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Simon Astaire said that that Elliot did NOT have Asperger’s

This is what Simon Astaire (the guy who slept with the famous Ralph Lauren model) told the LA Times about Elliot three days ago:

Astaire said Elliot played the video game “World of Warcraft,” but wasn’t “obsessed with guns or war games.”

Astaire said Elliot had not been diagnosed with Asperger’s but the family suspected he was on the spectrum, and had been in therapy for years. He said he knew of no other mental illnesses, but Elliot truly had no friends, as he said in his videos and writings.

Astaire said Elliot was incredibly shy, spoke haltingly and rarely looked people in the eye. “He was fundamentally withdrawn,” he said. “The guy on the video was much more confident. That is a guy I never met.”

So even though he was in therapy for years, there was no diagnosis of Asperger’s or any other mental illness. Although perhaps the parents didn’t tell Simon everything. And this also conflicts with what CNN found in the court documents.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

May 28, 2014 at EDT pm

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  1. Ann Coulter argues he was schizophrenic: http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2014-05-28.html

    Dave Pinsen

    May 28, 2014 at EDT pm


    • Rodger had been seeing therapists since he was 8 years old. Just last year, his psychiatrist, Dr. Charles Sophy, prescribed him Risperidone, an anti-psychotic. But after looking up what Risperidone was for — schizophrenia — Rodger decided “it was the absolute wrong thing for me to take” and never did.

      See, that’s the thing about schizophrenics — they don’t think they’re sick. They think the lava lamp that’s talking to them is sick.

      Would anyone take Ann Coulter serious.

      Her logic is: Elliot was prescribed risperidone, which is indicated for schizophrenia, by a psychiatrist. Therefore, he has schizophrenia.

      Too many unstated assumptions are need to support this “argument”.

      Not to mention there are some psychiatrists how are quite eager to prescribe antipsychotics for aliments such as “irritability” and other off-label uses, or that it has other approved indications such as maintenance for bipolar disorder.

      It’s hard to feel sorry for a mass murderer, but it was cruel to Elliot Rodger to allow him to refuse medication and turn himself into a monster.

      I could say with all honesty that Elliot did the “right thing” by refusing to take the antipsychotic. A prudent person who doesn’t suffer from overt schizophrenic or manic symptoms would be rather wary of the symptoms of sedation and weight game from the atypical antipsychotic class.

      I’m one of the few who have read all 141 pages. It is a tale of increasing delusions, paranoia, hallucinations and wild, grandiose self-assessments. In other words, it is a slightly less whiny version of Obama’s first inaugural address. (How many pages does your manifesto have to be before we can force you to take your medication?)

      Someone who read the 141 pages should at least realize it was a coherent and well-organized narrative which would strong argue against the notion that he is schizophrenic since a schizophrenic’s thoughts would be too disorganized (by external and internal distraction) to write a moderately long and coherent account of their life. Moreover, it was not completely grandiose, since he often reflects at his weakness and moments of humiliation. And why mention Obama?

      What is with this obsession with forcing someone to take their medication?

      So she really did have the verbal ability to attend and graduate from UMich Law School? Why is she producing garbage as her niche as a conservative? How come she didn’t not parlay her intelligence, assuming that she is merely deprecating herself with offal such as this, into a niche as an analytical, conservative commentator.

      Latias

      May 28, 2014 at EDT pm

      • His behavior and writing is consistent with him being bipolar. He often was depressed for months. In the video he is manic. He wrote 140 pages about his life – who would normally do it? Then he shot bunch of people. If he took risperidone for a week in the state he was right before shooting, he would be fine and nobody would die. Then, as you age, probability of another psychotic break goes down, so he would most likely be fine long term. Assuming he would quit risperidone (slowly over couple week time, which is important) after a week or two of taking it, of course. Taking risperidone for longer than few weeks makes irreversible changes inside your brain similar to what lobotomy would do.

        MyTwoCents

        May 29, 2014 at EDT am

    • and she on the inside.

      jorge videla

      May 29, 2014 at EDT pm

  2. > “The guy on the video was much more confident. That is a guy I never met.”

    Probably because he was on psychotropic medications. Pretty much all of the spree shooters in recent decades have been on psychotropic medications.

