Lion of the Blogosphere

Beliefs about vaccines

This is a really interesting story because it flips so many things around.

The anti-vaccine movement is part of a broader luddite movement which believes that mankind is harming the planet through technology and industry. I guarantee you that the anti-vaccine people are the same people who want to do something to stop “climate change.” They are the people who are trying to flush “toxins” from their body and who buy herbal supplements (which New York State has determined do not even contain the herbs claimed on the packaging).

The people who subscribe to this anti-science movement must have low IQs, right? Actually, it’s just the opposite. The places where children are not being vaccinated are in affluent neighborhoods. The state with the highest percentage of vaccinated children is the normally backwards Mississipi.

Recently, Hillary Clinton tweeted “The science is clear: The earth is round, the sky is blue, and #vaccineswork. Let’s protect all our kids.” Meanwhile, Republican Rand Paul revealed his usual nuttiness by saying on a television interview “I have heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines.” Ironically, the anti-vaccine people vote Democratic and would never in a million years think of voting for someone like Rand Paul.

That anti-vaccine people have higher-than-average IQs shows us something very unusual about modern memes. Traditionally, if a belief was more commonly believed by people with higher IQs, that always meant the belief is true, but this correlation is no longer reliably valid.

Only nerds believe what they believe because they have independently verified the science and/or used logical thought to arrive at the belief. The vast majority believe what other people like themselves believe, or what they’ve been taught to believe as a child (which reflects the beliefs of their parents or their school teachers). I think that belief in global warming, now called climate change, and belief that vaccines cause autism, is part of the same trend of what New York Times reporter John Tierney calls information cascades, often false, spreading among the smarter members of the population.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

February 4, 2015 at 2:04 PM

Posted in Biology, Bobos, Politics

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  1. Many of the high IQ people have gone to elite schools where they were brainwashed into delusion and superstition. High IQ people are especially prone to believing anything written or couched in pseudoscientific jargon.

    bob sykes

    February 4, 2015 at 2:14 PM

    • In other words, it’s easiest to get them to believe something that has the appearance of being believed by other high-IQ people.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 4, 2015 at 2:17 PM

      • High-IQ people are very good at rationalizing not-too-smart beliefs.


        February 4, 2015 at 7:24 PM

      • The biggest myth about vaccine deniers: That they’re all a bunch of hippie liberals


        February 5, 2015 at 1:11 AM

    • maybe, but that won’t fly when trying to write for publication

      grey enlightenment

      February 4, 2015 at 6:20 PM

      • Tell that to Alan Sokal.


        February 4, 2015 at 10:02 PM

    • High IQ people are especially prone to believing anything written or couched in pseudoscientific jargon.

      That jargon must be delivered as infotainment through a shallow social medium; a medium not so dumb as to come off as trashy but not smart enough to get into sampling methodology, confidence intervals, or probability distributions. “Pro-science” liberals can barely handle grade school arithmetic.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      February 4, 2015 at 6:52 PM

    Modern vaccines (those manufactured since the late 80’s) include fetal cells or cells derived from fetal lines.

    Women that had abortions are much more likely to suffer autoimmune disorders due to a high number of fetal cells in their bloodstream.

    it’s not that irrational for certain individuals to be concerned about what is being injected into their children.

    Daniel Gonzalez Buitrago

    February 4, 2015 at 2:32 PM

    • It’s a collective action problem. As long as your child is the only one who is not vaccinated there is basically no risk to not vaccinating them so any potential harm caused by the vaccine, no matter how unlikely, outweighs the harm of not vaccinating. So there is a good argument to be made that it’s rational to not vaccinate your child. But it’s not rational on a group level which is why vaccinations should be mandatory.

      Howie Stern

      February 4, 2015 at 6:57 PM

    • Plenty of right-wing people object to the abortion connection, and often buy into the general anti-vax arguments to boot.. Many would be willing to vote for Rand Paul. They fall into the category that Rod Dreher called “crunchy cons”, and I know many of them.


      February 4, 2015 at 7:02 PM

  3. “#vaccineswork”

    The degree to which vaccines in general have worked is overblown. Chlorinated drinking water and refrigerated food trucks had all the major diseases that vaccines are alleged to have eliminated in free-fall before mass vaccination. The vaccines are not risk free and people do in fact die every year. Flu-vaccines definitely don’t work and are a total racket. There’s a nuanced discussion to be had about risk-reward for at least some of the shots. But this is essentially a religious issue with a lot of people. If all are not vaccinated (baptized) we will be damned (“herd immunity”).

    The funny thing to me is that every single one of these communicable disease outbreaks in the USA has been from third-world air travel. If you suggest mandatory quarantine and testing for travelers from certain places people freak out. But those same people are all about mandatory injections.


    February 4, 2015 at 3:10 PM

    • Air travel to places where people aren’t vaccinated. A complete set of vaccinations or proof of immunity should be required to get a passport.

      Where mass vaccinations are introduced, there is no increase in autism or any other bad things that vaccines are supposed to cause.

      And your confusing bacterial diseases with viruses. Viruses are transmitted person-to-person and rarely through water and food.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 4, 2015 at 3:13 PM

      • You are wrong. Polio virus spread via shit in the water. And the reasons diseases, both bacterial and viral, are endemic to third world dumps have a great deal to do with nutrition and sanitation, same as what eliminated them in America. The vaccines are not magic guaranteed protection. Sorry, this is a topic with some nuance and you haven’t bothered to learn anything.


        February 4, 2015 at 3:20 PM

      • The polio-prevention website says that polio is spread by person-to-person contact:

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 4, 2015 at 3:48 PM

      • ‘It spreads through contact with the stool of an infected person and droplets from a sneeze or cough’


        February 4, 2015 at 4:21 PM

      • Yes, viruses are often transmitted via bodily fluids and wastes.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 4, 2015 at 5:14 PM

      • If dumb Americans want to leave the US and travel to cesspits of disease unvaccinated, it’s not the business of the US Govt. to prevent them. The US isn’t a prison, there are no exit requirements (short of being a wanted criminal).

        It IS the business of the US Govt. to prevent them from re-entering the US unvaccinated. Or deny entry to anyone from wherever who’s unvaccinated.

        Some Guy

        February 4, 2015 at 8:14 PM

    • > It IS the business of the US Govt. to prevent them from re-entering the US unvaccinated

      Everybody who got whooping cough in the recent outbreak was vaccinated. Like I said, the vaccines aren’t magic or nearly as effective as people seem to think. Worrying about who is entering the country should be a far higher priority than vaccination. Air travel in general is problematic as a disease vector, really.


