Lion of the Blogosphere

NY Times article about Oklahoma City

It’s quite surprising to find an article in the NY Times about people moving to Oklahoma City because of affordable housing.

Mr. Olson, 42, who was recruited by the Oklahoma Medical Research Foundation after finishing his postdoctoral work, said his family had not shed tears over leaving New York. “There’s a little less to do, yeah,” he said. “But now we can afford to do it.”

Isn’t the NY Times worried that now that the secret is out, everyone will abandon overpriced New York City and it will become the next Detroit?

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August 4, 2014 at 7:39 pm

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  1. On the topic of affordable housing, when are you taking up my suggestion to get hitched to a Polish, British or German girl?

    The Undiscovered Jew

    August 4, 2014 at 7:49 pm

    • Lion needs to move up to Francophone Canada with me. He’ll have enough French women going after him, when he tells them about this blog.

      JS

      August 5, 2014 at 8:52 am

      • I would expect that ethnic French women in Montreal and Quebec would have the same attitudes towards everything as white women in the U.S.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 5, 2014 at 10:00 am

      • Roosh found Montreal to be far more welcoming than Toronto.

        If you’re poorly adapted to environments where crass status signaling wins the day, then areas that are more nationalistic/cultural/historically minded could be a better fit.

        Fiddlesticks

        August 5, 2014 at 10:27 am

      • Well, for those game blog CH and Roosh V followers, they would disagree with you. Some of CH’s commentators want to move up there mainly because of that reason.

        And affordable housing is what makes Montreal attractive for the Class X types. For Quebec City, rents are even cheaper, but securing a job would be harder due to the limited job prospects up there and a strict adherence in speaking French.

        JS

        August 5, 2014 at 10:35 am

      • What’s the benefit of Quebec over Halifax?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 5, 2014 at 10:38 am

      • Quebec is more vibrant than Halifax. It’s like NYC w/o NAMs vs a Canadian Boston!

        JS

        August 5, 2014 at 11:04 am

      • David O’ Gorman who’s a professor and originally from FL has a documentary on Montreal. Too bad he didn’t interview any woman. They must have been turned off by his looks, but at least he didn’t waste time interviewing a black person.

        All I can say is that the pros outweigh the cons in a city such as Montreal. Halifax is indeed “Whiter” than anyplace in Quebec, but it’s less vibrant due to it’s less intellectually and artistically inclined demographic.

        JS

        August 5, 2014 at 12:01 pm

      • Oh man, don’t bother. Montreal is an awesome city, but it’s also a head-scratcher. Aside from the brutal winter — the city goes through a yearly depression — the city isn’t all that cheap. I lived on the Plateau and actually had a decent deal, but the rents have really shot up.

        My experience was that ethnic groups simply hung out together (Italian with Italians, Jews with Jews, Greeks with Greeks, Quebecois w/Quebecois etc.). There is a little bit of mixing but people seem to already know each from their communities/neighborhoods. I really doubt Lion would get anywhere French girls there. You really have to be plugged into their culture (music, books, tv etc.). I speak the language and it still took me some serious work….

        As for Quebec City, that would be too much of a culture shock for Lion (and most anglophones). It’s a pretty small town, and St. Foy is not exactly bilingual.

        SWPL2

        August 5, 2014 at 1:08 pm

      • @ SWPL2

        People are thinking of moving with a last resort mentality. America seems like it might implode and descend into chaos in a few years. Lion could always come back if America stays put, but how likely?

        JS

        August 5, 2014 at 2:03 pm

      • I’d advise Lion to avoid French women for marriage because they cheat. I’d rank the best fits for Lion as follows:

        1) Polish – while Poles will appreciate Lion’s high income they’re less likely to be gold diggers than Russian and Ukrainian girls, are attractive, and, like Eastern European women in general, are tolerant of beta/intellectual hobbies.

        2) German – Arguably the smartest and best educated in Europe, the odds are good one will appreciate Lion’s high IQ. Their cold personality’s match Lion’s and they’re reasonably attractive, albeit not as hot as Eastern Euro chicks.

