Women hate, hate, hate beta males
That’s what the blogger Whiskey always says. An article this weekend at Salon, Amazon is killing my sex life, seems to back up Whiskey’s claim.
The point of this article is that Amazon’s location in Seattle and a big hiring surge has resulted in more beta-male STEM types moving to Seattle. Instead of being happy about the increase in men, the women in Seattle are unhappy about it because they are the wrong kind of men.
“I’ve lived in Seattle for seven years, single most of them,” Annie Pardo, a 31-year-old freelance event and communications consultant in Seattle, wrote in an email. “The only thing that has changed is the increase in men I’d never want to go out on a date with.” She added, “Can’t believe they actually strap on those new employee book bags.
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Why were they so awful? What was it about guys who work in tech that made them worse than lawyers or other white-collar industries?
In a way they exhibit some of the same qualities of those professions—ego, arrogance, and unlimited amounts of cash. In San Francisco, said Violet, “There were a lot of men to date with disposable income who wanted to take women out. It’s just, it was so boring,” she said. “My dating life went from dating artists and writers and going on cheap but exciting dates, to men who thought the ability to buy someone an expensive meal made them interesting.”
Women in Seattle have resorted going to gay bars in order to avoid these heterosexual nerdy types. Apparently there aren’t any gay STEM types.
Women (Feminism) created the world they live in, and now they wanna bitch about it.
Some Guy
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
This confirms what I already suspected, and why it was so difficult for Elliot Rodger to see or understand the dynamics at play in the sexual marketplace. Women will never admit to this, but they already have a preconceived, idealized notion on what their future mate should look like.
The chart shows the supply and demand of each race with regards to dating/mating:
http://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/
truthhurts
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
What it means is that Asian men likely know something that the rest of us don’t know lol.
SC
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Asian Men and Black Women are at the very bottom of the mating totem pole. No one wants them. Period. 🙂
The lone advantage Asian men have is they can at least tap into the wide pool of their home countries where their SMV is still high. This of course is only true for first generation Asian immigrants. If they are a second or third generation asian, they really are f***ed !! LOL
wt
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
That’s not true. I see loads of black woman with children. Someone wanted to have sex with them.
Lion of the Blogosphere
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
Lion: they’re also alone which means nobody wanted to be in a relationship with them. Success for women looks like solid committment from a good man. Even hideous women can get some sort of sex.
BurplesonAFB
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
It could be that the male demographic who go to online dating sites aren’t well sought after and resort to Asian women as their choice of females!
Asian women pandering is mostly a beta phenomenon.
JS
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
Black women and Asian men aren’t popular token specimens in the liberal game of interracial relationships.
JS
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
The #1 rule about women is you can never take anything they say at face value. They don’t know themselves. By the way, the reason those amazon employees are wearing something around their necks is because the WOMEN in H.R. mandate it. Jeez.
liver lips
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
I think we can take this at face value.
True Lithuanian
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
The only 2 lucrative industries that are male dominated are Wall St and IT. But of course, one signifies Alpha, and the other beta/omega with women ass whipping them from the HR office.
Seriously, working for others to produce wealth is for chumps in our current economic climate. Not only because of taxation and the high costs of living, but dealing with male sociopaths and feminists can make your job miserable.
JS
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Someone might say that roughnecks make as much or even more money than the average computer programmer.
Lion of the Blogosphere
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
and that australian truck drivers make a quarter million a year. all of these stats are bs.
jorge videla
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
There’s an image of Wall Street as alpha male central, but most of the males who work there are pretty nerdy, not altogether different than what you’d see in Valley tech companies. I used to work at a firm where there were three guys who ran a super-proftiable quant trading strategies. Two white geeky guys and an Asian, all three CS grads from tech schools, about 30 years old. One banner year they were paid out over $25 million each. That was the same year they couldn’t get any single chicks and only a few colleagues and their wives to show up to a New Years party.
I’m to young to have a personal memory, but I get the sense that Wall Street’s alpha male image is a throwback to the 1980s era of excess deal making. Now the minimum math and programming skills required for most jobs on the Street filter out a lot of the jocks. Plus the industry due to various reasons, not least regulatory, is much more risk-adverse. It rewards the nerd grinding out small, but calculated risks over the type-A all-in risk taker.
Doug
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Oil.
cannibal
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Modern women now want men to start rebelling at work and take stupid risk for their own amusement. In the end, they created a monster, and now they want to be absolve of any responsibility for any tragic outcome. Such is life.
truthhurts
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
I wonder why there aren’t any gay STEM types. Steve Sailer has touched on this to some extent but it is still interesting to ponder. Peter Thiel is the closest thing I can think of to the exception that proves the rule.
Jokah Macpherson
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Perhaps because even though nerds are less physically masculine (less muscles) and perhaps less emotionally masculine (less aggressive), they are MORE cognitively masculine (technology IQ higher than social IQ)
pumpkinperson
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
I am gay and work as a contracts manager in IT — not a truly technical position, as most of my time is spent tracking financial data and giving presentations to customers.
I don’t enjoy it, but I didn’t have many other options. I would ideally have liked to been a professor (of Classics) or gone into real estate development (which I am now doing with my brothers, as we have pooled together money over the past five years).
Logan Circle Dreaming
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
There was this British guy named Alan Turing back in the day…
aelrjalxczvad3489
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Good point; surprised I forgot that one.
Jokah Macpherson
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Wasn’t the CEO of Mozilla recently forced out of his position because the many gay and trans developers objected to him?
CamelCaseRob
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
I hired a 39 year old entry level gay programmer. It was my best hire ever, the guy was brilliant. He was a team leader in 3 years.
Yakov
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
huh?
peter thiel is gay?
jorge videla
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
No, no, no. tim cook is, evidenced by the iphone’s appeal to the feminist bunch.
Don Juany
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
There are, but they’re typically gaybro’s (can superficially pass for straight) or feminine-like but in a quiet/bookish/nerdy way, i.e. not the over-the-top flamboyant type.
Another anecdote– Chris Hughes, Facebook cofounder.
anon
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
The faggots are screaming that Alan Turing was gay. So p roud that he ‘cracked the code’ that ‘saved us in WWII.
So according to the fags,Turing is your STEM ‘alpha. LOL
Tina
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Er, there are lots of them. They just happen to prefer San Francisco to most other locations…
DB
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
LTB,
Thanks for posting the link to the “Amazon is killing my sex life” article. Coincidentally I read this one just late last night. What an arrogant c**t. Where do i even start?
* She goes on and on about those supposedly interesting and mysterious French guys who pique her attention so much. Guess what lady, European women are probably more interesting (and skinnier and hotter) than the average bowl of lard a typical american woman is. So who is gonna tell her it goes both ways.
* She misses dating those artsy guys. You know the same type of guys she would spread her leg for before going on to marry someone with an actual well paying job because her hypergamous nature demanded it.
* For every stereotype she throws out for stem nerds working in big tech companies, I got a few about those women who live in Seattle – Portland area. and its not good !! The NYC ball bustin women got nothin on these fat slobs.
Living in Southern California, during my dating years, I don’t recall coming across too many of these self-entitled b***s.
wt
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
She wants it all — the excitement of dating interesting arty types plus the financial stability and security that nerds have. Men want pretty much the same thing. Omegas and betas all expect (or at least want) to get with 7+ women. It’s just human nature.
CamelCaseRob
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
How many of these guys are men the women wouldn’t consider because they’re Indian or Asian?
Normal humans are interested in people, and as careers pick people related stuff like biology or the law. An interest in programming computers and math could itself be considered symptomatic of being on the Aspergers spectrum.
