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Who wants to be a cop?

Arrest warrants issued and criminal charges filed for six police officers who transported Freddie Gray. Who wants to be a police officer knowing that they can go to jail just for doing their job, have to do time with the same scum they previously protected the public from?

Or maybe no cops will quit their job because they can’t make as much money doing anything else. But they will stop arresting criminals in order to avoid getting in trouble. How long before we see an increase in crime?

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

May 1, 2015 at 1:02 PM

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  1. I’ve said that mandated copcams will change the pool of people who choose to become cops (fewer of the people who like the power trip, for one – also fewer clannish types in general). That will be a good thing.

    JayMan

    May 1, 2015 at 1:05 PM

    • What exactly is a “clannish type”? And where is the evidence that people seeking “power trips” and people that are “clannish types” tend to be cops in the US? If anything, cops in the US in general seem to be public minded and law and order types. Also, why would people seeking “power trips” or “clannish types” going into police work be a bad thing provided they follow and enforce the law? Such people might be necessary or more effective in enforcing the law among many US jurisdictions today.

      Bill

      May 1, 2015 at 2:05 PM

      • My half-brother is a cop. I haven’t seem him much in my life, but I know he loves karate and used to compete a lot. He also chased my friend’s girlfriend around the front yard once – “Here comes the tickle monster!” – which I thought a little aggressive. He also took my dad for a ride along a few years back and apparently sped all over the place to impress him. So anecdotally, I can say law enforcement attracts kinda macho power-trip type guys.

        Dain

        May 1, 2015 at 5:23 PM

      • If being into karate and speeding qualifies someone as a “power trip type guy”, then “power trip” is a completely useless term in this context.

        Bill

        May 1, 2015 at 7:05 PM

    • But aren’t those people currently pursuing college or more prestigious jobs? Clannish types may be the only ones who want to be cops. My peers e.g. are extremely uncomfortable exerting power. It feels icky.

      Dain

      May 1, 2015 at 2:07 PM

      • There are people who are attracted to the idea of service. I realize that concept boggles the minds of early 21st Century Americans, but it used to be a common sentiment and still exists in some areas.

        Mike Street Station

        May 1, 2015 at 4:31 PM

  2. Why a van? Were they picking up Negroes like stray dogs? Was he always alone in the back of the van on the way to the station? Since there are pictures of the arrest, it’s pretty clear he was healthy when they put him IN the van, so the mystery widens.

    Brendan

    May 1, 2015 at 1:18 PM

    • Was he? Before they put him in the van, it looked like he couldn’t even stand up to me.

      Lion of the Judah-sphere

      May 1, 2015 at 9:26 PM

    • He was arrested by bicycle cops – you expect them to give him a ride to the pokey on their handlebars?

      Dave Pinsen

      May 2, 2015 at 1:17 AM

    • Brendan, have you never heard of the paddywagon?

      Glengarry

      May 2, 2015 at 6:24 AM

      • Of course, but why send a van to pick up ONE guy? Why not handcuff him and put him in the back of a squad car?

        Brendan

        May 2, 2015 at 10:51 AM

    • Yeah, they collect them and than drive them for booking.

      Yakov

      May 3, 2015 at 1:47 PM

  3. Impunity is as bad an incentive. And this one may (1) confort your theory that if they wasn t prosecuted is because they were bo ground to (2) your comment underlines that probably you had this theory because it fits betterave your prejudices against black people .

    Bruno from paris

    May 1, 2015 at 1:24 PM

  4. That is what will eventually happen: LEO’s will simply no longer police blacks or black neighborhoods.

    The Anti-Gnostic

    May 1, 2015 at 1:25 PM

  5. OT: Twenty-nine out of thirty-two draftees of the 1st round of the 2015 NFL Draft were black males. Just two White men and one pacific islander.

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/bal-firstround-picks-in-the-2015-nfl-draft-20150430-photogallery.html

    E. Rekshun

    May 1, 2015 at 1:27 PM

    • Zero Latinos, East Asians, South Asians, or MENAs. No females or transgendered either.