      February 4, 2015 at 11:15 PM

  4. The anti-vaxxers would be intuitive feelers in the Myers-Briggs tests where as the people who do not worry at all about vaccines would be the sensing-thinkers. One can be smart but still be an intuitive feeler. Hollywood and the Arts are probably full of the Extroverted Intuitive Feelers who fear vaccines, GMO, power lines, and pipelines.


    February 4, 2015 at 3:16 PM

    • Myers-Briggs is self-reported, so I can answer the questions to get any personality I want.


      February 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM

  5. I think a large number of anti-vaccine people are actually evangelical Christians, which is somewhat contrary to the Lion’s theory.


    February 4, 2015 at 3:28 PM

    • Some are fundie christians but most non-vaxers are affluent, organic eating SWPL types. I was friends with a lady who didn’t vaccinate her kids, she also didn’t use diapers on her babies and carried a bowl around every for them to pee in.

      Vaccination is one of those issues that creates strange bedfellows between the far left and right.

      slithy toves

      February 4, 2015 at 4:36 PM

      • Yeah the anti vax nuts are at both the extreme left and right, although it originated from the left and spread to the right, similar to 9/11 conspiracy theories. They started on the left because…Bush. But now there are people on the far right who buy into it. And of course the birthers. That started with the PUMA Hillary supporters. I even knew one at the time of the 2008 election. Now they are almost on the right.

        Hey, I might be onto something! Conspiracy theories start on the left and move right…

        Mike Street Station

        February 5, 2015 at 11:00 AM

    • Yes, that was always my impression.


      February 4, 2015 at 5:14 PM

    • Nope. Overwhelmingly they’re Whole Foods progs following a health guru seeking money, status, power, and groupie sex.

      One day those gurus will dance on the graves of their followers’ non-vaccinated children.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      February 4, 2015 at 7:00 PM

      • Thus begging the question, how many whack-a-doo movements were inspired, originally, by the desire for groupie sex. I’m pretty sure Mormonism and Scientology fall into that category.


        February 5, 2015 at 4:57 AM

      • Thus begging the question, how many whack-a-doo movements were inspired, originally, by the desire for groupie sex. I’m pretty sure Mormonism and Scientology fall into that category.

        Islam. Not just for the founder but to attract worker bee recruits with the promise of female leftovers.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 5, 2015 at 8:57 PM

    • I guess one should never let reality get in the way of one’s prejudices. There are schools in Santa Monica California where 70% of the children are not vaccinated. How many evangelicals do you think live in Santa Monica.

      Also, many middle class whites work in industries such as public schools, law enforcement, or health care that have vaccination requirements for employment. How many movie studios, publishing houses, or law firms have vaccination requirements?


      February 4, 2015 at 9:31 PM

  6. You just threw out the catnip.

    If you want to bring out the nutters, start a discussion about the safety of vaccines.


    February 4, 2015 at 3:37 PM

    • go back to Gawker


      February 5, 2015 at 2:04 AM

  7. “The state with the highest percentage of vaccinated children is the normally backwards Mississipi.”

    Indeed. And the lowest percentage vaccinated? Oregon.


    February 4, 2015 at 3:44 PM

  8. I went out a couple of times with a poetry slam lovin’ artsy type woman who feared two things in this world: chemtrails and Scientologists. Especially the latter, she was obsessed with them. I mean I knew the Scientologists were kooky, but those who hate them may be even stranger.


    February 4, 2015 at 3:50 PM

    • Scientology is truly evil because it has been run by evil people since the beginning. Read the book Going Clear They likely don’t pose much threat for anyone who doesn’t get in their way, but woe be the person who does. They’ve been described as Americas largest domestic terrorist organization. That’s not an overstatement.


      February 5, 2015 at 5:01 AM

      • Here’s a story hardly anyone knows about. Back in the late ’80s, there was a middle-management Scientology cabal at Applied Materials, the giant SV company that made chip-making machines for Intel, Fujitsu etc. They would herd lower-level employees into seminars ostensibly about “efficiency” or some such, and there they’d indoctrinate them in the gobbledy-gook sci-fi language invented by Hubbard. One of those employees was a blind woman who objected on religious grounds. She was fired, sued, and won a nice settlement. The CEO was ignorant of the whole thing. When he found out, he got rid of the cabal.


        February 5, 2015 at 3:12 PM

  9. “I think a large number of anti-vaccine people are actually evangelical Christians, which is somewhat contrary to the Lion’s theory.”

    This NYT story suggests it is in fact more upscale educated left leaning types who are leading this, ideologically:


    February 4, 2015 at 3:54 PM

  10. Small sample size and limited evidence, but it does seem to somewhat agree with Lion:
    “Of the 11 participants who reported declining or delaying vaccination for 1 or more of their children, 3 were parents of 6 unvaccinated children with measles (50% of case-families). Nearly all were white and college-educated, and 9 (82%) had incomes higher than $100 000. They believed vaccination was unnecessary, because most vaccine-preventable diseases had already been reduced to very low risk by improvements in water, sanitation, and hygiene and were best prevented by “natural lifestyles,” including prolonged breastfeeding and organic foods.

    ‘The vast majority believe what other people like themselves believe, or what they’ve been taught to believe as a child’

    Maybe beliefs function as a proxy for social status. Holding the right beliefs raises one’s social standing.


    February 4, 2015 at 3:55 PM

    • When one is an extroverted intuitive feeler, one is going to go along with other of the same class. Personality types usually explains why someone cannot be convinced by evidence. What is amazing is that discussion of personality types has been abandoned by the media even though it is very applicable when it comes to risk communication.


      February 4, 2015 at 9:34 PM

  11. O/T – A new trend to blog about – Status is about great experiences, not buying more stuff. It suggesting that not being able to experience such as a trip to the Andes Mountains, means you’re still stuck in prole mode!


    February 4, 2015 at 4:08 PM

    • I suppose the article might have dealt with this question, but don’t both great experiences and “stuff” both cost a lot of money? I’d imagine that it is this and not lack of culture that keeps proles from having them. People go on about “the free things you can do in New York City,” but apart from public parks there really isn’t much that’s totally free. A subway ride to and from Manhattan costs $5, and when you factor in even an inexpensive lunch that probably makes it $15. You’ll probably spend at least $30 overall for any kind of “experience.” And the more impressive experiences will cost a lot more. The above amounts aren’t a lot of money for me, but for working-class proles with kids it can get too expensive. For proles, NYC is really good only for the job market and fhe fact that you can live without owning a car, A lot of people from other parts of the country would be surprised at how many of us in this city almost never go into Manhattan.if we work in one of the other boroughs.


      February 4, 2015 at 5:42 PM

      • If people would save money, instead of stuffing their homes with all kinds of junk, they could have used it for traveling.


