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United Kingdom still united

I’m disappointed. I was hoping that the Scots would vote to secede because it would have been a very interesting social, political and economic experiment.

I think the lesson here is that people fear change. And the British MSM was opposed to independence, and you should never doubt the propaganda power of the MSM.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

September 19, 2014 at 7:34 AM

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  1. I agree that it would have been an interesting experiment, but it’s an experiment that’s been tried before. In the Western Hemisphere that experiment is called Venezuela. The Scots are far more leftish than the UK as a whole and to hear Salmond talk, oil revenues would have allowed Scotland to afford all the more new and more extensive social programs that it could dream of. Leftists can always spend more money than they have and Scotland would have done that as well.

    Mike Street Station

    September 19, 2014 at 7:43 AM

    • There’s absolutely nothing wrong with socialism in a homogenous group. Decrying that is akin to decrying the family unit.

      In a heterogeneous group, such socialism necessitates communism (which necessitates the destruction of the family unit to promote heterogeneous political “unity” via powerlessness).

      ^^Two completely opposite scenarios, socially speaking.

      Roger

      September 19, 2014 at 9:30 PM

      • In a family group, the parents go out and work for the money and they decide how much and on what it’s spent,. In democratic socialism, basically everyone is voting for what they think is in someone else’s wallet. Ultimately, Scotland would have squandered it’s oil riches just like Venezuela has.

        Mike Street Station

        September 19, 2014 at 10:32 PM

    • What would be interesting is if only genetic celts/anglo-saxons were allowed to vote. The Muslim and African populations in Scotland should have absolutely zero say in the matter. Especially given Scotland’s long and bloody history in fighting for its independence, that the aforementioned immigrants and their ancestors ancestors had nothing to do with. It’s common sense that these immigrant populations would vote for unity, aka: less UK tribalism and greater liberalism, at least partially hijacking the true vote.

      Roger

      September 19, 2014 at 9:35 PM

  2. I’m hugely relieved. A weakened UK is the last thing Europe (and the EU) needs. I’m glad that Continental powers (France, Germany, Spain, etc.) will still have a country of their size calling them to reason if need be. That’s good for us in small countries too.

    SW EU Man

    September 19, 2014 at 7:54 AM

    • Yes, the Anglo disease has been cornered well. All of the English speaking nations are a failure on a social scale.

      JS

      September 19, 2014 at 12:35 PM

      • And anyone with any historical sense at all would know this.

        Up until the 17th c, England was a joke. As Mexico is to N America, England was to Europe.

        And did those feet in ancient times walk upon England’s mountains green?

        No. They did not. Bugger off you nation of shop-keeping buggerers.

        ypresi

        September 19, 2014 at 10:42 PM

      • Magna Carta, 13th century. Not a joke.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 20, 2014 at 12:34 AM

      • The Magna Carta was the product of French speaking aristocrats of Norman descent. The English, for obvious reasons, tend to gloss over that fact. Richard the Lion-Hearted was culturally far more French than English. It took until the 14th century and the expulsion of the English aristocrats from their French domains for the aristocracy to really feel they were one people with their English subjects. Arguably one reason England has always had greater class stratification than other European countries is the legacy of Norman rule.

        Peter Akuleyev

        September 20, 2014 at 2:09 AM

  3. Yeah. I was looking forward to a cascade of secession votes, too. Not that the other are going to give up, but a “yes” vote in Scotland would have filled their sails.

    Conan

    September 19, 2014 at 8:00 AM

  4. There will be change. The English are mightily fed up with Scotland this and Scotland that. Presently Scottish MPs can vote on English affairs whilst the Scottish have their own parliament and the English have no say on their affairs. The (Scottish) Labour Party have used his undemocratic situation to flood England with non-whites whilst Scotland remains 99%white. Another young English girl almost certainly murdered by a foreigner in the news today.

    martin

    September 19, 2014 at 8:31 AM

    • Right. The last three UK prime ministers have been part or full Scot. Who is bullying who? Doesn’t exactly fit the colony-breaking-the-shackles-of-the-oppressor narrative.

      Dan

      September 19, 2014 at 9:00 AM

    • What rubbish.The immigration was covertly supported by big business conservatives.

      Wolf

      September 19, 2014 at 9:39 AM

      • There’s no such thing as an internationalist conservative, by definition. You’re mislabeling your demons.

        Roger

        September 19, 2014 at 9:38 PM

      • “The immigration was covertly supported by big business conservatives.”