        3) British – They’re good conversationalists and might appreciate Lion’s bizarre sense of humor. Downsides are they’re otherwise essentially a better educated version of American women with a weird accent. And they’re not as attractive as German women. They do have large boobs.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 5, 2014 at 6:01 pm

      • Yes, Toronto ties DC for ‘worst women imaginable’. There’s good reason the major game bloggers are originally from those two wastelands.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 5, 2014 at 6:03 pm

      • Lion – you are completely wrong. Montreal native women are the best in North America.

        uatu

        August 5, 2014 at 7:14 pm

      • Montreal is an awesome city, but it’s also a head-scratcher.

        A couple of years ago, my 30-year old cousin was brutally stabbed outside a Montreal bar. He’s still recovering.

        A lot of French Canadians spend the winters in small beachfront apartments in Hollywood, FL. Most are retirees, but quite a few in their 30s to 50s. I wonder how they had so much time off. They seem prolish.

        E. Rekshun

        August 5, 2014 at 7:43 pm

      • My best friend just moved to Montreal after meeting the love of his life there, after I suggested we go to the that city’s Mutek festival. Lucky fella, and the last girlfriend he moved out of the country for (briefly) was Danish. He seems to have a knack for meeting women from places that are culturally interesting and also good for raising families.

        I’m not convinced that Montreal winters are enough to make it not so great. But that’s easy for me to say, being a Cali guy.

        Dain

        August 5, 2014 at 9:52 pm

      • Lion isn’t going to find one of those women easily in NYC. Obviously, he has to move to those respective countries to find one.

        JS

        August 5, 2014 at 10:22 pm

      • I’m not convinced that Montreal winters are enough to make it not so great.

        Montreal’s winter would be similar to that of Upstate NY and New England with the same latitude. Winter is only about 4 months out of the year.

        JS

        August 6, 2014 at 9:14 am

      • Montreal native women are the best in North America.

        Many women in Montreal are bilingual and quite a number of female college graduates in International Studies speak more than 2 languages. We on the other hand have a lot of Latin American undesirables who speak atrocious English and Spanish. We are living in a cultural wasteland!

        JS

        August 6, 2014 at 1:40 pm

  2. Read the story yesterday. All those SWPLs from LA/Seattle are going to vote for Democrats. Who will pass laws that raise the cost of living. Causing people to move on to other cities, repeating the cycle.

    Tl;dr – SWPLs are locusts

    dsgntd_plyr

    August 4, 2014 at 8:07 pm

    • Exactly! It’s slowly been happening in NH w/ relocating MA liberals and in FL w/ relocating northeastern liberals.

      E. Rekshun

      August 5, 2014 at 10:52 am

  3. OT: article on big data, surveillance, and Singapore that I haven’t seen mentioned on any of the HBD blogs I read. This has everything including hate speech, diversity, immigration, reactionaries, job killing robots, and how this all might work for the United States.

    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/07/29/the_social_laboratory_singapore_surveillance_state

    Robert

    August 4, 2014 at 8:12 pm

    • My blog might be deemed “racist” and therefore illegal in Singapore.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 5, 2014 at 6:57 am

      • Actually the Father of Singapore, Lee Kuan Yew, is the most openly race realist world leader in modern history. He criticized the mass immigration of mestizos into America on HBD grounds on some roundtable similar to Charlie Rose (maybe it was Charlie Rose) and this isn’t even his country! Needless to say the host tried to stop that thread.

        He explains that democracy cannot work in Singapore because Singapore is a multiethnic society and people will vote according to their own ethnic identity rather than on issues.

        So instead, it is more likely for Singapore’s main man Lee Kuan Yew to be censored in the West.

        Dan

        August 5, 2014 at 8:52 am

      • Charlie Rose: “And immigrants has [sic] been America’s strength.”
        Lee Kuan Yew: “Absolutely … But, mind you, immigration of the highly intelligent and highly hard-working, very hard-working people. If you get immigration from the fruit-pickers [chuckles for several seconds at the idea], you may not get very far!” – Lee Kuan Yew, Former Prime Minister of Singapore

        “In multiracial societies, you don’t vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion.” – Lee Kuan Yew

        Wade Nichols

        August 5, 2014 at 12:07 pm

      • Singapore is another failed Asian society that lacks culture, and it’s pretty much a boring, unimaginative and unremarkable country with the pursuit of zero sum wealth that characterizes your typical Chinese. Take a group of Asian grinds and make them into consumerist automatons and you’ll get a Singapore.

