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Wealthiest and poorest religions

While Jews are in first place (based on percent of practitioners who report household income of $100,000 or more), Hindus are a close second. Surprisingly, Orthodox Christian is the wealthiest Christian denomination and not Mainline Protestant. I’m also surprised that Buddhism is so far behind, less wealthy even than Evangelical Protestants. Jehova’s Witnesses are the poorest religion.

Given that Hindus were at least as big supporters of Obama as Jews if not more so, and with Jews trending more conservative, perhaps the White Nationalist types will soon stop hating on the Jews and start hating on the Hindus.

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One of the reasons why Jews have such high incomes is because they tend to live in New York City where everyone makes more money.

I don’t think that Indians like New York City that much, and you are likely to find Indians in lower-salary family-friendly suburbs, and they like the sunbelt.

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May 18, 2015 at 8:05 AM

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  1. Why is India’s IQ so high?

    Indians are incredibly successful in the West but their home country is in terrible shape. Why is that? I don’t think anyone really knows for sure.

    Didn’t the Nazis lift a lot of their mythology from Aryan/Hindu religions? It may be a little hard for them to hate on Indians the way they hate on Jews.

    Lion of the Judah-sphere

    May 18, 2015 at 8:15 AM

    • Selection, I presume. I high proportion of Indians in the US arrived via H1Bs and work in the tech sector. India’s illiterate underclass are not emigrating, generally. India is a very diverse country.

      Dan Hess

      May 18, 2015 at 8:55 AM

      • This is true, the “diversity” in India- ethnic, cultural, and linguistic- is staggering. Some populations in southwest India are, in part, ethnically African, and the residents of the Andaman Islands are thought to be “living fossils” from the first coastal migration.

        The hindus entering the states represent a very small sliver of the country, and are disproportionately represented in stem fields.

        slithy toves

        May 18, 2015 at 1:18 PM

    • Indians who immigrate (or whose ancestors had immigrated) to Western countries are not remotely representative of all Indians. Most are from their country’s educated elite and usually from the higher end of the income distribution. From a poor Indian’s standpoint, moving to the US or Europe would be so out of reach as to be unthinkable.
      There are some instances of Indians who migrated to poorer countries, and who came from more modest background,s in India. Not surprisingly they, or their descendants, are lower-achieving than the Indians in Western countries, though still usually better off than their adopted countries’ native populations. Examples include Indo-Malaysians, Indo-Fijians, Indo-Mauritians, Indo-Guyanese and Indo-Trinidadians. Many people from the last two groups are now in the US and tend to be lower-achieving than the straight-from-India Indians. The Indians who went to South and East Africa are somewhere in the middle.



      May 18, 2015 at 8:55 AM

      • And Israelis are lower-achieving than American Jews.

      • In the academic and professional realm, yes.

        The whole idea of Israel was to move the brainy Jew, who only read books and count money with his fingers, to engage in low down dirty work. This would change the anti-semitic perception that the Jew is a lazy parasite. Yakov would agree, since he’s a Jew engaged in a trade and doesn’t mind getting his hands dirty.


        May 19, 2015 at 7:55 PM

      • In Israel immigrating to America is prole, the SWPL immigrate to Berlin and the middle class to Canada, Australia or the UK. In the 70′ or 80′ it was slightly more glamours and in the 90′ it was maybe a bit cool, but now people immigrate only if they are techies or academics who must get there because of their job or just people who couldn’t make it in Israel.


        May 20, 2015 at 2:43 AM

    • Indians in the West are not a representative sample of the entire Indian population. The group in the West is wealthier, better educated, from the upper classes and castes.


      May 18, 2015 at 9:40 AM

    • Indians who emigrate to the US generally come from the elite (or relatively so) of that country and aren’t representative of the general population (theirs or ours). It’s no surprise they’re successful here.

      “I’m also surprised that Buddhism is so far behind, less wealthy even than Evangelical Protestants”

      While Buddhism appears to be popular with a lot of very wealthy people, it’s also the religion of the majority of refugees admitted to the US.