        The labour party encouraged mass immigration because the immigrants mainly vote labour, and because they wanted to piss of the right wing. Big business is pro immigration from Europe, not so much the tropics as they generally lack skills.

        mathilda37

        September 21, 2014 at 5:52 AM

    • Scotland is about 96% white and dropping. In Glasgow, they have already gone over the 10% minority barrier, which is where trouble begins. Edinburgh and Aberdeen are close behind at over 8%. And of course these are “official” numbers, which means the real number is probably 5% or more higher.

      The fact that Scotland has a “Forced Marriage Helpline” ought to tell you where that’s all going.

      There is literally no white nation not infested with the multi-cult.

      peterike2

      September 19, 2014 at 9:53 AM

      • Eastern Europe and Russia is far from multi-cult. Russians don’t tolerate the Chinese, and most certainly the usual 3rd world riff raff.

        JS

        September 19, 2014 at 10:10 AM

      • You know, the white underclass in Glasgow is pretty grimy. I don’t know if minorities will make it worse.
        They may make it a different kind of bad, perhaps, but Glasgow is a dump.

        Half Canadian

        September 19, 2014 at 12:16 PM

      • “Russians don’t tolerate… the usual 3rd world riff raff.”

        No, they don’t. Good.

        That has been my argument about all of the middle east skirmishes for a long time. You don’t need to “contain” the middle east. It’s already geographically and culturally contained. No one likes them. Basically, middle easterners can’t afford to live in Europe and the ones who do manage to find a way in are offending the natives to the point that elite nativist political parties are saying something about the matter. Russia doesn’t bother with the feel good political talk that is demanded in liberal societies or trying to appear sympathetic (mainly to appease western females who don’t have a clue what hard life looks like). They’ll shoot first and ask questions later. Who’ll mess with that? No one.

        Mikhail Glock 17

        September 19, 2014 at 1:20 PM

      • Yes. In a generation or two American SWPLs will want to move to Russia. They will tell us it is for the borscht.

        Dan

        September 19, 2014 at 1:56 PM

      • JS
        Eastern Europe and Russia is far from multi-cult. Russians don’t tolerate the Chinese, and most certainly the usual 3rd world riff raff.

        80,000 Muslims Pray On The Street In Moscow

        Toad

        September 19, 2014 at 5:42 PM

      • Alex Salmond is fat, loathsome, and fiendish.

        Cameron should execute him in the same manner as was William Wallace.

        Russians don’t tolerate the Chinese, and most certainly the usual 3rd world riff raff.

        Muslims are so foolish they do terrorize Russia and China; even with the odds stacked against them heavily. But as you indicated, it’s infrequent because both nations don’t hesitate to bring the hammer down and hard whenever their native Muslims lash out.

        Still, a case could be made even these authoritarian states are pussified – Putin and the Chinese politburo punish terrorism leniently compared to how Medieval Russian Tsars and Chinese emperors would.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        September 19, 2014 at 8:53 PM

      • Russia might be a slavic haven, but nordic/germanic, and sub-nordic/celtic tribes have their own value past just being “white”. They aren’t necessarily interchangeable with Russians.

        Roger

        September 19, 2014 at 9:41 PM

      • And in Scotland (unlike the US?) the non-whites are better than than the whites.

        If it’s not Scottish it’s crap!

        If it is Scottish it’s crap. Unless it’s the highland Celts and Outer Hebrides Catholics.

        The is where all those Nazi abortions went.

        ypresi

        September 19, 2014 at 10:38 PM

      • Russians don’t tolerate the Chinese, and most certainly the usual 3rd world riff raff. Oh really? Chinese already dominate the Russian Far East demographically. The cult of Russia in certain HBD and white nationalist circles is bizarre. Russia has a large native Muslim population, and ethnic Russians have a heavy admixture of Mongol and Finno-Ugric genes anyway. There is a wide cultural and intelligence gap between ethnic Russians and true Slavs like Poles and Ukrainians. It is no accident that Russians are almost always ruled by foreigners – whether Mongols, ethnic German and Polish aristocrats under the Tsars, or Jews and Georgians in the Soviet era.

        Peter Akuleyev

        September 20, 2014 at 2:16 AM

      • @ Toad

        Ok, I might be wrong. But aren’t the Muslims in the Balkans, Caucuses and Russia, technically “White”, unlike the pesky types from South Asia and parts of the Middle East? You would assume racial makeup has a lot to do with their behavior.