      Calogero

      May 1, 2015 at 2:43 PM

    • Yeah, that is why I don’t watch football. I like baseball.

      not too late

      May 1, 2015 at 2:56 PM

      • By the way, basketball has to be the dumbest, prolest of the pro games. It’s apparently designed to show off players flexing their muscles after making one of the 100 scores of the night, which gets rather repetitive. Sometimes one of the many tall people on court jumps a full foot off the ground and hangs from a hoop, which is seen as particularly impressive. Few of the professionals can shoot. The refs are cowardly midgets who are regularly shouted at by everyone else on or near the court, and who do not dare to apply the rules as equitably as an onlooker might expect. Even so, there is some considerable flopping and significant looks by the players when things do not go the way they should. The pause entertainment is for idiots, which is suitable enough for an audience of drunkards in polo shirts who can for once let loose. The cheerleaders are just a silver pole away from giving lap dances. One player (admittedly a roided giant) can dominate a whole team or even league, which tells you about the depth and sophistication of the game. Listening to Bill Simmons talking about basketball you immediately note he drops 15-30 IQ points to a more comfortable 85.

        Glengarry

        May 2, 2015 at 6:42 AM

      • Also, the guy who is apparently the best coach in the game looks like an angry alzheimers sufferer.

        (I prefer baseball too.)

        Glengarry

        May 2, 2015 at 6:49 AM

    • How many were fabulous?

      Glengarry

      May 2, 2015 at 6:24 AM

  6. You don’t know that they were just doing their jobs. You also don’t know that they’re going to spend any appreciable amount of time in jail.

    Lloyd Llewellyn

    May 1, 2015 at 1:30 PM

  7. I wish someone would create a troll campaign for more women in policing, and shame all the “women in STEM” SWPLs to get behind it.

    Latin American countries, especially Peru, have actually already tried this.
    http://www.americasquarterly.org/node/2802

    Money quote from Officer Susana: “I want to leave [transit] as soon as possible and am saving up so that I can become a lawyer”

    Fiddlesticks

    May 1, 2015 at 1:46 PM

  8. The black lady who indicted them went to Boston College Law School. What was her LSAT you think? Is 150 too high?

    With such incompetent people running things, I’m sure that there are a lot of cops and prosecutors behaving badly in these areas. Why such incompetents are hired in the first place goes back to racial politics of course.

    Hepp

    May 1, 2015 at 2:02 PM

    • OK now, I’m not sure jf you’re just engaging in pure snobbery or not. Are you saying that anyonr from BC Law is unlikely to have the brains to be a solid lawyer, or that the blacks with any brains are likely to be snapped upby higher-ranked schools, such that the re.aining black law students are likely dolts. Because, I assume you know that plenty of really good prosecutors have come from non-prestige law schools, right?

      hord

      May 1, 2015 at 6:56 PM

      • I know that any black with a decent LSAT would’ve gotten into a better law school. She’s probably around 150 LSAT, which indicates that she’s probably not smart enough to be a competent attorney. That’s not “snobbery,” it’s psychometrics. A white from Boston College probably would’ve had around a 160 LSAT, which might be good enough to be a decent lawyer. That’s a one standard deviation difference.

        Hepp

        May 2, 2015 at 2:01 AM

      • “plenty of really good prosecutors have come from non-prestige law schools, right?” ————— Criminal law doesn’t tend to attract the higher IQ types among the legal profession generally. The smartest prosecutors are all working on the civil side. And, they tend to be distinguished by where they went to law school.

        Curle

        May 3, 2015 at 10:07 AM

  9. I would not want to be a cop in a black neighborhood. There’s more lawlessness, animosity towards law enforcement (earned or otherwise), and the media will generally take the black criminal’s word over a police officer’s.
    The police force will become more black/hispanic (like Baltimore’s), and these problems will continue.
    If they cannot find people willing to become police officers, then these ghettos will fester. You’ll have a few powerful crime lords, and the rest in the area scrambling to get by.

    Half Canadian

    May 1, 2015 at 2:17 PM

    • No, America has a large black underclass problem that will not be going away anytime soon. Further, American liberals continue to remain in power with their welfare ideologies for blacks (at the expense of White people) and this become more endearing after all these riots. There’s no hope for White America which isn’t well to do, or cities such as NYC or some other leftist center. But liberals will reap what they sow, eventually.

