videos indicate he was a narcissist.

        I’m also disturbed that L. of B. and some others here aren’t repulsed by this guy’s obvious sadistic tendencies. All his plans and thoughts about killing and torture creep me out so much I can’t stand looking at his face.

        Rosenmops

        May 29, 2014 at EDT pm

      • It’s true that those with narcissistic personality disorder tend to be very charming. In Rodger’s brand of narcissism, he said he was a God and everyone else were animals he was going to punish. He enjoyed the power of having guns to carry out this punishment. In his brand of narcissism, he was the center of the world and only his feelings mattered. It’s obvious he didn’t have just one disorder, he had many. He was clearly a sociopath, severely depressed, and delusional. It’s not just one thing. But his problems weren’t his height or his virginity or even his messed up family of origin or growing up in Los Angeles. There was a lot seriously wrong with this one. And we will never completely understand what.

      • Loads of proles like owning guns. Are all gun-owners narcissists?

        He was not a sociopath, did not have delusions, read the psychological meanings of those terms, then read his autobiography.

  14. in favor of rodger’s proposal:

    jorge videla

    May 28, 2014 at EDT am

  15. “I agree, of course, that Elliott was dreaming of girls who were out of his league, although perhaps all girls were out of his league given his extreme social anxieties.”

    If there’s one thing I don’t understand about this case, it’s the constant harping on how all the girls are “out of his league”. Why? Other than Elliot’s crippling social anxiety, of course, (probably a learned response rather than an organic defect).

    Much is made of his short slender build. Johnny Depp is short and slender. Tom Cruise is short but bulked up.

    He’s half-asian. So are Keanu Reeves, Bruce Lee, and Mark Dacascos. Didn’t seem to hurt them any.

    As for his looks, many women seem to think he looks cute although that’s no doubt influenced by post-massacre serial killer-fantasizing orgasms.

    To me, Elliot Rodger very much resembles actor Max Minghella and actor Jay Baruchel. In fact, he could easily pass for Baruchel’s younger brother. I don’t think Elliot’s looks were holding him back.

    The ONLY thing preventing him from connecting with women was Elliot’s personality/lack of experience/lack of training. This where his family really failed him. Neglecting him and pawning him off on “professionals” and “experts”. I believe Elliot’s social anxiety resulted from him being shy and passive from an early age which caused peers to taunt and bully him which only intensified his social anxiety until he was basically paralyzed.

    “Popular culture is also eager to give us the message that male virgins are losers, such as in the movie The 40-Year-Old Virgin.”

    This I agree with. The only positive depiction of a male virgin that I can recall seeing in popular media is Marcus the Ranger on the mid-90s TV show Babylon 5.

    Robert the Wise

    May 28, 2014 at EDT am

  16. One thing Elliot did was that he imbibed a model of social status, the rules for distinguishing status within his milieu. He learned a version of his culture and he created a very inflexible status-image of how a high-status person would fit in. His possessed some of the markers of high status, reasonable looks, a nice car, nice clothes, a notable genealogy (at least on his father’s side). Others he sorely missed (great wealth for example) and worse of all, he desperately needed a hot blonde chick to complete his status checklist.

    The reason he created this status-image was in response to both bullying and his observations of social hierarchy. He believed obtaining his status-image would protect him from the extreme pain he suffered in social situations. His status-image would be a protective bubble against the worst ravages of the hostile social environment he experienced.

    For these two missing status items, Elliot unfortunately was severely lacking a social toolbox to achieve these goals. For great wealth he had neither the personality to become an actor nor the academic ability to achieve a high status position. Worst of all he lacked the time and patience that would have been required taking the academic route. His pain was immediate, so the solution needed to be as well. Lacking time and tools he still tried to obtain his goals. On the wealth front he bought lottery tickets and demanded his mother to marry her rich lover. On the hot blonde front, he basically repeated the lottery ticket gambit, he placed himself in public spaces where hot blondes might pass and hoped with all the foolish optimism possible that he would win the sexual version of the Mega Millions jackpot, a hot blonde approaching him and offering herself up as his girlfriend and sex partner.

    So to me Elliot’s “desire” for hot blonds was far less sexual and much more about status and protection attainment. Actually plunging his penis into their vaginas was not the driving factor. The goal and was to complete status-picture that Elliot has embedded in his psyche: that the rest of the world would believe he was plunging his penis into hot blonde ginas, and be impressed / jealous about it and therefore not mob him. This is why he emphasized his virginity; to highlight the gapping hole in his self image.

    So what drove Elliot were status markers, not sexual partners. The same social retardation that led to these simplistic status-images also ensured that he was so severely socially handicapped that he would never obtain them. In fact the only status points he scored were provided to him from others, money, genes and a heritage from his parents; Elliot himself never achieved anything. The most he was able to do was to put himself into a million-to-one position of getting lucky, both with wealth and chicks. He totally lacked the wherewithal to ever reduce these odds to even say a thousand-to-one.