        February 5, 2015 at 9:43 AM

    • I brought this up ages ago. The relationship between money and happiness shows a decreasing return for this very reason. The experience of ‘having all basic necessities met,’ can only be meaningfully topped by experiences that require incomes far beyond the level at which one can afford the basic necessities.


      February 4, 2015 at 6:51 PM

  12. Vaccine effectiveness can only be judged based on statistics across population and not based on personal experience. Statistics as a science is hard to understand, the actual data can be difficult to collect if you want to do it yourself. So, the most you can do is to believe what government/scientists/doctors and/or your friends tell you – whatever you find easy to believe. And it does not really matter what your IQ is.


    February 4, 2015 at 4:09 PM

  13. In 1998 Andrew Wakefield along with 12 other co-authors published a paper in The Lancet (a British medical journal) claiming a link between MMR vaccine and autism. This paper is based on the study of only 12 children. The small number of children in the study was immediately criticized by other researchers. No one were able to reproduce the results on larger samples of children.

    In 2004 it was revealed that UK lawyers planning to sue MMR vaccine manufactures helped find some of the children for this study and contributed part of the money to fund the research. When this was revealed, the 12 co-authors of the original paper withdrew their names on the paper and The Lancet withdrew the paper. In 2006 it was revealed the the UK lawyers had also personally paid Andrew Wakefield 400,000 English pounds for publishing the paper.

    In 2010 after years of hearings the English General Medical Council removed Wakefield’s name from the UK medical register. This is effectively the same thing as revoking his license to practice medicine in the USA.

    Also in 2009/2010 some researchers obtained the clinical histories of the 12 subjects in the original study from the hospital where Wakefield worked. They found that data in the clinical histories was differed from the data published in The Lancet paper. Some of the children the paper claimed were diagnosed with autism, had no diagnoses of autism in their clinical histories.

    After the publication of 1998 paper, suspicion fell on Thiomersal, which is preservative used in some vaccines that contains mercury. Although there was no evidence that Thiomersal can cause any harm or autism, in 1999 at the height of the controversy the US Centers for Disease Control and the American Academy of Pediatrics ask vaccine manufactures to stop using it. Believers in the MMR/autism link feel this request was an admission that Thiomersal was causing autism. There have been no vaccines manufactured with Thiomersal in well over 10 years now and the autism rate continues to climb.

    The link between MMR vaccine and autism has been as totally discredited and shown to be fraudulent. Why anyone who still believes in it in 2015 is taken seriously, I do not understand.


    February 4, 2015 at 4:15 PM

    • Thanks for outlining the controversy. I had heard the author was disgraced, but did not know any of the details.


      February 4, 2015 at 5:19 PM

    • Thanks for that well written passage. You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.


      February 4, 2015 at 5:42 PM

    • Well, whether it be increased diagnosis of people who were previously known as simpletons or “mentally retarded”, or an actual environmental effect, we still aren’t sure.

      Maybe this is the first time in history where systematizing nerds, previously a small minority of the population, have experienced increased fitness due to the information and tech boom, and a side effect is all these autistic children who are just the exaggerated phenotype of these beta nerds.


      February 4, 2015 at 6:58 PM

  14. When you say that both climate change and anti vaccine claims are wrong what are you basing it on? That you’ve independently studied both issues and come to the conclusion that vaccines are safe and that climate change isn’t happening? You’re the only person who places that much emphasis on your on personal beliefs about any given issue. What’s most people care about is what the relevant authorities say and the authorities say that vaccines are safe and anthropogenic climate change is a reality.

    So if you want to argue against climate change you should at least acknowledge that doing so puts you in a position similar to those who are opposed to vaccines.

    Howie Stern

    February 4, 2015 at 4:19 PM

    • “What’s most people care about is what the relevant authorities say and the authorities say that vaccines are safe and anthropogenic climate change is a reality.”

      The “authorities” say no such thing about climate change. That “97% agree” line touted everywhere is plainly and simply a lie. It is part of the propaganda campaign.


      February 4, 2015 at 5:48 PM

      • I never mentioned a specific number but if you have some link showing that there isn’t an overwhelming majority I’d be interested.

        Also if you have some specific issue (e.g not just saying its a really complicated subject and the data has lots of adjustments) with the science I’d like to hear that as well.

        Every specific issue raised by anti climate change arguments is either patently absurd or something that has been addressed convincingly in the literature (often in the same papers that people are selectively quoted by people arguing against climate change).

        Howie Stern

        February 4, 2015 at 6:49 PM

  15. So you think global warming aka climate change is also incorrect? I’d love to see a post on that.
    How do you know that the belief that it’s incorrect isn’t a similar information cascade spreading through you?


    February 4, 2015 at 4:28 PM

    • Lion considers himself an expert on quasi-religious beliefs and thinks global warming is one. I have no opinion here as the topic is over my head, but right or wrong, he’s definitely right about most people who care really hard about catastrophic climate change being akin to religious nuts. Most of the people who are shrieking about catastrophic climate change aren’t any more informed on the subject than I am.

      OT: Scott Alexander on how to think about IQ:

      Grey Enlightenment and Jayman are commenting there, and I hope more people from this realm do too. Scott is great and finding him is like reading The Last Psychiatrist or Roissy for the first time. You’ll binge read and if he doesn’t change your mind about anything, he’ll probably sway you on something.


      February 4, 2015 at 6:00 PM

      • Mmm … I think SA’s a better stylist* than big thinker. But amusing from time to time. He seems to have carte blanche to troll the progs, which shows some talent.

        By the way, if you google parts of a quotation he provides in that post, you can see that his brother’s name is Jeremy Siskind. Compare the post with this:

        * except the grating “I tried to practice piano as hard as he did. I really tried.”. Time to retire this little tic, writers. I understand it’s neat, I really do. But kill your darling.


        February 5, 2015 at 5:28 AM

      • Scott Alexander provides one of the best summaries of and critics of neo-reaction I’ve read. He does seem to be a high value thinker.

        Mike Street Station

        February 5, 2015 at 11:17 AM

  16. I’ve yet to meet someone who doesn’t give their kids the MMR vaccines, but I know a couple of SWPLs who have their kids on a delayed vaccine schedule and they’re opting out of the chicken pox and polio vaccines. This doesn’t seem too odd to me, although the idea of not giving my kid the polio vaccine freaks me out. When it comes to erring on the side of caution, I’m much more worried about him ending up in the ER with a bad fever and coming into contact with the saliva of some polio-ridden tourist from a third world country than I am about him having some adverse side effect.

