Enclaves for the intelligent but poor
Millions of very decent and good people can’t afford to live in upper middle class cocoon cities like what San Francisco is becoming. We need to allow the responsible members of the shrinking middle class and growing lower classes to isolate themselves from the worst members of the lower classes. People who lack the buying power to move to nice protected towns full of professional workers need ways to separate themselves from social pathology. Our current elites inflict section 8 housing and a growing immigrant lower class on the responsible people who can’t afford bubble city life. This is just so wrong of them. Our elites are our enemies.
If enacted, this would be a great idea. Create segregated enclaves for people who obtain a specified score on the SAT or some other well-calibrated test that’s highly correlated with IQ, but who can’t afford a market-rate apartment in Manhattan. Unfortunately, this won’t happen because liberals would consider the outcome to be racist.
It doesn’t need to be that coercive. Just go back to historical lending standards where _not_ anyone with a pulse qualifies for a mortgage, a car loan and multiple credit cards. And let interest rates return to their natural levels.
Stop letting practically anyone masquerade as a solvent member of the consumer class.
Let there be some incentive for future-time orientation, in order words.
Without massive gov intervention and bailouts, a family with future time orientation should accrue nicer things than a family who only thinks of the present, incomes being equal.
Fiddlesticks
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
Yeah, it is not just nicer things, but nicer people. If you live around nice people, you don’t need to be rich. In cities with tons of subsidized dysfunctional people, you need to be rich to escape nasty violent people.
not too late
July 18, 2014 at EDT pm
It’s a good idea. Sounds similar to my idea of the STEM bailouts. Many smart people are unable to use their full intellect because they are too busy trying to pay the bills; the stipend helps solve this by allowing smart people to focus their attention on making apps and other actives that create value, and being smart, their odds of success are greater than a typical unemployed individual.
grey enlightenment
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
Are you refering to the basic income subsidy when you say stipend?
JS
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
Yeah something similar to a basic income for individuals of demonstrable superior intelligence. Not sure how much means testing there would be.
grey enlightenment
July 16, 2014 at EDT am
Any solution short of dejure racial segregation will be harmful to whites. But I understand, baby steps toward dismantling the Civil Rights monstrosity we’re living under now.
A white person with 90 IQ is very different from a 90-IQ back in temperament, attitude toward sex and family, future time orientation, taste in music, and a myriad other things.
Lower-SES whites also need informal social contact with higher SES whites for aspirational reasons and guidance. Higher class whites also benefit from communal ties with blue collar whites–the malign downstream effect of the upper class white bubble is apparent in nearly every subject of discussion here.
PA
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
A 90-IQ white is a lot more like a 90-IQ black than he or she is like a 115-IQ white.
And 90-IQ whites are pretty much identical to 90-IQ Mestizo Hispanics.
Lion of the Blogosphere
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
Second statement is close-enough to true.
The first is unfair or incomplete… Honey Boo Boo’s family is dumb as rocks, but they’re nowhere near as dysfunctional a family unit as what is typically found in inner-city blacks. Married couple for starters…
anon
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
A 90 IQ white is dull . incapable of sophisticated or abstract thought
grey enlightenment
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
Lion once recommended that people should watch Jersey Shore about a documentary on guido proles. Does Lion think Idiocracy is a nice movie about prole IQ < 90 whites?
Latias
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
Idiocracy is a lousy movie. But the first season of Jersey Shore is hilarious.
Lion of the Blogosphere
July 16, 2014 at EDT am
“And 90-IQ whites are pretty much identical to 90-IQ Mestizo Hispanics.” Yes, they both work construction and in restaurants.
Concordia_Pete
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
Even if they’re the same are their friends and family the same (and equally likely to end up living with the person)? If they have children, are their children likely to turn out the same? When a person moves into a neighborhood their effect on it doesn’t come from that person alone.
Howie Stern
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
Poland and Germany are full of 90 IQ whites who noticeably do not act like 90 IQ blacks. On the other hand low IQ Russian whites exhibit a lot of the same disfunctionality as low IQ blacks. That suggests that nurture plays an important role. Most blacks and low IQ Russian whites have ancestors who were slaves/serfs only 150 years ago, and have inherited very distorted family and moral traditions. Both groups live in a culture where common criminals are celebrated as “rebels” and serving time in prisons is not viewed as shameful but as a rite of passage.
Peter Akuleyev
July 16, 2014 at EDT am
Lion,
Reality shows like Honey Boo Boo and Jersey Shore are not good barometers of what a 90-IQ prole may be like. The reason? Nobody does reality shows of inner city blacks.
The above is just a 3 minute news story. Imagine an entire show built around this woman.
The fact that you can even hang around 90-IQ whites with no security and tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment is a testament.
map
July 16, 2014 at EDT am
Oops.
Make that “white” 90 IQ prole.
map
July 16, 2014 at EDT am
My thoughts on this is that a 90 IQ Mestizo Hispanic would have more solidarity among his brethren. The white guy would obviously be more prone to individualism. Even low IQ whites are annoyingly individualistic.
Dave
July 16, 2014 at EDT am
The almost universal prejudice that an IQ100 Icelander is expected be a more desirable neighbor-citizen, and less inclined to join a mafia or engage in ethnic conflict and nepotism, than an IQ100 Israeli or IQ100 Saudi or IQ100 Sicilian or IQ100 Rwandan, is one which this blog misses few opportunities to evade.
The truth is that thousands of years of prejudice exist for a reason. That certain groups desire to emigrate and outmarry from their own ethnies for a reason. That the vast majority of humans will choose the IQ90 Finn associate over the IQ90 Honduran associate, if their prejudice isn’t punished or shamed, for a reason.
The reason isn’t that we “envy” Mexicans. Perceived character differences are not perceived that way due to hate, or mindless xenophobia, or sublimated jealousy of Mexican prowess.
Conversely, some minorities (even high-status, wealthy minorities) are almost universally beloved and desired as neighbors and marriage prospects. That’s also, generally speaking, for a reason.
trogs
July 16, 2014 at EDT pm
Isn’t a 90 iq white less violent? That alone is worth quite a lot.
not too late
July 18, 2014 at EDT pm
I don’t believe that 90-IQ whites are any more violent than 90-IQ Mestizo Hispanics.