      My exodus to the Great White North is get away from all of this mess: Which is namely, the large black population, and cheaper living costs, if you don’t want them around. America will get worse with its housing costs, and soon affordable housing will be available to Whites who have no choice but to live with NAMs. Safe areas in America are expensive for one damn reason: that’s the price you pay so the majority black miscreants don’t become your neighbors.

      JS

      May 2, 2015 at 10:33 AM

  10. This is what liberals want. They want local white police to be demoralized and for local jurisdictions to cede more and more sovereignty and law enforcement authority to the federal government. They want to centralize more power in the federal government which is more amenable to liberal and black political influence and dominance:

    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/04/30/sharpton-calls-for-doj-to-take-over-policing-going-to-have-to-fight-states-rights/

    It wouldn’t be so bad if white cops were to leave police work in bad areas that decent people don’t live in anyway, but liberals don’t just want these bad areas and cities to cede power to the federal government, they want all local jurisdictions, municipalities, counties, states, etc. to cede greater power to the fed gov’t which will be more amenable to liberal and black political influence and power. Which of course will make all jurisdictions worse and more crime ridden.

    Bill

    May 1, 2015 at 2:19 PM

    • The same people who previously worked for state law enforcement will work for the federal government instead and nothing will change.

      • I don’t think so, Holder’s DOJ went on a hiring spree where they exclusively recruited from activist organizations like the NAACP and La Raza, as described in the book by J. Christian Adams, a former DOH employee. Who’s doing the hiring gets to determine the ideology of the workforce.

        Hepp

        May 1, 2015 at 3:33 PM

      • Not much would change if liberals and blacks did not have disproportionate influence and power over the federal government. But unfortunately, they do. It will be much more politicized and ideological.

        Bill

        May 1, 2015 at 7:13 PM

      • Michael Moore went on a rant saying that all American police should be disarmed and black criminals should be released from prison:

        rican-American-incarcerated-drug-crimes-nonviolent-offenses-Filmmaker-Michael-Moore-goes-aggressive-Twitter-rant-Baltimore.html

        Liberals want to centralize law enforcement authority in the federal government so they can implement by fiat more liberal law enforcement policies across the country.

        Bill

        May 1, 2015 at 7:36 PM

      • “The same people who previously worked for state law enforcement will work for the federal government instead and nothing will change.”

        That comment demonstrates a naivete and cluelessness that boggles the mind.

        destructure

        May 1, 2015 at 10:41 PM

      • I don’t think so, Holder’s DOJ went on a hiring spree where they exclusively recruited from activist organizations like the NAACP and La Raza, as described in the book by J. Christian Adams, a former DOH employee. Who’s doing the hiring gets to determine the ideology of the workforce.

        Lion’s right on this one. There are physical and mental requirements to be a cop. You’re going to get essentially the same people.

        Dave Pinsen

        May 2, 2015 at 1:20 AM

      • Drugs is the political point where liberals and libertarians can really get down. I assume neither mind that the artisanal drug trade of today will no longer be feasible after legalization, even if it might hurt a couple of blacks. No omelet was ever made without the breaking of an egg. The Clinton foundations will accept money from Big Pharma too, so there’s no real problem.

        Glengarry

        May 2, 2015 at 6:54 AM

      • “Lion’s right on this one. There are physical and mental requirements to be a cop. You’re going to get essentially the same people.”

        No, those standards are bent and done away with all the time to get the right demographics. Also, it’s not just about the demographics of the police force as a whole, but the leadership, which obviously is controlled by who does the hiring.

        Hepp

        May 2, 2015 at 9:57 AM

      • “Lion’s right on this one. There are physical and mental requirements to be a cop. You’re going to get essentially the same people.

