Lion of the Blogosphere

Hot babes who drug you and then rob you

Rich 23-year-old meets too hot babes at Tao (best sushi I ever had) and takes them back to his apartment for a ménage a trois. But they drug him and then steal his Rolex and $10,000 in cash, plus other small and expensive articles, while he his passed out.
Police say that these cases are “very common.”

Thank you New York Post for printing the news that the New York Times doesn’t think is news that’s fit to print. (Of course, if this scam is really that common, and the victim is nobody important, then I suppose it’s not really news.)

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

June 4, 2014 at 1:06 PM

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  1. I saw this story. I like the racial angle: the girls were described as one white and one black. Dude had his Oreo dream sandwich!

    The next question is where this bro gets all his money. A 23 year old “former UN intern,” but he has a $2,000 passport holder (WTF is a “passport holder”?). Looks like another slacker trust funder.

    Mamas don’t let your children grow up to be slackers.


    June 4, 2014 at 1:24 PM

    • “Dude had his Oreo dream sandwich!”

      ha ha ha!!!!!!!!1111!

      I want 'em real thick and juicy

      June 4, 2014 at 1:56 PM

    • UN intern = connection, and probably an Ivy education. He is certainly toos and this will be his ‘introduction’ to the real world.


      June 4, 2014 at 2:09 PM

      • GWU Law isn’t Ivy!


        June 4, 2014 at 4:49 PM

      • Very likely not an Ivy education, and most certainly not TOOS.


        June 4, 2014 at 5:05 PM

    • Yeah the last paragraph of NYT article stated he was a 2012 graduate of GWU Law School., which I don’t believe. Not if he’s 23.

      No one should spend $800 on a pair of sunglasses.

      Ben P

      June 4, 2014 at 2:43 PM

      • Very likely not an Ivy education, and most certainly not TOOS.

        TOOS don’t flaunt their wealth like he does. I’m guessing he’s a wealthy, partially black, Hispanic.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        June 4, 2014 at 8:07 PM

      • Graduated law school at 21 ish and now he is an intern? Hmmmm.

        And whats with the $10.6K in cash in the apartment? I can see trustafarians having their bills paid by why so much cash?

        Lion of the Turambar

        June 5, 2014 at 8:47 AM

      • Possibly he needed cash to pay for black-market transactions like drugs and prostitutes. Or it was to impress gold-digger women at bars when he would open his wallet and it would be full of Ben Franklins.

    • A passport holder is what you use to avoid unauthorized rfid snooping of personal info.


      June 4, 2014 at 3:08 PM

    • What if he’s faking being a victim like Dominique Strauss Kahn’s rape accuser?

      The Undiscovered Jew

      June 4, 2014 at 7:53 PM

    • “2K passport holder”

      A Louis Vuitton Wallet for all you metrosexuals out there!


      June 4, 2014 at 8:43 PM

  2. Theft is about power.

    Since in our society men have power men cannot experience theft – they can only have items taken from them.

    Steve Johnson

    June 4, 2014 at 1:29 PM

  3. girls stealing money from men isn’t newsworthy because it happens every day.


    June 4, 2014 at 1:30 PM

    • yes!

      I want 'em real thick and juicy

      June 4, 2014 at 1:57 PM

  4. Stuff like this probably happens every day. Multiple times a day in Vegas.


    June 4, 2014 at 1:30 PM

    • it’s called adult entertainment in vegas

      I want 'em real thick and juicy

      June 4, 2014 at 1:58 PM

  5. the ny post is awesome:

    “J.Lo ready to dump boy-toy amid transsexual sexting scandal”

    I want 'em real thick and juicy

    June 4, 2014 at 2:00 PM

  6. Well, they’re monetizing their good looks I guess.


    June 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM

  7. Something similar happened to a Philly weatherman a few years ago:


    June 4, 2014 at 2:56 PM

  8. Another beta sucker like the Amazon Chumps out in Seattle, who tries to impress women with their money?

    He’s 23 years old – which means he’s another one of those Millennial idiots who are conformist and boring.


    June 4, 2014 at 2:59 PM

    • Getting Trojan Horsed is classic alpha, not beta. In fact, it’s the easiest way to defeat an alpha – note how the unfaithful boyfriends in the War of the Roses prank never question that they’re the “lucky winners” of a “free” bouquet of roses for their honey.