Lion of the Blogosphere
July 18, 2014 at EDT pm
This is why white populations with higher percentages of 90 IQ whites used to not be considered white. You won’t find many 90 IQ whites in some very specific rural regions of the USA (following certain migratory trails). Your observation on low IQ whites and mestizos is about 90% correct, although I think that the 90 IQ white will be less egotistical and impulsively violent (in my observation). That’s a big deal. Everything else is roughly similar. But I can’t think of the last time I met a 90 IQ white person. The least intelligent whites of which I personally know, in very prolish neighborhoods, seem to hover between 100-105 (estimated from their job and conversation) unless they are older. 90 IQ mestizos seem to be a fact of daily life.
Jon
July 26, 2014 at EDT am
@Dave
Mestizos are not less individualistic, but more. Due to liberal propaganda, you’ve been trained to think that collectivism is for people of lower intelligence and individualism for those of higher intelligence. The opposite is true. The best of western society evolved from more efficient and effective means of social co-operation, not less. Political power, economic power, information conveyance, and so many other things crucial to first world west are a product of sophisticated community, not individualism. Individualism is for people who lack the cognitive ability to effectively co-operate or even realize the benefit of such behavior, as well as for unsophisticated persons who are prone to propaganda that is designed to remove their politically effective group instinct. Last, don’t confuse crude nationalism with effective co-operation. If Mestizos were actually good at co-operating with their brethren, then they wouldn’t be nearly as poor as they are. Conscious nationalism and unconscious co-operative instinct (as a matter of genetically determined behavior/impulse) can’t be compared.
@Peter
Germany is not full of 90 IQ whites, unless they are immigrants. The average racially German IQ hovers around 110. Thus, Germany is as full of 90 IQ individuals as are the other states with high average IQs. Don’t fall for the average “white” IQ trap. German engineering and manufacturing sophistication and quality is not a fluke of mere culture divorced from raw intelligence.
Jon
July 26, 2014 at EDT am
It’s all about sex Jon, not personality. People prefer the look of their own usually. That’s the one prejudice that will never die. And if you’ve lived in the US, or in some places in the US, you’ll come across a few of these people: 100% white, but they talk like and behave like blacks, and it isn’t an affectation, it’s the culture they grew up in.
pequenino
July 27, 2014 at EDT am
Any solution short of dejure racial segregation will be harmful to whites.
Better than segregation are large monetary citizenship or residency buyouts (illegals should be deported without compensation). If legal immigrants leave we don’t have to worry about their birth rates, controlling them, depressing white wages, filling up the schools, or generally taking up space which could be put to more productive use. They just go and become someone else’s problem.
And they are impulsive enough to take a buyout even though they’d be better off under most scenarios if they just remained here on welfare. It’s just a matter of paying them enough so most leave. The minimum should be $50,000 per family member.
One way to introduce this policy is to start with legal immigrant welfare dependents.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/06/20/Australia-Offering-Refugees-up-to-9-300-to-Return-Home
The Undiscovered Jew
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
You really think that upper class and upper middle class White people want to associate with lower class people of any race, even their own? Not gonna happen.
SC
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
They do. Prole shift is real, and many of them romanticize the prole life. I’ve seen it happen too often to deny it. Also, some choose to straddle the prole/middle-upper class lines.
Jon
July 26, 2014 at EDT am
A 90IQ white will have children that regress to a higher mean than a 90IQ black or Hispanic. He’ll also likely have been raised in a less broken home environment with a higher IQ family.
Lot
July 16, 2014 at EDT am
Regarding whites with lower IQs, here’s a story. About ten years ago I was living in an apt. complex in a famously affluent blue county. There were no blacks in the bldg. The rent for a 2 bdrm. was 2k/mo. Someone noticed that cigarette butts were piling up in the stairwell, and posted a sign saying, “please don’t drop your etc.. ” The next day, there was a new sign reading, “don’t try to tell people what to do you f****** snob.”
buckaroo
July 16, 2014 at EDT pm
Allow landlords to discriminate based on anything but race. If a landlord can prefer tenants that do have jobs and do not have illegitimate children or criminal records, their buildings will have less crime.
Beliavsky
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
Allow landlords to discriminate based on anything and everything, including race, as each sees fit–for good reason, bad reason, or no reason at all: that is to say, restore the individual right of freedom of association.
In America, that right is no longer recognized. The anti-discrimination laws have trampled it.
If the Non-Black races could discriminate against Blacks–if, in the course of exercising their right of freedom of association, they could refuse to have anything to do with them–it would afford Non-Blacks a big boost in quality of life–and serve as a powerful incentive to Blacks to behave better.
Jonathan Silber
July 16, 2014 at EDT am
In other words, be a Donald Sterling. There’s a reason he’s rich.
Curle
July 19, 2014 at EDT am
How gentrification happens? Poor people with high IQ (artists, new graduate of college, ect) are forced to setlle in poor and dangerous neighbood. With ever increasing poor yuppies, neighbood change face into better one (Gentrification). I personally knew quite a few of such poor brave nice white young people did that decade ago. Decade later, they become the owner of newly gentrified neighbood with good return on their investment. One lady who used to be a dog walker for me now becomes new landlord at gentrified neighbood. When she graduated with useless art degree, she could not make a decent living and became a dog walker in a big city. Then she developed her own dog walking business. At same time she lived in ghetto, it is true that she got robbed and raped once in that shitty place. But she had no choice but to stay on. On other hand, she was only few in the neighbood had future orientation and used her money to buy those cheap ghetto houses. Now she own over million dollar assetts in her middle age. She is boss now who no longer walk the dog herself and has more income from housing. Certainly happily married now.
IC
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
Only the white gentrifiers who BUY benefit in the long run from their gentrification efforts. Unfortunately, most of them rent.
Lion of the Blogosphere
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
That’s why the most civilized cities in the USA have rent control.
Lot
July 16, 2014 at EDT am
Slightly O/T – Liberal Northeast and Illinois are stiffling areas where the most people want to leave:
http://www.vox.com/2014/4/30/5668588/illinois-connecticut-maryland-gallup-interstate-migration-rates
JS
July 16, 2014 at EDT pm
Does anything like this exist now? I would like to live someplace cheap but safe and clean and still fulfilling to my upper middle class bobo tastes. Maybe parts of smaller Midwestern cities?
