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Rock star scientist acted like a rock star?

Steve Sailer has a post about Richard Feynman’s womanizing behavior.

Why are people so outraged by Feynman’s behavior when much more egregious womanizing by rock stars, actors and professional athletes is glossed over? For example, Wilt Chamberlain claimed to have had sex with 20,000 women. Why isn’t there more anger over that? Jack Nicholson hasn’t been banned from Hollywood despite allegedly having had sex with 2,000 women (but only one-tenth of Wilt Chamberlain’s alleged accomplishment).

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

July 21, 2014 at EDT pm

Posted in Males and Females

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  1. Sailor’s post isn’t about Feynman, it’s about the Indian journalist who was fired for not condemning Feynman sufficiently completely.

    marty

    July 21, 2014 at EDT pm

  2. Rationalizing Answer – People who care about science, in spite of professing openness and nonjudgmentalism, are high IQ and more traditionally moral in their actual behavior, therefore expect moral behavior from scientists in the same way people expect moral behavior from ministers. Rock stars and athletes aren’t held to the same standard. Think of Razib’s post from the old old old Gene Expression that referred to a study breaking down sexual activity at MIT by major – the arts and humanities folks were the most sexually loose while the math and science students were pretty buttoned down.

    Real Answer – They just needed an excuse to fire him because of the semi-positive Wade review.

    Jokah Macpherson

    July 21, 2014 at EDT pm

  3. Feynman was a real character. He used to lecture men in bars on how to pick up women, and of course being a Nobel laureate the others listened to him intensely. Supposedly he also took undergraduate students with him to go go bars (and got visited by irate parents). His womanizing was nothing compared to the narcissist ego inflated rock stars, actors, and professional athletes, who, combined, make nowhere near the contributions to mankind and society that Richard Feynman did. Feynman is one of the giants of science, who, like Einstein, Schrodinger, Bohr, Planck, and all the others forever changed our understanding of how the universe works.

    Michael

    July 21, 2014 at EDT pm

    • He used to lecture men in bars on how to pick up women

      I wonder what he advised, and how closely it comported with the Gospel of Roissy.

      Samson J.

      July 21, 2014 at EDT pm

    • Yeah, but what kind of women was Feynman picking up?

      map

      July 22, 2014 at EDT pm

  4. Fidel Castro has reportedly had sex with 35,000, presumably largely due to implied or outright threat via his power. This would probably make him the most promiscuous living man, and even perhaps the most promiscuous man who ever lived.

    http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/260038

    Shawn

    July 21, 2014 at EDT pm

    • In other words, the world’s greatest rapist.

      Glengarry

      July 21, 2014 at EDT pm

      • Only if you accept the expanded, politicized definition of rape. If Jains were in power you’d be committing mass murder every time you take a step.

        shiva1008

        July 23, 2014 at EDT am

  5. “Wilt Chamberlain claimed to have had sex with 20,000 women.”

    It sounds like, for every one of Chamberlain’s women, once with him was enough.

    Mark Caplan

    July 21, 2014 at EDT pm

  6. I don’t think people are outraged by Feynman because he got laid a lot.

    They are outraged by Feynman because he was able to accurately articulate HOW he got laid a lot. Before anyone ever heard of “game,” Feynman was writing that you attract women in bars by being a jerk, and not by being nice to them. He was Heartiste before Heartiste was born.

    Feminists and their appeasers hate Feynman for the same reason they hate Heartiste.

    Aleph One

    July 21, 2014 at EDT pm

    • “Feminists and their appeasers hate Feynman for the same reason they hate Heartiste.”

      Exactly. He cracked the code and put it out into the open. Even better, he articulated it well. This code has given women a lot of power over men for a long time. It holds a lot of value. Now men can wield that value. So of course, the usual suspects do the only thing they can do, kill the messenger.

