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Steve Sailer writes about Kitty Genovese

Steve Sailer reminds his readers that Kitty Genovese (who I presume was Italian-American) was murdered by a black man. But this was never mentioned in the NY Times; even fifty years ago, the mainstream media was on a mission to not write anything that could cause people to have racist thoughts.

This reminds me of a story about a white woman in Boston who saw a black man trying to break into a nearby house, so like a good Samaritan she called the police. But it turned out that she and the police were all racists because the black guy was a somewhat well-known college professor breaking into his own house.

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October 31, 2014 at 8:04 AM

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  1. The utter incompetence and extremely slow reaction times of the potential white knights in this story are still something to behold. It’s as if she was living in a building full of David Futrelles.

    Replay this story anytime after, say, 1980, and the men in the story, instead of acting fretful, indecisive or apathetic, would have tried to go action hero on the perp.

    Fiddlesticks

    October 31, 2014 at 8:52 AM

  2. There are probably less then 10 famous murders of the 20th century that everyone has heard of, and the Kitty Genovese murder is one of them. But I confess I knew nothing about the perp being black or that it started out as an attempted rape. There was a TV movie of the murder years ago that I recall seeing, but either these pertinent details of the crime were never mentioned or I have no memory of them.

    Mike Street Station

    October 31, 2014 at 9:17 AM

  3. This reminds me of a Gawker post from August where they attempted to shame a white woman in Williamsburg for calling the police when a 13-year-old black kid stole her iPhone:

    http://gawker.com/all-the-things-not-to-do-when-you-capture-your-own-chil-1623421423

    Robert

    October 31, 2014 at 9:34 AM

    • That’s one of those things you can’t believe you are reading while reading it.

      Curle

      October 31, 2014 at 10:22 PM

    • “Vondrich says that she “felt sorry” for the kid, but not enough to not have him arrested and charged with grand larceny. The boy will now enter New York’s vaunted juvenile justice system, which will likely fuck up his life even further, simply because he snatched a white lady’s iPhone in Williamsburg.

      If you are nonviolently mugged by a child, continue to let him run along with his friends. The world will be a better place.”

      This article can’t be serious. It just can’t be.

      Kyo

      November 1, 2014 at 10:37 AM

      • “If you are nonviolently mugged by a child, continue to let him run along with his friends. The world will be a better place.”

        No, the exact opposite is true. The world is better off when the robbers are locked away from law abiding folks.

        not too late

        November 1, 2014 at 9:39 PM

  4. Italian Americans generally dislike blacks and have no sympathy for them. I say their feelings are healthy compared to a lot of Jewish Americans who have helped blacks yet have gotten payback from them instead of gratitude.

    JS

    October 31, 2014 at 9:49 AM

    • I find that to be true. My mom’s Italian-American family immigrated to Detroit in the early 20th century, and of course was obliged to leave in the 60s. They consider blacks to be dangerous and worthless. My dad’s WASP family, on the other hand, feels bad about American blacks and generally sympathizes with them.

      Uptown Resident

      October 31, 2014 at 5:21 PM

      • Many people feel bad for Blacks and sympathize with them while taking care to avoid them and having little or nothing to do with them. Conservatives are like this, and so are Liberals, but the two groups talk different games.

        Jonathan Silber

        October 31, 2014 at 9:32 PM

    • Among which ethnicity or other race are Blacks liked?

      Jonathan Silber

      October 31, 2014 at 9:21 PM

      • In terms of groups, Liberal Jews and liberals in NYC are generally fond of blacks, but they try to associate with the “nicer” ones, or the ones with token status (acting White). Many liberal think – White women get into relationships with black men.

        JS

        November 1, 2014 at 10:55 AM

      • I hate to say this, but there is a grain of truth. Jews feel more threatened by White Christian gentiles than blacks, hence their association with the schwartze throughout the 20th century, especially with the Civil Rights Movement, where both groups ganged up to fight a common “enemy”.

        JS

        November 1, 2014 at 11:02 AM

      • There isn’t a history of blacks trying to exterminate Jews as there is with white Christians.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 1, 2014 at 2:37 PM

      • There isn’t a history of jews subverting black culture.

        Anonymous Funk

        November 1, 2014 at 3:38 PM

      • I hate to say this, but there is a grain of truth. Jews feel more threatened by White Christian gentiles than blacks, hence their association with the schwartze throughout the 20th century, especially with the Civil Rights Movement,

        Gentile liberals in both America and Europe (where Jews are a much smaller proportion of the elite) also feel more threatened by white Christians than blacks.