Early retirement hopeful
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
College towns are like this and why many of them have huge numbers of hangers-on who have graduated but work for low wages.
superdestroyer
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
Exactly right. We live in a college town. The school is 40 percent black, not without a few problems, primarily a refusal to really challenge the kids until they get to high school. But roughly 10 percent of the white/Asian students were National Merit Finalists the last two years. Eight percent of the white/Asians had a 35 or 36 on the ACT. More than 20 percent had a 30 or higher.
There are lots of small towns out there where people live a Mayberry existence, and often are able to get a decent education from the public schools. Oh, and we bought a house last year. It cost $85 per square foot, which admittedly is a bit below the local market rate of $100-125.
ColRebSez
July 16, 2014 at EDT am
I did this for a couple of years in Gainesville, FL (pop. 127K, 45K students) after my MBA in the early ’00s. I earned a very decent salary for the area and the time, but wages are mostly depressed due to an oversupply of labor. Though, Gainesville has a high crime rate (e.g. 700/100K violent crime) and 23% black.
E. Rekshun
July 16, 2014 at EDT am
Smaller cities/towns in the Pacific Northwest (Cascadia). Bend and Corvallis (both in Oregon) come to mind. Even Portland isn’t that expensive.
hailcascadia
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
Depends on your definition of cheap. Real Estate in portland is way cheaper than SF, Seattle, BosWash. But most in flyover country wouldn’t think so.
uatu
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
There aren’t many jobs in Portland compared to Seattle. Not a bad bet moving to a Seattle suburb and buying a place near the train or light rail stations. Places like SeaTac (light rail) or Kent are affordable. Plus Seattle is a Mercer Index city which means it is likely to continue growing (unless the economy collapses). An even better bet would be Vancouver, BC.
Curle
July 16, 2014 at EDT pm
Middle America, especially red flyover states have very little to offer for blue states bobo types.
JS
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
wrong
I like my 300sf NYC apartment
July 16, 2014 at EDT am
Minneapolis – Yes. Indianapolis – No.
JS
July 17, 2014 at EDT am
It’s pretty interesting, because east of the Mississippi there are plenty of small (<200,000 pop) cities that you've never heard of and are walkable and dirt cheap. I grew up in a small city in Virginia called Roanoke that is full of young folks moving there today from the elsewheres of the world because it has a walkable infrastructure and is generally a nice place to live. That walkable, approachable infrastructure just simply doesn't exist much between the midwest and the west coast.
Concordia_Pete
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
Last time I visited Roanoke I noticed all the crappy looking black neighborhoods. Here’s the demo for blacks in Roanoke: 26.74% African American. That’s a pretty high number.
Curle
July 16, 2014 at EDT pm
You’re generally right (the old slavery thing), but the neighborhoods around downtown have cleaned up a LOT in the last ten years. It’s actually astonishing.
Concordia_Pete
July 17, 2014 at EDT am
It’s called Dallas. Most places in Texas really.
Rotten
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
It’s very important to remember that the NYers who post here need to feel special about themselves, that NYC is somehow really really special and everywhere else sucks. Whatever floats their boats. If you find Chicago or Minneapolis dull, you might want to examine your pretensions. Or you might want to try something else to do besides sitting behind a computer screen.
I like my 300sf NYC apartment
July 16, 2014 at EDT am
I’m certainly looking to move. But most American cities, including NYC are dull, lacking in any sophisticated culture. Most people know nothing beyond their hometowns and are inundated with their careers, money and more money to makes ends meet, and the occasional downtime from working. We’re still living under a slave system and Jorge Videla is right; Americans make very good obedient slaves.
JS
July 17, 2014 at EDT am
@JS
If what you seek is sophisticated culture then you should set your sights on continental Europe. Having lived in several parts of Europe and several parts of the New World, I can attest that life is much richer in the Old World — less emphasis on bourgeois careerism, greater appreciation for the arts, better food (!), and a deeper pool of attractive, well-dressed, feminine women.
But be warned: If you do move to Europe — think: Spain (Madrid or Barcelona), Italy (Rome), Germany (Berlin or Hamburg), Austria (Vienna) or Belgium (Antwerp) — your cultural capital, which will steadily grow, will not achieve a favorable conversion rate upon your return to the US. That which is most highly-valued by residents of the Old World is less highly-valued by residents of the New World, and vice versa.
Yossi
July 18, 2014 at EDT am
@ Yossi
Yes, Continental Europe has the all great sophisticated cultural vibe that I’m looking forward, and all the other great things you’ve mentioned.
I was thinking of Francophone – Quebec Province up in Canada – closer to NYC as an alternative to CE. Montreal seems like a cool city, but I dislike very much the sight of NAMs, and Montreal has a lot of them, although blacks up there are not as prevalent as here in NYC and they seem to be a slightly better breed than African Americans.
JS
July 18, 2014 at EDT pm
@ Yossi
America is pretty much a done deal for the average citizen. Either you cowered to the capitalists who will exploit you so you can only get a meal or try to do all the things that Lion have been suggesting or what you have stated – going into bourgeois careerism, that is joining the ranks of the elite which has become increasingly difficult feat to accomplish, basically next to impossible for someone who comes from the lower classes.
In Continental Europe, many small business have cooperatives that stops greedy corporate vultures from swallowing their hard earned value labor, which prevents outsourcing and poisoning by 3rd worldism. Basically, small businesses are supported by local people to ensure they survive. Your typical American is an ignorant fool, especially the SWPL types who will support large corporate conglomerates that will exploit everyone at all costs to make a buck.
JS
July 18, 2014 at EDT pm
again a surprising FACT for american conservatives is that america has the smallest % of workers in small companies of any developed country.
jorge videla
July 20, 2014 at EDT am
Nowhere outside of Europe will have the sense of old culture to which you are alluding. NYC is plenty sophisticated, in certain circles, if you are culturally blind to the aspects of culture which only come from deep, old heritage that has filtered down from a culture that was once a monarchy. Mostly, Americans won’t know what that looks and feels like until they make it to certain parts of Paris. Not to sound snobbish; just restating what you are attempting to convey.