      When feminists actually learn what makes a woman attractive, maybe they’ll get the attention they crave. Don’t bet on it…

      It's not broken, don't fix it

      July 21, 2014 at EDT pm

  7. I don’t buy the Wilt Chamberlain claim.
    He was 69 when he died (yeah, go ahead and laugh). Assuming, he started having sex at 12 (very earlier, but this is Wilt, so let’s run with it), that leaves 57 years where he could have sex.
    That puts him at 351 different women each year.
    And that’s pushing it.
    There is no way that a 12-16 year old is getting a different girl every day. I doubt that 60-year old Wilt could get a different girl every day, much less Wilt at death’s door.
    I think he just picked a large number that ‘sounded’ good’, and went with it.

    Half Canadian

    July 21, 2014 at EDT pm

    • He was 63 when he died.

      ScarletNumber

      July 21, 2014 at EDT pm

    • Thank you for applying some dimensional analysis to this. It is amazing how few people are capable of taking a claim and seeing if it is even possible.

      superdestroyer

      July 21, 2014 at EDT pm

    • Read the Wikipedia article on him. He didn’t come up with that number, a friend did. It was based on a 10 day sample, extrapolated from age 15 forward. However, the same article says Chamberlain had problems getting girls in his teen years.

      CamelCaseRob

      July 22, 2014 at EDT am

    • It’s safe to say that math wasn’t Wilt’s greatest strength.

      Taylor

      July 23, 2014 at EDT pm

  8. How smart is wilt chamberlain? Is he like today’s NBA guys? Can we trust his estimation even at all?

    Anonymous

    July 21, 2014 at EDT pm

    • I thought the 20,000 women claim was to divert attention from rumours that Chamberlain was gay (which apparently there were many of).

      Graf von Jung

      July 21, 2014 at EDT pm

  9. The feminists at his research institution were just jealous he didn’t flirt with them.

    Only ugly women who men ignore care about “womanizing”.

    It's not broken, don't fix it

    July 21, 2014 at EDT pm

  10. A rubicon has been crossed in recent years. The left is unapologetically anti-science and anti-truth on a whole range of topics. Humans, leftist theology commands, are identical in all ways. All science that relates to human differences is heresy, and Scientific American favors leftism even when it means the suppression of science and truth-seeking. Anti-science American would be a more appropriate name for that media group.

    Dan

    July 21, 2014 at EDT pm

  11. He deviated from what is allowed to write at Scientific American. No issue with him getting fired. However, why would a self-respecting human read what MSM affiliated blogger writes? By the way, are we going to have Snowden alike that will dump ten years of all e-mails from one of MSM outlets on us? I would love to read it. Would be another nail in that coffin….

    MyTwoCents

    July 21, 2014 at EDT pm

  12. Most leftists know that leftist ideas are retarded, but the rantings of Allen Ginsberg, Shulamith Firestone, and Betty Friedan are all force-fed in institutions of “learning”. To remain in good standing with their cohort, useless “educated” people have to respond with one voice to those who articulate ideas that are counter to Ginsberg, Firestone, and Friedan. Everyone who thinks for a couple minutes knows that Feynman was right and every man who acts upon Feynman’s words will have a better life, but to deny the rightness of the freaks who wrote their dogma would leave leftists with nothing but the knowledge that their worldviews are detached and idiotic.

    runindogs

    July 21, 2014 at EDT pm

  13. OT but I totally agree with the billionaire on this one:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/billionaire-carlos-slim-argues-for-a-three-day-work-week/

    JerseyGuy

    July 21, 2014 at EDT pm

    • He had more kids than Castro but I doubt he had more partners.

      Shawn

      July 22, 2014 at EDT am

      • Mao Tse-dong is probably well up there also. Many powerful dictators probably top 10,000 partners in their lifetimes.

        Peter Akuleyev

        July 22, 2014 at EDT am

    • The original mongols were Central Asian/Mediterranean in appearance, many of them with dominant Caucasoid Iranic features, not your typical East Asian phenotype found at the colleges and universities. They should look like the people of modern day Xinjiang China, if they were actually Mongoloid.