        Even when elite Jews lean conservative (Britain, early 20th century America) or where their numbers are proportionally smaller (Scandinavia, France), gentiles end up pushing the exact same policies as Jews. It is irrelevant whether liberal elites are gentile or Jewish except for some marginal areas; e.g.; Europe’s media is Arabist and anti-Israel relative to America’s. And even here ours isn’t as pro-Zionist as it should be; there’s lots of pro-Palestinian articles here.

        Secular Jews aren’t obligated to be more pro-gentile than the anti-gentile gentile elite.

        I’m also waiting for you to present evidence West Coast liberals are more anti-black than Yankees? Have any quotes from Jerry Brown?

        There isn’t a history of jews subverting black culture.

        Unfortunately secular Jews have been following the leadership of gentile liberals who have a history undermining white culture with or without Jewish participation.

        The only anti-semite explanation for liberalism existing with a minimal number of Jews in, for example, Sweden is the supposed ‘Jewish’ nature of the Bonnier media which supposedly controls their media. As usual, antisemites prove to be idiots – Jonas Bonnier is as blonde and blue-eyed as any Viking:

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 1, 2014 at 8:08 PM

      • In the last New York City mayoral election, a higher percentage of Jews voted for the Republican candidate than did gentile whites.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 1, 2014 at 8:23 PM

      • There isn’t a history of blacks trying to exterminate Jews as there is with white Christians.

        The suffering of Jews at the hands of white gentiles trumps anything Jews have done to white gentiles.

        Jews, after inventing and spreading early Jewish sect of Christianity and bringing much of the moral and cultural basis for European civilization, spent nearly 2000 years being attacked in riots based on baseless village rumors, having no real political power until the middle of the 19th century and even today still need the support of gentile elites, being chased out of various European countries, being condemned by religious authorities, all of which culminated in the Holocaust (although to be fair Hitler wasn’t Christian in any real sense beyond what was needed to gain power).

        In contrast, anti-semites can only point to Jews having supported the same self-destructive political ideas that were backed by more significant levels of liberal gentiles and which all would have happened without any Jewish support at all.

        Or anti-semites lie and accuse Jews of doing something they weren’t responsible for (immigration, the Holodomor, the WTC attack, etc).

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 1, 2014 at 8:19 PM

      • In the last New York City mayoral election, a higher percentage of Jews voted for the Republican candidate than did gentile whites.

        Secular Jews are liberal because they don’t identify as Jewish.

        Every Jewish voting group that strongly identifies as Jewish (FSU immigrant, Orthodox/Hasidic, and Israeli immigrant) votes Republican. Netanyahu, whom Obama calls a chickenshit, is a life long friend of Romney. Israel is one of the only nations on earth where the people wanted Romney to win in 2012.

        If Jews who are most concerned with Jewish interests are conservative, then liberal Jews are liberal because they’re assimilated with gentile elites who are also liberal. There’s no conflicting agenda between elite Jews and elite gentile liberals.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 1, 2014 at 8:32 PM

      • “Gentile liberals in both America and Europe (where Jews are a much smaller proportion of the elite) also feel more threatened by white Christians than blacks. “

        I don’t think they feel “threatened” so much as self-righteous arrogance and contempt.

        “Europe’s media is Arabist and anti-Israel relative to America’s. And even here ours isn’t as pro-Zionist as it should be; there’s lots of pro-Palestinian articles here.”

        Agreed. You have liberal gentiles and secular jews to thank for that. Both of them are misguided.

        “Secular Jews aren’t obligated to be more pro-gentile than the anti-gentile gentile elite.”

        That doesn’t make it right. And the objects of that anti-gentile prejudice are no more obligated to tolerate it from secular jews than they are from the “anti-gentile gentile elite.” As in the case of the anti-Israel liberal gentiles and secular jews mentioned directly above, they’re both misguided.

        “Unfortunately secular Jews have been following the leadership of gentile liberals who have a history undermining white culture with or without Jewish participation.”

        Shame on them. They should both know better. But I don’t think either of them are “following the others lead.” I think they behave similarly largely for similar reasons as well as a few reasons unique to each.

        “The suffering of Jews at the hands of white gentiles trumps anything Jews have done to white gentiles.”