Without a good intuitive grasp of social dynamics, these nerd types take the advice of feminists and the NYT editorial board literally. This makes them even more unattractive. I’m of the belief that Whiskey and others deeply exaggerate the moral depravity of women. But there’s truth to the idea that stem types could be helped by some basic understanding of game. Not every case is salvageable, of course. But I would bet that if any demographic is likely to succeed in self-improvement, it’s those with high IQs and good work ethics.
Hepp
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
some great points, Hepp. Nice post. I will say this, though, if being skilled at/interested in math is a symptom of having mild mental issues, they are issues I wouldn’t mind having!
Rock_Island_Pete
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Many years ago I (a female) was at university studying a science that involved the outdoors. The class was mostly men. I was a bit messed up and didn’t really know what I wanted to do. By my second year of university I had never had a boyfriend and was a virgin. Then I got a boyfriend but we broke up after a few months and I was sort of depressed. I was very shy. Anyway, my mother, who was rather eccentric, bought be a book by Helen Gurly Brown called “Sex and the Single Girl”. I started going to some parties (put on by the university or department so anyone could go) and dressing in a sexier way (before this I had worn stuff like long plaid skirts and baggy chashmere sweaters. ) I started getting a lot of attention and sleeping around but it wasn’t good. People made a joke out of me. Finally one guy told me to stop dressing so weird (low cut tops, etc) and to just dress normally. (my mother had actually been encouraging me to dress slutty–like I say, she was weird)
So that is what I did. I started wearing jeans and t-shirts like everyone else and stopped dressing and acting like a slut. At the start of the 3rd year I met a really nice guy who was also in the same program as me. He was friendly but didn’t seem too interested in me (I later learned he was going out with someone else). At that point I decided to switch into computer science. (it must have been early enough in the semester to switch) and I talked to an advisor and got a new course list. So I walked into my first computer science class and stopped short. Everyone in the class is Chinese! Well, I’m sure they weren’t all Chinese. But that was my impression. I was shocked. This was in the mid seventies, right around the time immigration to the West from China and India was picking up. I had never seen so many Chinese people in one place.. I don’t think I even sat down. Acting purely on instinct I just turned around and walked out, abandoning my plans to switch my major (even though I had very high math marks and would, as I found out years later, be rather good at programming).
Back in my outdoor-science major, I eventually started going out with the nice guy I had met at the beginning of 3rd year. Long story short…we have been married for more than thirty years and have kids and grandkids now. Eventually I went back to university and got degrees in math, taking a lot of computer science classes and did very well.
The reason I wrote all this out is because when I saw the headline about women hating beta males, my first thought was that this is nonsense. My husband probably is a beta male. But then I remembered that class full of Chinese computer programming students and realized he probably wasn’t quite as beta as them.
Name withheld
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Lol, thanks for that story. It’s funny because, as a man, I had the opposite experience. I never was very good with women in the midwest, but then moved to a part of the country with a lot of Asian girls, and have been amazed at what success I’ve had. And I found them incredibly attractive. In the mid-west, I could get black girls, but wasn’t interested.
I don’t know if you’ve ever read Sailer’s article on interracial dating, but HBD dynamics are extremly real and important in all areas of life. The only people who acknowledge this is blogs like this one.
http://www.isteve.com/islovecolorblind.htm
Hepp
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
You call your mother “eccentric” but she sounds rather horrible, to be honest. I hope you’ve done better for your daughters than she did for you.
What did your father say?
Newdist
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
An interest in programming computers and math could itself be considered symptomatic of being on the Aspergers spectrum.
or saying such a thing “could itself be considered symptomatic of being on the Aspergers spectrum.”
the math majors i knew weren’t weird at all. but then milton friedman said the math people at princeton were the weirdest he’d ever met.
jorge videla
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Do you consider yourself to be an alpha or a beta male?
That goes for the others on here – alpha? beta? omega?
Omega dorks like Whiskey seem to think of themselves as beta and claim thats why they are still virgins or why they are hated by women.
The woman in the article might not like these tech nerds but that doesn’t mean she goes for so called alphas.
My guess is she mainly goes for weaselly artist wannabe types.
Rifleman
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
We don’t really know much about Whiskey other than he likes to drink whiskey and watches a lot of TV and movies and used to be a teacher. I suspect he is a 50-something married guy with children — maybe even some grandchildren.
CamelCaseRob
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Oh, and he knows a lot about comic books. He’s got the taste of a 14 year in all of those things — TV, movies, and comic books — just as does Steve Sailer, apparently.
CamelCaseRob
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Are you implying that Whiskey is Steve Sailer’s “sock puppet”?
Sailer is very tolerant of him despite his Soldini/Rogers type attitudes.
Rifleman
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
No, I don’t think Whiskey is Steve. I was just reading Steve’s review of X-men and thinking how juvenile his tastes were.
CamelCaseRob
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
I cleaned up with a certain type of chick …. arty types. Had my first kiss at 13. HS was miserable bc I missed so many ioi. Did fine in college. Intermittent after.
Had I done red pill I would have done far better. Since I know a lot about art with the arty girls I was Alpha, did well. Had a LOT of married women interest which is annoying … don’t play that way.
Not married. No kids. You tell me alpha or beta.
whiskeysplace
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
I’m an omega who is good at faking certain aspects of betaness and alphaness.
bobo
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
This sounds like one of those made-up stories along the lines of men getting into beauty products a few years ago. All hype.
Seattle is ringed by middle class and prole suburbs. There are tons of men who have nothing in common with Amazon nerds living in these cities. All she needs is a bus ticket or a car and 1/2 hr to spare traveling. This idea that Amazon alone is changing the nature of the town is absurd. The city is changing because it is popular with young white kids from families with money (much like Portland) in part because it is a safe city.
The communities of Ballard and Fremont are filled with the kind of layabout band members she professes to love. Perhaps her real problem is that she’s 31.
Curle
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Well.. her ‘daily beast’ photo is the same one that’s been on her website for over 4 years (though god only knows when it was taken).
Must be because some dork in IT just took the photo off the site when she was being set up. I’m sure she’s not worried about the downhill slide at all.
Paul Rain
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
“The city is changing because it is popular with young white kids from families with money (much like Portland) in part because it is a safe city.”
Portland overall is far whiter and feels much safer than Seattle. When I first visited, I was amazed at how many blacks live in Seattle (I thought it’d be similar to Portland), and you see them almost everywhere you go, unlike Portland where they’re mostly in the scuzziest parts of North and Northeast.
sciences with lisps
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
The black population of Portland is 6.3% and in Seattle 7.9% and falling. The former residents of the Central District in Seattle are now moving south to places like Federal Way. Seattle is becoming more white, Asian, young and single. Prices for apartments and homes are going up driving the young families and the poor (including the miscreants) elsewhere where, paradoxically, the property tax base needed to support schools and law enforcement is lower. Apt. building owners in Seattle over the last seven years have done well.
Curle
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
I don’t think you read far enough. She’s complaining about brogrammers who are like alpha wannabes who practice game.
Derk7
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Ha, the photo accompanying that article is great — Jeff Bezos looks like a demented muppet villain.
One thing the New York Times occasionally does well, in its Lifestyle and Fashion sections, is to subtly mock the pretensions of those profiled. You come away thinking What a thoroughly unpleasant person — I don’t need to mention that the writers of these pieces are invariably men (often gay).
However, this piece….is it really possible to be so completely lacking in self-awareness? The line I have a master’s from Berkeley in philosophy almost seems like something a naughty copy-editor would sneak in.
Logan Circle Dreaming
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
“I don’t think he asked me a single question about myself”
It’s all about her. Of course… The two most frequently used words in women’s vocabulary are I and me.
Vegan cat lady
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
That’s hilariously ridiculous. While it is true that STEM nerds have limited interests, you can’t accuse them of lacking abstract thinking skills.