        JS

        September 20, 2014 at 10:19 AM

      • Mongols, ethnic German and Polish aristocrats under the Tsars, or Jews and Georgians in the Soviet era.

        Non-Russian Eastern European aristocrats, including Poland, were often ethnic Germans, usually of Hapsburg extraction.

        Despite anti-semitic attempts to blame the Revolution exclusively on Jews (and everything that goes wrong exclusively on Jews), Russians were also extensively involved in Communism.

        The first Soviet Congress, the Sovnarkom, included many Russians such as Rykov, Shliapnikov (whom Solzhenitsyn claims was the most important Revolutionary leader), Victor Nogin, Gorbunov, and Milyutin. Only Trotsky is confirmed as Jewish and Jews never exceeded 20% of the leadership of Soviet Sovnarkom/Congress.

        There were also non-Communist Russian socialists like Kropotkin and Bakunin who together founded Anarchism. This is of course is never mentioned by anti-semites because they weren’t Jewish.

        As for Poles, whom you don’t mention as being Communist leaders, The founder of the Cheka – “The Iron Felix” Dzerzhinsky, Menzhinsky and Ivan Teodorivich were Polish Communists.

        Proportionally, early Communists drew their ranks from all Imperial Russian ethnicities, it’s completely false to say Red October was caused by Jews because every nationality of the Empire was represented. Without Jewish participation the revolution (and every other leftist movement of the past 200 years) would have still happened because their roles would have been filled by the greater number of gentiles.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovnarkom

        Vladimir Lenin
        Nikolai Gorbunov
        Vladimir Milyutin
        Nikolai Krylenko
        Pavel Dybenko

        Viktor Nogin
        Ivan Teodorovich
        Alexei Rykov
        Georgy Oppokov
        Alexander Shliapnikov

        Jospeh Stalin
        Alexandra Kollontai
        Ivan Skvortsov-Stepanov
        Nikolai Glebov-Avilov
        Anatoly Lunacharsky

        Leon Trotsky

        The Undiscovered Jew

        September 20, 2014 at 12:49 PM

      • Solzhenitsyn on Shliapnikov:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Shlyapnikov

        Alexander Shliapnikov was born August 30, 1885, in Murom, Russia to a poor family of the Old Believer religion.

        snip

        Solzhenitsyn, Aleksandr (2002-08-14) [June 30, 1975, Washington, DC: AFL‐CIO], Words of Warning to the Western World, RU: Lib, retrieved 2014-02-04, “Among the leadership, the Central Committee of the Communist Party, at the beginning of the Revolution, all were émigré intellectuals who had returned, after the uprisings had already broken out in Russia, in order to carry through the Communist Revolution. One of them was a genuine worker, a highly skilled lathe operator until the last day of his life. This was Alexander Shliapnikov. Who knows that name today? Precisely because he expressed the true interests of the workers within the Communist leadership. In the years before the Revolution it was Shliapnikov who ran the whole Communist Party in Russia – not Lenin, who was an émigré.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        September 20, 2014 at 2:11 PM

      • @Peter Akuleyev

        Russia-worship among the anti-diversity crowd is ridiculous but all the reasons you list are wrong.

        The vast majority of Chinese in Russia live in Moscow and St Petersburg. There is no mass migration of Chinese to Siberia (China is rising, Siberia not so much) and Russians don’t tend to even fear that though they’re very paranoid about Chinese money and Chinese businessmen (a rather realistic fear given the historical business competence of the Chinese diaspora and the historical business incompetence of Russians).

        Russians don’t have Mongol admixture worth mentioning. This is unambiguous from genetics.

        Russian Finno-Ugric admixture is heavy but mainly from the Finnic-Mordvinic branch which looks mostly blue eyed and European and includes the literally blondest ethnicities on earth. The Finnish experience with white nationalists of course has been that if you go to America will be oohing and aahing about how white you look but if they find out that you’re something called Finno-Ugric you magically stop being white and become a dangerous Mongol. This is a good example of why white nationalism will always be a dumb prole movement, especially since they’re obsessed with picking a fight with Jews who like Finns mysteriously change race if the white nationalist learns of their ethnicity but who unlike Finns are notoriously good at ridiculing dumb prole ideas.

        The reason Russia isn’t a plausible anti-diversity champion is that it’s another proposition nation which is pulling exactly the same moves as the ones that started off mass immigration to Europe. They don’t have the population to rival America and China and they’re inviting mass Muslim immigration from their former Central Asian colonies to boost it while cracking down on anti-immigrant nationalism. Notice how they always talk about defending “Russian-speakers” and not Russians?