        We could list plenty of things that some white gentiles have done to jews over the centuries. Heck, we could list plenty of things white gentiles have done to each other. We could also list plenty of things jews have done to white gentiles. But if we did then I’ve no doubt people would start ranting about “nazis” and “zionists”. I generally don’t go in for collective guilt or beating people up for alleged historical wrongs. I might bring it up as a defense against someone slinging mud at me. But I don’t go in for those sorts of pissing contests because they leave everyone pissed off and pissed on. If someone didn’t personally do it then they shouldn’t feel guilty about it or let others use it to beat them up. And if it didn’t happen to them personally and it’s not happening now then they should stop howling about it. Otherwise, they’re just a bigot looking justify their own prejudice.

        destructure

        November 2, 2014 at 5:00 PM

      • It was white gentiles, and not blacks, who marched Jews in gas chambers to execute them, and there are still Jews alive who remember it. It’s just the way it is. It takes a few decades to forget shit like that.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 2, 2014 at 5:46 PM

      • It was white gentiles, and not blacks, who marched Jews in gas chambers to execute them, and there are still Jews alive who remember it.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 2, 2014 at 5:46 PM

      • Interesting how you lump all white gentiles together. It may have escaped your notice that there are dozens of different ethnicities most of whom were on the other side — including those in the country in which you live. Not to mention most of those who died in concentration camps were “white gentiles” as well. But I guess they get lumped in with the “white gentiles” holding them prisoner. How about my uncle who was killed in France fighting the nazis. Does he get lumped in with the “white gentiles who marched Jews in gas chambers”? Or maybe my wife’s relatives who were massacred because of their ethnicity. Do they get lumped in with the rest of the “white gentiles who marched Jews in gas chambers” too? You lump us all together but we always kind of figured the SS did it. Admittedly, our families are a little prejudiced against Germans because of it. Or, in the case of my father in law, more than a little. But even we make the distinction between those personally responsible and the innocent civilians who suffered their own share of atrocities.

        Do you know the real difference between european jews and “white gentiles”? None. European jews are just another white ethnicity. If you want to maintain your own ethnic identity that’s fine with me. But it’s your own ethnocentrism that separates whites into “jews” and “everyone else”.

        destructure

        November 2, 2014 at 7:34 PM

      • That doesn’t make it right. And the objects of that anti-gentile prejudice are no more obligated to tolerate it from secular jews than they are from the “anti-gentile gentile elite.”

        The ethnic background of those gentiles is rarely brought up in the discussion. Neither are gentile liberals’ ethnic groups the subject of so many lies and conspiracy theories as Jews. The stupidity and dishonesty of so many anti-semitic arguments drives away potential Jewish support for conservatism. And it’s usually pointless; anti-semites don’t do their homework which leads them having their arguments torpedoed easily when they leave their online echo chambers.

        Is it unreasonable to keep criticism of liberals Jews at the individual level, especially considering the most collectively motivated Jews are more conservative than gentiles?

        We could list plenty of things that some white gentiles have done to jews over the centuries.

        And the list is done it would be evident Jews were on the worst end of the relationship. By a wide margin.

        I generally don’t go in for collective guilt or beating people up for alleged historical wrongs.

        That’s reasonable but keep in mind anti-semites aren’t.

        It was white gentiles, and not blacks, who marched Jews in gas chambers to execute them, and there are still Jews alive who remember it.

        What’s surprising is that there have been so many race realist Jews despite the Holocaust and the very anti-semitic nature of post-WWII race realism.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 2, 2014 at 9:18 PM

  5. Slightly O/T – A NAM sex predator is on the loose, after prowling around Columbia University’s Campus and assaulting one of its female students.

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/10/30/police-man-assaulted-woman-in-columbia-university-student-housing/

    Again, this goes to show you why living in NYC is a crap shoot even around an Ivy League Campus. NAMs are everywhere, even in neighborhoods that aren’t associated with them.

    JS

    October 31, 2014 at 9:54 AM

    • “Allen Taylor, 27, is wanted in connection with the attack, police said late Thursday. He is 6 feet 2 inches tall and weighs 270 pounds.”

      Just another Gentle Giant it seems to me.

      peterike2

      October 31, 2014 at 12:13 PM

      • HA! It’s only when they get killed by police that Sharpton makes a media fuss.

        JS

        November 1, 2014 at 10:41 AM

    • Many good schools are surrounded by ghetto and NAMs: Yale and Chicago also come to mind as being close to rough neighborhoods.

      Sanjuro

      October 31, 2014 at 2:47 PM

      • Also, the University of Southern California. Two young Chinese students were shot to death in their car about a year ago adjacent to campus, and the victims’ families are suing USC. I think Steve Sailer has written a bit about the USC neighborhood and this case in particular.

        E. Rekshun

        October 31, 2014 at 5:42 PM

    • Which elite university’s neighborhood is most dangerous?

      Duke?

      The Undiscovered Jew

      October 31, 2014 at 7:35 PM

      • don’t know if serious? Duke might as well be in the middle of a golf course.

        Unspeakable_Lulz

        October 31, 2014 at 10:52 PM

      • don’t know if serious?