      May 18, 2015 at 10:55 AM

      • Whoa, really? I would have guessed that the average immigrant Buddhist would be an economic migrant from China, Korea, Thailand, Vietnam, maybe ethnic Chinese populations from the Philippines or Malaysia. You’d expect these groups to be reasonably well-off at least once they got a head of steam going. Are you referring to Vietnam War-era refugees? Average income among Hmongs might be pretty low, but do most Hmong-Americans even identify as Buddhists?

        Greg Pandatshang

        May 19, 2015 at 12:34 PM

      • I would have guessed that too. Iraq is the single largest source, but we get a very large number of refugees from Burma and Bhutan, and a handful from various other Buddhist countries. I probably should have said a plurality; I’m not sure it’s a majority (it depends on which stats you look at). Either way, we admit a lot of Buddhist refugees and, as you noted, have admitted even more in the past. FWIW, we have a lot of Vietnamese in my area who have been here since the Vietnam war. A lot of them own businesses, but they don’t appear to be very wealthy. Probably the best known Buddhist in the US was Steve Jobs, and Buddhism is popular among the very wealthy, which is probably what leads people to think Buddhists are much wealthier as a group than they actually are.


        May 19, 2015 at 8:19 PM

    • “Indians are incredibly successful in the West but their home country is in terrible shape. Why is that? I don’t think anyone really knows for sure.”

      Because Indians are horrible, horrible people. They are casually cruel, callous, more corrupt then you can even imagine, self-centered, crass, back-stabbing, greedy and have zero concern for anyone outside their family/tribe. When they arrive in America, they leech off the systems put into place by Westerners and to a certain extent accommodate them, because they have to. For now. Believe me, if you handed the reigns of power in, say, New York City to Indians, New York would be a corrupt, horrible cesspool. (Even more corrupt than it already it.)

      Even when Indians turns into Western Progressives (which is quite common), they become the worst kind of braying, self-righteous Social Justice Warriors.

      Don’t believe me? Then I suggest you get a very interesting book called “Capital” by Rana Dasgupta. It’s about the new world of Indian uber-wealthy in Delhi, and it’s quite eye opening. Unless like me you’ve been around tons of Indians for years and you know exactly what they’re like behind their phony smiles.

      For your edification, here is a small excerpt from “Capital” which is quite representative:

      “A multi-million dollar kidney-stealing scheme was uncovered in Gurgaon. Poor migrants… were lured to a private house on the pretext that they would be offered work; when they arrived they were offered money, reportedly Rs 30,000 ($600), for their kidneys. Those who refused were drugged and their kidneys were forcibly removed. These kidneys were then transplanted into wealthy patients from all over the world for a fee of some $50,000…. The doctor in charge, Amit Kumar, owned a large house on the outskirts of Toronto, where his family pursued the global bourgeois dream: SUV, swimming pool, children at private school.”


      May 18, 2015 at 11:00 AM

      • Many Indians, unlike many Jews, dislike blacks to the bone!


        May 18, 2015 at 12:25 PM

      • For now. Believe me, if you handed the reigns of power in, say, New York City to Indians, New York would be a corrupt, horrible cesspool. (Even more corrupt than it already it.)

        Preet Boohaha is the US attorney for the Southern District of NY, who’s overseeing the Wall St Sharks to keep them in line, so their feeding frenzy don’t get out of hands.


        May 18, 2015 at 12:29 PM

      • Indians are more corrupt than white people……
        yep just in the past decade they were running Enron, Worldcom, Global Crossing, Arthur Anderson, Fannie Mae, 3 Credit ratings agencies on the MBS….


        May 18, 2015 at 12:47 PM

      • Don’t forget their rampant female infanticide and abortions of female fetuses. This takes place throughout lower and upper classes.

        slithy toves

        May 18, 2015 at 1:26 PM

      • One of the most mysterious things about JS is his tendency to write weirdly ungrammatical and unidiomatic clauses such as, “…so their feeding frenzy don’t get out of hands.” Out of “hands”, in the plural? The simplest explanation is that JS is an AI.