        JS

        August 5, 2014 at 12:36 pm

      • Singapore has the highest GDP per capita of any nation, and the streets are clean and safe. Have you actually spent time in Singapore such that you are an expert on Singaporean culture?

        There are LOTS of things to do in Singapore: http://www.sistic.com.sg/

        There’s also a big art museum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_Art_Museum

        There’s probably more culture in Singapore than in any U.S. city other than New York or DC.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 5, 2014 at 12:41 pm

      • I have to say Japan is 100x more interesting than Singapore. The Japanese are clearly more creative than the Chinese by a mile who can’t imitate with great precision and perfectionism, and the cultural output of the Japanese are by far more worthy/interesting than anything coming from the Chinese.

        JS

        August 5, 2014 at 12:46 pm

      • Japan is a much larger country with 25 times the population of Singapore, so because of numbers Japan will have 25 times as many creative ideas and products.

        I’d move to Singapore if the real estate weren’t so expensive. It’s a lot less expensive to move to Oklahoma City.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 5, 2014 at 12:53 pm

      • Not sure about that. Singapore is described as cold and sterile even among Asians who visit the country from elsewhere.

        JS

        August 5, 2014 at 12:53 pm

      • I heard there is a “Japanese” version of Hooters in Tokyo, where scantly clad waitresses with part robot armor and their faces covered for anonymity serve you expensive sushi. Perverse, but the idea is far more interesting than that of Hooters.

        JS

        August 5, 2014 at 1:04 pm

      • I’ve been to Singapore & it’s every bit as impressive as the Lion claims. I’d move there in a heart beat.

        pumpkinperson

        August 5, 2014 at 2:24 pm

      • Trashing Singapore is prole. 🙂

        pumpkinperson

        August 5, 2014 at 2:30 pm

      • Assuming that the article I posted is accurate, no one who writes, reads, or comments on HBD blogs should think that Singapore would be a desirable place to live.

        I could be wrong, but it seems like Singapore has bought into the conventional economic wisdom of most developed nations: if your TFR is below 2.1 and you expect GDP to rise, you’d better welcome immigration even if your average citizen doesn’t want it.

        Does anyone know if Lee Kuan Yew’s eugenic policies are still part of the national consciousness in Singapore? It seems to me like the entire country has recently become middle class and an expanding service industry would seem to benefit their elite while depressing wages for whatever population group is prole there. Do they still care about the IQs and work ethic of their immigrants, or do they just want to grow grow grow like we do?

        Robert

        August 5, 2014 at 7:20 pm

      • Only immigrants who can get a high-paying job are allowed in, and they have 2 weeks to leave the country after they lose their job.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 5, 2014 at 9:25 pm

      • “Singapore has the highest GDP per capita of any nation”

        Pshaw! Singapore is no more a “nation” or a country than Andorra, Lichtenstein, Luxembourg, Bermuda, Honk Kong, Qatar, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi, Dubai, or Monaco. I’m sure I missed a few.

        And it’s not the richest anything! in the first place.

        Lee Kuan Yew is just the typical chinaman with the ‘rhoids. I’ve met a million of ’em.

        pequenino

        August 6, 2014 at 2:56 am

      • If NYC or SF or Copenhagen were a “nation” or a “country” it would make Singapore look like Tijuana.

        pequenino

        August 6, 2014 at 3:02 am

      • And even GDP PPP per capita can be near meaningless. Here’s median household income PPP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_household_income. Sing Sing isn’t on the list. But Austria, Canada, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Holland are, all countries with ginormous governments and higher taxes than the US. But then median household wealth is another story: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_per_adult. The US is just a smidge above Portugal and a smidge below Slovenia. BRAVO! WE’RE NUMBER ONE! Ohhhhh… WE’RE NUMBER 23?

        pequenino

        August 6, 2014 at 3:17 am

      • JS makes good points about culture. Unfortunately or, perhaps as just a matter of the evolution of civilization, what matters is what is on paper and it is likely to stay that way for the foreseeable distant future; lest we get hit by a meteor and need to rebuild civilization.