    Vaccines are one thing that I was happy to defer to the expert consensus on. When my wife was pregnant, I started reading about them and quickly realized that I’d give myself an ulcer if I started reading about every single one that my kid would get if he’s on the standard US schedule, which he is. I have a relative who’s a pediatrician and I emailed her with a few questions and concerns that I had. She was pretty reassuring about the US vaccination schedule and told me that it wouldn’t be unreasonable to put my kid on a delayed vaccine schedule as long as he gets all of them, but that in her opinion, I’d be wasting a lot of time with multiple trips to the pediatrician. I decided to take her advice and haven’t thought much about it since.


    February 4, 2015 at 4:44 PM

  17. I think Rand is demonstrating his political brilliance by making this an issue. First, we should define what is really at stake here. If you don’t have a plethora of educated, upper class, female friends with kids you might not get what is going on. Rand Paul is not anti-vaccine. He’s vaccinated. All his kids are vaccinated. What Rand did, and what most of the “Whole Foods Moms” who have an issue with vaccines do, is simply spread the number of shots out rather than take them all at a once, and avoid any vaccines that aren’t truly necessary. We know through studies that combined vaccines elevate the risk of febrile seizures and frankly, that is enough on its own that a prudent parent might chose to spread the vaccines out. There is no medical reason to get them all at once. But of course most of these Whole Foods Moms also worry that there might be more risks involved with combination vaccines than the ones that have been thus far determined. This is a huge, huge issue among well off white women on the West Coast who generally don’t vote for Republicans in nearly the same numbers as well off white women in the South or midwest, so becoming their champion could really help Rand out.

    Perez HBD

    February 4, 2015 at 5:08 PM

    • Just from the perspective of going easy on the immune system and liver, the fewer chemicals you put into your body at one time, the less stress it will put on those organ systems.

      A delayed schedule makes intuitive sense.


      February 4, 2015 at 7:02 PM

  18. High IQ people are more dedicated to abstract ideology and will bend facts in favor of it. Also they enjoy the intellectual novelty of trying to justify counter-intuitive propositions; a lot of the time counter-intuitive propositions can actually be true but sometimes they really are wrong.


    February 4, 2015 at 5:24 PM

  19. Anti-vaccine-ism is just a niche form of status whoring and I’m-a-better-mommy-than-you-are one-upmanship (or perhaps one-upwomanship).


    February 4, 2015 at 5:51 PM

  20. What about the light rail transit movement, would this be another example of the Luddite movement often championed by SWPL’s. Light rail is technically an older technology than the automobile and has many short commings. A car can take you anywhere you want, anytime, and has point to point capabilities something that no public transit system can offer. Despite this there has been a massive propaganda campaign orchestrated by mainstream media to paint public transit as a wise investment.


    February 4, 2015 at 5:55 PM

    • Automabiles are convenient in the absence of a traffic jam and readily available parking space. In many large cities this is true.


      February 4, 2015 at 6:59 PM

    • I think Uber may be changing that. SWPLs love it. And now Uber is researching self-driving cars.

      Similarly, high-speed rail doesn’t make much sense in the US, except for a handful of routes where it would be impractical anyway due to US property laws. But, as James Fallows pointed out years ago, we have plenty of little-used, small airports, and small, efficient air taxis could make a lot of sense for intercity travel.

      Dave Pinsen

      February 4, 2015 at 6:59 PM

    • Mass transit works well in high-density cities like NYC or Boston.

      Not so much in the Sun Belt, where most of the USA’s new population growth is occurring.


      February 4, 2015 at 9:19 PM

      • I live in a growing west coast city that is slow to the mass transit game but trying to catch up. I used to be skeptical of density and mass transit but no more. The highways are simply too clogged now making travel anywhere during rush hours (7-9:30am) and 4:30-7pm) a miserable experience. I take express buses between cities now as much as possible and use rail when it is available. I only wish there was more of it.

        High rise development is going gangbusters in my area and has been great for investors. I’m thinking of selling my suburban home and buying into a high rise not only for the convenience and urban amenities but also because the suburbs are getting invaded by section 8 people and downtown is where the upper class are moving.


        February 5, 2015 at 4:50 AM

      • I’d be into public transportation more if I were certain progressives wouldn’t keep everyone from using it:


        February 5, 2015 at 3:48 PM

    • I think Uber may be changing that. SWPLs love it. And now Uber is researching self-driving cars.

      They’d better get self driving cars into production ASAP before the inevitable serial killer joins as an Uber driver and kidnaps women. The cars can serve as collateral for the ensuing lawsuits and tabloid hysteria.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      February 4, 2015 at 9:39 PM

      • Or perhaps your self-driving Uber instead delivers you to a remote warehouse to meet a new friend. I see some movie potential here.


        February 5, 2015 at 5:32 AM

      • Or perhaps your self-driving Uber instead delivers you to a remote warehouse to meet a new friend. I see some movie potential here.

        A real axe murderer is unlikely to be smart enough to hack a self driving car’s computer. But it would be a great plot for movies that are only happy to wrongly portray deviant criminals as genius Hannibal Lecters.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        February 5, 2015 at 9:01 PM

  21. Based on my experience with anti-vaxxers, their mentality seems to be a combination of distrust of the current establishment, them being a product of a pampered life, and pure selfishness. It is easy to be angry with them if you are in the pro vaccination camp, but when you really stop and listen to what they are saying you start to see their views are products of other systematic problems. Those screaming “what about the science” are not helping because they are not addressing the legitimate concerns of the anti-vaxxers and ultimately doing a disservice to society as a whole. Like a lot of things, this debate should be more nuanced but is quickly devolving into “I am right and you are an idiot who knows nothing”.

    yuppy scum

    February 4, 2015 at 6:11 PM

    • well yeah I don’t think it’s a good idea to be putting mercury into your system, or that of your kids


      February 5, 2015 at 2:13 AM

  22. well written, lion.


    February 4, 2015 at 6:21 PM

    • pretty much all bias, conjecture, and unsubstantiated statements


      February 5, 2015 at 2:10 AM

      • Unheard of on a personal blog.


        February 5, 2015 at 3:58 PM

      • and that’s why we love it!


        February 5, 2015 at 4:27 PM

  23. Yeah, rubella. My 2003 oneitis was from a dirt-poor, backcountry Mexico family and her younger brother had gotten congenital rubella in the mid-1980s. It left him deaf, and being in middle-of-nowhere northwestern Mexico, he had never received sign-language education, so even as a young adult he was basically communicating using charades-type gestures and grunts.


    February 4, 2015 at 6:38 PM

  24. I guarantee you that the anti-vaccine people are the same people who want to do something to stop “climate change.” They are the people who are trying to flush “toxins” from their body and who buy herbal supplements (which New York State has determined do not even contain the herbs claimed on the packaging).

    ‘Tis a Gaian ritual, to be sure.

    That anti-vaccine people have higher-than-average IQs shows us something very unusual about modern memes. Traditionally, if a belief was more commonly believed by people with higher IQs, that always meant the belief is true, but this correlation is no longer reliably valid.