The fact is that almost everyone in the world makes a good slave. Jorge is mostly and idiot, and continues to prove as much by parroting worn, predictable, yet in-vogue Bobo anti-American sentiment. I can read the free city rag at wholefoods to get the same boorish opinion.
Jon
July 26, 2014 at EDT am
Nowhere outside of Europe will have the sense of old culture to which you are alluding.
Perhaps up in Francophone, Canada where Quebec province is located.
NYC doesn’t have any sophisticated culture of which we speak. It’s all about careerism and the strive for status and money, which seems more difficult by the day, and also tiring after awhile.
JS
July 31, 2014 at EDT pm
The middle class is vanishing in coastal blue states because nobody is allowed to build new houses. There is plenty of affordable middle class housing in red middle-America.
BehindTheLines
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
The presence of rich people causes living to be unaffordable for the middle class. The Hamptons became unaffordable to working-class fishermen after rich people starting moving there.
Lion of the Blogosphere
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
SF would be more affordable if you legislated Hong Kong style development all over the 7×7. At a certain point, there isn’t enough rich people to overcome a flood of supply.
But that would turn SF into blade-runner city and if you are a SF resident why would you vote for it?
uatu
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
Coastal areas are also full of affordable housing it’s just occupied by people that no one wants to live next to. If area like San Francisco ever became truly affordable the same thing would happen there as well.
Howie Stern
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
Correct. NYC has a swathes of housing projects. It’s amazing how travel guides just can’t evade the site of public housing buildings when they are showing pictures of NYC.
JS
July 17, 2014 at EDT am
Less dumb-ass gun “laws” too…
Festus
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
Absent government interventions, most of the poor would live in a very compact area in the oldest and most decayed housing. It would be relatively easy to avoid them. In the city I live in, over the last sixty years they would periodically tear down the worst slum and then the people there would move to another area of town and turn that into a slum. Then that would get torn down and the process would repeat itself. The people in the areas that the underclass were moving into always had the unpleasantness of dealing with the newcomers and would finally leave to get away from them. The liberals want forced integration but people can always vote with their feet. That’s really pretty much the only option now to deal with this and it’s not really a very good option. The liberals will eventually run out of middle class neighborhoods to try to forcibly integrate. The public schools in my city have already run out of middle class white kids and every school is predominantly poor minority children.
Mark
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
Kind of dripping with irony, no? The country has gone from having enclaves for the stupid and poor, to needing them for the smart but poor.
Progressive Democrats and to an extent RINO Republicans have adopted Tammany Hall writ large and the dissenters have been marginalized beyond the ability to do anything about it. Pretty shocking when I think about it in the arc of history.
Romney has derided for pointing this out. I wonder if he had been more combative and direct, calling it straight-up Tammany Hall, if it would have been given the same treatment. I think his statements would have been swept under the rug in that case. The truth would have struck a nerve Democrats are unable to argue with.
Portlander
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
Portland sounds to be the kind of city lion’s readers would like (I know it is insufferably hipster, but hipsters aren’t dangerous). That is Lion’s readers that aren’t biglaw, mbb consulting, wall-street bsd’s.
It is 3-4x cheaper real-estate wise compared to SF, about half as cheap as seattle, the demographics are the closest to what lion/sailer readers would like (though very low on the kid side).
The issue with portland is lots of college educated being undermployed by choice due to lifestyle afforded by portland/oregon. But if you can get a job at Nike/Intel you get the best of both worlds – pay to get very nice real estate, but also a safe and cool urban city that is cheap due to not many other high paying jobs
uatu
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
I’d rather live in Longview and make the long commute. I wouldn’t mind driving 50-100 miles daily as long as it was open highways. This is less trying on your car than driving 13 miles to work but spending 50 minutes on the road like my commute in L.A.
I’d prefer to live in a town of under 40,000 that is not an appendage of a large metropolis. I’d rather live where nice, mannerly White people live.
Socially Extinct
July 23, 2014 at EDT pm
Oh, so you’re that guy who actually WANTS to live in Longview. Nice to meet you! Wouldn’t it make a hella lot more sense to live in Vancouver and commute to Portlandia?
prontso
July 26, 2014 at EDT pm
Portland is NAM ridden, despite the Bobo image it vainly attempts to preserve. It’s future is bleak in that regard, and it will eventually be strangled by its own color-blind liberalism. The hands around its neck are about 1/3-1/2 closed.
Jon
July 26, 2014 at EDT am
Bull to the crap. Portland had a bare 50.5% majority white population as recently as the late ’90s, and now it’s approaching 80% because of a massive and continuing in-migration of whites who want to live around other whites in a big, exciting city, regardless of career opportunities. The historically black North Portland is being gentrified like a-crazy — some parts are hardly recognizable compared to just 10 years ago. The same thing is happening in Seattle, though they’ve got a long way to go before they achieve Portland’s level of whiteawesomeness.
prontso
July 26, 2014 at EDT pm
Okay, I stand corrected on Portland. Although, I can state that the census ethnicity map doesn’t look good, objectively, if one isn’t ware of the migration patterns that you enlightened us about. Usually when an ethnicity map looks like Portland’s does, its all down-hill. Furthermore, the continued and future predicted influx of Mexicans and California refugees up the west coast doesn’t exactly bode well for your prediction. Neither does the fact that Portland seems to listen to people when they cry about gentrification (referencing the Trader Joe’s incident). I hope that you are right, though, and the trend continues in the direction that you predict. I didn’t mean to offend.
Jon
August 5, 2014 at EDT am
I think Lion has taken my idea of affordable housing for college grads. The last resort to this mess is to move out of America entirely. Canada looks better by the day!