    Also, this pretty much backs up Lion’s analysis, that he was not severely mentally ill, but very withdrawn and socially dysfunctional. I have noticed a lot of lack of empathy in people trying to understand Elliott’s situation. No matter how many guys shoot up schools because of social ostracism, no one will ever look at the social problems, they will always just think “that guy was a weirdo.” If anything, we were getting closer to a more inclusive culture in the 90s. In my high school, the jocks were an afterthought. It was the musicians and freaks who were the coolest. It was largely true that you could find a group of friends around whatever you were interested in, and no one bothered you about it. The friendships later in high school and in college were considered deeper than all that superficial crap. Now all that progress has been done away with. Gen Y is the least creative, most conformist generation ever. In a way having grown up in that era of tolerance is a weakness because the youngins coming up today are straight materialist/Machiavellian.

    shiva1008

    May 28, 2014 at EDT pm

    • Because he was ALONE. He wasn’t shy when he was by himself. He was shy around other people.

      • If you were right with all this poor shy soul thing, he would become shy right when he was shooting these people and froze, as he was not alone at the time anymore.

        MyTwoCents

        May 29, 2014 at EDT am

      • He didn’t have to socially interact with them, he just had to pull the trigger.

      • That screams autism–although I’m sure there wasn’t room in your haphazard 20 minute Wiki-education on the topic.

        RBGEORGE

        May 29, 2014 at EDT am

    • Gen Y is the least creative, most conformist generation ever. In a way having grown up in that era of tolerance is a weakness because the youngins coming up today are straight materialist/Machiavellian.

      Some astrologers attribute Gen Y’s lack of creativity due to generational planets in their birth charts which shows restrictions on change or the flair for the arts. Outer planets transitioning, that affect an entire generation during their birth years in certain sign placements which aren’t conducive to creative endeavors.

      JS

      May 28, 2014 at EDT pm

      • Btw, Gen Y are materialists, yes! Machiavellian, no!

        Conformism and Machiavellianism are opposites. Gen Y can’t seem to think outside of the box nor show any originality in their approach to life. They’re somewhat rigid and orthodoxical. Machiavelli tells you to do the opposite.

        JS

        May 29, 2014 at EDT am

      • Ah, cool. That’s that then. Planets and shit. Maybe they can glug some homeopathic magik water to feel better,

        Tim

        May 30, 2014 at EDT am

      • “Machiavelli tells you to do the opposite”

        So you’ve finally found an Italian whose intellect you admire? I guess there’s a first time for everything……! Now all I need to do is find out if Machiavelli has some descendants living in Staten Island! Or on the Jersey shore!

        And by the way, JS, maybe your problem with women has something to do with your attitude (possibly overreacting to a few bad experiences with bitchy types.) I honestly don’t see why you’d have a hard time getting a woman. You’re smart, educated, insightful, and have a great sense of humor. Of course you can be arrogant a lot of the time. But some women find that charming in a guy. At any rate, don’t give up. You’re young enough to find someone – you’re not an old fogey like me!

        MaryK

        May 30, 2014 at EDT pm

      • Millennials will become another forgotten generation like Gen X, but Gen X will see a resurgence of their lost fame, given the fact that Gen X will take over when the Boomers disappear and they will show more originality than the Millenials, who are also limping along as they are saddled with student loan debt, and were told by the boomer parents to become slaves to the system.

        Millennials will become a sandwich generation to be ass whipped by the elders, who will also have to worry about their younger brothers and sisters known as Generation Edge – the children of Gen X, who with their astrological planet placements, show highly innovative abilities and non-conformist behaviors, where as the Millennials are quite the opposite. Actually, the prole drifting that Lion was talking about is a return to a baser, rag tagged, more creative side of mankind challenging the status quo, that the Millennials was against, but fell to their demands and wanted to be like them (or what Lion calls upper classes or SWPL class with a lot of status worship). This generation after the Millennials will redefine what is prole and what is SWPL, or maybe destroy these 2 definitions as they don’t mean anything to them.