While many professional philosophers are highly intelligent abstract thinkers, a lot of philosophy students are book smart literalists. Many of them think they can win an argument by reciting a half remembered wisdom from Kant or Aristotle. And they usually feel really smug about it. She probably belongs to the pomo camp that thinks that “literal” and “abstract” mean whatever you feel like anyway.
Contrarian
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Modern philosophy is liberal garbage. More importantly there’s little remaining room to add to the topic even for the intellectually serious. 17th and 18th century philosophy is arguably little more than rearanging ideas that were established by ancient Greece and early Christian thinkers. After Aristotle, Augustine, etc, what more is there to say about philosophy?
The Undiscovered Jew
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
well apparently you’ve never read the german idealists, marx, or heidegger.
but…genuine philosophers are exceedingly rare.
jorge videla
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
The Enlightenment philosophers were instrumental in turning people away from monarchies, justifying property rights, ending slavery, justifying the individual’s right to seek his own happiness, secularizing the state, and even coming up with the three branches of government.
More recently, Karl Popper had interesting things to say about scientific knowledge. Besides him, ignore the Continentals. The blood of millions of people rest in their hands, as well as a lot of stupidity in academia today.
BehindTheLines
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
The end of high brow philosophy started after the end of the 16th century. It ended with Leibniz.
JS
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Philosophy is dry, technical and boring to the average layman.
Reading Hegel or Heidegger isn’t the same as reading Spinoza or Leibniz. It’s pure liberal sensationalism, which is why many women are found in modern philosophy groups than in medieval or ancient ones.
JS
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
My clarification is to say that there are more women in modern philosophy discussion groups than anything earlier than that.
JS
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
The blood of millions of people rest in their hands
you’re “like totally” over-estimating the importance and influence of philosophers on the real world.
and btw, popper knew absolutely nothing about hegel.
jorge videla
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
well apparently you’ve never read the german idealists, marx, or heidegger.
Marxism is Hegelian historicism mixed with revolutionary socialism. The word Communism is derived from the communes of the French Revolution. There’s precious good philosophical thought that isn’t a rewording of that from ancient Greece, early Christianity, and the beginning of the Enlightenment. Even Enlightenment thought is arguably Christianity without Christ.
The Undiscovered Jew
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
surprising to hear that from tuj.
but how could it be otherwise? from boethius to descartes no one had thought? really?
jorge videla
June 5, 2014 at EDT pm
genuine “hard-core” philosophy is actually quite hard compared to stem, pace the NOT well-rounded stem nerds.
jorge videla
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Flee to Portland, Annie.
Glengarry
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Whiskey is generally a compass that points south – reliably wrong on everything (apparently he’s got an extensive knowledge of comic books, however).
Greg Cochran famously called him a pinhead.
He’s part right about this – women don’t like nerdy guys (he then goes off the deep end and claims that they all love blacks and Mexicans).
Steve Johnson
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
and i not famously called greg cochran a pinhead.
the hereditists are right about microcephaly. it IS genetic.
jorge videla
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
So who cares? Cochran is as wrong on thing … bluevpill white knight as he is right. No women don’t loveBlacks and Mexcans. They live statusvwhoring and cheap immigrant labor. And no one has disproved Kanazawas study either.
whiskeysplace
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
Or what I was saying about San Francisco, which was done by purpose by very smart – alpha CEOs who understand the social dynamics between the genders. Having a large contingent of beautiful women in San Francisco wouldn’t be conducive for value transference scheming and beta nerd productivity. The same goes for Amazon up in Seattle. This displacement of women in Seattle is actually a good thing, as attractive women are a distraction for lower tier men in the socio-sexual totem pole, who would otherwise be like Elliot and not focused on their work, leading to poor productivity for their value transference predatory masters.
Could you imagine Silicon Valley establishing a large regional industry in South Florida, where IT is the main industry and the local women are only interested in alpha frat boy types, who make good – smooth talkers but not great programmers?
JS
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
key west is straight man heaven. it’s supply and demand. the straight women outnumber the straight men by 2 to 1 at least.
jorge videla
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Women in Key West only want handsome frat brahs with alphaness testosterone, Supply doesn’t mean every man is there to take!
JS
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
You implied it on a post a while back (can’t remember which entry, sorry), which you basically stated that girls in high school cast the smaller, nerdier kids aside and fixate on the jocks and truants, and then, as adults, they wonder why nerdy men have poor social skills.
markus
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
btw those weren’t your exact words, but somewhere along that line
markus
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
I think I wrote that in regards to some feminist type complaining about a joke that was in poor taste made by one of the nerdy speakers.
Lion of the Blogosphere
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
and then, as adults, they wonder why nerdy men have poor social skills.
very astute. social skills can only be acquired through experience. no experience no skills.
jorge videla
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
“I am a smart woman. I have a master’s from Berkeley in philosophy”
Which signals that you’re probably deep in debt and you value fun over results. Fair enough. However, a smart man wouldn’t waste his time with you for much more than a play thing. You’re obviously not ltr material.
Vegan cat lady
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Indeed. Furthermore, this paragraph is pretty interesting:
The author’s aging out and still jonesing for her wild days. Her preferences include musicians, perverts, drugs, and sexual fetishes. She might be a former lesbian and/or fag hag herself, given her disdain for the straight white. Sounds sort of sleazy, and if she’s nostalgic for the 90s, she might furthermore easily be 40+, well past the due date. I wouldn’t presume to estimate her N. Glengarry will salute a life lived, er, intensely, and pass on the LTR. Maybe she can find an ambiguous hippie survivor.
Finally, note that her use of “people of color” appears to implicitly exclude asians of various sorts, so there we may have the progressive synonym of NAM.
Glengarry
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
That’s a good point, I am sure that the Amazon technical departments have lots of people of color working there, but all of them Indians and East Asians.
Lion of the Blogosphere
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
You brought up a good point.
SWPLs want high IQ Asians to do their bidding, especially the TOOS such as Jeff Bezos. Without them, he wouldn’t be as wealthy and Amazon wouldn’t do as well.
Notice all the corporate companies with high IQ Asian workers have the highest stock prices, such as Google, Amazon and Apple.
Any corporate company with a large contingent of NAM and prole workers wouldn’t be as high end and efficient. Their stock prices are also lower.
JS
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
I would assume the Indian workers at Apple, Amazon and Google are a smarter breed than those of Microsoft, just by judging on their stock prices. Bill Gates, who is a college dropout and more liberal than Steve Jobs doesn’t understand this principle of getting the best workers.
JS
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
but what is “serious” really.
isabelle still lusted after larry darrell.
jorge videla
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
I’d hardly call Salon an authoritative source on anything.
Although if the writer’s account of her date, at the beginning of the article, is true, you can hardly blame her for her lack of interest. The tech guy did little except talk about his job (in terms incomprehensible to non-tech people) for most of the date.
Peter
ironrailsironweights
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Talking about oneself all the time is not just limited to nerds; kewl kids can do it too. I was in Starbucks a few months ago studying when a couple sat down right behind me where I could clearly hear everything they were saying. From their conversation I was able to determine that it was a first date resulting from a cold approach. The girl was an extremely cute university freshman and the guy looked like he could be the 4th Jonas brother (over-the-top trendy clothing, hair).
Anyways, the guy proceeds to do 95% of the talking for the next hour, all about himself, spouting every imaginable uninteresting cliche, “I’m spiritual but not religious; I really love to travel; etc.” but he seemingly has no skill at drawing the girl into the conversation and making it a give and take rather than a monologue. I kept thinking that if I were the girl (yeah, women think differently, so I could be wrong) I would be bored out of my mind. The girl was pleasant the whole time but she sounded a bit overwhelmed and disappointed by the end and neither made the suggestion they should meet again.