        What we would consider to be ‘high culture’ is not longer evolving, anywhere, in any significant manner. There is lots of reproduction, but no real evolution occurring in any particular place. In the absence of such a cultural epicenter, what we are left with is 1. social statistics 2. individual accomplishment toward further evolution in high culture – usually accomplished today in a limited manner and in random places 3. niche modern cultural phenomenon (not high culture) such as Japanese anime culture and the like. Japan reproduces a lot of its old, high culture, which is interesting and valuable like going to a museum is interesting and the art inside is valuable, but it wouldn’t trump Japan’s social statistics as cultural/livability priority (if they were bad) because it isn’t really alive.

        What I know, from having lived in Asia, is that it is quite impossible to predict if you will enjoy living in any one country in Asia before you go there. What seems exciting or livable from a distance might be stifling and soul-killing in person. The reverse might also hold true. I could see Singapore being much more livable than many if not most Asian countries, if you are okay with and even can appreciate a little fascism. Japan is great from a social and economic perspective, but the language barrier is enormous and would lead to significant isolation from the native Japanese until you learned the language (5 years of active study, minimum). There are a lot of foreigners there, though. South Korea sucks, and I know of a guy who killed himself after he moved from South Korea to China. Many find their niche in Asia, but in my experience the type of person that could stick it out is a low percentage of people. Though, sometimes it takes experiencing the hardship of living away to appreciate how convenient and easy home is.

        Jon

        August 7, 2014 at 10:07 pm

  4. Presumably, as long as NYC has strong fundamentals, that won’t happen. People leaving and easing the housing crunch should be a bonus for its residents, to whatever extent that actually happens.

    trumwill

    August 4, 2014 at 8:15 pm

  5. But New Yorkers rightly disdain Sooners. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okie_Noodling Perhaps too much. But “provincial” is an apt term for those outside Manhattan and a few other centers of intelligence. But at the state level? Brother’s Keeper was about two New York dairy farmers.

    But Topeka and Daytona Beach have a lower median single family home price to median income ratio.

    It’s surprising a man so smart (?) as lion hasn’t posted on WW I. No other event in human history has shown so clearly the incompetence and stupidity of the elite. As Mick Jagger, of all people, said, “Americans are patriotic. All that nonsense stopped in Britain after the First World War.”

    pequenino

    August 4, 2014 at 8:35 pm

    • America is only good for money making endeavors. Take this sole purpose away, and it’s terrible place to live.

      JS

      August 5, 2014 at 8:57 am

    • Daytona, like most of the Florida, has enough dysfunction, NAMS, rednecks, pedophiles,and overall degenerates to keep most descent New Yorkers from moving here. Most of the New Yorkers I have personally meet down here in Florida seem to be druggies, losers, or prole retirees looking for cheap housing.

      deepfriedsouthernprole

      August 5, 2014 at 9:59 pm

  6. Brooklyn herbs know full well that their irony-based SMV would take a big plunge in a macho town like OKC.

    And woe to the financially stretched man who tries to get his gf or wife to give up her “Sex and the City” fantasy for flyover America.

    Imagine you were Catherine Rampell’s fiance. Would you want to say, “Honey, we’ve got to move to OKC?”

    It reminds me of the illegal alien quoted in a 1990s oral history: “All of us guys are homesick and want to go back to Mexico, but we can’t…our wives have become addicted to shopping at the malls here.”

    ATC

    August 4, 2014 at 8:54 pm

  7. You and Steve Sailer made posts about the same article only seven minutes apart.

    ScarletNumber

    August 4, 2014 at 9:05 pm

    • Great minds think alike. And I posted an excerpt from this NYT article on Steve Sailer’s blog before both of these two esteemed bloggers (and I’m a Prole).

      E. Rekshun

      August 5, 2014 at 11:00 am

  8. I have heard more than once that 58% or so of New Yorkers say they would leave “if they could”. Not sure if this is Manhattan only, or all boroughs. I don’t know about NYC, but the state as a whole is certainly losing population relative to other states. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/22/nyregion/22nycensus.html?_r=0 and http://www.forbes.com/sites/jennagoudreau/2013/02/07/the-states-people-are-fleeing-in-2013/ http://www.gallup.com/poll/168770/half-illinois-connecticut-move-elsewhere.aspx

    Truth

    August 4, 2014 at 9:13 pm

    • Liberal Northeast has become unbearable for many that they want to leave. Overpriced housing, lack of jobs and too many NAMs for those who know better.

      Chicago will probably become like their next neighboring city before NYC does, but the NYC is heading that direction as well.