      To think that something that’s too good to be true is happening to you, you have to be accustomed to good things happening to you in the first place.

      An true beta AFC, on the other hand, has been conditioned to expect the worst, and would be more neurotic and suspicious.


      June 4, 2014 at 4:35 PM

      • What do you mean by a true beta? A beta is a beta!

        He had nothing going for him other than his wealth which is why those 2 ladies took advantage of him.

        Now compare him to Paul Janka, who beds hundreds of women without any material goods. He does it just by raw seduction and being an interesting bad boy. He was living in a shabby apartment in NYC at the time, not like this sucker. Paul could have done better had he stayed in school longer, ultimately attaining status by becoming a college professor and knocking college girls along the way.


        June 4, 2014 at 5:54 PM

  9. If you google search this guy and look at his face, you could understand why women would want to take advantage of him.

    He doesn’t seem sharp with women!


    June 4, 2014 at 3:13 PM

  10. Interesting that they could get away with this. I would assume there are cameras in the apartment lobby and parts of the restaurant. Maybe tech isn’t that advanced as I think.

    June 4, 2014 at 3:16 PM

  11. He has a law degree from George Washington University. My brother’s a GWU alum. Says it’s a school for rich kids that aren’t that smart.


    June 4, 2014 at 3:23 PM

    • It used to be a lot cheaper but they raised the tuition to make it seem like a better school.


      June 4, 2014 at 8:37 PM

    • GWU has risen in law school rankings over the past twenty years or so. It used to hover around #30 nationwide IIRC but is now ranked #20 by USN&WR which is respectable. Your description of the undergrad is probably correct, and the law school at one time could be characterized thusly, but now it appears to be a school for the relatively smart as well (at least for law school). I’d guess any top 20 law school pulls mostly from the 94 and higher percentile of LSAT takers.


      June 4, 2014 at 8:57 PM

      • GWU is a ‘trap school’ – read up at third tier reality to understand what that means.


        June 6, 2014 at 4:48 PM

  12. “Police say that these cases are “very common.””

    Probably so. Women using sex and the promise of sex to get money from men. It’s human nature playing out exactly as expected. I suppose the women, if caught, should be prosecuted just so there aren’t criminals running around doing it. But, honestly, the victims bear some of the blame. Particularly in cases where men are getting drugged/robbed hoping for some play. It doesn’t take a genius to realize that hanging out in bars/clubs, picking up strangers and bringing them back to their place for alcohol and casual sex could carry risks. I’m tempted to applaud the ladies for hosing a dumb, spoiled little shit.


    June 4, 2014 at 3:30 PM

    • and is this human nature too?

      a lot of female behavior can be explained by their inferior economic status. when they “have their own” they behave a lot more like men.

      jorge videla

      June 4, 2014 at 8:05 PM

    • What’s really funny about the story is that his brother was in the apartment in dead sleep, while he was trying to get laid. I think he also had another roommate who also didn’t know what happened.

      Just commend the women for being wicked ladies, who clean out his apartment of his valuables. The kind of girls you need for a Bonnie and Clyde partnership, if women still respect men as team players.


      June 4, 2014 at 8:37 PM

    • “But, honestly, the victims bear some of the blame.”

      Heh, this sounds familiar somehow. But hasn’t modern society progressed beyond such outdated notions?


      June 5, 2014 at 2:34 AM

  13. destructure

    June 4, 2014 at 3:32 PM

    • I love how the British Daily Mail routinely out-reports American media on American stories. It’s almost a given, if you read a story like this and think to yourself, “Gee, I’d like to know a little more…” just go to the Daily Mail and it will be there.


      June 4, 2014 at 5:20 PM

      • And they usually provide more details about the persons involved, either with additional pictures and/or information.


        June 5, 2014 at 9:50 AM

      • “And they usually provide more details about the persons involved, either with additional pictures and/or information.” ———————————————————————————————————- Look what they are up against:

        “Steve Chapman is an editor at the Chicago Tribune who does not like it when people like Second City Cop complain his paper “embargoes” news about about racial violence. “Why do you care so much about the attackers’ race?” he wrote. “If you fear or dislike blacks, I suppose it would confirm your prejudice. But otherwise, it tells you nothing useful.”