        May 18, 2015 at 1:37 PM

      • JS a self-hating Asian?

      • The extreme status-preening leftism of Indians in the US is really annoying. I witnessed a college buddy of mine from West Bengal go from being totally homophobic to homophobe-bashing seamlessly in under a year when someone in his social circle ‘came out of the closet.’

        Women generally don’t drive in India, female infanticide happens to the tune of tens of millions, xenophobia is considerable and homosexuality is not legal, and somehow Indians here put themselves on the social justice frontlines in the US, eager to bash rubes in flyover America for status points. Look at the byline of the most extreme social justice articles on Slate and similar sites. Any chance of saying anything about, you know, India? Of course not! As if it had anything to do with social justice!

        Dan Hess

        May 18, 2015 at 3:24 PM

      • @ wt “yep just in the past decade they were running Enron, Worldcom, Global Crossing, Arthur Anderson, Fannie Mae, 3 Credit ratings agencies on the MBS….”

        You listed some US cases to dispute the Indian reputation for fraud. That’s like listing armed robberies in India to prove non-Indians don’t commit armed robberies. But even your examples show you don’t know what you’re talking about.

        Worldcom and Enron used fraudulent accounting. But Arthur Anderson didn’t do anything wrong. They were assumed guilty by association and convicted of obstruction of justice. The prosecture bullied one of the accountants into pleading guilty. Basically they said — If you don’t plead guilty we’ll throw you in prison for ten years. But if you testify against Arthur Andersen we’ll let you slide. Even though he was innocent they scared him into agreeing. The conviction was overturned by the Supreme Court in a UNANIMOUS decision. The accountant withdrew his guilty plea and cleared. Basically, Arthur Anderson was the victim of a wich hunt.

        The three credit rating firms are being sued by ambulance chasers. Some law firms make a career of basekess lawsuits knowing defendants will settle just to be done with it. If you’re looking for unscrupulous practice then look at the lawyers filing frivoulous suits.

        The director of Fannie Mae was a black man named Frankline Raines. Blacks commit the highest rate of white collar crime by far.


        May 18, 2015 at 6:22 PM

      • I worked in the real estate industry for many years and was shocked at the callous and miserly nature of most Indian immigrants. In countless transactions I watched them try to rip off the realtors, the banks and homeowners. Its as if all morals and ethics are ignored if you are not one of them. The stereotypes are true..they are the cheapest people on earth and you trust them at your peril. It doesn’t surprise me that they are now the wealthiest religious group as they will lie, cheat and steal for every last dime.


        May 18, 2015 at 8:05 PM

      • I agree that Indians are very cheap.

      • Lion – Hindus are really the New Jews. Despite the bad rep that Indians get, those who become acculturated try very hard to become SWPL-like by being progressive.


        May 18, 2015 at 8:47 PM

      • @ Dan Hess “The extreme status-preening leftism of Indians in the US is really annoying.” ——————–

        You got that right. I propose as an offer of proof for your proposition Seattle City Councilmember Kshama Sawant, a woman who takes every opportunity to make a public spectacle of herself. I know a couple of former liberals she has nearly driven to the conservative side. Her constant sermonizing in her foreign accent generates so much animosity that Seattle voters just approved a new council districting scheme in order to get rid of her. The question her public displays always provoke is ‘if the US is so bad why did you immigrate?’ She provokes the question that Sailer asks about the Tsarnaevs which is, were they so obnoxious to their former countrymen that they had to flee somewhere else only to repeat the pattern?


        May 18, 2015 at 9:22 PM

      • “I propose as an offer of proof for your proposition Seattle City Councilmember Kshama Sawant”

        Just did a little reading. Seems she was brought over from India as an engineer and then, rather than doing the engineering she was supposed to offer, sought to collective Amazon.

        Dan Hess

        May 19, 2015 at 1:28 PM

    • Nutrition isn’t quite there yet.