        It’s exactly the same as what happened with France. They wanted more population to strengthen France against Germany and England and they decided to enforce this idea that “French-speakers” are all French and everything else is racism, bringing about an alliance of imperialist rightists and anti-racist leftists that steamrolled all objections by demonizing the opposition. Russia is doing the same gamble with Central Asians that France did with Algerians, Senegalese and so on.

        Even the Crimea thing, Georgia, Baltic states etc is similar to what happened in France. They made a big deal out of intervening and “influencing history” in their former African colonies to satisfy people who might have been anti-immigration nationalists otherwise and the rightists were deceived by this “glory” while their country was being given away.

        Jaakko Raipala

        September 20, 2014 at 4:57 PM

      • @ Undiscovered Jew and Jaako – you guys make good points, my post was simplified to get the message across. I agree completely that Jews were not the cause of the Revolution. I do think though that without Jewish competence, particularly in the sciences and administration, the USSR would have been far less sucessful. The track record of ethnic Russians in the early Soviet period compared to other ethnicities (yes, including Poles, good point) is pretty mediocre – probably because ethnic Russians were mostly poorly educated and elevated from the peasantry, not necessarily genetic failure. The “Kuptsy” class of intelligent Russians mostly fled, died fighting for the Whites, or was suppressed.

        The idea that there is not a lot of Tatar admixture in the Russian people seems unlikely to me just based on appearance, although I will accept the genetic studies. I will argue about the Chinese – Khabarovsk, and Amur river border towns are becoming very heavily Chinese from what I hear. Lots of Koreans as well, and between emigration to the heartland and a lot birth rate, the Russian replacement rate in the Far East in general is a disaster. It will be not be Russian territory in 30 years.

        Peter Akuleyev

        September 21, 2014 at 4:23 PM

      • Russians don’t have Mongol admixture worth mentioning.

        Russians are ~5% East Asian. Not all of it is Mongol. Some of their Asiatic ancestry – as well as much of the same signature found among Finns, Swedes, and Norwegians – came from very early Asians. So early that neither Europeans nor Asians had evolved their modern traits. These trace elements are found among all Northern Europeans, but becomes less significant among Germans, Anglo Saxons, and Central European Slavs.

        I do think though that without Jewish competence, particularly in the sciences and administration, the USSR would have been far less sucessful. The track record of ethnic Russians in the early Soviet period compared to other ethnicities (yes, including Poles, good point) is pretty mediocre – probably because ethnic Russians were mostly poorly educated and elevated from the peasantry, not necessarily genetic failure.

        I don’t know. Before WWII, Russia’s factories were built by FDR. Without American industrial assistance the Russians would have lost the war.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        September 23, 2014 at 7:14 PM

  5. Rule of the Blogosphere: it is impossible for there to be any discussion about Britain that doesn’t involve the Pakis.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    September 19, 2014 at 9:05 AM

    • As it is impossible for there be any discussion about the USA that doesn’t involve blacks and Mexicans. Same thing. When a patient is dying you invariably discuss the cancer that’s killing it.

      peterike2

      September 19, 2014 at 9:54 AM

      • And Mexicans are employed at those wonderful restaurants in Manhattan.

        JS

        September 19, 2014 at 10:07 AM

      • Most ‘mer’cans would die to have Pakis replace their blacks and Mexicans.

        ypresi

        September 19, 2014 at 10:35 PM

      • I wonder how Norwegians or any Continental European would react after living in the United NAM of States for awhile. They probably think their Muslim problem is like a mosquito bite when comparing to a rabid dog bite of a NAM. And by the way, Islam and Muslims may very well be a problem for the Western nations, but their negative view of sub saharan blacks confirms well as to why America is on a downward spiral.

        JS

        September 22, 2014 at 10:36 PM

      • Europeans who come to the U.S. live in safe neighborhoods and adopt the same liberal values of their liberal U.S. peers.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 23, 2014 at 6:30 AM

    • I’ve met Muslims who are Lebanese, Syrian and even Egyptian descent, and they can’t stand the Paki/South Asian Muzzies. They view them as inferior because Islam is an Arab religion, where they are the successors or inheritors of it. The same kind of ill feeling that proles or WNs get, when they see non-Whites flooding into their nations.