        June 5, 2014 at 8:53 PM

  14. Unless you’re Justin Timberlake or someone, be very suspicious of the proposition of a threesome.


    June 4, 2014 at 3:56 PM

    • I’ve turned down 3somes on two separate occasions. Both times the girls were bisexual. Not really my kind of thing.


      June 4, 2014 at 4:58 PM

  15. He looks black, which indicates that he’s even dumber than the ranking of his law school would suggest.


    June 4, 2014 at 4:44 PM

    • More like Hispanic, especially Puerto Ricano.


      June 4, 2014 at 6:10 PM

      • By the way, his last name sounds Italian.


        June 4, 2014 at 7:31 PM

    • Puerto Ricans normally aren’t as wealthy as this guy plainly is. A partially black Brazilian, maybe?

      The Undiscovered Jew

      June 4, 2014 at 7:51 PM

  16. This is OT but Liony in some ways. Check out this little Twitter ship-storm that occurred over a micro-aggressing bro putting up a presentation slide that was SEXIST!!!!!


    June 4, 2014 at 5:23 PM

  17. Did he at least get laid before he passed out?


    June 4, 2014 at 5:30 PM

  18. Lol did they rape him too?


    June 4, 2014 at 6:18 PM

    • They only raped his wallet.

      • The most I’ve ever had in cash was the $1600 to buy my first car. What was he doing with $10000 in cash?


        June 4, 2014 at 6:53 PM

      • I assume the girls didn’t play dutch with him when it came to the sushi. Tao isn’t cheap – $$$.


        June 4, 2014 at 7:33 PM

    • women can’t really rape men except with a strap on.

      jorge videla

      June 4, 2014 at 8:00 PM

      • i take that back. if the man is immobilized his genitals will respond whether he likes it or not. and it does happen.

        it’s never talked about, for obvious reasons, but this is often the case for female rape victims too.

        jorge videla

        June 4, 2014 at 11:03 PM

    • but then again:

      1. women’s colleges recently opened to men…be prepared 😉
      2. the trobriand islands yam festival. women will gang up on men, and force them to the ground while one rubs herself against the man.

      jorge videla

      June 4, 2014 at 8:36 PM

      • “women will gang up on men, and force them to the ground while one rubs herself against the man”

        sounds fun. I’d love to try it on Gilbert Gottfried. LOL!


        June 4, 2014 at 9:00 PM

      • Gilbie Gotfried gotta be the gottliest grotesque gotham guy to get down with. And he’s a prole on top of everything.

        You’ll love him MaryK. I’m sure he’s happy to give up his overbearing wife for a shiksa!


        June 4, 2014 at 11:02 PM

      • “I’m sure he’s happy to give up his overbearing wife for a shiksa!”

        I was just kidding. I’d never go with a married man and certainly never break up someone’s marriage. In fact, because of my religious beliefs I couldn’t bang Gottfried even if he were single and showed an interest in me. But he wouldn’t be marriage material for me anyway. My interest in him (my fantasy, I should say) is purely sexual. There’s something incredibly appealing about the thought of doing a guy who few other women would want to be with. I mean how much would it take to get him to say (try to imagine this in Gottfried’s voice) “holy _uck, this is great sex.!”

        And what makes you say that Dara Gottfried is “overbearing.” Because she’s Jewish (nee Kravitz)? I hope I don’t have to defend another ethnic group against an unfair stereotype! Dara, from what I’ve seen of her on the internet, seems pretty nice.


        June 5, 2014 at 3:50 PM

      • sounds fun. I’d love to try it on Gilbert Gottfried. LOL!

        You could do the same to Lion and then steal $10,000 from his bank account when he isn’t looking.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        June 5, 2014 at 8:41 PM

      • A wild scenario, TUJ! But I’m a few years older than Lion, (about 6 or 7 years, I believe) so he probably wouldn’t be interested in taking me back to his small Manhattan apartment for anything – unless it might be a discussion on an HBD-related topic. And I’d never steal from Lion. Heck, with all I’ve learned since reading this blog I should be paying HIM 10 grand!


        June 5, 2014 at 10:48 PM

      • And I’d never steal from Lion.