On the other hand, this dude was still able to approach and get a date, so by the law of averages he’s still doing better than the men who can’t handle that step.
Jokah Macpherson
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
“I kept thinking that if I were the girl (yeah, women think differently, so I could be wrong) I would be bored out of my mind.”
I’ve known more than one woman who said she’d prefer that a man blather on and on about stuff that bores her or that she doesn’t actually understand than sit in silence. I also know a judge who tells long, boring stories and who almost never lets anyone else talk, yet all the women who work with him think he’s wonderful — he’s the universal favorite judge among the women. So yeah, they do “think” differently, that’s for sure. Maybe talking at length without considering a woman’s feelings is a sign of dominance; and women certainly love dominance in a man.
sciences with lisps
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Women hate Asians almost as much as we hate Blacks.
Chelsea
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Why do you hate us?
Random Black Guy
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Check youtube.com/valtharion under “planet of the apes” for some reasons. rip.
Don Juany
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
The Columbia Interracial Dating Experiment proved that Asian men are the least desired of the male species even among a very strong intellectual – nerd environment such as an Ivy League setting.
Nerdiness might not be the main symptomatic issue at heart, as to why women dislike beta men and equate betaness with nerdom. It’s mostly a racial thing where these 2 demographic of men are seen as the least sexy in the eyes of women.
JS
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Part of the reason women don’t like these nerds is because the nerds don’t like them. Women are used to men in bars approaching them, but the nerds will just keep to themselves. Not because nerds are gay (thery’re straight as all hell) and not because of social anxiety (though that’s a nerd trait), but because they’re more interested in their computer games and comic books and science discussions than they are in some aging liberal arts major who doesn’t understand calculus. Nothing infuriates women more than men who ignore them.
pumpkinperson
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
I see lots of prole white women with blacks.
xvo
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Seems like alpha brown men do better with White women than blacks and Asians.
JS
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
I don’t know any whites who hate blacks — they just don’t want anything to do with them. But blacks are certainly taught to hate whites, taught that whites are the root of all black problems.
sciences with lisps
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
This is absolutely true. To whites who’ve neverreally been around blacks and say retarded things like “one of my best friends is black” the worst thing you can be is racist. But the worst thing a black can be is an “uncle tom”. In other words, the worst thing a black can be is not racist enough. Clueless whites don’t really get that because they’ve never really experienced authentic blackness.
destructure
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
Even the most beta White men wouldn’t fall into the category of the general beta Asians.
A random picture such as this, dictates why Asian men are not well sought after:
JS
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
How so you know the tall blonde girl isn’t lusting after the two Asian guys?
Lion of the Blogosphere
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
If you control for height, much of the so called betaness you ascribe to Asian men probably vanishes.
pumpkinperson
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
For most beta males there is someone obtainable. For instance, Japanese and Chinese beta males have few problems landing a pretty Filipina.
Curle
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
Women love to play the victim.
rivsdiary
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
They are truly the victims of this cruel world, according to feminist extremist doctrine.
truthhurts
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
In that article, there was a comparison between Gen X geeks of the 90s with their dot.com boom and the boring, millennial nerds of today with of a similar endeavor of making money, but who are a lot more bland, less diverse, and less counterculture. Women dislike men who come across as boring conformists, which is very typical of millennial guys, who also lack a tinge of rebelliousness and indifference to the status quo, making them true-blue betas all around.
JS
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Generational decline in testosterone levels observed
http://www.healio.com/endocrinology/hormone-therapy/news/print/endocrine-today/%7Bac23497d-f1ed-4278-bbd2-92bb1e552e3a%7D/generational-decline-in-testosterone-levels-observed
“During the past two decades, testosterone levels in American men have rapidly declined.”
They didn’t test young guys but I wouldn’t be surprised if whatever is causing the decline observed in the 45+ y.o. population wouldn’t also affect the young guys too. Also, being raised by a low testosterone beta father can’t be a good thing for your own testosterone production
Martin
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
Lol, “the kind of talk that makes a vagina close up”. What an insufferable woman, I guess she was angry that the men were talking about themselves instead of about her, and that they had more money than her too. Maybe instead of bringing Amazon nerds they should bring a hockey team or an army base there would be a lot of hot bad boys around.
Dumbo
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
[…] the Lion of the Blogosphere blogged about how women supposedly hate men who work in STEM occupations (science, technology, engineering math). […]
Why women hate nerdy men | Brain Size
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
I think there are actually 4 points to be made here.
Point 1: Women hate betas.
Point 2: Women feel entitled to alpha men the same way Elliot felt entitled to hot babes.
Point 3: Women not only find STEM fields boring they also find men in STEM fields boring.
Point 4: Cosmopolitan cities in general and the left coast in particular tends to attract liberal (read ‘effeminate’) men.
That last one wasn’t mentioned per se but it’s true and relevant.
destructure
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
The saying women hate betas seems kind of circular to me. What’s a beta? A man who women hate.
pumpkinperson
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
I think alpha has at least as much to do with how a man compares relative to other eligible men. Even in an all male environment such as the military or prison you’d have alphas and betas. Often, how popular and respected a man is among other men determines his level of attraction among women. That’s part of why men compete so hard against other men.
destructure
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
Point 4: It’s not exactly cut and dried. NYC seems to attract alpha men in Finance and Law.
And the women in NYC wouldn’t find guys in Southern California alpha. You’re not Alpha in NYC unless your income hits the six figure jackpot.
JS
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Six figures or six zeroes?
anon
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
NYT, 05/31/14: Middle-Class Lament: Rent. Middle Class Finds Few Affordable Manhattan Apartments
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/01/realestate/middle-class-finds-few-affordable-manhattan-apartments.html?rref=todayspaper&module=Ribbon&version=origin®ion=Header&action=click&contentCollection=Today%E2%80%99s%20Paper&pgtype=article
Good pics of three late 20s-30 women that recently relocated from FL to Manhattan to work in sales and “change their lives.” Their LinkedIn photos look considerably younger and slimmer than their recent NYT photo. Unimpressive degrees from unimpressive colleges. These three “Sex in the City” chicks surely hate, hate, hate beta males.
…Three 20-somethings from Florida who moved in January to a 900-square-foot apartment on East 39th Street can speak firsthand about how difficult it can be to establish a toehold in this landscape. The three are Cecillia Costa, Dana Bakich and Danielle Dormand. All have full-time jobs in sales, and Ms. Dormand moonlights as a cocktail waitress several evenings a week. Their combined annual salaries come to just under $150,000.
In January, their broker, Dan Falconetti of Citi Habitats, found them a two-bedroom with a view of the East River and a balcony Ms. Costa liked so much that she put a picture of it on her Facebook page. A temporary wall allowed them to carve a third bedroom out of the living room. Their total monthly rent is $4,100.
Like so many newcomers, the three were drawn by the city’s sense of promise and possibility, a chance to reinvent themselves and reinvigorate their lives.
The roommates put up a temporary wall in the living room to create a third bedroom.
“I wanted something new and different,” Ms. Bakich said. “I wanted to go bigger. I didn’t have a job, but I’d saved, and I figured I’d just make it work — no ifs, ands or buts.”
Ms. Costa put it another way: “I moved here to change my life.”
To save on groceries, they take advantage of perks like free yogurt and cereal available in their offices.
“And movies are so expensive,” Ms. Bakich said, “I’ve been only a few times since I arrived in the city a year and a half ago, even though I used to go all the time.”
For women used to balmy weather year-round, big-ticket wardrobe items like boots and winter coats are prohibitive. “I haven’t bought a single article of clothing since January,” Ms. Costa said. “I haven’t even gone into a store. You can’t.”
Furnishing the apartment also proved daunting. “We bought one thing per paycheck,” Ms. Costa said. “I had no lamp in my bedroom for two weeks.” Two weeks ago they bought a toaster.