        They won’t be the same people because they won’t be locals. Police chiefs and officers are hired FROM the community they serve BY the community they serve. Police already have a tendency to view themselves as a brotherhood who put each other first. But most still have some ties and loyalty to the local community. If the police were federalized the rank and file officers may well continue to be hired from local communities but they’d be much less likely to stay there. Because every department would now be part of a national department the percentage of officers from the local community would plummet. This would happen naturally but a federalized police force could encourage it further. As soon as people learned the way to get promoted and receive raises was to transfer out of state everyone would.

        But, honestly, it doesn’t matter whether they’re the “same people” or not. The main issue is who pulls the strings. No matter what shenanigans police pull, locals can still vote the sheriff or police chief (or mayor who appoints them) out of office. But if police were federalized locals would have zero control. Instead of the police in thousands of individual cities and counties across the country serving their local communities they’re now serving a handful of people in Washington.

        So tell me; who do you have more control over — local politicians or federal ones? And who is more likely to have an agenda? Sure, local politicians can have an agenda but it’s limited to a local community. That severely limits the nature of the agenda. It’s not like a local police chief can turn the police into the Gestapo.

        destructure

        May 2, 2015 at 3:41 PM

      • It doesn’t matter if the same type of people become the cops on the street. Those cops by and large follow orders, directives, policies set by higher ups. If those higher ups have a certain political and ideological bias, then the policing done by the cops on the street will reflect that.

        Bill

        May 2, 2015 at 4:34 PM

      • One tactic the USSR used to great effect was to make sure the people putting down any riots/protests were from another area or ethnicity, so they wouldn’t be too sympathetic. It’s not hard to imagine some future federal police force comprised of largely minority police being put to work in any remaining majority white areas. Plus a federal police force would take a more hands off approach to “problem areas” since they would be more focused on overall racial issues than on insuring local communities were liveable.

        Magicman

        May 3, 2015 at 9:11 PM

  11. OT: A diverse trio…

    LA Times, 05/01/15 – Chris Christie ex-ally pleads guilty in Bridgegate scandal; 2 more charged

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/politicsnow/la-na-nn-court-hearing-christie-20150501-story.html

    David Wildstein, a Christie appointee to the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey…pleaded guilty to conspiring with the other two — Christie’s former deputy chief of staff, Bridget Anne Kelly, and Bill Baroni, the governor’s top appointee to the Port Authority — during the traffic tie-up scheme that was dubbed Bridgegate…

    E. Rekshun

    May 1, 2015 at 3:08 PM

    • Christie is guilty as hell. I can’t believe one of those three isn’t giving the fat gweed up.

      uatu

      May 1, 2015 at 9:04 PM

  12. I hate to break this to you, but killing arrestees isn’t part of a cop’s job.

    And as long as cops are overpaid, there will never be a shortage.

    ScarletNumber

    May 1, 2015 at 4:04 PM

    • Right, there job isn’t to kill arrestees.

      All else equal, it’s better to overpay them a little than under pay them. An underpaid cop is an invitation to corruption.

      That said, there are some ridiculous examples of cops getting overpaid, like the Port Authority cops making $200k+ for patrolling the GW Bridge.

      Dave Pinsen

      May 1, 2015 at 6:54 PM

      • Do you want to patrol the GW bridge?

        How about for $200k?

        I mean, prole is prole, but for $200k, you might be willing to be prole till you find something better.

        not too late

        May 2, 2015 at 6:19 PM

    • It’s also not the job of citizens to break the law and resist arrest. But here we are.

      Jon

      May 2, 2015 at 2:24 PM

  13. The NYPD would the only lucrative and safest police force to join, given the fact that NAMs in NYC aren’t as rowdy as those in the more desolate and decrepit places like Baltimore, Trenton, Chicago and Ferguson. I guess we gotta give thanks in part to the Wall St parasites and their high salaries, that indirectly pays for the overall well being of the city (gentrification, corporate retail jobs for NAMs, etc…)

    JS

    May 1, 2015 at 4:26 PM

  14. Will the officers get a trial of their peers?

    Dan

    May 1, 2015 at 4:54 PM

  15. Come on, Lion. At the very least, it looks like the cop who was driving the van should go to prison for a very long time.