        You should. He wouldn’t hesitate to steal your status.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        June 5, 2014 at 11:13 PM

      • the putative obsession of men with youth is bs. just like the obsession with thinness.

        this is all just jive that women make up.

        jorge videla

        June 6, 2014 at 7:27 AM

      • “You should. He wouldn’t hesitate to steal your status”

        What status? Lion is more intelligent, more educated, and a lot more sophisticated than I am. I can think of only two places where I would outrank Lion on the status scale – and neither are places he would have an interest in being – 1) an evangelical church, 2) some kind of Italian-American feast/festival (maybe 18 ave or San Gennaro) ……well, maybe he’d want to go to the festival for the good food. But then he hates guidos, so he’d probably make the culinary sacrifice and not go.


        June 6, 2014 at 3:46 PM

      • I’d go for the food. And I like watching proles in their natural environment.

      • Why do you want to watch proles? Proles are just the lower classes with a sense of purpose.

        I get more of a kick watching StupidWPLs!

        And by the way, prole watching in Manhattan is not easy. It’s not like you live in Staten Island!


        June 6, 2014 at 5:00 PM

  19. Notice how everyone adopts the tropes that if women are drugged then it is a very bad thing but if men are drugged it is humorous and the guy probably deserved it.

    Being robbed when drugged is a bad thing just like being sexually assaulted when drugged is bad. Notice how everyone assumes that men can remain rational even when drunk but that women cannot possibly be rational when drunk.


    June 4, 2014 at 7:06 PM

  20. jorge videla

    June 4, 2014 at 7:58 PM

    • go along, but make your marks take off their clothes.

      then leave. and say, “no penis for you!”

      jorge videla

      June 4, 2014 at 8:08 PM

  21. All we have is his version of events . . . it’s reasonable to assume that he is spinning things to put himself in the best possible light. My guess is that (1) he brought these girls home knowing full well they were prostitutes; (2) he was not drugged, he simply passed out; and (3) the girls spontaneously decided to rob him because that’s how prostitutes are.


    June 4, 2014 at 8:49 PM

    • Perhaps they were escorts, because the media was saying many of these incidents happen quite often, where call girls rip off their clients.


      June 5, 2014 at 10:03 AM

    • They were almost certainly prostitutes. 2nd or 3rd world playboy has $10,000 “stolen” from him by two strange women at his apartment, of course.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      June 5, 2014 at 8:43 PM

    • ironrailsironweights

      June 4, 2014 at 10:22 PM

    • Canada is a saner place.

      Canadians are more beta, people are more passive aggressive, unlike Americans who are pushy, at your face aggressive, New Yorkers being the worse.


      June 4, 2014 at 10:46 PM

      • Canada is a great place to live, but sexually it’s not. Canadian women are generally not that attractive. Again, a great place for beta men who don’t need to man up.


        June 4, 2014 at 10:49 PM

      • “Canadian women are generally not that attractive”

        Canadian sources report that the lack of beauty in Canadian women is due to a dearth of Italian genes, specifically the “guidette” gene, found among women in warmer places- like Sicily, Staten Island, and the dressing rooms of the cast of “The Jersey Shore.”


        June 5, 2014 at 8:51 AM

      • Canada has a substantial Italian population. My hunch is that there’s very little intermixing between the genes and a lot of inbreeding. There’s a smaller population in Canada, and its citizens are very segregated by their origins and are sedentary.

        Don’t discount human irrationality, as many overseas Americans would tell you that they miss the social dysfunction that characterizes our nation. After all, America would be a less exciting place, if we didn’t have the kind of problems that are being addressed on this blog.


        June 5, 2014 at 10:00 AM

      • Canadians do tend to age well though. I suspect they are exposed to less UV radiation due to being at a high latitude+colder weather and car-oriented society which leads them to either be indoors or in their cars. They also experience less stress with the low crime rate and generous social safety net.


        June 5, 2014 at 12:51 PM

      • “My hunch is that there’s very little intermixing between the genes and a lot of inbreeding. There’s a smaller population in Canada, and its citizens are very segregated by their origins and are sedentary”

        No need for hunches when we can look up the info. A Wikipedia entry titled “Italian Canadians” states that most Italian Canadians are of mixed descent and mainly are mixed with other white ethnicities. Apparently the famous Irish-Italian hybrid is also found in Canada – not only on American HBD blogs trying to improve the group’s image! ICs (I hope we don’t have to call them “ickies” for short!) have a slightly above average income and seem to be well-represented in most professions, having below average numbers only in agriculture. There are supposedly still some “Little Italies” left in Canada. Maybe I should move there!