      JS

      August 5, 2014 at 8:47 am

      • And killer property taxes. Over the past 20 years, nearly all of my family has relocated from MA to FL. Last week, I heard from an old high school friend for the first time in 30 years; he just paid cash for a $400K waterfront home on FL’s east coast. He & his stay-at-home wife plan to get a boat and retire to FL next year at 50 y/o. He’s done very well as a union sheet metal worker (is that prole?).

        This year, FL surpassed NY to become the country’s third most populous state. When I moved here in 1990, FL’s population was 10 million, it’s now 20 million!

        E. Rekshun

        August 5, 2014 at 11:07 am

      • FL has 10 million people more in less than 30 years from 1990? Proles retiring from NYC and a huge influx of Latin American undesirables are the 2 reasons.

        JS

        August 5, 2014 at 11:45 am

      • Cubans have been a good influence on Florida.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 5, 2014 at 11:49 am

  9. It’s not exactly a secret that the cost of living in general and housing in particular is lower in the middle of the country. Of course, if you are a fan of Broadway or of seeing celebrities on the streets, than NYC is worth it at any price. But if you’re of middle class means and are looking for a good place to raise kids, then I would guess Oklahoma City beats NYC hands down.

    Mike Street Station

    August 4, 2014 at 10:02 pm

  10. Oh look, Aasim Saleh moved to Oklahoma City! Well Oklahoma City is only 62% white, believe it or not. So diversity has already taken its toll.

    peterike

    August 4, 2014 at 10:07 pm

    • I recommend Lincoln, Nebraska with 80% White.

      JS

      August 5, 2014 at 8:50 am

  11. Fewer dens on iniquity admittedly, but Oklahoma more than makes up in family friendly suburban malls and chain restaurant dining experience.

    Roli

    August 4, 2014 at 10:08 pm

    • Sounds prole.

      E. Rekshun

      August 5, 2014 at 11:08 am

  12. Aren’t you worried? I thought you lived there. Yet you’re further spread the secret.

    pumpkinperson

    August 4, 2014 at 10:18 pm

  13. Oklahoma City is the most conservative large town/small city in the USA. NYC liberals will be in for a rude awakening on that front. Oh, and it has super-massive Tornadoes. In 2014, what is cheap in the USA tends to be cheap for a reason. I hear that the people are nice, though.

    Jon

    August 5, 2014 at 12:41 am

  14. …also, good luck getting a white collar job in an economy that small.

    Jon

    August 5, 2014 at 12:42 am

    • You’re joking, right? Oklahoma City is the next Houston: cheap housing, lots of white-collar jobs revolving around the oil & gas industry, relatively safe and NAM-free. And most importantly, FREEDOM!

      This is a current excerpt out of CoStar’s analysis (huge real estate data provider) of Oklahoma City:

      “Oklahoma City continues to “power” on. Employment growth continues to outperform that in the rest of the nation, and the unemployment rate of about 5% is well below the national average. The metro has seen a number of corporate relocations including Boeing (aerospace) and Continental Resources (energy), which is a trend that should continue as companies look to take advantage of the market’s low business costs.
      The jobs gained from these moves, combined with the residual employment they’ll bring, represent a significant windfall for Oklahoma City.

      “Oklahoma City dodged a bullet, as government spending cuts won’t have a major impact on the metro. Approximately 7.5% of the gross metro product (GMP) is tied to government civilian and defense spending, ranking it sixth in the National Index in terms of exposure to government spending. In Oklahoma City’s workforce, one person in every five is employed in the government sector and the metro’s two largest
      employers are the State of Oklahoma and Tinker Air Force Base which together employ 69,000. Prior to a budget deal being finalized, it was expected that OKC would see a dramatic decrease in government-related job growth, especially around health facilities like the Veterans Affairs Medical Center and military installations like Tinker Air Force Base and the FAA Aeronautical Center. While the job growth related to these facilities won’t be like it was in past years, there also won’t be any major decreases due to consolidations or cut-backs. In fact, the government has added more net new jobs than any other employment sector in Oklahoma City, and growth for the sector is expected to stay positive in the near term.”

      DdR

      August 5, 2014 at 2:52 pm

      • You just quoted/posted something that touted okc’s exposure to government money/make-work? I thought red states hated those on the government tit?