    So from a corrective point of view it seems there were two, not necessarily distinct, paths to go by for curing Elliot. Both his immature status-picture needed to be adapted and he needed to be provided with the social skills to achieve at least a portion of unrealistic goals. Obviously the easier correction, at first glance, would have been manipulating his status-picture. It’s clear the trauma Elliot suffered in school bullying situations, led to him constructing this status-utopia as a means of protection from both bullies and the resulting self-inflicted social pain that the bully conditioned into his psyche. From this point of view his status-haven was not totally irrational. Had he obtained great wealth and a hot blonde, along with the status markers he already inherited, he probably would indeed have been safe from at least the external bullies, we just don’t know about the internal ones though. In any case it seems an intervention plan would have started with placing him in an environment safe from both bullying and being confronted with any conformations of the validity of his status-image. In this safe haven, hopefully the psychic wounds would have started to heal, thus decreasing his internal demons, and so it would have been time to start intervening into the very structure his distorted status-image.

    Looked at this way the decision to send him to Santa Barbara was a tragic error since this was a place that only reinforced the validity of his status-image and at the same time, every day, highlighted for him the stark contrast between those people with the social skills to obtain his goals and the utter futility of his own attempts to ever one day find the shelter of his own completed status-haven. His daily pain created a viscous circle of picking at his psychic wounds which only intensified his need for the increasingly grandiose and unobtainable status-haven. This is why Elliot was not interested in low status fat or FOB Asian chicks, it wasn’t the actual sex that was required, it was the status of a hot blonde that would protect him from his demons, both interior and exterior. And his need was so great for shelter from the pain that he did not have the time to slowly build up his social skills; just like he had no time to work his way through JC to become rich, he needed an immediate protective roof over his head and that could only provided by a hot blonde.

    If he had been sent instead to a seminary or some other low-key all-male environment he may have found the inner peace to allow a skilled professional to ease him away from his obsessive status-haven. Sadly, due perhaps to their very limited high-achieving cultural outlook, this solution seems to never have been on his parent’s radar.

    Torn and Frayed

    May 28, 2014 at EDT am

  17. What continues to perplex me is that yes he suffered from severe shyness and social anxiety around girls and guys who got girls, however, his killing spree involved the violation of severe social taboos (namely killing other human beings) overcoming the fear of his own death and also the risk that he would be captured and sent to prison, which as a weak effiminate white boy would probably be a fate worse than death.

    Leaving aside the immorality of his actions this seems to me like it was an action which took an immense amount of courage and his autobiography clearly shows that he was brooding on this for a very long time. So why did he have the courage to die in what he perceived as a blaze of glory but didn’t have the courage to to work up the courage to talk to a girl (even perhaps meeting them online).

    I guess the answer is his own ideology that he had constructed for himself said that it was impossible for beautiful women to find him attractive and want to have sex with women, but when it came to taking revenge on the world this was something he constantly told himself he had some power over. He constantly visualised his revenge fantasies and replayed them over and over in his head. So when as he finally concludes at the end of his autobiography that there is no more hope left his twin ideology of hopeless and revenge solidifies and he chooses the only thing left in life that can give him validation – revenge.

    All his cultural signals told him that success and validation meant having sex with a beautiful blonde girl. However, his own experience with reality convinced him that this was never going to happen. Rather than learning to trim his sails accordingly he decided to burn the down the ship.

    anony

    May 28, 2014 at EDT am

    • I think that answer to the question is that girls scared him more than dying. It was a very powerful social anxiety.

    • All this time for brooding.

      Had he been raised by proles living on a farm he would have been to busy for any of this nonsense. Young men need something to do. If they can’t find it themselves, their parents have to give it to them. His parents failed him, big time.

      He also needed to learn to overcome adversity. Or even that adversity was normal. All this fixation on bullying was his way of justifying a perpetual vacation from maturity (like butt photographing NRA blaming dad perhaps?). He probably wanted to stay the child he says he hated being. Everything about this guy is phoney. Including his much discussed desire for the opposite sex.

      Curle

      May 28, 2014 at EDT am

      • “too busy”

        Curle

        May 28, 2014 at EDT am

      • Had he had been taller or had he had more intelligence, maybe this wouldn’t have happened. Ok, ok… so many what ifs… no need to use this to support a prole lifestyle or values. Even if he wasn’t able to score, if he was taller, he would at least not be teased due to the perceived threat of retaliation as conveyed by his taller frame (which height is a “free” form of signalling as it does not require one to input any work to build muscle). Clearly if he was more intelligent, he would have more stronger intellectual interests and would not “waste” his time playing WoW (“waste” is in quotation marks since WoW served a therapeutic function for him) and he would at least be objectively intellectually superior to his classmates at Crespi and had some functional niche and identity. As for myself, I primarily used my intelligence (and memory) while I was an adolescent to retreat into the world of knowledge.