JS
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
“Unfortunately, this won’t happen because liberals would consider the outcome to be racist. ”
White leftist hypocrites living in gated whitopias in Portland or Seattle would certainly whine about it, but there’s nothing stopping a homeowners association from making a rule that the homeowner must document an IQ of at least 110 or whatever. Of course this would have the effect of keeping brownfolk out, but we’re not talking about employment, so surely an HOA can discriminate on the basis of an IQ test. But there’s no way in the world Uncle Samantha would experiment with such a thing in a non-HOA neighborhood because slavery.
coolhandle
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
Portland is currently Mestizo-topia with a healthy black population as well. In the next 10-15 years, most whites will have moved to the outskirts barring drastic gentrification that, to their own detriment, Portland whites seem intent on inhibiting when minorities protest it. That gentrification may eventually be unstoppable, however, due to the urban growth boundaries. Either Portland will eject a large number of minorities (undoubtedly after a litany of extremely expensive concessions to them as they cry, as well as anti-white media), or it will be abandoned by whites and swallowed up. I would guess that its relative economic relevance will play the largest part in that outcome.
Seattle is an economically weak (because it lacks economic diversity) asian-topia with a lot of whites.
Jon
July 26, 2014 at EDT am
WTF? You obviously don’t live in Portland. Mestizos are uncommon here, except in Southeast, which is the crappiest part of Portland. As far as blacks go, they’re being gentrified out and heading mostly south towards Salem. Yes, there’s a lot of whining and handwringing by the usual disingenuous white leftists about how horribly non-vibrant Portland is, and yet these same handwringers stay put in this horribly white city (rather than moving to ultra-vibrant DeToilet, let’s say) while those booooring whites just keep on keeping on, as Portland gets whiter with every passing day. Outside of Uncle Samantha declaring imminent domain to violently steal the property of whitepeople in Portland and handing them over to Vibrants, Portland will continue to get whiteawesomer.
prontso
July 26, 2014 at EDT pm
Obviously you haven’t been to Portland or you live on the east side. According to Unz, Portland is the whitest big city in the country. It depends on what counts as big, of course. Downtown Portland on Friday and Saturday night is nothing but young good looking whites.
pequenino
July 27, 2014 at EDT am
Unz was right. Here’s the data: http://www.biggestuscities.com/demographics/us/race-white-not-hispanic-or-latino-by-top-100-city. And Seattle is second. Where does Jon live?
pequenino
July 27, 2014 at EDT am
I’ve before crunched all of the pertinent data, straight from the census bureau (2010 Census), in Excel myself.
Portland is white by relative measure (no decent size USA cities are really white), but not really close to the whitest city. That award would go to Pittsburgh for cities over 100B in Real GDP. Portland only likely seems extremely white on the ground because the most liberal cities tend to be the most segregated. There are roughly 243,000 Latinos in Portland, a large number of which I would venture are likely Mestizo. Portland has roughly 64,000 blacks, 127,000 Asians, and 1,800,000 Caucasians. I do readily concede that it is a very liveable city for whites, by relative measure, according to my own ratio tolerance. See below.
In Excel, I before ( a few months ago) calculated a quotient that communicates how relatively white an MSA (metro statistical area) is by dividing the total NAM population into the total Caucasian population. The lower the number, the less white…the higher the number the more white. Asians were not considered into either the white nor NAM numbers. My personal livability tolerance would be a 5-6 at minimum, although i would prefer higher. Natural segregation also matters, but in general I prefer more white over less despite segregation. I’ve well earned that opinion by putting a lifetime into a city rated a 2. I’ve seen and experienced enough multiculturalism to have earned that opinion.
Here’s some sample statistics. A lot of white and non-white areas were left out. This is just a sample. The aforementioned quotient is labeled “Q”. The Real GDP, for size perspective, is labeled “GDP” and is in Billions. The first list is in descending order of white. Notice Portland, ME at 30. That’s white, and there are a few whiter. I call your attention to this only to lend perspective on the numbers for larger metros such as Portland, OR. The whitest town in the USA scores around a 36:
Portland, ME: Q30, GDP23
Spokane: Q14, GDP17
Pittsburgh: Q9, GDP104
Minneapolis: Q6, GDP189
Anchorage: Q6, GDP25
Portland-Vancouver: Q6, GDP142
Cincinnati: Q6, GDP92
Seattle: Q5, GDP228
Boston: Q5, GDP295
For perspective, a sample of larger less-white cities:
NYC-N.Jersey-LI: Q1, GDP1,173
L.A.: Q1, GDP670
Chicago: Q2, GDP489
Washington DC: Q1, GDP389
Dallas: Q2, GDP372
Philadelphia: Q2, GDP311
Houston: Q1, GDP385
San Francsico: Q2, GDP309
Detroit: Q3, GDP183
Denver: Q3, GDP147
San Diego: Q2, GDP154
St Louis: Q4, GDP116
Indianapolis: Q4, GDP98
NashvilleL Q4, GDP83
Jon
August 5, 2014 at EDT am
I am going to echo the sentiments of some previous commenters and say that is what the Midwest is for.
AsianDude
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
Exactly. Even the liberal whitopia of Madison, WI (6% black population) has median house price in the 200-250K range. Drops to 100-150K if you willing to live just outside and commute 30-40 min to work. Plenty of jobs, too: state government, flagship uni, some industry.
mapman
July 19, 2014 at EDT pm
Our elites won’t allow that to happen. Open borders and section 8 not only make them richer, but it screws over their competition, the uppity middle-class, as a bonus.
I see no way out for the vanishing middle-class but through political change. Either through an alliance with the lower classes, thus breaking the unholy pact between elites and proles and the dependent class (communism) , or by attracting ambitious elites away from the pack, with the promise of power (cesarism). Cesarism can be conservative (Franco) or progressive (fascism). Take your pick, I’ll be poolside, as Roissy uses to say.
BB753
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
Both the Republicans and Democrats claim to champion the middle class. The Republicans say the main enemy of the middle class is the poor and the Democrats say the main enemy of the middle class is the rich. The party that usually wins is the one that makes the most convincing case. A Republican strategy of not portraying all poor people as the enemy might be more effective. There are people with low incomes but who are fairly intelligent and well behaved and don’t like their less well behaved neighbors. I fell in that category when I was young. I had to focus more on making money than I really wanted to so I could move to a better area. Attempts to craft policies that would make their lives more pleasant like the one Lion suggested might pick up some of their votes. Portray the Democrats as the party of inner city criminals and welfare moms with five kids and not the poor in general.
Mark
July 16, 2014 at EDT am
” I’ll be poolside, as Roissy uses to say.”