    Only nerds believe what they believe because they have independently verified the science and/or used logical thought to arrive at the belief.

    Confirms what I’ve said before : Liberal intelligence is overstated. Liberals are smarter than the national average but not smart enough to deep dive into the research papers. This is why they fall for pseudo-intellectual media celebrities while real geniuses are left malnurished, homeless, and whipped by hobos.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    February 4, 2015 at 6:43 PM

    • But “conservative” Rand Paul also believes in the nonsense.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 4, 2015 at 9:14 PM

      • Rand believes in vaccines. He also believes in parental choice in these matters, which is why he makes a handy foil for establishment media. To them, there is no difference between believing that vaccines are safe and effective and believing they should be mandatory. There have always been exemptions for vaccines, but a concept like “liberty” is so alien to the establishment media that they can’t tell the difference between an anti-vaxxer and someone who thinks parents should have a say. Watching Hardball this week was a great demonstration of that.

        Mike Street Station

        February 5, 2015 at 11:25 AM

    • Rand’s a libertarian. He wouldn’t be a Paul if he weren’t for unsanitary individualism.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      February 4, 2015 at 9:28 PM

    • Once again, an intuitive feeler is never going to be convinced by research papers or data. They know what is right and will only listen to arguments that reinforce what they feel.


      February 4, 2015 at 9:36 PM

  25. OT, but here’s Ann Coulter making the case for Mitt Romney over Jeb Bush:

    Dave Pinsen

    February 4, 2015 at 6:53 PM

    • Jeb’s horrible but Coulter’s argument is more of the ‘wouldn’t he make a great president’ line without any ‘could he ever win’ thinking. At least with arguments like this coming from the right we never have to wonder why Lefties thought Stevenson and Dukakis could win. It reminds me of music fans who can never grasp why some great bands never break through to a mass audience (though it is typically pretty obvious if one quits equating one’s own taste for the taste of the general public).


      February 5, 2015 at 4:35 AM

    • “Immigration is an ‘act of love’ only in the sense that someone is getting screwed.” Ha, ha!


      February 5, 2015 at 7:43 AM

  26. and this again demonstrates the 100% pure bullshit that is hereditism.

    because both ASD and ADHD are as heritable as IQ according to some studies.

    is the rise due to changes in allele frequencies?

    is the Pope a Hindu?

    Robert Gabriel Mugabe

    February 4, 2015 at 7:48 PM

    • Anti-vaxers say autism has increased. Pro-vaxers says it’s stayed the same, but more people are getting diagnosed


      February 4, 2015 at 9:33 PM

      • There is little reason to believe most people who call themselves scientists. The standards of evidence in most fields in the sciences are low and rapidly declining (there are exceptions). I believe very little of what is said. I’m a professional mathematician and in every single instance in which I have carefully investigated an issue I have been horrified. Strident assertions, often blatantly contradicting well-known theorems, made in absence of any evidence whatsoever is par for the course.

        The medical community in particular has much to answer for. Although they are not especially remiss, the consequences of mistakes and oversights are tremendous and therefore their lack of proper standards is particularly egregious.

        Although I see little reason to believe that vaccines are not effective (it is hard to ignore the very rapid rates of decline in infections of certain diseases after vaccination programs are initiated) and I doubt that, except in very rare cases, vaccines are responsible for serious illnesses (it should be noted that vaccines CLEARLY cause significant harm in a small number of cases ), I don’t blame people for not believing the assertions of the medical community. That is the proper response to the lack of standards.

        I am concerned by the fact that many vaccines are no manufactured in China. I don’t trust Chinese manufacturers to make food fit for my dog, why on earth would I inject Chinese vaccines into my children?


        February 5, 2015 at 12:33 AM

      • My thoughts exactly. Lion’s invocation of “science” here almost makes me think he is trolling. Presumably the “science” of vaccination comes from the same species of corrupt, PC bureaucrat-dominated institution that gave us “global warming”. If the state and its fans are urging me to inject myself with viruses “for my own good, and for the children”, then my default attitude is extreme skepticism.


        February 5, 2015 at 11:07 AM

      • Smart people who hate vaccines shouldn’t have to rely on far out propositions like ‘just because the two aren’t correlated doesn’t mean they’re independent’ or ‘I don’t want to take the chance of being an outlier.’ Why not point to the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP)? Why was it set up if there wasn’t an ‘issue?’ Afaik something like 2 billion has been awarded to around 2,000 plaintiffs. While there aren’t many plaintiffs, the fact that there is a program and that so much money has been awarded is more compelling evidence/reason for ‘suspicion.’


        February 5, 2015 at 2:13 PM

      • Or, for that matter, why do vaccines enjoy legal immunity more so than other drugs?


        February 5, 2015 at 9:06 PM

      • “I’m a professional mathematican”

        Your complaint is common among mathematicians I work with (I am a statistician, work a lot in social/health sciences). They seem completely unwilling to accept even the most basic statistical results in health and social sciences as valid information. I think this comes from being uncomfortable with uncertainty, but I’m not sure. I’d really like your take as a mathematician on this, and whether your point of view is as common among mathematicians as I think it is.

        Also, remember, the medical community is in a tough spot: failing to approve a medication which is helpful can harm just as much as approving a harmful medication, we just don’t see the effects of the first. This leads me to believe that society will be biased toward standards which are much too tight, not too lax.


        February 5, 2015 at 1:38 PM

      • Your disdain for mathematicians is seriously misguided. Being excellent at math myself, I remember seeing many fellow students at college that couldn’t do the basic math necessary to balance their checkbooks. These were not student athletes or diversity admissions either, they were supposedly studying to be nurses or medical clinicians. Do you really trust the statistics of studies funded by Pharmaceutical Companies that fund these for the purposes of selling products, because you must be pretty gullible if you do. Most of these studies nowadays are just Academical Commercials to sell the New Improved Snake Oil for everything from Erectile Dysfunction to the Common Cold. And, no, I’m not being cynical.

        Joshua Sinistar

        February 6, 2015 at 5:16 PM

    • Surely an increase in diagnosis does not necessarily imply an increase in occurrence but could as easily reflect an increase in diagnostic sophistication.


      February 5, 2015 at 4:27 AM

      • dear God Curle, with such an increase in “sophistication” the inevitable result is that every man woman and child has some mental disorder. now the morons in the pentagon have claimed Putin is an Aspie. wtf? it’s the stupidity stupid.

        nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.

        Robert Gabriel Mugabe

        February 6, 2015 at 12:59 AM

      • Here’s my theory. Women who are Rh- are more likely to carry genes for autism/ schizophrenia. Due to medical advances these women no longer risk losing children to hemolytic disease and have contributed to the genepool in the past few generations more than in any other point in human history.