“And nails, eyebrows — they’ve gone out the window,” Ms. Dormand said. “I use box hair dye. I eat dollar pizza, and I’ve learned to like it. Broke in Florida isn’t like broke here. Here, $40 gets you nowhere, not even out of the house.”
Finances are such a constant worry that until recently, when she stopped working on commission, she dreaded opening her paycheck on Fridays.
Yet all three are, at least for now, willing to make the sacrifices necessary to buy themselves a Manhattan lifestyle.
“I feel very proud of myself, and everyone is proud of me,” Ms. Dormand said. “I didn’t just move away, I moved to Manhattan.” She is even proud to write her address: New York, New York.
E. Rekshun
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
We need to revitalize prole areas such as the Midwest.
You know what happens when real estate becomes too cheap – too many NAM undesirables will start moving in. It’s a catch-22.
Better yet, convince SWPL families to move in with Proles. It can’t be that bad!
JS
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Someone gotta explain this to me sometime. I frankly don’t get this fascination with living in Manhattan (or just New York in general). Now, don’t get me wrong. I loved visiting there, saw the sights, enjoyed my stay but definitely wouldn’t wanna live there full time.
First of all its so expensive. How many years would you have to live here to own your own home. Not a condo, a home with a big yard.
Second of all, I hate public transport. Its cool and fun when I am a tourist. But taking a public bus or metro everywhere because one cant find decent parking in the entire city is bound to drive most people crazy. People who live in west coast in suburbs will understand what I am saying.
Don’t let me even start about the weather !!
Now if everyone was making 200K+ salary, I would be willing to ignore most of the negatives. I haven’t checked employment stats in NYC but I am just guessing that not everyone is making the big bucks or an immediate promise that they will arrive at that figure within say 5-10 years. So for them, what is the charm in living in NYC.
wt
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
“I hate public transport. Its cool and fun when I am a tourist. But taking a public bus or metro everywhere because one cant find decent parking in the entire city is bound to drive most people crazy.”
For someone who can’t drive, trying to live in the suburbs would be infinitely more crazy-inducing than for a driver to give up their car to live in the city.
Kyo
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
It’s amazing how human psychology changes overnight as NYC becomes the safest big city in America.
The same liberal diatribe who complains about NAM displacement, now complains about not being able to enjoy the city because of it.
JS
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
Claiming you’re smart because you went and got a philosophy degree is always good for a laugh. Thank you for pointing this article out to me and bringing a smile to my face. Women kind of want it all. They all want the charming, handsome and rich guy. In real life the rich guy is old and ugly or a boring nerd, the handsome guy is an obnoxious jerk, and the charming guy is unemployed. For every female who complains about rich guys being boring, there’s another one dating a good looking charmer who complains about him cheating on her, getting drunk all the time, or not being able to hold a job. I wouldn’t see women complaining about boring nerds as a problem except many don’t have a clue that it’s the boring nerds who provide them with a high standard of living. There are no boring nerds in Africa or central Detroit. Many of these women would eagerly run out and vote for idiotic liberals who would quickly turn the U.S. into something like the two previously mentioned locations. As someone who enjoys living in a first world nation, I’ve always considered women like this to be a threat to the continuance of that.
Mark
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
A succinct, nearly comprehensive statement of the problem. I haven’t heard a woman yet criticize outsourcing, save Ann Coulter, who I can’t get hard for no matter how much I try.
liver lips
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Women shouldn’t be allowed to vote — they don’t value freedom and they want to be taken care of, and they don’t care whether it’s their husband, dad, or Uncle Samantha who takes care of them. Neither should non-landowners. Voting should be for successful people, not for mediocrities or security-seeking women.
sciences with lisps
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
See my comment below, Mark. In my experience in the US philosophy majors are two types, hobbyists like this misguided woman, and very smart people.
rob
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
except perhaps paradoxically NO ANGLO-AMERICAN PHILOSOPHER OF THE LAST 100 YEARS was not an IDIOT.
jorge videla
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
Despite very carefully never mentioning race, after reading between the lines her topic is clearly Asian men.
She gives the game away when she writes how techies were somehow hipper in the 90s than today. The most obvious social difference between the Silicon Valley workforce of two decades was how much whiter it was than now. Unless the SMV today’s white brogrammers is now lower than back then, the only change in Silicon Valley’s dating market has been the expansion of Asian males. There are still cool white male programmers who play instruments, surf, and enjoy healthy social lives on the West Coast. But their proportion has shrunk.
But at least she can take satisfaction in racial diversity.
The Undiscovered Jew
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
TUJ – You hit the mark brah!
White males in IT are also no longer seen as cool because most of them haven’t created anything alternative or original, that you find in the 90s counterculture. It was basically a Gen X thing back then, where guys felt that by being different and deviating from the mainstream was a cool thing. Gen X was about being different, unlike the Millennials who are very much conformist and being ingrained with the establishment because they were ingrained by their boomer parents to become slaves of the status quo. Forming a dot.com back in the day was about generating self made wealth regardless of the corporate titan elites, unlike today where startups are all about Yahoo or Google giving them a heads up to cash in for millions.
And the fact that IT is now pretty much as Asian thing has a lot do with it as well!
JS
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
after reading between the lines her topic is clearly Asian men.
I dunno man, she says they all “seem to be bearded”. I’ve never seen a bearded Asian dude.
Samson J.
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Many Millennial guys are boring toads, who show very little originality and rebelliousness that makes them attractive to women, which in essence is a form of betaness.
JS
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
Maybe Annie Pardo should move to Manhattan like the three FL chicks above. Pardo, hhhmmm, or better yet, Staten Island; I understand that there are lots of guidos there.
E. Rekshun
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Why would Amazon be a magnet for STEM types? Yes, they have a website that needs to be maintained, but they’re a warehouse distributor, not a software developer or something.
Brendan
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Amazon surely does have a huge IT department. And Amazon most certainly is a software developer, they do Amazon Prime streaming, Kindle, and of course their website. I am sure it’s a big operation that employees lots of nerdy IT people.
Lion of the Blogosphere
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Ever hear of Amazon Web Services? It’s one of the largest IT environments in the world and it’s rattling the foundations of IBM, HP, EMC etc. because instead of paying premium prices for brand name servers, storage, etc., Amazon buys commodity hardware they have custom built, and they do everything else themselves.
Amazon dot com changed shopping. Amazon Web Services is overthrowing the established IT order. It’s got over 2,000 employees and does over $3 billion a year in business and is growing like wildfire.
peterike
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Yep, so much of IT is moving cloud based – IAAS, PAAS, SAAS. Amazon Web Services is going have a big slice of that cake.
wt
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
“I often hear women say they either date A-holes or nerds—or if they’re really lucky, both in one…”
As The Last Psychiatrist might say: These are the kinds of men that you attract; what does that say about you?
Jokah Macpherson
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Amazon has added over 15,000 jobs in the last several years, Salon is right aboit that, but they’re certainly not all inSeattle. Most are at distribution centers around the country.
Peter
ironrailsironweights
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
15,000 hires across the country. Some of those would be fit, good looking UPS types who work Amazon’s warehouses. Under close examination her complaints ring insincere.
The Undiscovered Jew
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Amazon warehouse workers live in near poverty and are in constant fear of losing their job. Can’t be great for their “SMV”.
Ryan_Clark
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
Looks to me like the applied philosophers of programming, probably, rightly believe she’s a blithering idiot.
http://philosophy.berkeley.edu/courses/term/48 The Philosophy Department looks like it produces the usual anti-reason soft-philosophy numbskulls. No advanced hard-philosophy courses beyond Logic I, but precious seminars on Foucault and Marx. They think Rousseau, Raz and Rawls are the latest word in law ( Raz teaches it’s arbitrary, a legal positivist).