        Your article makes OKC less appealing, not more.

        uatu

        August 5, 2014 at 7:23 pm

  15. “Isn’t the NY Times worried that now that the secret is out, everyone will abandon overpriced New York City and it will become the next Detroit?”

    Not if it can keep immigration up.

    Herb Dregs

    August 5, 2014 at 1:15 am

    • NYC is stuck in the 80s mode in terms of aesthetics and its infrastructure is crumbling, albeit minus the perpetual violent crime back in the era. The city is still full of NAMs, very dirty and smelly in certain times, depending on the weather.

      Wall St and Law were and still are the main conduits of the city’s economy, which are gradually fading into the background without any new industry to take their place.

      Let’s say the Happy Days of NYC is disappearing fast. It’s no longer the Giuliani era where gentrifying NYC was a fresh and exciting novelty or the Bloomberg years of delusional happiness coming from the fruits of a ponzi scheme that became apparent after the financial crisis of 2008.

      JS

      August 5, 2014 at 5:58 pm

  16. Lion is probably caving into my suggestions that NYC is a bad place to live going forward.

    JS

    August 5, 2014 at 9:02 am

  17. I keep on telling you guys – pacific northwest suits hbd types the best.

    Yes, more expensive than flyover country, but nowhere near as expensive as the north east. The added cost over flyover country is more than worth the added benefits of more temperate year round climate, access to outdoors activities, and a better quality of human capital.

    Colorado for all intents and purposes has more in common these days with the pacnw than middle of the country.

    uatu

    August 5, 2014 at 7:21 pm

  18. I can’t imagine that OKC women are very attractive, at least as compared to NYC, Miami, and LA. But, they’re probably more pleasant and less materialistic.

    E. Rekshun

    August 5, 2014 at 7:47 pm

  19. On July 2,1990, Amy Pagnozzi wrote in her NYPost column:

    “New Yorkers get assaulted, mugged, burglary–they stay put. But let them take a vacation, go off on a business trip, visit a friend out of state, and this window on another life can push them out. It happens like this:

    An out-of-town friend who makes half your salary takes you to dinner in his car to an all-you-can-eat restaurant for $5.99 [well, it WAS 1990]. He drives home, there’s this parking space waiting. He doesn’t remove his radio or leave the glove compartment open. He doesn’t open the futon for you. He has a guest room. You fall asleep listening to crickets.

    He makes half your salary, and he has a house, a sundeck, a chaise longue, a Weber grill. You have a studio apartment where you eat Chinese food out of the carton on an Ikea convertible. You get home from work after 8 every night so you can get out from under your six-figure mortgage and real-estate taxes (which are going up). You will never have a washing machine, and you are one of the lucky ones. You look around at your fellow New Yorkers and actually feel guilty about your good fortune.

    Or you stop looking, get the hell out. According to a CBS/New York Times poll, three out of five New Yorkers hope to live elsewhere four years from now. Who loves New York? The city is, in fact, rethinking its participation in the state’s “I Love New York” campaign, which sounds dated now–though finding a new slogan is going to be tough.

    If you can make it here, can you make it better anywhere? ”

    And that was BEFORE Timothy McVeigh.

    sestamibi

    August 5, 2014 at 8:19 pm

    • I’ve only been to new York city once in my life & have had no desire to go back. In fact I never even think about it except when I read this blog. All I remember is a lot of crowds, horrific traffic & a really boring broadway play. I like people who are genuine & a little naive, not pushy, motor-mouthed, cynical, artsy neurotic political new yorkers. I feel sorry for anyone who has lived their whole life in NYC because they have no idea what it’s like to grow up in a small town with real people & appreciate nature & the stars. I don’t even like movies that take place in New York.

      pumpkinperson

      August 5, 2014 at 11:11 pm

    • What’s this anti NYC hate-fest about. The discomforts of small condos, using public transit and dealing with neighbors who don’t appear to be of Scandinavian stock, is what living in a really big city is all about. Existentialism is good for the soul and culture. Download “West End Girls” by the Pet Shop Boys and appreciate what the urban/urbane lifestyle is all about.

      Roli

      August 6, 2014 at 3:24 am

      • For many people, NYC lacks a quality of life. Cost of Living is too high, unless you are in a value transference industry. And it’s not necessarily getting a bang for your buck. Reasons citing it’s an ugly/dirty city with poor housing stock and many NAM undesirables running around to say “no thanks” for a lot of people.