        Add to this the (historically) recent financial success of “nerds,” making them attractive to at least *some* women, and it becomes a cauldron for “autism.”

        slithy toves

        February 7, 2015 at 6:12 PM

  27. Anti-vaccination is part of the anti-government, anti-regulation, libertarian movement. Vaccination places a higher value on protecting the herd than protecting any one individual member of the herd.

    Mark Caplan

    February 4, 2015 at 8:31 PM

    • It’s largely part of the anti-business movement. Suspicion of big pharma by the left


      February 4, 2015 at 9:30 PM

      • Exactly. These SWPLs would tell you that they aren’t anti-science but rather anti-technology because they suspect the motives of the people who are developing and pushing the technology — greedy capitalists. I suspect (having once been one) that most Libertarians are pro-vaccination.


        February 5, 2015 at 7:19 AM

  28. If Lion is right about anti-vaxers having higher IQs, it’s probably because IQ is correlated with liberalism.

    Liberals are suspicious of big pharma & see the large numbers of vaccines as a money making scam that scientists are too afraid to challenge because liberals believe they too are in the pocket of big pharma & they believe the medical lobby is terrified of law suits & controls the scientists & the academic journals


    February 4, 2015 at 9:28 PM

  29. 1) There’s very little evidence vaccines caused autism. That does not, however, mean vaccines carry no risks. A very small number of people who are vaccinated will have negative reactions. Some minor, some permanently debilitating or even fatal. However, the odds overwhelmingly favor vaccination. Because the risks of being harmed or dying from the disease in an unvaccinated population are many orders of magnitude greater than the very small risk of adverse reaction. Also, many vaccines contained thimerosol which is a mercury derivative. Even if the mercury in vaccines never caused autism it was still really bad stuff that should never have been used.

    2) Studies show people generally base their views and opinions on psychology and use intelligence to support them after the fact. This is why so few people can be persuaded to change their views. It’s because their views aren’t based on reason. Of course, some people do eventually change their opinions on some issues. So it’s not completely set in concrete.

    3) The left imagines that it owns the rights science. This is largely due to the right being traditionally religious and left being against traditionally religion. And this is in spite of the foundations of science being laid by religious men in a very religious society. In fact, most scientists are still religious. The perception exists because leftist / atheists have largely made the debate between their “science based” views and those of “fundamentalists” ie. abortion, gay rights, etc. However, disagreements over those are generally based more on politics, values and psychology than actual science. Outside of a few things such as creationism or the belief in god there’s not that much difference between the two on how each views the mundane. Scientists no more believe miracles are happening in their experiments than religious mechanics believe there are miracles happening inside a transmission.

    4) In fact, the left is as much anti-science as the right. And I’m not even talking about wiccans and new agers. 41% of Dems are themselves young earth creationists. Which doesn’t exactly bolster their standing as the people of the science book. Not to mention “cognitive creationists” who believe in evolution of the human body but not the brain. Especially evolutionary psychology. If the right has declared a war on science then the left has declared Armageddon, They’re antinuclear because of the waste-disposal, anti–fossil fuels because of global warming, antihydroelectric because dams disrupt river ecosystems, and anti–wind power because of avian fatalities. They’ve repeatedly pushed green energy and ev’s even though the numbers show they’re still not viable. They argue that marijuana is non addictive and harmless even though studies show it is addictive, causes birth defects, brain damage and lowers IQ. Yet they obsess over the purity of their air, water and food. And health-care pseudoscience. One of the biggest has been “colon cleansing”. More recently Gwyneth has advocated steaming clams. Yes. THAT clam. Chelation. Detox. Herbals. Homeopathy. Wtf is wrong with those people??? At least annointing with olive oil is safe. Of course, the MSM doesn’t present it that way because it’s part of their faith as well. Instead they present the beliefs of their political opponents as anti-science and focus on those instead.

    5) Pew just did a survey of scientists and the public comparing the difference between their opinions on many issues. There’s quite a gap on many issues. Even more interesting, scientists are often split on their opinions as well. Often, scientists will agree 2 to 1. But that’s hardly unanimous. And I’m not sure one should automatically agree with scientists even if they were unanimous. I figure they’re much, much more likely to be right if there is general agreement. ie 2/3 majority. But occasionally settled issues turn out to be not so settled.


    February 4, 2015 at 10:45 PM

    • Identical twin studies indicate autism is ~90% genetic. However the small group of identical twins not congruent for autism suggest epigenetic factors. There is also the problem that any diagnosis of autism is based on consensus science, i.e. it can essentially mean what you want in any given context. Case in point the poor soul drooling on the table is suddenly placed in the same category as Bill Gates and Glenn Gould.

      slithy toves

      February 5, 2015 at 8:14 AM

  30. “I have heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines.”

    such a statement indicates nuttiness only if he’s making it up.

    but the problem here is:
    1. the trust in authority which the Mercan middle class has, not IQs high or low.
    2. psychiatry is a business and subjective and children are easy marks.

    Savage is correct but perhaps only in 90% of cases and not 99%:
    “[a] fraud, a racket. … I’ll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it’s a brat who hasn’t been told to cut the act out. That’s what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they’re silent? They don’t have a father around to tell them, ‘Don’t act like a moron. You’ll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don’t sit there crying and screaming, idiot.’ “

    child psychiatry is like education and healthcare, just another example of the hypertrophy of value transference in a post scarcity economy.


    it’s the stupidity stupid!

    Robert Gabriel Mugabe

    February 5, 2015 at 12:32 AM

    • like the Flynn Effect the changes can’t be due to changes in allele frequencies or other genetic changes and cannot be due to any biological effects like brain damage from vaccines.

      but so stupid are hereditists that they have explained this explosion in diagnoses as the result of older fathers. Downs is much more common for women over 35 iirc, and there’s a blood test for it. but its rate hasn’t even doubled over the last 25 years.

      Robert Gabriel Mugabe

      February 5, 2015 at 12:36 AM

  31. Paul is NOT nuts. in fact, he’s made a distinction too subtle for most scientists in my experience.

    there is an assumption that there are no rare side-effects. if the side-effect is sufficiently rare and the disease sufficiently common a statistically significant association between the vaccine and the side-effect will not be found.

    that is, to look at all the kids who were vaccinated and find that there is no discernibly increased risk of developing autism or whatever does not mean that in fact there is no risk.

    if it were your kid and he got very sick immediately after the vaccination you wouldn’t be irrational in blaming the vaccine.

    Robert Gabriel Mugabe

    February 5, 2015 at 12:46 AM

    • Those antivaxxers with high IQ might rationalize it by saying another subtle point scientists don’t get is just as correlation does not equal causation; lack of correlation does not equal lack of causation.