      May 18, 2015 at 7:49 PM

  2. What jumps out at me is that religion is not an artifact of the poor lower rungs of society, as leftists like to imagine and as Marx proclaimed. To the contrary, unaffiliateds are utterly unremarkable in the middle of the pack.

    Dan Hess

    May 18, 2015 at 8:58 AM

    • One of the wealthiest men in my state attends mass faithfully at my church. He’s not stupid; he’s an engineer who was the first around here to automate real estate listings. Is he faking or what? He’s not a really a highly visible pillar of our community and I doubt anyone would notice if he didn’t make mass every week.

      Maybe, just maybe, someone who has done so well feels a bit of gratitude toward whatever, instead of thinking “it’s all because I’m so fucking great.”

      We also have doctors and nurses in our parish..I think they know about Science and Stuff but they still make it to mass.

      Mrs Stitch

      May 18, 2015 at 6:45 PM

  3. People think Hindus are more “Jewish” than the East Asians, because of their higher visibility in the public arena, including law, due to their verbosity (not afforded to Mongoloids). Just look at Preet Boohaha, the US Whatever Attorney for the Southern District of NY. Basically, Hindus are the New Jews of our era. I view East Asians as the losers in the status striving game via value transference. HBD? Perhaps. I expect Hispanics to make inroads in law, finance, politics, academia, and any other value transference induced arena, in the near future that surpassing of East Asians, who never gotten a foothold in the 1st place, due to their cognitive profiles not compatible with our mainstream cultural aspects. Jews are Caucasoids, Hindus are Caucasoids and Mestizo Hispanics have Caucasoid admixture.


    May 18, 2015 at 9:43 AM

    • One may ask, why Italian Americans are the losers in the game of value transference status, and East Asians would be in the same predicament as them? Simple, Italians, how unlike East Asians, tend to tread Republican, never really cared about the Ivy Leagues, and are very successful as tradesman, small business owners and construction.


      May 18, 2015 at 10:08 AM

      • It wouldn’t be a normal day on LOTB without JS telling us how much Italian-Americans shun education and end up as tradesmen and not nerdy intellectuals – with the exception of “Maryk” of course! LOL.


        May 18, 2015 at 3:35 PM

      • I’m guessing JS is italian himself.

        I’m a nerdy intellectual IA. Sorry to go against the grain.


        May 18, 2015 at 4:55 PM

      • Those old wops were hard on their sons, too. No coddling there. You have to measure up or you’re out. They would fire their own kids.

        Really, their family system works pretty well.

        Mrs Stitch

        May 18, 2015 at 6:48 PM

      • Wrong. Indians are Dravidians. Northern Indians have the most Caucasoid admixture (most likely acquired from Central Asian Caucasians); however, the intelligent ones are those of Southern India with the least.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        May 19, 2015 at 10:30 PM

    • JS might have a point here. Neera Tanden, Raj Chetty, Maya Harris are all in HRC’s inner ‘policy formulation’ circle for 2016 and are Indians (Harris is Half). I worked on the Hill for a little bit and I saw more Indian-Americans as interns and staffers over east asians.

      2nd and 3rd generation Indian Americans in their college, 20’s, and 30’s years seem to be interested in getting into politics/public value transference/deep state jobs (more than what is normally expected by the stereotypes the layman assumes) at a much higher clip than east asians.


      May 18, 2015 at 1:00 PM

      • I think a lot of it has to do with genetics.

        East Asians pale in comparison to Hindus, when it comes to Literature, Philosophy, and even Mathematics and Astronomy. The last 2 disciplines were borrowed from the Muslims. The Muslims didn’t have any material to work with from the Chinese, as with the Greeks, Egyptians, Near Easterners and Indians. Remember, the Muslims had a huge empire that stretched from Spain into the fringes of China. This historical fact alone, is poignant as to why East Asians in America have not thrive compatibly with other high functional groups who are all Caucasians.


        May 18, 2015 at 1:34 PM

      • I meant to say borrowed by the Muslims.