        Only asking a question. I know Duke has many criminal black neighborhoods nearby which is why I threw it out there. It’s possible they aren’t the most dangerous.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 1, 2014 at 8:36 PM

    • don’t know much about NYC but isn’t Columbia next to Harlem?

      caroljm36

      October 31, 2014 at 9:13 PM

      • Yes, but NYC has 2 million blacks who are roam around like feral animals through out the city. Last year, a black man assaulted a White female student in a Soho, which is your consummate SWPL neighborhood.

        JS

        November 1, 2014 at 10:47 AM

    • Again, this goes to show you why living in NYC is a crap shoot even around an Ivy League Campus. NAMs are everywhere, even in neighborhoods that aren’t associated with them.

      NYC’s effective public transportation is to blame. Down South are cities lack the density necessary to make public transportation work very well, and we like it that way. Even cities with light rail (Atlanta, Dallas, Charlotte) aren’t very walkable at all.

      Camlost

      November 5, 2014 at 2:23 AM

  6. Yeah. I read an article by the head of the Libertarians, Michael Gilson De Lemos, who actually reviewed the original records and talked with many of the witnesses over 20 years ago. He published an article on it in a now gone Libertarian ezine. Versus the view that Kitty Genovese was ignored by selfish bystanders, it turns out there was apparently a police cover-up: the police had been called many times but ignored the calls because they thought she was a local drug-dealer that had annoyed their pals in the Mafia. This cover-up seemed to have dovetailed with all kinds of other local agendas.

    What’s even more interesting is that the Queens President then announced he would call for an investigation, then was found a ‘suicide’ in his car days later. I’ve no doubt there was more to the story.

    What Gilson thought was really interesting is that he figured out some kind of hanky-panky by New York’s Funniest was going on over just a week of research including viewing a copy of the original Sergeant’s log. Why had no on else made a few calls to witnesses and gone downtown to view records? People told him the media at the time just didn’t want to know.

    rob

    October 31, 2014 at 10:12 AM

    • Almost nothing about the Kitty Genovese murder in popular culture is actually true. There was no police cover up and there weren’t 30+ people who saw everything but ignored it. With one exception, a drunk in a nearby building lobby, each witness saw or heard only a small bit of the struggle. All of them thought it involved drunks from a nearby bar, which attracted loud and often disorderly patrons.

      While Genovese had a minor criminal record, for allowing gambling at the bar she managed, she had never been involved with drugs and had no connection to organized crime. She wasn’t related to the Mob family of the same name (Genovese means “Person from Genoa”) and is not an uncommon surname.

      Peter

      ironrailsironweights

      October 31, 2014 at 2:02 PM

  7. http://nypost.com/2014/10/28/woman-harassed-108-times-in-10-hours-on-nyc-streets/

    Woman getting unwanted attention from NAMs walking in Manhattan.

    L

    October 31, 2014 at 1:24 PM


    • Slate
      The XX Factor
      What Women Really Think
      Oct. 31 2014 4:30 PM
      White Men Don’t Catcall. They Harass In Other Ways.

      Men of color catcall vocally and visibly on the sidewalk because they have to … to create the illusion of dominance in shared public spaces that social constructs and institutional racism have never afforded them control over.

      Toad

      October 31, 2014 at 8:33 PM

      • Blacks are attention whores. They can’t get any attention for their achievements because they usually don’t have any so they try to get attention by acting up.

        Mark

        November 1, 2014 at 7:21 PM

    • It was posted here 2 days ago. I think that video is sending out a message to men who try to pick up women on the streets.

      JS

      November 1, 2014 at 10:50 AM

  8. OT, SWPLs up to their old fun and games. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ray-davies-and-chrissie-hyndes-daughter-guilty-of-besetting-20140225

    Are these folks the reason Asians find whites childish?

    Curle

    November 1, 2014 at 2:12 AM

    • No, Asians are childish, usually with infantile behaviors. If anything, Asians lack ambition, are risk adverse and their view of education is mostly vocational in nature. Furthermore, Asians are beta, which means they are more likely to cooperate and let the powers to be do their bidding, as opposed to Whites, whose rebellious attitudes have made the West the most dynamic and powerful entity for centuries that others could only emulate.

      JS

      November 1, 2014 at 2:08 PM

  9. If news stories started mentioning the races of suspects and convicts it might motivate some to try to behave slightly better.

    outsider

    November 1, 2014 at 11:30 AM

  10. I’ve read this online but can’t confirm it, so it might not turn out true, but in any event, in a hastily scheduled press conference after those three girls were run over by a hit and run driver in California on Halloween police officials said they were looking for two black males. When TV stations later showed the press conference on news reports they edited out the reference to the suspects’ race.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    November 2, 2014 at 1:18 PM


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