      That is, the people who get vaccinated and don’t are not random and if those who get vaccinated are genetically less likely to get autism, then any increases risk of autism would by negated in the aggregata data

      High IQ people can rationalize whatever belief they have


      February 5, 2015 at 12:46 PM

  32. It’s well known among vets that the rabies vaccine causes cancer in cats ( It got to the point vets would give the shot to them in their tail so that when the inevitable cancer developed they could simply amputate the tail.

    Since no one knows why the rabies vaccine causes cancer, no one can know why other vaccines won’t. It is entirely possible cancer in humans is caused by some vaccine given to us as a baby. What about childhood leukemia? MS? Alzheimer’s? There are all kinds of weird and relatively new diseases for which it’s in no one’s interest to look too hard for the cause, as opposed to the cure.

    No question vaccines are great for society, but whether they are great for the individual, is far from conclusive.


    February 5, 2015 at 12:57 AM

  33. What’s next? Vaccinate pets?


    February 5, 2015 at 2:56 AM

    • Cats should be vaccinated for feline leukemia.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 5, 2015 at 9:11 AM

      • Somebody owns a cat…


        February 5, 2015 at 11:10 AM

      • Can Lion perhaps blog on the social signaling aspects of pet ownership. A person who owns a golden Lab and a person who owns 5 pets are very different.


        February 5, 2015 at 12:55 PM

      • Golden Retrievers are upper-class and Pit Bulls are prole.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 5, 2015 at 2:40 PM

  34. It seems like a demonstration of simple group decisions to me.

    Vaccination provides a gain by conferring immunity to a disease, but also extracts a cost through to the risks of taking the vaccine. I recall that vaccination against bird flu(?) a few years ago put a number of adults in my circle of acquaintance to bed for a few days. I also seem to recall that vaccination occasionally can kill children, but this seems impossible to google straightforwardly. From what I once learned, a vaccine is basically crushed dead bacterial shells injected so your immune system can learn to recognize invaders in a safer setting. But not entirely safe.

    Anyway, we thus have a cost/benefit problem. As a greater part of the population is vaccinated, the risk of getting the disease declines so the benefit of vaccination declines too. Meanwhile, the risk of vaccination remains unchanged, which worsens the cost/benefit ratio. Defecting by not vaccinating thus becomes increasingly attractive and so there should be an increase in defectors until disease once again rises to make vaccination worth it.


    February 5, 2015 at 5:57 AM

  35. Lion,
    Here’s a really sad story about outsourced IT workers – they had already endured a sweatshop culture and suffered workplace violence; now their department is essentially being dismantled in order to bring in H-1Bs. Once again, there’s the good ol’ “train your replacement or no severance” threat.

    I will say that this is a remarkably sympathetic piece coming from the corporate IT trade press, whose tone has historically been dictated by the industry executives on their advisory boards and tends to scapegoat the rank-and-file (its own readers) for every problem in the industry.


    February 5, 2015 at 9:08 AM

  36. ”High iq” people don’t seems very intelligent, ;).
    (pseudo-dogmatic liberalism, drugs…)
    You can rationalize, but when lack of evidences, you need stop and think about their attitudes.
    Autism always there since humanity start to produce rock paintings.
    Prostitutes, called ”actresses”, are worried about their miserable kids that could born honest and nerd, intelectually oriented, than prostitute moms.

    Vaccines don’t need to be compulsory.

    let’s see what this is going.

    In many families with autism cases, is likely that many relatives to be prodigious, called, real gifted people. Autism, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder or adhd, are mental excesses, in homeopatic doses can produce giftedness, but explain the simplest to animals is very complicated.

    Human brain complexity is a result of ”evolutionary error”. Nature favors health and ”balance”, not intelligence.

    In some cases, vaccines can cause autoimmune response of body. SOME cases. When the children born ”normal” and AFTER the vaccine, show abrupt change in their behavior.


    February 5, 2015 at 2:41 PM

    • “High iq people don’t seems very intelligent”

      I think the issue here is that high-IQ people don’t necessarily think logically all of the time. Just as someone who has the genetics to be a great athlete could just be too lazy to do that and he sits at home and watches TV instead.

      High IQ people will often use their high IQ to justify their beliefs instead of using logical thinking to figure out the truth.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 5, 2015 at 4:31 PM

      • I read somewhere that schizophrenia rates is decrease while autism rates is increasing. Autism relate with great brain in childhood, weight, bigger babies. Woman with higher testosterone tend to be obese or overweight. Schizophrenia rates increase in period of hungry. Lower weight in born, lower brain size during childhood. Increase of overweight can be the most. Important cause of increase of autism rates.

        About “iq smart people and Kanazawa paradox”. Real smart don’t commit and believe in silly mistakes. The problem is the enphasis in iq.


        February 6, 2015 at 8:13 AM

      • Many misconceptions about autism and their ”symptoms”.

        ”Autistics are a homogeneous group”

        Nope, they are very diverse, some labelled autistic can be very functional, more intelectually functional than most of self-called normal.

        Autism is like giftedness with higher a very higher custs.

        ”Only 10% of autistics have -savant talents-”

        Nope, ALL functional autistics (non-classic autistics) have some degree of savant talent because all them have ”obsessive or narrow interests” that produce super specialization, very good at math, or very good at history, or very good at play video games.

        ”Neurotypicals have larger personal interests, autistics have narrow interests, called ”obsessions”.

        Nope, most self-called normal people (aka, majority people) have narrow interests like autistics, the fundamental differences is that autistic interests tend to be unusual (observe supposed uninteresting events or phenomena) or and INTELECTUAL, aka, non-social. Then, autistic people have NON_SOCIAL interests and not only or specially, NARROW interests. All of us have some obsession, football or sports in general, gossips, sex, SOCIALIZATION, etc…

        ”Autistics are less smart than normal ones”

        Nope, the opposite is more likely to be.

        ”Autistic couldn’t to be president”

        Nope, autistics can in average, to be unable to tell lies during long term period, but it don’t implies that autistics can’t or don’t know how govern a country. Many them, specially those who are obsessive with history, geopolitics (and, and, biology, anthropology, psychology) can govern a city, a neighborhood or a country, much better than most of ”our” politicians. Politics today need psychopathic traits to be succesfull.

        ”Autistics are retard”

        Autism is like a ”light savant syndrome”, where savant syndrome have higher mental retardation combined with equally higher super-narrowed gift. Autistics tend to have higher to very lower mental retardation (many times, pseudo-mental retardation) combined with cognitive super specializations. Gifted people tend to follow this spectrum, where will be lower to inexistent mental retardation and cognitive super specializations.