        May 18, 2015 at 1:37 PM

      • @JS: When it comes to philosophy, Indians sure have the greatest and deepest religious texts — the Upanishad’s. Muslims have the worst and stupidest, the most worthless religion of all time (which is why low IQ people are mostly converting to Islam — you must be pretty stupid to see value in that religion).

        But East Asian literature sucking? The chinese? Could be, who would want to read novels written in a dictatorship, full of communist propaganda? But surely the japanese had great writers in the 20th century: Dazai, Soseki, Akutagawa, Inoue. These japs were great, though, because they were influenced by western literature, as Europe has earned the highest marks when it comes to culture and arts (and science, of course).


        May 19, 2015 at 2:30 AM

      • Tao Te Ching is a very influential and profound book. Its essence more or less matches the conclusions of Western philosophers such as Heidegger and Wittgenstein.


        May 19, 2015 at 10:32 AM

  4. That will probably start happening, Lion, if Hindus take a leading role in opening up the immigration floodgates


    May 18, 2015 at 9:58 AM

  5. Honestly not surprised that the percentage of Jews in the 100k and above range is the highest. I am more surprised by the amount by which they lead the pack and the big gap between them and #2 and then between #2 and #3 and what comes afterwards.

    The Jews are almost double the percentage of #4. That is pretty significant.


    May 18, 2015 at 10:12 AM

  6. Orthodox Christians such as Greeks, Lebanese and Armenians are very successful in America, relatively speaking. Although they are in smaller numbers, people think highly of them, more so than Roman Catholics.


    May 18, 2015 at 10:13 AM

  7. It’s safe to assume that Iranians in America are the most successful of the Muslims. Although many successful Iranians residing in this country happened to be Jewish, one can say that Iranian Muslims are better off than their coreligionists from other countries.


    May 18, 2015 at 10:19 AM

  8. big difference between income and wealth. Just check the 1000 bilionaires in america. You will see its like 400 to 4.


    May 18, 2015 at 10:22 AM

    • There are some super-rich Indian businessmen. The new Microsoft CEO comes to mind.

      • Is he richer than steve ballmer, the previous CEO?


        May 18, 2015 at 12:29 PM

      • No. Ballmer had to good fortune to get in during the early years.

      • Exactly my point – since jews have been around 100+ years, they are firmly established with their wealth and social/cultural capital. Its not a surprise that marc zuckerberg created Facebook, and not some asian kid in harvard.

        I very highly doubt you will see in the next 100 years the same disporportional respresentation with east indians in the wealth list. In India, the country, yes – but not here. Same with China, I think there are already 1/3 to 1/2 as many chinese billioniares in china as there are american billionaires (I think i read somewhere there were unofficially 400 billionaires in china, the US has like 1000 to 1500 billionaires, mostly white, with significant portion jewish).


        May 18, 2015 at 12:54 PM

      • East Asians have cognitive profiles not compatible with American mainstream values that emphasize charisma, pro-activeness, verbosity and overstepping one’s boundaries (risk taking), that are more prevalent among Caucasoids, especially Jews, given their historical legacy.


        May 18, 2015 at 1:00 PM

      • JS, when you said “overstepping one’s boundaries” I immediately thought of Uber.

        I checked it out, it was started by these guys:

        An ashkenazi jew and a wasp.

        Another way of putting it would be that asians tend not to have “moxie”.


        May 18, 2015 at 3:05 PM

      • Another way of putting it would be that asians tend not to have “moxie”.

        Indians are too odd and weird looking to get very far into the elite. They’ll make more headway than Northeast Asians but most likely they’ll run into a ceiling if they try to push elite whites out of the way.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        May 18, 2015 at 8:36 PM

      • Despite the weird factor of Indians, they appear to be more engaging, entrepreneurial and trendsetting than East Asians. I believe external factors and stereotypes effect the decision making process of admission officers at the Ivy Leagues. They have more faith on the Hindus than the Chinamen, in terms of ROI. After all, the Ivy Leagues are supposed to breed leaders and not followers.