        Yes, this person favorited Pokemon episodes (with YouTube ID since they were deleted):

        Pokémon: Season 1 Episode 1 — Pokémon – I Choose You! (G2ktTRQvWfU)
        Pokmon Season 2 Episode 8 The Battle of the Badge (HcNlnj6MM_o)
        Pokmon Season 1 Episode 22 The Tower of Terror (CKVd1L3wCtg)
        Pokmon Season 2 Episode 52 Charizard Chills (18FAPHrpmE4)

        It seems that he did not want to grow up.

        Latias

        May 28, 2014 at EDT pm

      • Some pretty smart people have been addicted to games like WoW.

        And WoW may have actually been good for him. I think he became much darker AFTER he gave up WoW. If he had just been content to be a WoW addict, he wouldn’t have gotten so enraged that he was unable succeed at being a popular kid, and he would have just been a happy loner playing WoW instead of a mass murderer.

      • I should add that I am quite familiar with the content of those episodes, given that I actually watched the anime while I was in college, a lot. Those episodes had a vintage and innocent feel to them.

        Latias

        May 28, 2014 at EDT pm

      • Physical work is even worse for brooding because one can’t distract oneself with reading and stuff like that. It’s a nightmare getting stuck doing motions with body, while these dark thoughts repeat without end.
        Good way to accelerate a killing spree.

        Sturm

        May 28, 2014 at EDT pm

      • Maybe that explains why there were so many postal workers who went on killing sprees.

    • Or maybe he was just too mentally ill even from a very young age and that was the true center of all of his problems.

  18. He was still a stroppy, entitled little wad who threw a nuclear level hissy when he couldn’t get a hot girl.

    Maybe exposure to Hollywood gave him a warped idea of what an ‘appropriate female’ was. The rumour is that the Asian girls who knew him thought he was handsome but he never showed any interest in them. I don’t think you can completely blame Rodger’s upbringing, something in him was just wrong. Constant exposure to overly attractive white women may well have warped what he thought of as ‘his due’, but there was something wrong with him. I’ve read some of the posts he made, he was a complete jerk

    I’ve seen similar behaviour in another young man who refused to even try dating anyone normal, and who raged constantly about how attractive women (I’m talking supermodel level) wouldn’t even talk to him and how unfair it was. Guy was a 90lb nerd with no job and acne. Apparently it’s okay for him to judge on looks but girls aren’t allowed too. This seems a fairly common attitude in men- look like a troll but expects a beauty queen for a girlfriend and doesn’t see the unfairness in that situation get angry when the girls reject you.

    I’m sure these guys didn’t have the same kind of upbringing as Rodger. Probably being good looking and rich made his lack of success even more bitter than for your standard loser. His killing spree was about frustration and rage at not getting what he thought was his due.

    mathilda37

    May 28, 2014 at EDT am

    • He couldn’t get any girl at all. If he was attracted to a girl who was not conventionally attractive, he would have been too shy to talk to her also.

      I am not disagreeing with the proposition that part of a plan for helping Elliott might involve directing his amorous interests to girls more in his league, but his major problem was extreme shyness and high Neuroticism and all the negative emotions that comes with that (jealousy, envy, shame, self-conciousness, etc.).

      But as I said, I strongly suspect he got continuing feedback from his parents and stepmother, the most important people in his life, that beauty was the most important quality that girls have.

      You’re getting hung up on this idea that because his parents were relatively wealthy, that means he couldn’t possibly have any “real” problems. But the fact is that people from wealthy families do have very real problems. They get cancer and other horrible diseases. They can be physically handicapped like not being able to walk or hear. Or, like Elliott, they can have a severe emotional handicap.

      I bet that most people who are in wheelchairs who have wealthy parents would gladly give up that wealth in exchange for being able to walk.

    • He wasn’t good looking. He was slighted in appearance. This contributed to his inferiority complex and his shyness among women. And I’m thinking his part Asian heritage penalized him, bringing his social status several notches down when it came to associating with high status liberal Whites, who often with their hypocrisy complain about racism in this country, when in fact they are more socially exclusive than anyone else.

      JS

      May 28, 2014 at EDT am

    • So Elliot tried to get into bodybuilding, which is the complete opposite of what some people assume about him.

      • Umm, he ‘may’ have used creatine. All the article establishes is that in conversations online he led someone else to believe he was taking creatine. No mention of working out.