Two kinds of people graduate out of philosophy schools: The wannabee ‘hobby philosophers’ looking to justify their prejudices or maybe deepen a little bit in a 30-credit major, and the cool-kid hard-nosed Aristotelians with additional majors and super-High IQ’s.
She’s the first.
rob
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
rob…i’m sorry to break it to you but analytic/anglo-american philosophy is EASY “philosophy”.
i was a math major and i was thinking of taking a course in modal logic. my advisor told me this would be regarded as milquetoast by mathematicians.
analytic-philosophy = pseudophilosophy by people too dumb to be mathematicians or scientists.
late 20th c french philosophy is all bs, but marx and heiddegger and the german idealists are the “real deal”.
jorge videla
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
No, Kant and Wittgenstein are the real deal.
CamelCaseRob
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
wittgenstein said nothing you can’t learn by reading the introduction to a doctionary.
he’s the biggest fraud there is.
jorge videla
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
Uh-huh. Reads like you went to a lousy philosophy department too, while too busy romancing ‘real deal’ totalitarian nitwits. Not to mention the mathematical ignoramus advising you.
No wonder you make logic mistakes.
rob
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
i never went to a philosophy department.
all one has to do is read anglo-american philosophy of the last 100 years to see that it’s all by nitwits.
anglo-american philosophy = EASIEST SUBJECT IN SCHOOL.
jorge videla
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
wittgenstein is the best example of nitwits getting together and shutting out all the non-nitwits there is.
wittgenstein = adolescent pseudo-philosopher.
EVERY insight he had, so far as he had ANY, i had had by age 13.
jorge videla
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
I took an Intro to philosophy course in college where Aristotle wasn’t mentioned even once. It was all French existentialists like Sartre and Camus. I should have guessed it would be something like that the first day of class when the teacher walked in wearing a trench coat and beret.
Mark
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Modern philosophy is liberal sensationalism. Anything beyond Leibniz becomes a topic for idiots and women who love drama and irrationality.
Trying studying Medieval Logic and Metaphysics, it’s like a STEM course for most people.
JS
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
that’s right. the schoolmen were hardcore.
gilson explains in his The Spirit of Medieval Philosophy that there was no distinction between theology and philosophy in the middle ages.
so the anglo-american/analytic retards simply dismiss every thinker between Boethius and Descartes, because they’re all tainted by religion.
but then again “dunce” originally meant a follower of duns scotus. he was a scotsman after all.
jorge videla
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
>>> it was the kind of talk that shuts vaginas down cold.
From the mouth of babes.
Daniel
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Shouldn’t she be less concerned about hooking up with a sexually exciting artist and more concerned with finding a good husband? She’s in her thirties, not in her college years.
Also, I do think some women dismiss tech guys because those women know they can’t do tech. They don’t want to be with a guy who has a mental ability they themselves lack. They say tech is boring, but partly that’s just to cover for a lack of ability.
steve@steve.com
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Indeed, boring is nowadays becoming synonymous with “I don’t understand this!”
markus
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Get a load of this.
>>With the advent of programming as a mainstream career, the nerdy, awkward programmer ….. has been supplanted by cocky, arrogant guys who, in another life, would go into finance…
No. Finance people NEVER consider software as an alternative.
Daniel
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
This is what the feminism movement is all about for the uninformed:
sbpartyscene on a average day, NSFW.
A quickie for ER would’ve sufficed and averted an awful tragedy. /s
Lion, mainstream media won’t ever have the balls to write about the real issues, thanks for addressing them.
Don Juany
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
This is what I missed in my early twenties because I worked full-time and studied in the evenings? Apparently, I didn’t miss much.
sciences with lisps
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
When an indebted liberal female makes sure to point out how “educated” she is, ^ that is what she really means. She went to college to party and like read books and stuff. These types of women are great sex toy material, but not worthy relationship material.
sometimes life is a prank
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
That’s why being a college professor and living in a college town is the best thing that can happen to you. College girls are like swarm of bees, naive, wholesome and the most attractive for their age.
Guys likes James Franco is one helluva smart dude. You can’t get more p*ssy anywhere else than being a good looking dude and a college professor, not even a Hollywood actor on the set. He probably realized this before I did.
And James Franco is one of those alpha guys who hops on the creative career carousel like he does with women.
Tell girls that you have a lot money, and their eyes sparkle.
Tell girls that you are an actor, director, screenwriter, poet, painter and a professor. That’s more p*ssy money can buy!
JS
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
That video makes me much less sad about being a virgin.
Josh
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
You don’t have to stay one unless you’ve committed to the one woman for life thing (nothing against that). If you haven’t, then focus on the gals who aren’t the stunners. And remember, chubby girls are down for it generally. Most guys get all sad not because they can’t get a girl but because they can’t get the girl of their dreams. Drop your standards and you’ll have all kinds of fun. And, lots of guys do it. Even the alphas that you imagine only do hot girls. There should be a reality show about the secret life of chubby girls. It is way more active than you’d think.
Curle
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
Being hated by a bitch like that makes being a beta a lot more appealing. I’m not surprised she’s still single.
“even though I experienced a lot of them as having a very limited view of the world.”
Hope I’m not repeating myself here, but I had to take four years of humanities electives. In that time I never, once, came across a humanities major in any class I took in the College of Engineering. I can’t tell you how sick I get of people like, well, philosophy majors, going on about the limited worldview/well rounded nonsense.
The only redeeming feature I see in this woman is her taste for artists and musicians (technically artists themselves), not because that’s a positive in itself, but because it’s a bright red flashing warning light that the woman you’re talking to is, like a ’57 Chevy, used, with a lot of undesirable wear and tear.
J1
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Can you blame a BA student for avoiding Engineering? Why potentially wreck your GPA when Geology or Food Science will fulfill the science requirements just as easily? Besides, I sincerely doubt the Engineering Department wants precious classroom seats occupied by English Lit majors who treat it as “one and done.”
Brendan
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Exactly. Why would a humanities major take any engineering classes (unless he/she was actually one of the few who realizes there is a world beyond Junk Sculpture and Theatre of the Absurd)? Back in the day, my school did NOT (emphasis added) offer a BA degree or have humanities/liberal arts majors at all. I considered that a plus.
Michael
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
One but never done.
Glengarry
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
Back in the day graduate schools, at least some law schools, used to tip the scale in favor of students who took difficult courses. They knew about pad classes and disfavored them.
Curle
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
“Can you blame a BA student for avoiding Engineering?”
No. I blame a BA student for telling me I don’t have a “well rounded” education when mine is a hell of a lot more “rounded” than theirs is.
“Since I am not in the tech industry, I don’t understand any of it.”
“I experienced a lot of them as having a very limited view of the world.”
These women belong in an asylum for the irony impaired, not a singles bar.
J1
June 3, 2014 at EDT pm
well good for her! at least she’s not a gold digger.
even though my mom married up she told me once my dad was the first man she’d dated who wasn’t stupid…wh had anything to say that wasn’t about baseball.
jorge videla
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Given the story and your posts one might infer the hereditary trait for ‘talking about things other than baseball’ was passed on. Changing your mind about hereditarianism?
Curle
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
my dad is a retard.
jorge videla
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
Take same article. Change men to women and complain about weight. See what happens.
ASF
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
It would be called “misogynistic.”
Lion of the Blogosphere
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Exactly.
ASF
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Endless whining to media outlets about why women’s rights are being disenfranchised by the MAN. I rather watch mold grow.
truthhurts
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
If women rejected betas as much as this blog says, the USA would have less than half of its 300 million population. CEOs, IBs and biglawyers are too few in numbers to father so many children.
And, as far as I remember, it is not the custom in the 21st century for a CEO to bear 300 children and leave the other men celibate, like some sultans.