Unless your superrich (and if you are, everything is going to plan anyway), there is NO poolside. Tell the former middle classes in Greece to hang out at the pool and enjoy the decline.
Mike Street Station
July 17, 2014 at EDT am
Steve Sailer has repeatedly said, “The worst thing about being poor in modern America is not that you can’t afford to buy enough food, it’s that you can’t afford to get away from other poor people.”
Oswald Spengler
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
That is absolutely the worst thing.
Jon
July 26, 2014 at EDT am
And that’s especially bad? It seems that if one is aware how disgusting his fellow poor are, he’s an outlier among them. Yet at the same time he’s reminded that there is a correlation between virtue and income however weak.
pequenino
July 27, 2014 at EDT am
“…that’s highly correlated with IQ…”
what does that mean. the sat and other entrance exams are iq tests though not described as such. and self-described iq tests are merely correlated with one another. sometimes not very well. give someone a battery of self described iq tests and the median range of scores is > 15 points.
iq is a test score, not a thing.
those who speak of it as a thing have been sold psychology’s pretensions to science.
jorge videla
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
Jorge, I’m not sure which is worse, your syntax or your choice of argument. Both are equally difficult to read and equally pointless to waste time with admonishment. Just STFU already. My god.
Jon
July 26, 2014 at EDT am
if you’d said, “the sat is strongly correlated with self-described iq tests.”
that would have been accurate.
jorge videla
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
While I wholeheartedly agree with the idea of people needing to self-segregate, I think this needs to be an organic process unhindered by the fiat of a government body.
Ron
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
I don’t know about the average IQ, but I notice a lot of bright city burnouts gravitating toward Boulder, Bozeman, Missoula, Eugene and other university towns. These folks have money, though, and stay holed up in their trophy ranchettes because the locals are not all that stimulating.
Still, there are some possibilities there for the less affluent. But wages suck, unless you get a cush college or government gig.
caroljm36
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
I think neighborhoods should have bodies based on coop boards that screen anyone who wants to rent or buy in the area. Each neighborhood can develop its own standards. This is the sort of common sense vitally necessary idea that both parties virulently hate.
Howie Stern
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
What about disparate impact?
Isn’t housing one of those area where racial discrimination isn’t allowed?
So, unless the coop approves blacks at 4/5 the rate it approves whites, they there will be $$$ to pay.
not too late
July 18, 2014 at EDT pm
This is one of the better ideas I’ve seen. Poor, hi-IQ enclaves would allow for assortative mating also. A minimum livable wage may be a solution to this, as hi-IQ will have the resources to move away from low-IQ, low-impulse neighborhoods.
If I were a billionaire, these would the neighborhoods that I’d be looking to create in the city. Spend that money on people, who’s children have a higher chance of returning your charitable investment in becoming productive members of society.
Taylor
July 15, 2014 at EDT pm
Move to Detroit. Get 50 like-minded couples together and buy 100 houses next to each other. That’ll cost maybe $200k total. Buy weapons and set up a perimeter camera system and 24/7 neighborhood watch, 2 women watching the monitors and 4 armed men with dogs as the rapid reaction force.
Then sell the other 50 houses to suitable families, and use the proceeds to buy up another 100 houses, and so on.
Dave Pinsen
July 16, 2014 at EDT am
Dave, that’s racist. The government would shut you down.
Newdist
July 16, 2014 at EDT pm
Aren’t the chinese doing something like that already? Buy next to them and expand in different directions.
Glengarry
July 16, 2014 at EDT pm
Detroit has high taxes and doesn’t have an accredited school system.
not too late
July 18, 2014 at EDT pm
I think I can join one of these enclaves. I would hope I could be paid to play on Pokemon Showdown. It is just like playing World of Warcraft.
Seriously though, who would be in these enclaves, since they are preserves for the intelligent people who cannot make it in American meritocracy?? The highly intelligent, but unambitious or unconnect? The artsy, liberal type of people. Nerds who like to play Dungeons and Dragons, Pokemon battling, and Magic the Gathering?
Latias
July 16, 2014 at EDT am
It’s extremely difficult to make it in the American meritocracy, if you were born in the lower classes. Even if you’re ambitious from a unconnected background, cards are stack against you in very restrictive fields, where you either have a slim chance of making it or fail miserably.
JS
July 16, 2014 at EDT am
Nerds are the anti-hipsters. Intelligent, but not arty. Usually, they have useful job skills and make good money.
CamelCaseRob
July 16, 2014 at EDT pm
Propaganda (not yours). Most nerds fail because social skills are undersold in their importance for even modest success and high intelligence is not limited to nerds (by a long shot).
Jon
July 26, 2014 at EDT am
Except that “social skills”, “communication skills”, “team work skills” really just mean you’re an extrovert. The APA has even considered declaring introversion a mental illness. So almost all of Scandinavia and Japan would be crazy. And that’s what extroverts think. If you’re not a loud, intrusive, vacuous sheep, there’s something wrong with you.
pequenino
July 27, 2014 at EDT am
social skills are undersold in their importance for even modest success
I used to believe this but the more I speak with people, the more it seems a prevalent knowledge that BS is the key to monetary and status abundance. Social skills are not undersold, it’s just that those who possess them don’t trump them loudly and publicly.
In the U.S., we are still contending with the ghosts of some meritocracy past. Those days are long over, if in fact, they ever existed.
Socially Extinct
July 27, 2014 at EDT pm
Instead of the band-aid approach, how about striving for system that rewards conscientiousness and intelligence? Nevermind, that’ll never happen. Band-aids it is, until the lights go out.
JQ
July 16, 2014 at EDT am
There should be a place for those poor people who are either conscientious and/or intelligent to evade social dysfunction. Still, I think I would like the company of intelligent slackers over the unintelligent conscientious people since the latter are more likely to be “prole”; the former are more likely to be stereotypical nerds and have stimulating intellectual interests.