        JS

        August 6, 2014 at 9:19 am

      • In today’s NYC, in order to live comfortably, you either work in a high paying value transference field or move into city with established wealth. It’s no longer a town for strivers.

        JS

        August 6, 2014 at 9:23 am

      • Are there any value-creation fields in NYC? Finance/banking, media, fashion and law are the typical industries in NYC.

        Only public accounting firms create value (since it’s a sort of necessary function for a large corporation, although one could argue that 75% of the work they do is related to government regulations and tax compliance and only 25% is work that would need to be done in a laissez-faire economy.)

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 6, 2014 at 9:28 am

      • Corporate Lawyering is also a necessary function for many big companies. It’s in the same category with Public Accounting but more prestigious. But you would say Law is a value transference field. I think both industries are about value transference.

        JS

        August 6, 2014 at 9:36 am

      • Yeah? Well you can keep that, OK? I’ll bet you’ve never lived there, while I can speak from experience because I grew up there and couldn’t wait to get out.

        Apart from the crime and crowding, what I always hated the most was the sheer cost of getting from one place to another, in terms of both time and $ expense. For the last 15 years I’ve lived in small towns, but less than an hour from mid-size metro areas. I appreciate, as Amy mentioned, being able to find a parking spot wherever I go, and one at my house when I get back. I can rent any movie I want to see, and can make any recipe I want at home–a lot more cheaply than eating out too!

        sestamibi

        August 8, 2014 at 6:02 pm

      • Public accounting and law are both indispensable, but their size and revenues are, perhaps, 10x what they would be in an efficient economy. The same is true for education.

        I would guess that 9 out of 10 CPAs get most of their income from tax advisory services.

        pequenino

        August 8, 2014 at 7:50 pm

      • Introverted intellectuals are happy as long they have quiet. And good libraries. ILL is even better, but not necessary as most university libraries will issue cards for a fee to non-students/faculty.

        Proles and NAMs are loud.

        pequenino

        August 8, 2014 at 7:57 pm

  20. I think it’s safe to say that many big cities in America look like sloppy sh*t dumps when comparing to the majestic cities of Continental Europe and the more orderly Canadian cities.

    JS

    August 6, 2014 at 9:31 am

  21. This story illustrates how the US just has too much land and natural resources to completely knock out the the middle class, no matter how insane our public policy is. Not getting front-page attention are places like Iowa and Minnesota, which both have pre-recession levels of unemployment.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_unemployment_rate

    OKC is hot right now, in 10 years the next boomtown might be in Kentucky, South Dakota, or Idaho. Although the middle class has been effectively banished from the NYC metro area and Southern CA, probably forever.

    Semi-unemployed SWPLs in Brooklyn could get a professional degree, move to a prole small town in Iowa or Oklahoma and have a comfortable upper-middle class lifestyle within a few years.

    Monsieur Homais

    August 8, 2014 at 10:20 pm

    • Your last paragraph whaaat?????

      JS

      August 8, 2014 at 11:45 pm

    • SWPLs want access to culture and prole towns don’t have any of it.

      Minneapolis would attract SWPLs but Indianapolis would not. Comparing other Midwestern cities, Madison, WI is desirable to SWPLs, but any nearby cities with the exception of Chicago is not.

      JS

      August 8, 2014 at 11:50 pm

      • Towns provide the culture that its residents want to consume. So if bobos and hipsters moved to Indianopolis, they would start creating more culture.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 9, 2014 at 11:36 am

      • And how would these towns provide it? Much of the burgeoning liberal cities before their “gentrification”days had certain things in place to start the trend, such as a vibrant downtown, variety of ethnic foods, museums, and other “high brow” cultural institutions. Why aren’t Brooklyn Hipsters gentrifying a place such as Philadelphia?

        JS

        August 9, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    • Oklahoma is home to overweight-fat people who drive all day long and eat very unsophisticated food, that Brooklyn SWPLs would throw up at sight!

      JS

      August 8, 2014 at 11:52 pm

  22. If I was 25 years younger, single, career-driven, I can’t think of a good reason I’d want to leave the social glamour of an urban center for the banal existence of a place like Oklahoma City.

    Socially Extinct

    August 9, 2014 at 12:06 pm


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