      JS

      September 19, 2014 at 10:41 AM

      • The HBD-tards have no explanation for why the Umayyad Caliphate really was a much nicer place to live than anywhere in Europe in the 8th and 9th c.

        ypresi

        September 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM

      • What was wrong with Europe in the 8th century?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 20, 2014 at 12:32 AM

  6. Had the vote gone differently, Putin would be gloating as it would supposedly legitimate the Crimean referendum. (That’s reason 10,001 why I’m happy with the outcome.)

    Anthony

    September 19, 2014 at 10:13 AM

    • I love it when Putin gloats. Our political class deserves all the noogies he can give.

      Dan

      September 19, 2014 at 1:58 PM

    • But on the other hand Putin’s stooge at Chechnya might think twice about toading up to Vlad.

      toos is god

      September 19, 2014 at 2:54 PM

      • Once a Checkist always a Checkist.

        Putin is the savior of Western Civilization.

        ypresi

        September 19, 2014 at 10:28 PM

  7. This is a lose lose situation for the anti English Labour Party in the UK. If Scotland gets further self rule which was promised, then the English are going to demand that Scottish MPs not vote on English affairs, and there are 49 Scottish Labour MPs and one Scottish Tory MP! But the fairness argument is unanswerable, so Labour are screwed.

    martin

    September 19, 2014 at 3:45 PM

    • Those Labor MPs would still be able to vote on British affairs, however (e.g. defense and other national issues).

      Anthony

      September 19, 2014 at 9:12 PM

    • If only the British underclass really were Morlocks and untermenschen rather than just Maggie Thatchers un-fucked…

      The revolution will be televised.

      1990-2020 is the Indian Summer of conservi-tards.

      ypresi

      September 19, 2014 at 10:26 PM

  8. Recall Putin saying the greatest calamity of the 20th c was all those Russians in former “colonies” after the fall of the Soviet Union.

    So was it the carpetbaggers, the English who’d set up their “shops” in Scotland?

    What was the vote for the full-blooded (or near it) Scots?

    Why did Labor not vote 100% for independence?

    The London dominated media’s only one reason.

    Prediction:

    Scotland will secede and before Quebec and Lion will live to see it.

    Devolution will work. More devolution will work double plus good. Then it’s:

    “Why do we have to deal with those English/Thatcherite poofters anymore?”

    ypresi

    September 19, 2014 at 10:23 PM

  9. Not sure if this continued into the final voting but polls shortly before the vote had men supporting independence and women no and undecided. Presumably the undecided women broke to the no side.

    Truth

    September 20, 2014 at 1:53 AM

  10. I wish Texas would secede.

    cats speak to me

    September 20, 2014 at 8:43 AM

    • I agree!

      Saskatoon Sammy

      September 20, 2014 at 4:17 PM

  11. Almost all of the Muslim world, Cordoba/Andalusia as well as Persia and the near East were intellectually and culturally far superior to Europe between about 800 and 1100 or so. Especially in science (math, astronomy, engineering). This included Byzantium, the rest of Europe was more or less a hellhole at this time. The medieval European philosophers got most of what had survived ancient philosophy and science from the Arabs. Even when they had drawn with the Arabs in philosophy/logics in the high middle ages, the latter wer probably still superior in maths and astronomy.

    I have no idea whether the combined impacts of reconquista/crusades, turks and mongols conquests or internal developments destroyed this flourishing of arts and sciences in the (early) medieval islamic world. But for about 2-3 centuries they Arabs and Persians etc. were the true heirs of Aristotle, Archimedes and Euklid and far superior to christian Europe.

    nomen nescio

    September 20, 2014 at 12:31 PM

    • Yes, but then they got fundamentalist and killed the spirit of scientific enquiry.

      mathilda37

      September 21, 2014 at 6:07 AM

    • The idea that the Muslim world was leaps and bounds ahead of Christian Europe during the Middle Ages is a fallacy. Yes, there were Muslim intellectuals who made breakthroughs in the sciences, but most of them were not from the heart of Islam, instead they came from the fringes of the empire such as Persia and Spain, and racially they were not “Arab”. Nothing of significance has ever come from places such as Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and much of North Africa.

      Further, the Muslims weren’t true heirs to Greek Philosophy. We do not have any historical records of them making use of Plato’s Republic or any of his dialogues, instead all we got were Arabic writings of Neoplatonists, with faulty translations and commentaries. The same goes for Aristotle, much of the writings they wrote about Aristotle comes from Aristotelians from late antiquity, and not from Aristotle himself. The Muslims had no genuine interest in Greek culture because most of their work on Aristotle focuses on his Metaphysics and his biological works, and not the Ethics and Politics, which center around the ethical and political climate of Ancient Athens. The Greeks were too alien for the Muslims, and they only assimilated their boring technical treatises, and not works of culture, literature and historiography. Later during the late Medieval period and the Renaissance, Europeans would scrap much of the faulty translations of the Greek writings copied by the Arabs when they got hold of the manuscripts in the original Greek and translated directly from them.