      JS

      July 22, 2014 at EDT am

  14. From Sailer’s piece it appears the journalist’s greatest crime was failing to use the opportunity presented to evangelize about how bad the bad old day’s were (and how great things are now because of feminism, etc). I would have expected the same had he spoken well of Jefferson without adding a caveat about failing to free his slaves. We’ll all be speaking like North Korean serfs, “all praises to our dear leader”, in due time.

    Curle

    July 21, 2014 at EDT pm

  15. Feynman was not always lucky in romantic affairs. His first wife died of tuberculosis in 1945, after just a few years of marriage, when he was still at Los Alamos. Had she held out a year or two longer antibiotics would have become available and probably would have cured her. It took quite a while for Feynman to recover from the loss.

    Several years later Feynman married a very conservative Christian woman, Mary Louise Bell. By all accounts Bell actively pursued him and more or less latched onto him. After just a few years the marriage led to a spectacularly ugly divorce. Even though Feynman was only a relatively minor celebrity at the time, the divorce – specifically, Bell’s lurid allegations – got national media attention. Among much else, Bell claimed that Feynman preferred doing calculus problems to having sex. Even two years after the divorce, there was so much animosity between them that when Feynman sought a high-level security clearance, Bell wrote an absolutely hate-filled letter to the FBI in opposition.*

    Finally, when Feynman was past 40, he married a considerably younger British woman who was working as his housekeeper, and they remained happily married until his death.

    * = the name of the poison-pen letter’s author has been redacted from the official records, but it’s almost certainly Bell: http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2014/07/11/smeared-richard-feynman/

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    July 22, 2014 at EDT am

  16. Lion, let’s stop to think for a second, what does the term womanizing even mean? Doesn’t it have the subtext that the women were the victims of his deception? It assumes that women only want committed relationships, not thrilling casual sex with alpha men.

    Simply the term womanizing frames the issue in feminist msm terms. Fight the power, Lion!

    rivsdiary

    July 22, 2014 at EDT am

  17. The point is the Feynman was a great raconteur and funny writer, besides being a great physicist. His popular books (uncluding very good textbooks) and witty personality lead to him being admired quite out of proportion (compared to other Nobel Laureates of the same stature) by many students. His rank is much closer to Gell-Mann (mostly known to specialists, although he wrote at least one popular book as well) than to Schrödinger or Einstein.

    Of course nerdy physics students are especially awed by Feynman’s easy eloquence and wit, because that’s what they lack! If one doesn’t take nerdy physicists, but other successful men (including professor’s from other subjects) as points of reference, I do not think that Dick’s womanizing was out of proportion (just read Roth and Updike, apparently those were the days).

    nomen nescio

    July 22, 2014 at EDT am

  18. Addendum: I do not really understand how not finding that womanizing should not lead to damnatio memoriae for Feynman got this guy fired.

    nomen nescio

    July 22, 2014 at EDT am

  19. I knew the gentleman who came in 1987 to US to receive his diploma of election as Foreign Member of the USA National Academy of Science. Feynman and the gentleman knew each other by works, but not in person. Mutual friends had arranged telephone call, and the gentleman talked with Feynman for half an hour. They had a lot to tell each other. In half a year later that gentleman died; Feynman died year and a half later after that call.
    Anyhow, that gentleman had 6 kids: 3 from his wife, and extra 3 from 3 different other women, and actively took care of all of them (kids). That is, IMHO, womanizing !
    I believe that high testosterone is correlated with high level of _activity_ in science; plus evident influence of IQ on the _quality_ of the scientific results. To my knowledge, IQ is not positively or negatively correlated with testosterone.

    Immigrant from former USSR

    July 22, 2014 at EDT am

  20. I was saved from certain beta/omega-hood when I read “Surely You’re Joking, Dr. Feynman” and “What Do You Care What Other People Think?” at around age 13 or 14. Dr. Feynman was my introduction to the manosphere before there ever was one. If you know any teenage boys who are good smart kids but whom you think will probably have trouble attracting women in today’s society, give them this book. The kid’s parents will think you’re nurturing his interest in science, and you will be, but it’s the other stuff in the book that really counts.

    Kyo

    July 22, 2014 at EDT am


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