Brazilian
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
If children born to unmarried mothers didn’t exist, and there was no immigration, the population would be a good deal lower than it is.
Lion of the Blogosphere
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Correct. White population growth is essentially flat-lined. Growth is entirely due to immigration and the children immigrants have. It seems I never see a Chinese or Indian woman who isn’t dragging a couple of kids along with her.
peterike
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
yes its the indian and chinese that are increasing the population. Peterike know what he’s talking about.
unam
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
I don’t think so. I don’t think she’s even considering the Asian men, let alone dating them. She’s considering and dating the white men in the Seattle tech industry. From the article:
“tall, bearded (as they all seem to be)” is obviously referring to white men. Biking, being into food and wine also refers to white men, specifically SWPL men.
Jeremy
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
She’s considering and dating the white men in the Seattle tech industry.
But she also has fond recollections of 90s West Coast techies. Were white programmers alphas back then? If they’re still the same kind of guy then her article can’t be taken at face value.
The Undiscovered Jew
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Yup. The Asian men literally don’t even exist to her. As it should be, too.
peterike
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Even if she mentioned Asian men as undesirables to vast numbers of white women like herself, nobody should be offended. As another poster mentioned above, it has been a proven fact with plenty of supporting statistical data that Asian men are at the lowest end of the dating totem pole. Lower than even Black and Hispanic men. I am pretty sure that most Asians already know that.
The one way to counter their low SMV here in the US is to find spouses from their homeland and bring them here. US Justice dept has just proposed a new law that will allow spouses of immigrants to join the workforce (currently H4B spouses cannot work) while their spouses’ permanent resident card is pending. That removes one extra obstacle in the way of these immigrants.
wt
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
It goes to show you that status is about looks, and not just a card stock from a paper mill at Harvard.
Even among White female nerds at the Ivy Leagues, Asian men are seen as less than manly.
JS
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
Enjoy your cats, Annie.
Oswald Spengler
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
This woman actually doesn’t like alphas either. She complains about the timid guys with poor social skills but also the blustery guys with poor social skills. The kind of type A bros who are all about money. She likes artsy fartsy guys who would probably be considered Beta by most guys on here but do score lots of pussy.
TheGManifesto
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Artsy Fartsy guys who score a lot of tail of course are more alpha than type A bras who are all about money. Alpha of course means getting poon for most men.
Handsome – Southern European Lotharios could crush any Wall St Frat in seconds, when it comes to women.
JS
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
The phenomenon of programming taking over as one of the top white collar occupations (according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, computer and mathematical science occupations are “projected to add 967,00 jobs in 2014,” the fastest growing in professional occupations), and the new breed of programmers that are being pumped into the tech sector
I wonder what Lion thinks about this.
Samson J.
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
I call bullshit on that statistic.
Daniel
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Wow! See, here’s why the US needs more H-1B immigrants.
E. Rekshun
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
How is a non-famous woman’s dating drought newsworthy? I’m sure there’s some guy in Des Moines who’s having trouble picking up chicks. Where’s HIS column? It seems like the only thing a Master’s in philosophy qualifies you to do is whine about your life.
Brendan
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
“How is a non-famous woman’s dating drought newsworthy?”
That’s what Salon, Slate and the rest are for.
Glengarry
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
Correction: YUPPIE women hate Beta males.
“I’ve lived in Seattle for seven years, single most of them,” Annie Pardo, a 31-year-old freelance event and communications consultant in Seattle”
I can see why you’re so single. I’m sure the feelings are reciprocated.
Edward S
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
I was a programmer during the 90s dot com bubble. It was actually geekier and nerdier back then. There were no “brogrammers” back then. That’s a recent thing. There are brogrammers and less geeky types in programming and tech today because the barriers to entry to programming are lower today, especially with mobile and app development.
rocksteady
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
If Silicon Valley is less geekier than before then what’s she really complaining about?
The Undiscovered Jew
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
None of the guys with her are alphas, so what could’ve been the problem…
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.112445455507056.25617.101163483301920
https://twitter.com/monettebabyxoxo
https://twitter.com/MonetteJMoio
https://www.flickr.com/people/momomoio/
https://vine.co/u/930279057327808512
https://plus.google.com/107513610719445579607/posts
http://instagram.com/monettemoio
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_5sXmOkgj20J:www.linkedin.com/pub/monette-moio/47/b82/aa5+
For informational use only.
Don Juany
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
Forget to add one more:
https://myspace.com/monette_moio_
Don Juany
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
She’s posted hundreds of pictures of herself all over the web, but Elliot is the one who’s “narcissistic”?
Lion of the Blogosphere
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
@Lion
Well she was apparently a model at some point… I mean it’s kinda understandable.
cannibal
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
Lion – It’s survival of the sexiest. Narcissism isn’t an issue if you’re pretty or handsome!
JS
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
It wouldn’t surprise me the least bit if her and her brother bullied ER far greater than most of us have been led to believe. The portrayal of her as a victim, a pristine version of snow white, is inaccurate and does not reflect the visibility she occupied among her peers in terms of status.
As a society, we never stop to think of women as instigators and enablers, but in fact it is widely acknowledge and often goes underreported.
nevertoolate
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
Men who work at Amazon wouldn’t want to do date the low IQ white women who are native to Seattle and would prefer women from SF/NYC or East Asia.
Alex
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
White women generally don’t like Asian men anywhere.
JS
June 1, 2014 at EDT pm
31 years old and she thinks an alpha will date her! I’m beta and even I don’t have to date women in their 30s.
Bill
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
Paul Graham on philosophy:
“What philosophy books would you recommend? I can’t think of any I’d recommend. What I learned from trying to study philosophy is that the place to look is in other fields. If you understand math or history or aeronautical engineering very well, the most abstract of the things you know are what philosophy is supposed to be teaching. Books on philosophy per se are either highly technical stuff that doesn’t matter much, or vague concatenations of abstractions their own authors didn’t fully understand (e.g. Hegel). It can be interesting to study ancient philosophy, but more as a kind of accident report than to teach you anything useful.”
http://www.paulgraham.com/raq.html
rivsdiary
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
A Philosophy major would garner devastating status, if that person knows Ancient Greek and Latin, maybe a Middle Eastern language like Arabic, and French and German. You basically have all your bases covered in today’s society to look down on beta men, and distinguish yourself from other run-of-the-mill Alphas, and even give them the finger. Most important, ladies will see you as the “man”.
JS
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
So I’m confused. If a guy is artistic, he isn’t beta? I thought the alpha/beta distinction referred to social dominance rather than one’s hobbies and interests.
AE
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
You are probably right that any major voice like Heartiste or etc that when they make a post focusing on what is Alpha/Beta would state that is about social dominance. Or perhaps repeat a in some form that it is a “mindset, not a demographic”. It’s a common post is doing some kind of post where one Lawyer/Bodybuilder/CEO fails meanwhile someone else with the right mindset scores non-stop.
But sure as hell there’s still make plenty of statements using hobbies and interests continually as beta. More times in the comments, but plenty in posts too. It doesn’t help that some places like Roissy that I can only remember he used a nerd as a successful example once (Starcraft player I recall) while I recall using serial killers much more commonly in those comparison post.
It does make it really hard to keep interpreting the lesson to be social dominance when you keep reading the same career/hobby/interest used in proxy to beta.
Dreamer
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
Alpha is the men who women want to hook up with, marry, etc.
This description may sound circular, but that demonstrates that when other women are attracted to a man, that creates social proof. The biological basis for this preference is that presumably such men would pass on these alpha genes to male children, so a woman who has children by such a men would have more grandchildren.