        ”Autistics no have empathy and have social interaction deficits”

        Most people are SIMPATHETIC or ”nice” (cool, better word to explain) all the time without developed empathy. Psychopaths are very simpathetic or ”cool”, pseudo-emotionally smart. Autistics tend to be honest and sincere. Our societies were constructed on lies. Without lies, the people couldn’t live together.

        Social deficits in autistics is very contextual, like everything. If all society were composed by autistic people, there would be not autistic social deficit.

        People like lies as ”certainty about afterlife” or ”we are all the same”, ”all can be a genius”, ”beauty is relative” (in true, beauty is diversified, and not relative).

        I think i could be slightly autistic, i have intelectual interests, i have contextual social interaction deficits, i like move my body when i’m euphoric, but i can understand emotions of the people in many ways, different than autistics who only can understand emotions by rationalized analysis.


        February 6, 2015 at 2:12 PM

      • I guess it’s true that black women tend to be heavy set or have a propensity to be overweight, more than other women.


        February 6, 2015 at 2:29 PM

      • As Paul Coojimans said, autistics no have instinctive, primitive psychological traits.


        February 6, 2015 at 2:41 PM

  37. Vaccination problems is like blood donors. They think that we are the same.


    February 5, 2015 at 2:44 PM

  38. Reminds me of Satoshi Kanazawa’s “The Intelligence Paradox: Why the Intelligent Choice Isn’t Always the Smart One”.

    Lion of Judah/Live-Evil

    February 5, 2015 at 8:07 PM

    • The problem about “smart choices” is the subjectivity and objectivity combined with personal nature. Real adaptability.


      February 6, 2015 at 8:18 AM

  39. the bullshit that is psychiatry in flashing Neon for all those with eyes to see:

    Robert Gabriel Mugabe

    February 5, 2015 at 8:30 PM

    • a person with mental problems claiming psychiatry is bullshit. novel.


      February 6, 2015 at 1:11 PM

      • who’s that?

        were you claiming psychiatry is bullshit?

        Robert Gabriel Mugabe

        February 6, 2015 at 5:18 PM

      • and it’s not just psychiatry. it’s psychology and behavior genetics in general.

        i’m in the BGI study…so maybe that is novel.

        Robert Gabriel Mugabe

        February 6, 2015 at 5:21 PM

  40. why isn’t this showing up in the queue?

    flashing neon for all those with eyes to see psychology and psychiatry are pseudosciences for dumb people:

    Robert Gabriel Mugabe

    February 5, 2015 at 8:35 PM

  41. and in case bumpkin person confused you:
    the white dichorionic monozygotic (MZ) and dizygotic (DZ) within-pair mean squares were quite similar.
    using the usual formala for estimating h^2 given data from MZ twins and DZ twins raised together, this means h^2 for MZ twins is neglisgible for IQ.

    Robert Gabriel Mugabe

    February 5, 2015 at 10:18 PM

  42. These data suggest to us that (1) in white twin pairs dichorionic placentas are of greater influence than the similarity or dissimilarity of genomes with regard to intrapair IQ development, and (2) failure to consider chorion type may introduce a serious bias in the interpretation of genetic variance estimates of IQ variability.

    Robert Gabriel Mugabe

    February 5, 2015 at 10:22 PM

    • and there are two more studies showing the same for the block design subtest. one in Toronto. the other in France. and the concordance for SCZ for monochorionic twins was 60%, but only 11% for dichorionic in Davis and Phelps 1995.

      i predict hereditists will rebrand themselves as congenitalists…or just go on bs-ing.

      Robert Gabriel Mugabe

      February 6, 2015 at 6:57 AM

  43. Medical Science like all science used to be a search for Truth. That died around the time Stephen J. Gould the biggest fraud of the 20th Century debunked the research of real scientists to further the Leftist agenda of egalitarian bullshit common to Humanist Cultists. I wouldn’t trust anything science has to say anymore. After the frauds of “Race is a social construct” and Global Warming causes asteroid strikes and let’s not forget fracking causes Earthquakes, these goons in labcoats are just conmen without the charm to run three-card monte shams in the street.
    Also, the efficacy of vaccines aside, you must realize that most of today’s vaccines are manufactured in India a country where most people bathe in the polluted Ganges River because its “Holy” and China the poisonous Dog Food Capitol of the World. Let’s not forget the wonderful Pakinstani doctors that go to the best Medical Schools in Islam where they teach the Quran and little else.
    But, this issue is really just “Hey, squirrel!” when you think about it which you obviously haven’t. There has been a remarkable increase in disease outbreaks like Measles, Whooping Cough, and even a polio-like illness that is probably Polio that just happens to coincide with waves of invaders from Yo Quiera Taco Hell. Of course it can’t be those unvaccinated undocumented invaders that fill sweatshops and put Americans out of work it must be Evil Republicans who hate science like Jenny McCarthy or Rosie O’Donnell, right?

    Joshua Sinistar

    February 6, 2015 at 1:39 PM

  44. ”I guess it’s true that black women tend to be heavy set or have a propensity to be overweight, more than other women.”

    autism is related with mental excess. Blacks tend to have more schizophrenia than autism (seems, if psychologics are confusing ”lower rational thinking ability combined with lower technical-iq intelligence as schizophrenia”. Schizophrenia in every race also related with mental excess, in homeopatic doses produce higher abilities like all other mental disorders. Blacks aren’t the same than other races, then, different phenotypical combinations produce different suscetibilities and different manifestations of the same suscetibilities, like, autism in somali immigrants in Minnesota tend to be ”lower functioning”, because lower average iq of somali people while, autism in caucasoid populations with high intelligence, autism tend to express as ”giftedness with higher custs”, but, generally, functional or non-classic- autistics tend to be very specialized-talent, independent of race, religion…. (mating patterns also can explain why somali autistics tend to be low functioning, if in proto-primitive societies, socialization is very important to higher classes)

    I follow a east asian autistic community in Facebook and YES, i see very interesting and beautifull paintings made by autistic east asians.


    February 6, 2015 at 3:42 PM

  45. […] Apparently, when Obama said “the science right now is inconclusive”, he only meant the science of what causes autism. He couldn’t possibly have meant the science of autism and vaccines, because suggesting a link between vaccines and autism would have made Obama as ignorant or as evil as a Republican, and that’s just not possible because he’s an elegant svelte Democrat who went to Harvard (and half-black to boot!), not an overweight prole Republican like Chris Christie or an uneducated playboy model like Jenny McCarthy. Only the latter two could genuinely be evil or ignorant enough to promote the pseudoscientific anti-vaccine movement, Democrats tell themselves, ignoring the fact that elite liberal regions of America are the most afflicted with anti-vaxxers. […]

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