      However, I would say the Medieval Muslim world was ahead of the Chinese, and East Asians love to brag about their civilizations being ahead of everyone else before the modern era, which of course is not true.

      JS

      September 21, 2014 at 10:00 AM

    • “Almost all of the Muslim world, Cordoba/Andalusia as well as Persia and the near East were intellectually and culturally far superior to Europe between about 800 and 1100 or so.”

      That’s nice. The past is neat to read about and it’s fun to pretend what could have happened. In reality progress didn’t happen in the middle east. In fact, it stalled for whatever reason. They obviously failed to maintain that supremacy, assuming they actually had it to begin with. Left wing revisionist history and all… It’s 2014 right now. Now matters more than then.

      Let's pretend what could have happened

      September 21, 2014 at 1:19 PM

      • Again, the Muslims had no interest in assimilating other people’s cultural ideas or even write about them, which proves their intolerance of others. They were only interested in the sciences, but not Greek, Ancient Egyptian or Zoroastrian culture, which provided the blueprints for their philosophical/scientific inquiry/achievements. Think of the foreign students who come to the United States to study STEM, and could care less of what Americans say and act. You would call that an affront and would want them deported back to their native countries.

        Left wing academics will tell you that the Muslims preserved much of the Greek classics, which of course is one big lie. I previously said there was no Arabic version of Plato’s Republic handed down to us. One Muslim intellectual by the name of Ibn Rushd or better known as Averroes in the West (also a character in Dante’s Inferno) wrote a tiny tract on the Republic, and he didn’t mentioned one word of Socrates or any of the other characters in the story. His only goal was to take Plato’s ideas and try to infuse it into Islam without going into the details of the people, culture and city behind the Republic, which marks a major insult to Plato.

        JS

        September 22, 2014 at 9:36 AM

    • Almost all of the Muslim world, Cordoba/Andalusia as well as Persia and the near East were intellectually and culturally far superior to Europe between about 800 and 1100 or so.

      Andalusian Muslims were ethnic Spaniard converts to Islam.

      Zoroastrian Persia was culturally superior to Islamic Persia.

      This included Byzantium,

      LOL. By what standard was Arab civilization ever superior to Byzantine?

      Especially in science (math, astronomy, engineering).

      What science Islam produced during the supposed Golden Age was produced by non-Arabs ethnicities – Greek, Persian, Anatolian, Jewish, etc.

      And even at their peak, “Arab” science was inferior to Roman and ancient Greek engineering, math, astronomy, and science.

      the rest of Europe was more or less a hellhole at this time.

      Not entirely true. Italy and Greece (which ruled Byzantium for a thousand years after the Western Empire fell) made it through the Dark Ages smoothly. And as mentioned, Andalusians were Iberian. The rest of Europe was chaotic but this was because of Barbarian invasions.

      The medieval European philosophers got most of what had survived ancient philosophy and science from the Arabs.

      Greek philosophy was preserved by Greek dominated, not mention Greek speaking, Byzantium and Christian Near Easterners – remember Constantinople didn’t fall until well after the Dark Ages had ended.

      I have no idea whether the combined impacts of reconquista/crusades, turks and mongols conquests or internal developments destroyed this flourishing of arts and sciences in the (early) medieval islamic world.

      It fell apart because of Islamic cultural self destructiveness and Arab racial inferiority.

      Interesting how the Mongol and Hun invasions of Europe didn’t stop Western civilization from picking up again from where Greece and Rome left off and leaving the rest of humanity in the dust.

      But Muslims never recovered from a few military encounters with the Mongols and Turks.

      But for about 2-3 centuries they Arabs and Persians etc. were the true heirs of Aristotle, Archimedes and Euklid and far superior to christian Europe.

      The Islamic Near East’s 2-3 centuries at it’s alleged zenith were inferior and shorter than the Near East was under Roman and Hellenized Christian domination.

      Pharaonic and Ptolemaic Egypt, the Christian Levant, Zoroastrian Persia, and Byzantium were more advanced than they became under Islam.

      Islam is a garbage religion that only enjoyed one brief high point because they conquered more sophisticated non-Muslim cultures which they then suffocated and destroyed.