Lion of the Blogosphere
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
Lion,
Look at the television programs and movies women watch like Twilight, Hunger Games and True Blood. Each of these shows are basically about a slightly above-average looking girl who somehow gets love and commitment from men that are way out of her league. Many of these movies illustrate Game principles bu at least showing what kind of behavior you should avoid.
map
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
Alpha, in PUA-land is a man who women want to have sex with even if they can’t get the other things (relationships, provision, good father) they want from a man.
CamelCaseRob
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
Be good looking, interesting and a have big bank account. That’s what you call Alpha.
JS
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
it’s interesting all this shaming of our brightest and best here just because some entitled chick says so. that is all.
Jim Anee
June 3, 2014 at EDT am
Women find writers and poets attractive because it is easy to understand what they do. Their work is is also easy to come into contact with. That’s very different from scientists and engineers except for a small number of them. For example the work of Brin & Page is easy to notice, even though very few women have any idea what the source code behind Google does. Likewise, Albert Einstein is one of few scientists they will at least recognize, because some consequences of his discoveries can be explained to a person of average intelligence.
WRB
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
The math required to understand what Albert Einstein was doing is an order of magnitude more complicated than understanding how to write computer programs.
Lion of the Blogosphere
June 2, 2014 at EDT am
Actually, the basic concepts of special relativity can be demonstrated using fairly simple algebra (Time dilation, Lorentz contraction, etc). The more advanced ideas in general relativity (spacetime, geometry/curvature of spacetime, singularities, cosmology, quantum gravity, string theory) draw on math that is beyond the general public (especially typical liberal arts major).
Michael
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
“Time dilation, Lorentz contraction, etc” – that’s what I meant when I wrote “some consequences.”
WRB
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
The whole female digs alpha/hates betas is largely the overwrought self-fulfilling fantasy of fellas that just aren’t up for the daily grind of potential family life. In my sphere (bar industry for nearly 20 years), the new norm is chicks that dig dudes who drive shotgun, jog with nose firmly in behind, dress slovenly, don’t pay for extracurriculars and overall seem more than willing to be a doormat until disposal. The idea that all chicks desire alphas runs counter to the new norm of the liberated female actually being the “alpha.” Go to anywhere in the “man”-o-sphere and one never actually reads the tear-jerking stories of beta providers being wrongly denied wife, children and family life. Most really want a de facto homo lifestyle that isn’t strictly confined to porn and that which inevitably follows for such a predicament can lead to homicidal madness.
thordaddy
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
That’s not necessarily a contradiction. A woman may initially settle for a whipped husband, but she will not respect him and (remember hypergamy!) she will throw him under the bus, when a more attractive alternative becomes available.
WRB
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
you are wrong. women go for the tingles. doesnt matter if you are a rich beta, she will go for the poor alpha jock everytime, while fleecing you.
http://www.returnofkings.com/9115/why-money-can-no-longer-save-the-beta-male-2
ericcartman
June 4, 2014 at EDT am
What’s with the comment count? It says 186 but there are about 10.
GMR
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
Click the “Older Comments” link.
Lion of the Blogosphere
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
So much in wanting to be alpha or what lion calls it prole drift:
http://money.msn.com/business-news/article.aspx?feed=BLOOM&date=20140601&id=17666407
Many people want to get rid of their body art. Just love how new industries prop up to feed on people’s idiocy!
JS
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
I think Camel Case Rob’s description of an alpha is accurate and most useful for analysis purposes. It has more to do with how a guy gets women than whether he can get them. A guy who can sleep with 50 women for free is more alpha than a rich guy who paid 50 hookers for sex.
Mark
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
There’s no real reason that should be the deciding criterion. It could also be who has the highest status, the most power, the most physically powerful, the most knowledgeable, etc. In fact all of those measures have been used in different societies. For example in Andean society the shamans had very high social status. To measure status in terms of sexual attraction is actually pretty vulgar. Yes, of course, there is often overlapping between these factors, as those who are high status often get a lot of sex. But then again, Roissy would say that someone who is high status but only gets sex because of his status or money isn’t alpha. Rather it should be because of his personal qualities. Such a values system is highly arbitrary and idiosyncratic, and is highly influenced by modern-day America, which is a sick society to begin with.
shiva1008
June 2, 2014 at EDT pm
Sometimes the best way to define something is to say what it’s not. What is an alpha male? An alpha man is the opposite of a beta male. And what is a beta male? A man who is ashamed of his male sexuality, who is worried about what other people think of him, who is afraid of offending people, who is polite to people just so they like him, who tries hard to fit in because he is afraid to stand out because he is afraid of being laughed at, who doesn’t know his own strengths and is not confident in his abilities, who indulges in his fears and weaknesses, doesn’t push himself to become a better man, who compromises his own dignity in the hopes of getting affection, attention, and companionship. Basically, a beta male is in most cases a pathetic nice guy who is a pushover, a scared boy pretending to be a man — who was never taught how to be a real man.
To know what beta is, I recommend the excellent book “No More Mr Nice Guy” by Robert Glover. It really helped me get over my beta nice guy tendencies and become a stronger, more courageous, more confident man.
rivsdiary
June 3, 2014 at EDT am
I’m sick and tired of this shit.
I’m tired of thinking about what women want…
I’m tired of thinking about what women don’t want ..
I’m tired of thinking about what to say ..
I’m tired of thinking about what not to say ..
I’m tired of thinking about what games to play..
I’m tired of thinking about what women are entitled to ..
I’m tired of thinking about missed opportunities …
I’m tired of being tired. I give up. I’m not an Alpha male. I never was. I never will be. I don’t have game. Worst of all I don’t WANT any. Game is fake. I’m not interested. The cost of admission into your vagina is just too high. You expect too much. It’s too much work.
$200.00 for dinner; to be told I’m uninteresting, unimpressive, unmemorable, and boring, by a 31 YEAR OLD WOMEN.
It’s time for an ESCORT. Now if only I could convince myself to actually go through with it ..
Michael
June 3, 2014 at EDT pm
Why exhaust yourself chasing unobtainable hotties or pay for escorts? As Alison Rosen likes to say https://twitter.com/acethemoreuknow/status/400297642569515008 . Here she is describing her former life as a fat girl. http://alisonrosen.com/2011/11/heres-where-i-pour-my-fat-heart-out/ . The guys on this site really exaggerate the hurdles they are facing, especially when one considers the low self-esteem of much of the world’s female population.
Curle
June 6, 2014 at EDT pm
Whiskey is a clown who believes that all white women have jungle fever.
Joe Walker
June 3, 2014 at EDT pm
I know where he’s coming from and believe me, many guys underestimate the desirability of black men when it comes to White women.
White women will pay homage to black men who come across as non-stereotypical losers. The same qualities found in Asian men and geeky White men, where women would not give them time of the day. Being black and being a nice guy gives off an attractiveness to women, that other men would simply be written off as “beta”. It actually works better that black men come across as nice guys because of their inherent alphaness and their stereotypical thuggish image.
The liberal brainwashing that black men are losers because of pervasive White racism and as a result, their pathological hyper-masculinity stemming from such racism makes White women sympathetic of black men, whenever they portray themselves as educated, well groomed and well spoken.
The Columbia Interracial Dating experiment proved that black men in an Ivy League setting are seen as significantly more attractive by White women than Asian men who get the flak for being over studious losers.
By the way, Obama’s ex girlfriends were all White.
JS
June 4, 2014 at EDT am
Coalburners tend to be trashy and ugly, just like the stereotype. Black men are rarely hardcore alphas or thugs; urban slang has a slew of terms for beta males and their behavior like “simpin'”, “cupcakin'” etc.
The Dude
June 10, 2014 at EDT pm
@ JS AKA The Black Man who wants a white women.
You have amazing SELF RATIONALIZATION SKILLS.
Evolved Beta Male
June 4, 2014 at EDT pm