        By the way, famous American you probably didn’t know were part Italian: Bruce Springsteen, Mary Lou Retton, John Sebastian (ot the pop group The Lovin Spoonful), and actress Marlo Thomas (she’s also half Lebanese). Famous African-Italians are pop artist Prince, and pop singer Alicia Keys. If they’d been half black and half Vietnamese we could have called them “vietNAMS.” (………..ok, bad joke!)

        Ad my comments about Italian genes resulting in good looks were intended to be funny . All races contain beautiful people as well as unattractive people. I prefer Mediterranean or Mediterranean-Nordic mixtures, but that’s just my taste.


        June 5, 2014 at 3:35 PM

      • Canada is a less dynamic country than America. More violence, and more social dysfunction among higher IQ nations equates to more alphaness, more competition and in many cases, more industry and more innovation (not just in a technical sense), which are prevalent in America and less of Canada. This is how Europe became a great continent and nations such as China did not.

        As Orson Welles once said how the Renaissance Italy was a product of violence and bloodshed, which produced famous men with mind boggling achievements such da Vinci, Michelangelo and Machiavelli, where as the relatively peaceful Swiss only gave us the cuckoo clock.

        The only problem is that many Americans now feel entitled and are no longer driven to take the country to the next level of human evolution.


        June 5, 2014 at 4:39 PM

      • @JS: you are talking crap – Vancouver and Montreal are two of the best cities in North America when it comes to having attractive women of European descent.

        Have you ever spent substantial time in either?

        Canadian women tend to be less fat as well compared to their american sisters.


        June 5, 2014 at 5:02 PM

      • “There are supposedly still some “Little Italies” left in Canada. Maybe I should move there!”

        Maybe you should move to Montreal. French Canada is nicer and more vibrant than any depressing Anglosphere town.


        June 5, 2014 at 6:08 PM

      • i think mediterraneans on better looking on average, but then the extremes may be from anywhere in dolichocephalic europe.

        ingrid bergman and marlon brando (brandau) had not a drop of mediterranean anscestry.

        jorge videla

        June 5, 2014 at 7:30 PM

      • Yes, I’ve been to Montreal, but not Vancouver. Canadian women are overly pale due to less sunlight and cold weather, and aren’t as fit as women from NYC. In terms of looks, I find American women to be hotter.


        June 5, 2014 at 11:13 PM

      • “Canada is a less dynamic country than America. More violence, and more social dysfunction among higher IQ nations equates to more alphaness.” ———————————————————————————– By that criteria one would expect to see Brazil at the top of the world heap.

        Anyway, Canada wiped the floor with the US in the Mercer Index of Livable Cities which is used to help Fortune 500s locate facilities.

        I fear your much vaunted American alpha-ness is viewed as has-been-ism by much of the world including many here in the US.


        June 6, 2014 at 2:04 AM

      • Curle – Provide me with a good reason as to why many idiots relocate to NYC than let’s say a place such as Boise, Idaho (which by the way, was ranked high with QoL measures). NYC has a lot more dysfunctionalism, NAM problems, and violence than Boise.


        June 6, 2014 at 9:19 AM

      • “Provide me with a good reason as to why many idiots relocate to NYC than let’s say a place such as Boise, Idaho.” —————————————————————————————————————————– According to this Forbes article Boise is #16 on the list of America’s fastest growing cities (most of which are in the SW and West). NYC doesn’t even make the top 20. Seattle is #11.
        But, Boise isn’t on the Mercer top 50 most livable cities. NYC is at #49 (tied with Pittsburgh). There are seven other American cities on the Mercer list starting with Hono at 31, followed by San Fran at 32, Boston, Chicago, D.C., NYC (already mentioned) and finally Seattle at #50. The American cities cluster at the bottom of the list. By way of contrast little Canada has all five major cities on this list with the highest at #4 and the lowest at #28 (higher than any American city). This is evidence that non-diverse Canada is up and coming and diverse US is falling behind.


        June 6, 2014 at 8:02 PM

  22. TOOS?


    June 4, 2014 at 11:15 PM

  23. Women who say they’ve been drugged almost never are. For many years they didn’t have the technology to look for these drugs but now they do and I’m curious to see what they actually found.

    Howie Stern

    June 5, 2014 at 12:50 AM

  24. Since when have women used sex to manipulate men? This is all one big misunderstanding…

    Also, just because he *says* they took 10 grand, doesn’t mean they took ten grand.