        Curle

        May 28, 2014 at EDT am

      • He mentioned lifting weights in the autobiography that you only comment on as if you are an expert rather than actually read it.

      • Because Elliot is a reliable witness.

        Curle

        May 28, 2014 at EDT am

      • So far there has been no evidence of any major lies in the autobiography.

        There may be a disagreement over whether, on his last day of Taft, he cried in his mother’s car or he cried in the high school hallway, but I wouldn’t call that a major distortion. In fact, the high school principal’s remembering that day shows that the day did essentially happen the way Elliot described it.

    • Creatine isn’t a bodybuilding “drug.”

      thordaddy

      May 28, 2014 at EDT pm

    • guys, it was a troll job from a member of the fitmisc forum:

      http://fitmisc.com/forum/showthread.php/63711-ITT-ghettocandyman-gets-questioned-by-reporter-on-facebook-about-elliot-GTFIH

      4 or 5 newspapers took the bait LOL. 2 minutes of googling and they would have realized creatine isn’t some anabolic steroid you can get hooked on. journalism is a joke.

      Martin

      May 28, 2014 at EDT pm

  19. The girls in Southern California and California in general, don’t strike me as exceptionally attractive. Elliot would probably had been more out of place in South Florida, where the girls are a lot prettier, and any non-White person who isn’t remotely Hispanic, he would seem much more out of place than in SoCal.

    JS

    May 28, 2014 at EDT am

  20. Pretty credited analysis, Lion. One of the better ones I’ve seen.

    FWG

    May 28, 2014 at EDT am

  21. Here we have it, from 1934, the Elliott Rodger theme song. It’s actually a perfect musical encapsulation of game.

    peterike

    May 28, 2014 at EDT am

  22. Philip Zimbardo wrote two insightful books about shyness, books that might have helped Rodger.

    sciences with lisps

    May 28, 2014 at EDT am

  23. lion is right that social skills are learned by imitation, but “social skills” is more often than not used to refer to social intelligence, which is a combination of empathy and knowing how to manipulate people or rather knowing how people will respond to what you do.

    of course, the truth is there may be no such thing as each person will respond to you differently and one will never show whatever empathy he has for people he hates.

    jorge videla

    May 28, 2014 at EDT pm

    • as a consequence having social skills means being like bill clinton at ron brown’s funeral.

      and often it just means you’re likeable.

      jorge videla

      May 28, 2014 at EDT pm

  24. Read Through the Comments in lInks Below

    rrf

    May 31, 2014 at EDT am

  25. His mother seems to relate with george lucas

    Translate from Dutch – interesting!

    Mind control commanded mass murder

    http://airvd.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/eenzame-gek-richt-bloedbad-aan/#comment-9906
    Eenzame gék? Ken een hele boél eenzame gekken …Die zitten in de regering politiek wet en staat en sturen tóch een hele bende slachters rovers plunderaars en verkrachters aan dat men ze als Wijk terroristen Mag Beschouwen! Noemen zich soms president minister rechter en sjucks!

    Dát zijn ook degenen die déze eenzame gekken ook creeren met rape en Mind control:

    Als je ook hoort hoe die het over blonde vrouwen heeft …dát is geen eens zijn eigen ras.

    Die is geprogrammeert tot raciale haat op zijn school door rabbis. Die misbruiken dit soort voortdurend om onrust rel en instabiliteit te zaaien! Tristan van der vlis en massa Baby slachter kim de wilde waren ook zulk geprogrammeerde kids die door rabbis gevormd en bevolen werden!
    AIRVD zegt:
    26 mei 2014 om 04:55

    Exact RRF, ben nu zijn manifesto aan het lezen “Twisted Worlds” (mind control achtige titel) en wat blijkt? George Lucas is een vriend van z’n moeder, Lucas is meerdere malen door bepaalde bronnen genoemd als betrokkene bij kinderverkrachtingen. Zie dit bijvoorbeeld http://www.digitalmontauk.com/?p=371 Artikel is niet helemaal vrij van desinfo.

    Santa Barbara is ook waar church of satan/set is opgericht. Hij is inderdaad hoogstwaarschijnlijk verkracht op jonge leeftijd, traumatische gebeurtenis en heeft z’n mind doen shatteren…waarna mind control volgt inderdaad. Trauma based mind control.
    AIRVD zegt:
    26 mei 2014 om 05:06

    In het artikel staat dat George Lucas toevallig z’n hoofdkantoor heeft gebouwd op de Presidio child care center (werd grote rechtszaak maar deels in doofpot gestopt) waar satanisten op grote schaal kinderen misbruikten.

    Seks is voor Elliot Rodger duidelijk een trauma blijkt uit z’n manifesto, hij begrijpt niet dat de wereld zo grof kan

    rrf

    May 31, 2014 at EDT am


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