        May 19, 2015 at 12:48 AM

      • Indians don’t need to push elite Whites out, they have more business acumen than East Asians to forge their own path. It’s a very good assumption to say Indians are the New Jews, when it comes to academic and career representation. They are a lot more diverse when it comes to their occupational/professional status, which is more similar to that of Jews and less similar to East Asians (who by the way, are more similar to proles with their restrictive, occupational niches).

        Not too long ago, I attended a philosophy seminar where there were representatives of the different philosophical traditions. There were the Islamic, Jewish, Indian, along with the usual Western fare of Ancient, Medieval and Modern, yet there was not one person (East Asian or otherwise) who spoke about Confucius or whatever that comes out of that part of the world.


        May 19, 2015 at 1:04 AM

  9. “perhaps the White Nationalist types will soon stop hating on the Jews and start hating on the Hindus.”

    Whaddya mean “start”?


    May 18, 2015 at 10:48 AM

    • WN is more accurately described as white KNIGHT nationalists.


      May 18, 2015 at 1:05 PM

    • White Nationalists hating on Indians? Maybe, but who is the Hindu Harvey Weinstein? Jon Liebowitz? Ben Bernanke? Janet Yellen, Stanley Fischler, Sumner Redstone, Les Moonves, you get it.

      Dash Riprock

      May 18, 2015 at 2:40 PM

    • Maybe, but who is the Hindu Harvey Weinstein? Jon Liebowitz? Ben Bernanke..

      How is the Hindu Howard Dean, David Souter, John Paul Stevens, Harry Hopkins, Upton Sinclair, Whitaker Chambers or Pinch Sulzberger?

      The Undiscovered Jew

      May 18, 2015 at 8:27 PM

  10. The Mormon sample size is relatively small, but it might be interesting to note a couple unique features of that demographic group. A lot of denominations are older (i.e. higher income) and liberal (i.e. two incomes), while Mormons get married younger (early 20’s) and still prefer to have only one income (which they use to support larger-than-average families).

    If you account for those factors, it’s interesting that it actually has the lowest poverty-level (sub 30k) income level outside of Orthodox, Jews, and Hindus. Also, outside Orthodox and Hindus it has the largest positively middle-class (50-100k) income level skew.


    May 18, 2015 at 11:25 AM

    • That’s because Mormons are the most average Americans. Which is why they’re viewed as odd (they live like it’s still 1960).


      May 18, 2015 at 6:57 PM

    • Mormonism is a club where the price of entrance is high, you have to agree to a lot of facially nonsensical stuff plus you need to outwardly manifest a resistance to things most people, men at least, like, beer and broads chief among them. In exchange for membership you get to belong to an old boys club that can grant favors to each other without drawing attention to its favoritism from the feds or other SJWs (Mormons hand out job favors to other Mormons that your average gentile could only dream of). The high bar of entrance operates much the way a Costco membership operates, it keeps out the riff raff. Mormons like to pretend that they are growing by leaps and bounds, but they really aren’t. It is in their best interest to stay small and off the radar.


      May 18, 2015 at 9:36 PM

      • What jobs can gentiles only dream of that mormons get?
        Wondering for a friend.

        Half Canadian

        May 19, 2015 at 1:32 PM

      • President of BYU?

      • Brigham Young University seem to be an excellent learning institution for religious studies and many of its scholarly publications are superb. Mitt Romney graduated there with a BA in English.


        May 19, 2015 at 2:06 PM

  11. Since you bring up Jews, I wish you’d comment on Sailer’s current piece about the Mad Men creator, Weiner. The guy went to a 40% jewish private high school in L.A, but tries to claim he grew up being oppressed by WASPS.

    stuyvie wainwright VI

    May 18, 2015 at 11:58 AM

    • And Obama claims he was oppressed by The Man even though he went to the best schools in the country.