    TOOS = The Out of Sight Wealthy

    Vince, the Lionhearted

    June 5, 2014 at 12:51 AM

  25. “Hot babes who drug you and then rob you”

    Just hastening the natural process we’re all familiar with.


    June 5, 2014 at 2:37 AM

  26. Moral of this story? Might as well spend all your money on whores and booze, they’re bound to get it one way or the other.


    June 5, 2014 at 2:50 AM

    • The women could have been whores in your context, but committed a scam on the “poor” fellow.


      June 5, 2014 at 9:48 AM

  27. OT The quote below is NOT an LOTB parody…it’s a real libertarian cleric. Yes, bandwagon libertarians, your high command is really that naive and idealistic.

    “Chris Edwards, an economist at the conservative [sic] think-tank Cato Institute, argues that this shift toward subcontracting benefits businesses and workers. ‘A company can’t pay workers more than their productivity,’ he said. ‘American businesses are efficient,'”


    June 5, 2014 at 10:15 AM

  28. Moncton is a ho-hum well-to-do Canadian city with decor stuck in 1966. Odd.


    June 5, 2014 at 11:08 AM

  29. Meet women at church. Enough said. You know it’s true. And no, I’m not preaching here. I don’t care if you’re an atheist, spiritual, or agnostic. As lame as it its probably perceived, deep down inside, guys and girls alike, probably wish they have gone down that route.

    john smith

    June 5, 2014 at 2:12 PM

  30. OT:

    About Rachel Jeantel


    June 5, 2014 at 9:42 PM

      • Holy crap, I just read that. And Fox News is criticized for creating entertainment not news, this piece is a showcase of nonsense. The thing starts off with an overblown attempt to contextualize the rambling, and ultimately, insignificant testimony of a clear moron seeking to provide some fig leaf of justification for a contrived prosecution case as some broader commentary on American society and racial ‘projection.’ Her illiteracy and low grade intellect are cast as cultural differences (as if dumb and stupid were a culture). They then proceed to describe how a ‘village’ of blacks is helping her move forward in life touching on how important such inter-tribal self-sufficiency and coming together for the common greater good is of great importance to the black community, all the while without reference to the near certainty that this woman and her family have been living off government support for most (all) of their lives and that she gained fame within the context of the death of a kid who was as bereft of parental guidance as a kid could possibly be. The presentation contrasted to the reality here would be stunning were it not so common for American papers.


        June 6, 2014 at 2:25 AM

  31. Just read this comment thread in its entirety, something I don’t normally do.

    I am greatly amused that Lion’s tireless blogging over the years has finally earned him a groupie. Too bad she’s Italian and older than him, but better than having no groupie at all.

    Italian-American pride is one of the more amusing phenomenons in American life. The ethnic groups in this country that have the least to be proud of are the most aggressive in their ethnic pride (exceptions: Jews, Scots). You never hear of German pride, Swedish pride, Dutch pride, English pride, or Chinese pride.

    There are great Italian achievements of course, but nearly all belong to the North of Italy from which few Italian-Americans have links. Most Italian-Americans are Sicilian, which quality Northern Italians deride as being Africa, not Italy.


    June 10, 2014 at 2:51 PM

    • Ethnic groups who remain prolish over time tend to be the most haughty. The root causes are parochialism and a lack of education. It could also be a NYC thing, where lumpenprole Hispanics such as Puerto Ricans are vehemently proud of their roots, without any achievements to show forth.


      June 10, 2014 at 3:56 PM

      • I’m not so sure. Prior to World War 2 it seems that the best ethnic groups were the proudest.

        Random example:,_Jerusalem

        And how did Kaiser Wilhelm II dedicate this church?

        “From Jerusalem came the light in splendor from which the German nation became great and glorious; and what the Germanic peoples have become, they became under the banner of the cross, the emblem of self-sacrificing charity.”

        Could you imagine Angela Merkel saying anything like that? Or any German at all?

        In Chicago the city is littered with former Turn Vereins, institutions which promoted gymnastics and German nationalism (interesting combination…). The expensive SWPL gym I go to was actually a German Turn Verein a century ago, and traces of German architecture can still be found. Almost nobody even knows these existed in the past, German-Americans included.

        Now it’s wrong to feel your race or ethnic group is superior, unless of course it’s obviously false. Quality ethnic groups being quality, they’ve internalized this message.