    I wonder if Caesar Goodson’s race will be reported by the media by the time Lion approves this comment. This seems to be his mother’s obituary:

    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-08-17/news/bs-md-ob-mary-goodson-20120817_1_government-worker-fulton-baptist-church-human-services

    Robert

    May 1, 2015 at 5:20 PM

    • I haven’t been keeping up with this (mainly because I don’t give a shit) but why should the driver “go to prison for a very long time.” What’s he suspected of doing?

      aandrews

      May 1, 2015 at 11:07 PM

      • Speeding up and jamming on the breaks repeatedly so the shackled but not buckled in prisoner banged into the walls.

        Dave Pinsen

        May 2, 2015 at 1:23 AM

    • aandrews

      May 1, 2015 at 11:18 PM

      • Do you meant that as sarcasm or just ignorance is spewing forth?

        JS

        May 2, 2015 at 10:37 AM

  16. If they could just stick to doing their damn jobs without the brutality we wouldn’t be in this mess.

    There was no foul play in Ferguson though, and the police officer got off.

    Kaz

    May 1, 2015 at 9:15 PM

  17. Mob justice is the future. Cops will join in when they turn their hate on the banksters, meaning that being a cop will be fun again. Lot’s of incentive to join.

    culdesachero

    May 1, 2015 at 11:17 PM

    • OH, and three black cops, one female. The narrative will change and they’ll get off on the larger charges and be forgiven as just doing their jobs in a tough environment.

      culdesachero

      May 1, 2015 at 11:20 PM

      • Yeah. I suspect that is true. The story isn’t nearly as fun this way. A diverse group of police?

        Reporter: Umm, Boss, how do we frame this?
        Editor: Don’t say anything. Maybe no one will notice.

        ModernReader

        May 2, 2015 at 1:40 AM

      • Three black cops? Those are White-Africans. Get on-board with the facts or be racist. It’s your choice.

        Jon

        May 2, 2015 at 2:27 PM

  18. why not?
    no college/university fee loan paybacks, respect in the community and the opportunity to be a Social Justice Warrior in real life to preserve decency and civilized customs in your lifespace.
    self actualization on a wage packet with health insurance and a pension.
    beats a useless college degree anytime.
    so why not.

    imogen

    May 2, 2015 at 2:20 AM

  19. Agree with others – Cops are going to let things go more now. Don’t know if this will be too terrible. If it is, it will be worst for the high crime neighborhoods protesting most now.

    ModernReader

    May 2, 2015 at 5:23 AM

  20. I was shocked to see that 3 of the 6 officers involved were black. I think the media must not have known this when they started to press the issue because it doesn’t re-enforce their narrative of white racist cops beating angelic African-Americans. It’s similar to the way they pressed the Zimmerman case only to learn to their chagrin that Zimmerman was Hispanic. But, in that case they pushed on with their “white-Hispanic” trope. It’s going to be hard to make the case that these were white-African-Americans.

    CamelCaseRob

    May 2, 2015 at 9:29 AM

    • The Baltimore police force is majority black, run by a black police commissioner who reports to a black mayor and a black city council.

    • What’s there to be shocked about? black communities are mostly dysfunctional and become even more dysfunctional when it becomes an Africa (blacks overseeing other blacks). Whites in this country better wake the f*ck up, but I think America is pretty much a lost cause, because of all the distractions, and much of it is petty hedonism.

      Last night I heard a group of naive White Millennials telling a thuggish black guy that they were sorry about the current, unfair White oppression of blacks that’s happening in America. Maybe they weren’t naive, just a group of self entitled limousine liberals.

      JS

      May 2, 2015 at 10:13 AM

      • JS, don’t be such a downer. There are 200ish million non-hispanic whites in the USA, and a good number of them want to live.

        White liberals are dying out as fast as possible; abortions, bed death, infertility, etc. I say good for them. Who knew guilt could kill?

        The future belongs to people who love children and want a future for them- AKA conservatives.

        It’s probably a good thing that we’re getting rid of the people responsible for witch burnings and gay marriage, so sober, serious people can run society again.

        jjbees

        May 3, 2015 at 1:40 AM

      • If existence is only about the next fix of much ado about nothing-entertainment, then I congratulate White America for being adamant about surviving in this filth wasteland of BS.