      • Yes, that Obama line is one of his most egregious put-ons. Obama went to a HS divided racially between whites and Asians and he chose to hang out with the whites among whom he was very popular. If whites aren’t the oppressors who is and if they are so bad why choose them over Asians? The short answer to the latter question is the whites were more fun and the Asians were more insular. In other words, the whites accepted him. That’s some oppression.


        May 18, 2015 at 9:43 PM

      • The fact that an individual succeeded does not mean that the individual didn’t face discrimination or adversity on the way to that success. Black athletes are very popular with whites, but they won’t get the same girls as the white athletes. They are held back, but at the same time, they have immense talent that can’t be denied. These things can co-exist.


        May 19, 2015 at 2:51 PM

    • The guy went to a 40% jewish private high school in L.A, but tries to claim he grew up being oppressed by WASPS.

      I’m baffled why antisemites care about WASPs or think they’d be any sort of natural allies ( It’s almost as if antisemites are stupid…)

      Northern WASPs sponsored Abraham Lincoln’s presidency and victory over the Confederacy, the antisemites’ second favorite nation, only bested by Nazi Germany. Northeastern Episcopalians, Unitarians, Congregationalists and Presbytyrians can’t marry Jews fast enough up here. There are probably more prole and guido Jews than Northern Mainline Protestants who identify with NASCAR culture.

      Btw, Weiner’s Mad Men characters aren’t WASPs. Jon Hamm is too broad shouldered and mediocre in intelligence to be an Episcopalian or Unitarian. The men of these denominations are usually thin, intelligent, and aloof; but without being introverted. They love Jewesses.

      The most accurate portrayal of a WASP onscreen I’ve ever seen was David Hyde Pierce’s wonderful Niles Crane from Frasier, a portrayal not hurt by the fact Pierce is a real WASP Episcopalian. Ironically Niles wasn’t from a WASP background (Frasier and Niles’ father is a prole Seattle cop).

      The Undiscovered Jew

      May 18, 2015 at 7:53 PM

      • “Northern WASPs sponsored Abraham Lincoln’s presidency and victory over the Confederacy,” —————————- Antisemitism was both more prevalent and more virulent in the North than the South, at least in the antebellum era. Heck, it was the Senator from N. Carolina who led the effort to open immigration to Eastern European Jews. The idea that the traditional home of antisemitism is the South as opposed to the North is wrong.


        May 18, 2015 at 9:47 PM

      • The idea that the traditional home of antisemitism is the South as opposed to the North is wrong.

        I didn’t claim otherwise.

        Antebellum and postbellum, the North wasn’t antisemitic either. During the Gilded Age Republican leaning German Jews got along nicely with Republican leaning WASPs.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        May 18, 2015 at 11:44 PM

    • Let me add that Niles Crane is one of my all time favorite characters from either TV or movies.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      May 18, 2015 at 8:02 PM

  12. If you split it by under 50k and over 50k, Hindu’s outpace Jews but I think that’s a function of Jews willing to take more self actualizing jobs in the 30-49k range over Hindu’s who love the 50-99k non-self actualizing tech jobs.


    May 18, 2015 at 12:35 PM

  13. Lion – your addendum was stupid – you went to Penn. You think Ivy League indians want to go to the sunbelt?

    They end up desiring the same locales as jews and swpls (well perhaps just jews because swpls love picturesque skitowns like Jackson Hole, Park City, Deer valley, sun valley, Telluride, Aspen, Boulder) and jews and indians aren’t really into those places even if they have the same kind of money.

    There are more indians in the sunbelt IMO is because indians like tech jobs and there are lots of middle-value tech jobs in the sunbelt (texas for instance).


    May 18, 2015 at 1:04 PM

    • Only a tiny minority of Indians went to Ivy League schools. Most went to schools in India. Indians live all over the country and cluster in places where there are IT jobs, which are not the same places that Jews cluster.

      Indians in the New York metropolitan area are more likely to work in New Jersey than in Manhattan.

      • Indians also make up a disproportionate percentage of the doctor trade, and you can find them clustering wherever there are medical centers.