        The upcoming generation will become non-conformists and trendsetters:

        http://www.slideshare.net/thesound/move-over-millennials-the-next-generation-are-true-social-change-makers

        A comparision between them and the Millennials:

        http://www.slideshare.net/thesound/millennialsvs-genedge

        JS

        May 30, 2014 at EDT pm

      • MaryK – You should read this blog about IAs and Italian culture. It’s a very interesting and you may want to comment on some of his postings and not even come back here anymore.

        http://www.i-italy.org/bloggers/13367/italian-americans-numbers-guido-education-employment-and-italian-american-culture

        The owner, Italian American author – Tom Verso knows more about Guidoness than anyone else on this blog. He also wrote about the underachievement among IAs in higher education (and their lack of eliteness) – the link is provided here, and most important, his blog is really about the disconnect between Italian Americans and the celebrated Italian culture that everybody else talks about. For example, Machiavelli was a Central Italian who lived in Florence, and his legacy with the Italian Renaissance has no connection to most of the IAs whose ancestry hails from the South. Southern Italy was and is always a separate world from the cosmopolitan and sophisticated North. He breaks down the details like Lion does with Elliot Rodger and the events leading to his tragedy.

        I’l be very honest and this will be a big surprise to you, I really don’t like most of the girls who live in Manhattan (with the exception of a few who live in Stuyvesant Town, because most of them are just flaky transplants with no connection to the city and only want to enjoy the high life here). Many of my female friends whom I know and a few I’ve dated in the past come from the suburbs with Italian ancestry. Many of the educated-high prole Italian girls are very attractive, a lot more than many of the SWPL girls who live in Manhattan.

        JS

        May 31, 2014 at EDT am

      • “It’s a very interesting and you may want to comment on some of his postings and not even come back here anymore.”

        Trying to get rid of me? LOL. I think I’ll pass on Mr.Verso’s blog. I’ve dealt with self-loathing IAs before and have no interest in dealing with any more of them. But yes, I do remember that you commented on how you found some high-prole IA woman very beautiful. I hope you were able to see that my post wasn’t intended to make you feel self-conscious. It’s just a shame to see a person with so much to offer remain so cynical about relationships. HBD women aren’t so common in NYC so it will take some work to find one. HBD women have it a bit easier in finding a man, but not by very much.

        MaryK

        May 31, 2014 at EDT pm

  3. defining any illness as a spectrum is “money, money, money,…”

    are there ANY real diseases which have a spectrum?

    regarding the EXPLOSION in diagnoses of ADHD. whether your kid is sick or not, amphetamine will help. amphetamine is a performance enhancing drug for everyone in small doses. just like caffeine, but better.

    jorge videla

    May 28, 2014 at EDT pm

    • “defining any illness as a spectrum is “money, money, money,…”

      are there ANY real diseases which have a spectrum?”

      Um, yeah! Do you know what the word “spectrum” means?

      Ugh…you seriously need a guest blogger for topics like this. You guys are so clueless.

      RBGEORGE

      May 29, 2014 at EDT am

      • so i take it:

        1. there are no real diseases with a spectrum
        2. you don’t know what spectrum means

        jorge videla

        May 29, 2014 at EDT pm

  4. in the end rodger’s ultimate problem was an insistence that the irrational be rational.

    but far from mental illness this is human nature. this is a universal human problem.

    what makes someone attractive (to you)?

    it’s not totally subjective. but it’s not totally objective. BUT IT SEEMS TOTALLY OBJECTIVE.

    the object of one’s desire pops out!

    jorge videla

    May 28, 2014 at EDT pm

  5. Sounds like an extreme case of beta male rage. However that explanation is inadequate, since this level of beta male rage doesn’t seem to have existed in the past. It doesn’t appear that alphas are more aggressive than past times, if anything more pacified. A more adequate explanation would be narcissism, especially considering his family history. Maybe this is what we have to look forward to as a result of the continued Kardashionization of society.

    Josh, Orlando

    May 28, 2014 at EDT pm

    • There’s the sexual-social despair, by there’s also an economic despair. Rodger can’t think of a way to become economically successful. Now, part of that is certainly his unrealistic expectations, but there’s also the reality that a lot of rungs are missing on the economic ladder today. Consider the % of college grads making <$10 per hour at Starbucks, etc.

      Dave Pinsen

      May 29, 2014 at EDT am

      • a lot of rungs are missing on the economic ladder today

        and will be in the us. there will never be a recovery. whereas germany hardly felt the recession in the first place.

        losing two world wars makes you practical and very anti-ideological.

        jorge videla

        May 29, 2014 at EDT pm


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