      What has Islam produced since 1100?

      Nothing of significance has ever come from places such as Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and much of North Africa.

      Before Rome conquered the Mediterranean, North Africa was comparable to the West only under the Carthaginians.

      But Carthage was a Phoenician colony. I’m not sure native North Africans provided Carthage’s elite with anything useful beyond manual labor. Even Carthage’s soldiers were largely Spanish and Gaulish.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      September 21, 2014 at 10:34 PM

      • Islamic civilization failed for another reason that most people failed to mention. They had very little tolerance and curiosity for people whom they encountered or benefited from. None of their writings talk about the cultures or nuances of the people whose information provided a blueprint for their scientific inquiry. They were eager to learn Greek Science, Medicine and Philosophy because they provided an immediate and a pragmatic knowledge to sustain their religion and empire (information needed to determine the direction of Mecca, building of Mosques and treating of sick Muslims), but they absolutely had no interest in Greek culture, as one can easily observe when one reads Medieval Arabic poetry/literature or anything non-scientific coming from Islam.

        JS

        September 22, 2014 at 9:48 AM

      • By what standard was Arab civilization ever superior to Byzantine?

        Left wing academics will tell you that the Muslims acquired a lot of Greek Manuscripts and started to translate them, besting the Byzantines who were just mere custodians of these Greek works and didn’t do anything with them besides being a repository of knowledge. This of course is not true where Byzantine scholars not only had an interest in the Greek Sciences that the Muslims were only interested in, they also produced writings on Greek literature reflecting Euripides and the other playwrights.

        And the now the idea of the Dark Ages in Europe is taking a revisionist stance. It wasn’t so “dark” after all, where Left Wing idiots are beginning to admit their faulty bias. In Spain, where the Muslims were translating Greek Scientific works, Iberian Christian rulers such as Alfonso X had access to Roman History and Poetry writings where he translated works of Julius Caesar, Ovid and even a historical work on Britain from Latin to Spanish. This intellectual endeavor refutes the notion that Europeans were completely ignorant of the Classical tradition during the “Dark Ages”.

        JS

        September 22, 2014 at 10:29 AM

      • This blog Jihad Watch contains poignant information about the “mythical – brilliant” Islamic civilization that Europeans didn’t really find of great use or should deserve to be admired.

        http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/09/fjordman-islam-the-greeks-and-the-scientific-revolution-part-1

        Most Americans who hate of Islam are proles and thus are not able to comprehend their rationality of hating the religion. This site however has a strong academic flavor backed up with well researched arguments to refute the Academic left who naively and disingenuously praise Islam and its “Golden Age”.

        JS

        September 22, 2014 at 1:39 PM

      • Left wing academics will tell you that the Muslims acquired a lot of Greek Manuscripts and started to translate them, besting the Byzantines who were just mere custodians of these Greek works and didn’t do anything with them besides being a repository of knowledge.

        “Historians” can only make Islam appear anything remotely short of failure by limiting their history at the point where Europe was at it’s geopolitical weakest and by entirely ignoring the accomplishments of the pre-Islamic Middle East.

        Go ahead and mention Charlemagne was illiterate; but just try getting tenure if you doubt Islamic Egypt outclasses Pharaonic, Ptolemaic, Roman or Byzantine Egypt.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        September 22, 2014 at 8:31 PM

      • TUJ – Despite the fact that the “Dark Ages” was a weak point for Europe, it’s intellectual activity surpassed that of the Islamic empire, which was immensely huge, yet the cultural and scientific output was vastly scant for its size. Europeans were always more curious about others than Non-Europeans. During the Middle Ages, the Christians in Europe managed to translate the Koran into Latin by several different individuals, where as the Muslims did not translate a single Bible until very recently. The “historians” will tell you that the Medieval Muslims were progressive and tolerant, but of course, they would downplay their faults and say everything was wrong with Europe in the Dark Ages. The commentator who said Muslims became true heirs to Aristotle is wrong and wrong like most apologists. There are less than 5 scholars from the Islamic world who wrote anything of significance in regards to Aristotle, which would be about the same number for the Aristotelian scholars in Medieval England. Not only did they didn’t care for Aristotle’s more ethical and political works, they basically didn’t research deeply or care about the Greeks or any other group of people whose knowledge they took under the name of Islam. If you ever get a chance to read any Aristotelian works written by the Muslims, you will realize they are short, dry and not very interesting, sort of reading an instructional manual. Now compare them with St. Thomas Aquinas, who wrote many Aristotelian tracts, you will understand how bare and minimal the Muslims were, when it comes to Aristotelian scholarship.