Latias
July 16, 2014 at EDT am
the only problem is that given any genome the iq and conscientiousness phenotype for that genome will depend on the particular system.
man is a social animal. man is the social animal. a man without the society of other men is not a man. he can’t even speak.
you might like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Social_Animal_(Brooks_book).
jorge videla
July 16, 2014 at EDT pm
I suppose one reason why I liked Elliot Rodger was that he is obvious not a prole (with his BMW and metro vibes), but he was competing against the men from UCSB who have some money and are at least moderately intelligent, thus his competition for women are not proles,
Latias
July 16, 2014 at EDT pm
Elliot was prole. Went to a prole school and drove an obvious ‘have a little money but not much’ prole-series bmw.
the ‘right kind’ of white people drive teslas or subarus.
i would say the vast majority that go to ucsb are proles as well. Crass, lacking in finer bobo taste – yes, definitely prole.
uatu
July 17, 2014 at EDT am
I think you have a liberal definition of prole. To me “prole” are mostly working class people (the high proles value “family values”, tradition, and “hard work”), not people who are not SPWLs or bobos.
Latias
July 17, 2014 at EDT am
Are you sure you’re a Marxist-Leninist? You sound like a “capitalist roader” and part of a counterrevolutionary clique.
eradican
July 17, 2014 at EDT pm
Europe.
rivsdiary
July 16, 2014 at EDT am
Living in Europe: no. (Except perhaps in Nordic countries).
We are facing exactly the same problems.
Thomas
July 16, 2014 at EDT pm
Who is this Randall Parker? He sounds brilliant.
rivsdiary
July 16, 2014 at EDT am
He probably read LoftB before he made those comments.
A basic income subsidy and affordable housing for the college educated and poor, would be the elixir to cure our current malaise afflicting many decent people who are not the elite or upper middle classes.
JS
July 16, 2014 at EDT am
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July 16, 2014 at EDT am
The best commentator on this site in my opinion is Jorge Videla. Many may not like him because he comes across as sour grapes, but I think he sounds incomprehensibly brilliant at times and spot on. He reminds me of Jacques Lacan, a much hated person by the establishment, the French Psychoanalyst who was full of jibberish in his writings, Anti-American and Anti-Anglosphere as a person, and very perceptive when it comes to human behavior.
JS
July 16, 2014 at EDT am
I certainly respect him. I wish he posts fewer, but longer comments.
Latias
July 17, 2014 at EDT am
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eradican
July 17, 2014 at EDT pm
Jorge Videla eerily sounds like a resurrected Jacques Lacan with his anti-American comments and his Francophone habit of calling our beloved country Les Etats Unis.
Jacques Lacan spoke out against the American way of life, and that includes criticizing American Psychoanalysts and Psychologists, people in his profession, calling them lemmings or mere cogs to the American Capitalist Machine, who love crass materialism and undermine intellectual endeavors because of their profound love of money.
JS
July 17, 2014 at EDT pm
thanks js. and lion only posts half my comments.
oh well. i wouldn’t make a nuisance of myself if i thought anyone else was saying the same thing. despite proxies steve hsu found a way to ban me permanently.
and believe me folks, buth hsu and his commenters, which includes one goldman sachs partner, and many other such types, are less sophisticated than the commenters here.
jorge videla
July 19, 2014 at EDT am
GMAFB. You’re too easily impressed. His opinions are mostly also-ran reiterations of any common liberal pseudo-intellectual BOBO academian. He constantly yet subtly attempts to undermine the mostly agreed-upon philosophical premises of this site through a strategy of crude restatement of politically tainted opinions regarding the supposed validity of our premises. Over, and over and over again. As if restatements of rejected opinion aren’t the most tired form of discourse sabotage. The anti-American francophile schtick is so 2001. I think that he validates your sour grapes, which explains your attraction to his style. I don’t always agree with you JS, but you are a better contributor than Jorge by a country mile. Perceptive regarding human behavior? When?
Jon
July 26, 2014 at EDT am
My only sour grapes with America is the corporate rat race, and the boring and dysfunctional sh*thole that it has become as a result. Not to mention, NAMs and unskilled immigrants make your life a notch more unbearable.
Even the upper classes and perhaps the wealthy in America are just boring incurious people who’s never been anywhere of significance.
JS
July 31, 2014 at EDT pm
Not really a fan of Roosh V and his womanizing ways, but his site has this, which are the root causes of America’s problems. He sums up America brilliantly in one sentence.
The foundation of America is held up by the five pillars of lust: money, food, fame, power, and sex.
http://www.rooshv.com/7-reasons-why-american-culture-is-the-most-degenerate-in-the-world
There are men whose lives revolve around the accumulation of material possessions or status badges to impress women who have been trained to become drawn into anything that shines or sparkles.
In other words, Americans are just Pavlovian Chumps.
JS
July 31, 2014 at EDT pm
OT, but then again not OT, http://www.myfoxny.com/story/26030649/reporter-who-spoke-about-black-families-suspended
Curle
July 16, 2014 at EDT am
Would it be legal to have different IQ thresholds for qualification by race?
vic
July 16, 2014 at EDT am
Create segregated enclaves for people who obtain a specified score on the SAT or some other well-calibrated test that’s highly correlated with IQ, but who can’t afford a market-rate apartment in Manhattan.
You don’t have to DO anything, much less actively subsidize frustrated hipsters.
While we’re in the realm of Things That Will Never Happen, you could just abolish Title VII and replace all welfare with a monthly check, and you go buy your own welfare.
Among the other reasons this will never happen, elite whites hate being around non-elite whites even more than they hate being around blacks and latinos.
The Anti-Gnostic
July 16, 2014 at EDT am
the “philosophy major carpenter” type is not a fiction. and they can find places for themselves. some become expats.
harvard magazine did a title issue years ago on “blue collar grads”. lion might read it. there was a cabbie in nyc, a roofer, i don’t remember the rest. and the harvard yearbook from ’66 is full of smart drop outs, alcoholics, and losers.
maugham makes it plain as day that larry darrell is smarter and more sophisticated than every other character in The Razor’s Edge even though at the end he gives away his small inheritance to become a trucker. (until then it had afforded him an annuity of 30 k in today’s dollars. not much.)
jorge videla
July 19, 2014 at EDT am
I’m big fan of reading comments on city-data. Here’s a commentator summing up what NYC has become:
NYC is only livable if you have an income approaching $200K (or more), and it has become so expensive that the people who used to make it interesting—writers, musicians, artists, actors, etc. can no longer afford to live there. New York has become a magnet for hyper-materialistic capitalists, whom I find aggressive, obnoxious, nervous, boring, shallow, self-absorbed, and just plain mean. They’ve ruined New York for the rest of the population.