        But you’re right, the leftists will self annhilate themselves one way or the other. However, much of our conservetards are pretty much in the same predicatement. They’re just a lesser version of the liberals.

        JS

        May 3, 2015 at 10:47 AM

      • Note the interesting response of the Chinese to these riots.

        “My friend said he was first surprised that such a level of civil unrest could occur in the United States. But “when I saw that all the people protesting and getting arrested were black people,” he added, “it made more sense. That would never happen with white people.” (I was unable to convince him otherwise.)…

        What I saw online was broadly consistent with my findings in the field. The majority of netizen comments focused on the race of the protestors, not the underlying reasons for the protests, or the fact that they occurred Stateside. And they were nasty. More than one user chalked the behavior up to “black people being black people,” while posts referring to “black devils” were not hard to find. One user complained that black people “lack self-discipline and family values,” adding, “this group is pouring into China. I hope the government will take steps to prevent this.””

        http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/05/05/what-china-saw-when-baltimore-shook-with-anger/

        Julian

        May 8, 2015 at 6:56 AM

    • Did the prosecutor know? That indictment was, after all, handed down in a rush…

      The Undiscovered Jew

      May 2, 2015 at 6:26 PM

  21. The creator of The Wire television series, David Simon, says that back in the days when he was a crime reporter in Baltimore, the real brutes on the police force, in their treatment of the Black ghetto-dwellers, were not the White cops, but the Black cops:

    “When Ed and I reported “The Corner,” it became clear that the most brutal cops in our sector of the Western District were black. The guys who would really kick your ass without thinking twice were black officers.”

    “…when you have African-American officers beating the dog-piss out of people they’re supposed to be policing, and there isn’t a white guy in the equation on a street level, it’s pretty remarkable.”

    https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/04/29/david-simon-on-baltimore-s-anguish

    Jonathan Silber

    May 2, 2015 at 11:29 PM

  22. Why the White and black stuff? Is this necessary?

    jef

    May 3, 2015 at 12:58 AM

    • Is reality necessary? Or does it even matter?

      Curle

      May 3, 2015 at 10:27 AM

  23. One thing no police department ever has to worry about is an applicant shortage. There always are hundreds of applicants for every opening, even when unemployment is low. It’s similar to flight attendant in this regard.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    May 3, 2015 at 10:41 AM

  24. These are the facts that we know:

    When Freddie Gray was less then 2 years old a blood test showed 37 micrograms per deciliter of lead. This is an extremely high level. This level causes learning disabilities, increases aggression and impairs impulse control. Basically Freddie was doomed by lead poisoning as a infant. The insurance settlement that some people speculated was related to an injury was for lead poisoning as an infant.

    The Baltimore police have systematically abolished the idea of probable cause or reasonable suspicion over the last 30 years. In the inner city neighborhoods they just arrest people on a whim. When Marrin O’Malley was mayor there was essentially a curfew. If you were on the street after some time in inner city Baltimore the police would arrest you. Since there was no curfew law they could claim you violated, they just made something up. Charges were almost always dropped. The idea was to just sweep the street clean after some hour to fight crime. It may have helped to reduce crime, but it eviscerated the 4th amendment and changed the Baltimore police to an army of occupation in inner city Baltimore.

    Freddie Gray probably did something that pissed off police officers. Given his history of lead poisoning it would not be surprising. He was charged with carrying a switch blade and arrested. The knife he was carrying was not a switch blade and was perfectly legal. Charges would probably have been dropped eventually, if he had not been placed in a police wagon without a seat belt. This is well know as a police tactic to rough up someone in a way that is very hard to prove. It is unlikely that the officers charge will be convicted, because it is so hard to prove what happened, but everyone in inner city Baltimore knows what happened.

    mikeca

    May 4, 2015 at 2:02 AM

    • Hysterical comment. He was doomed because he was black. Just like Trayvon…

      Toby

      May 4, 2015 at 9:24 PM

  25. […] On May 1st, the day that criminal charges were filed against the six police officers in Baltimore, I wrote: […]


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