        JS

        September 23, 2014 at 10:07 AM

      • but just try getting tenure if you doubt Islamic Egypt outclasses Pharaonic, Ptolemaic, Roman or Byzantine Egypt.

        Or trying getting tenure if you got the world out that Islamic philosophy was nothing but a ripoff of the Greeks.

        JS

        September 23, 2014 at 10:56 PM

    • I blame the decline of Islam and the ascendancy of the West on alcohol.

      Really. I’m not kidding.

      There’s even a style of beer named after the men who drank it, “porter”. At very high intake it makes one worthless, but at less than “very high” it makes even the worst physical labor tolerable. Of course today such labor is largely done by machines.

      Medieval Europe and even early 19th c America were just one long drunk compared to the present, and Europe and its white dominions are still the soddenest places in the world. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Alcohol_by_Country.png

      In vino veritas might have been in vino vici! It was once thought that the grog was as necessary to the success of the British navy as Pershing thought tobacco to the success of the doughboys.

      First Ypres

      September 21, 2014 at 11:20 PM

      • Jorge – Given the fact that you have a religion/culture that forbids a natural yet beneficial tendency of man where drinking makes you think better and act out creatively (all the Muslim intellectuals were alcoholics and so were their poets), not to mention its health benefits, this prohibition would probably be a downfall and one big lie to Islam. Islam also forbids the enjoyment of rock music, as perverse as this ideology is being enforced, rock music signifies power, catharsis and full human expression, which the West have a dominion over and other non-Western nations have tried to emulate.

        JS

        September 22, 2014 at 10:53 AM

      • I blame the decline of Islam and the ascendancy of the West on alcohol.

        You may be on to something – alcohol boosts creativity. Alekhine played against – and defeated! – grand masters while inebriated.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        September 22, 2014 at 8:33 PM

      • TUJ,

        One should remember that for all but the last 200 years of human history work was hateful drudgery and nothing more.

        That is, yes Alekhine and Tal and many belletrists have done their best “work” drunk, the connection between IQ and status is recent. That’s the only thing Charles Murray has ever been right about. That is, until the last 200 years, brilliance wasn’t useful.

        My point was exactly the opposite. Alcohol makes shitty work tolerable.

        First Ypres

        September 23, 2014 at 10:53 PM

  12. They get to keep the unicocn.

    Toad

    September 20, 2014 at 6:45 PM

  13. Why is it that Glasgow, which is the most immigrant-rich part of the country, was most solidly pro-independence? Frankly, looking at these maps, it seems the whiter an area was the less interested it was. I’m honestly curious what this means. I know French Canadian separatists tend to blame immigrants for squashing their ambitions, but that doesn’t seem to work here.

    Peter

    September 21, 2014 at 5:40 AM

  14. Interestingly, they didn’t ask the English if they wanted to stay in a union with Scotland.

    Once renewables become more of a factor, Scotland’s oil income would never cover it’s social needs, and it will become an economic millstone around our neck again.

    A lot of the English are all for stopping Scottish MP’s voting/sitting in the English parliament. If this happens, I doubt we’ll have a Labour govt again as most of their seats are from the North. they are getting quite cross at the idea of being banned from voting on English matters already. If we didn’t have such a high non white population, Labour would get very few seats south of the border.

    mathilda37

    September 21, 2014 at 6:05 AM

    • England has a “quite” respectable GDP per capita, but an even more “quite” UN-respectable median household income. And that with 20% of the workforce in finance. A nation of shopkeepers has become a “nation” of money changers. Despicable except for those Rolls Royce jet engines. Much better than GE’s.

      The UK is the poorest Germanic language speaking country in Europe. It’s poorer than all those ginormous government “socialist” countries like Sweden and Austria.

      Please God rid the world of the English and their ideology. England and its diaspora are “the focus of evil in the modern world”.

      First Ypres

      September 21, 2014 at 11:27 PM

  15. The proximity of an independent Scotland could easily have destabilized Northern Ireland, especially in the wake of the Celtic Tiger’s sad demise. As a descendant of Scots – but, much more pertinently, as the grandson of Ulster Scots – I believe the last thing Northern Ireland (or Ireland as a whole) needs right now is a resurgence of The Troubles. Hurray for the Scots choosing caution and common sense over tribal sentimentality and the wild political unknown.

    Saskatoon Sammy

    September 25, 2014 at 2:46 PM


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