        Jews get a pass on this because they were number one victims of Nazism.


        June 10, 2014 at 10:31 PM

    • Great. Just what a woman wants to hear – that she’s a man’s consolation prize. Maybe we should get Lion a T-shirt that reads “I spent years blogging and the only groupie I got was this old Italian broad.” At any rate, I’m no groupie. Groupies usually try to get into the bedroom. I’ve never even sent Lion a private email.

      As for ethnic pride, wanting to live near one’s own kind is not necessarily because he believes they are better than others. Different people have different ways. We usually feel more comfortable with the values and beliefs of people in our own ethnic group. Achievements are subjective. And the ethnic groups you mentioned all arrived in the U.S. long before Italians did. So they’ve lost most of their ethnic distinctiveness by now.

      As for Southern Italians being “African”, you might want to read the book “Blood of my blood” by author Richard Gambino. He claims that Sicily has one of the most diverse gene pools in Europe. The fact that Southern Italians in the U.S.have such a high intermarriage rate and are usually marrying others of European descent seems to indicate that few actually view them as African in any way. From what I hear, even Italian-Swedish marriage is becoming fairly common in the Midwest.

      Your move, Mr. VIking!


      June 11, 2014 at 12:41 PM

      • Come to think of it, I remember reading that Jackie Curtis of the Andy Warhol Factory fame was part Swedish and part Sicilian.


        June 11, 2014 at 2:06 PM

      • Southern Italy is very undeveloped and have been since the time of the Romans.

        Spoke to a lady who travels between Milan and New York as a fashion retailer, and have dealt with Southern Italians home and abroad, where she made a point that Italian Americans (who are mostly of Southern origin) are no different from their brethren back in their native land of Naples or Sicily or whatever nook and cranny they are from in the South. Of course, what she said wasn’t anything positive. Southern Italians are proles all around, whether in Italy or in America. It’s interesting she was also saying that the Chinese in Milan (there are so many of them now who are in the clothing business) shares a lot similarities with those Southern Italians — both crude, vulgar and uneducated. I guess the Chinese in America had their own legacy of organized crime.


        June 11, 2014 at 5:30 PM

      • . JS, you appear to be shameless. Do you never tire of trying to alientate someone who acts nice to you?
        Or are you jealous that Lion has a “groupie” and you don’t? ……(I’m assuming, you don’t, that is!) If it’s any consolation, I’d gladly read any blog of yours. In fact, I’ll give you the ultimate flattery. I’ve often wondered if you and Lion are really the same person.

        And if Italian men need to have their “crudeness and vulgarity” corrected, it surely can’t be done by someone who uses phrases like “cock carousel” and “pump and dump” on a public website when he knows ladies are present.

        All the best to you. Italians are known for holding grudges. But I never do. Because then you start thinking about revenge. And for obvious reasons, we don’t want to get a Sicilian started on revenge!

        An aside: do you think that Lion and I would make great partners running a website where we present the HBD viewpoint through two different lenses: Lion’s view that status is everything, and my view that status tends to be overrated in terms of what’s important in life. We could call the website “The Lion and the Lamb.” ………………….(just joking here!)


        June 11, 2014 at 8:40 PM

      • Also MaryK, Italy is no longer a country with much potential and is still stuck in its dusty past – you know, the greatness of the Italian Renaissance!

        Don’t get me wrong. Many educated Italians in Italy are a wonderful people, but somewhat on the insular side. They need to take a lesson from the Spaniards, who are a lot more open minded about the world and have demonstrated that not all Mediterranean folks are parochial minded. Spain has zipped through Italy during the late 20th century, both economically and culturally in a modern sense.

        But then, it all comes down to history and politics. The Spaniards were carvers of an empire, and the Italians were sculptors of beautiful statues. The Spaniards reinvented Catholicism and the Italians revolted against the Catholic Church. The Spaniards loved Franco and the Italians hated Mussolini. The Spaniards are poor individually and wealthy nationally, but the Italians are lot wealthier than the Spaniards yet Italy is dirt poor. Spanish politicians are like Don Quixote and Italian Politicians are like Don Mafioso, which is very true by the way. The Señor likes to brown-nose and the Signor likes to bribe, different political systems, but both are about corruption.


        June 11, 2014 at 10:46 PM

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