We could say most coastal cities in America are vapid materialistic towns. SF would be on par with NYC. It’s too bad Paul Fussell is dead, not to write a book about this phenomenon.
One thing that Lion or anyone here or most places didn’t tell you, is that many low income/welfare undesirables in NYC live in better housing conditions than the transplanted chump who rents his/her studio apartment @ 3K/month in anywhere. Public Housing in NYC is actually very liveable and desirable, if you have the kind of neighbors being discussed on this post.
JS
July 16, 2014 at EDT pm
both blankfein and howard schultz are from the projects, but i thought something changed a long time ago, and it wasn’t just race.
tobias schneebaum, my gay jewish hero, lived in some artist commune in manhattan. so did larry david. that’s why seinfeld’s apartment looks so worn.
aggressive, obnoxious, nervous, boring, shallow, self-absorbed, and just plain mean.
at a certain point every human being has to make a choice to be a specialist, a donkey hitched to a “sakia” ,or not. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ItbKyfuVQRQ/TGatKkQ1x9I/AAAAAAAAFAw/6Jaea6BSoXs/s1600/P1000627.JPG
but of course, it’s much easier if you were never a human in the first place.
as david suzuki observed in one of his The Nature of Things man first domesticated animals and plants. then he domesticated himself.
jorge videla
July 19, 2014 at EDT am
90% of your post reads like a non-sequitur. Superficially, some of it begins to read like it conveys content, but just when we are hooked and ready for the faintest hint of elucidation it then drifts off into another non-sequitur. This is a perfect example of why you suck. Fully explain WTF you are attempting to convey, for chrissakes. Better yet,…
Jon
July 26, 2014 at EDT am
I looked it up, and Jorge Videla was an Argentine dictator. What would be a more appropriate name? What’s the name of those shoes with toes? Vibram FiveFingers?
pequenino
July 27, 2014 at EDT am
That’s the beauty of reading Videla. He sounds like Lacan with his almost incomprehensible gibberish, which reads with clarity if one tries hard enough!
JS
July 31, 2014 at EDT pm
What’s also interesting about that post by Randall is one of the commentators was hinting that STEM majors will be living in these cocoon cities, and not for those who are not well connected or have a high paying value transference job. Of course, he’s wrong if society is just all about STEM and Value Transference types in these desirable cities. Just look at NYC and America in general, there’s hardly any social and cultural capital that the average person can access efficiently. Even wealthier citizens might need one of those educated middle class or lower class types to service them where a 3rd world immigrant or NAM cannot. Change will not happen for the better because of this reason.
JS
July 16, 2014 at EDT pm
Lion readers, please tell me what correlations overlap with this list:
http://www.brewersassociation.org/attachments/0000/6291/Capita_perbrewery.pdf
A list of states by population/brewery ratio from most concentrated to least.
uatu
July 16, 2014 at EDT pm
this explains it! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Nader2000percentagebycounty.svg/500px-Nader2000percentagebycounty.svg.png
jorge videla
July 19, 2014 at EDT am
that’s nader 2000 vote % by county.
“beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”
jorge videla
July 19, 2014 at EDT am
Not totally OT: This illustrated departure memo by a biglaw associate moving from Manhattan to SF to become a full-time artist captures the essence of SWPL-ness.
http://abovethelaw.com/2014/07/illustrated-departure-memo-of-the-day/
The artwork is pretty cool too.
Ava Lon
July 16, 2014 at EDT pm
A major point that needs to be explored in this:
1. Did her fiancee (who is noted as being a lawyer) also get to do pursue self-actualization like she is getting to?
If not, this is not relevant to anyone who reads lion – her departure memo is only relevant to elite-ly educated, above-average attractive women of which i doubt more than a handful read lion.
No – this is more like she gets to self-actualize but also enjoys the fruits of a large cash-flow lifestyle due to her fiancee toiling in the law.
I know a couple like this that got married two years ago – the guy works in big law, the woman had an ‘elite’ career path that she traded in for self-actualizing ‘career’.
I don’t think it works the other way around.
uatu
July 17, 2014 at EDT am
Bingo. I know a number of these early retired professionals. On the one hand, I’m glad they’re leaving to go make high-g babies. On the other, it’s an awfully time-consuming, wasteful process just to get this woman hooked up with her fiance.
The Anti-Gnostic
July 18, 2014 at EDT am
OT: David Brooks gently tells us individualism is over:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/11/opinion/david-brooks-baseball-or-soccer.html?_r=0
Glengarry
July 17, 2014 at EDT am
What a major, mondo sausage fest that would be.
Sheila Tone
July 21, 2014 at EDT am
By “poor” do you mean “un-ambitious?” Poor can be a temporary state but ambition seems to be as genetically determined as I.Q. Anyhow, there are many un-ambitious high I.Q. types living in enclaves in Cambridge and Somerville, MA.
Coemgen
July 21, 2014 at EDT am
Well, do you still remember Coca-Cola’s 1963 slogan: Things Go Better with Coke.
Clean the location with alcohol and buy some glue that especially comes for water pipes.
Because you cant just put the money in by leaving,
you’ve got to sit there and watch for every thing to have washed and dried.
Men and women grieve so very differently; it absolutely was some time before our everyday life calmed down enough that we could discuss letting go again.
consumidores.zendesk.com
August 8, 2014 at EDT am
America looks like a pigsty dump in comparison to Europe and Canada.
Further, many Americans are like zombies; they just don’t care about the country if it doesn’t affect them on a meaningful way. Here in NYC, no one of significance gives a damn about the filthiness of the city because it usually doesn’t affect them. They’re busy living the high life, oblivious to their surroundings.
JS
August 8, 2014 at EDT am
European cities with immigrant populations have deteriorated in the exact same manner.
All-white cities like Portland Oregon are nice cities.
Lion of the Blogosphere
August 8, 2014 at EDT pm
Copenhagen had one murder last year. One. That’s a lot lower than the murder rate for white Americans.
pequenino
August 8, 2014 at EDT pm