        May 18, 2015 at 6:30 PM

      • Yes, but unlike East Asians, Indians are well represented as CEOs of Fortune 500 companies (ex. the current CEO of Microsoft). There’s more of a diversity pool with Hindus when it comes to occupational/professional roles, that one doesn’t find with the Chinese.


        May 18, 2015 at 8:43 PM

  14. peterike

    May 18, 2015 at 1:50 PM

    • Youtube has a whole series of these “Shit ____Moms say” of various ethnic groups. Check out “Shit Italian Moms say” I and II by a man named Daniel Franzese. And check out a host of videos about strict Nigerian fathers by Clifford Owusu (he plays both himself and his father in these clips.)


      May 18, 2015 at 4:09 PM

      • Italian American actor, Ray Romano and his on the set brother (played by Brad Garrett who is Jewish), would do well, as a cast for an Indian American sitcom. Ray Romano sort of looks like an Indian guy, and Brad Garrett could passably be an White/Indian half breed.


        May 18, 2015 at 10:19 PM

  15. …perhaps the White Nationalist types will soon stop hating on the Jews and start hating on the Hindus.

    Maybe when Hindus get comparable media/academia power and influence culture and public policy in ways similar to the Jewish power elite.

    If they are just going to be engineers/doctors and donut entrepreneurs they wont receive similar complaints.


    May 18, 2015 at 2:31 PM

    • CEO of Microsoft doesn’t have power or influence? And what about governor of Louisiana?

      • CEO of Microsoft doesn’t have power or influence? And what about governor of Louisiana?

        Pretty weak.

        I see no “comparable media/academia power and influence on culture and public policy in ways similar to the Jewish power elite” from those two or others.


        May 18, 2015 at 8:47 PM

      • “And what about governor of Louisiana?”

        More a sentence than a job don’t you think? Kind of like Mayor of Detroit.


        May 18, 2015 at 9:52 PM

  16. Muslims would have a lower poverty percentage if you separated out the black converts. They might compare to Jews and Orthodox in that case.



    May 18, 2015 at 3:50 PM

  17. “One of the reasons why Jews have such high incomes is because they tend to live in New York City where everyone makes more money.”

    Income studies that don’t adjust for cost of living should be taken with a boulder of salt.


    May 18, 2015 at 6:31 PM

  18. why are all hotels in the u.s run by indians with the last name patel?

    james n.s.w

    May 18, 2015 at 7:51 PM

    • It’s a common name for Gujarati businessmen, who are a demographic that just happens to be affluent, connected, and interested enough to do something like move to USA and manage a hotel. A lot of Gujaratis are quite well off and business-minded.


      May 19, 2015 at 9:59 AM

  19. Jews are trending conservative? This is the first time I’m hearing about it.

    Indians have a long way to go before they become the “new Jews.” Racehist analyzed the Forbes 400 and found that Jews are 34.75% of the list compared to 1.5% for South Asians. So while the might have similar political attitudes to Jews and a similar ethnocentric religion and culture they cannot now exert anywhere near the level of influence on America’s politics, culture and economy that the Jews can.


    May 18, 2015 at 7:55 PM

    • You haven’t been reading my blog. Romney had more support from Jews in 2012 than McCain had in 2008. In the NYC Mayoral election, Jews were more strongly Republican than white gentiles.

    • Racehist analyzed the Forbes 400 and found that Jews are 34.75% of the list compared to 1.5% for South Asians.

      Racehist is a liar. He counts half Jews with full Jews. 6 of the top 20 richest Jews are half white gentile (Ellison, Ballmer, Page, Bren, Ergen, and Paulson).

      The Undiscovered Jew

      May 18, 2015 at 8:32 PM

  20. White Nationalist types will soon stop hating on the Jews

    They won’t because they’re losers.

    Remind me, why do we need their approval? We have more than enough race realist Jews that we can purge them and run White nationalism ourselves. If Marine Le Pen can remove her debatebly antisemitic father (who I never thought was that antisemitic, certainly not in the way hopeless American antisemites are) why can’t we get rid of our Nazi-apologist deadweight?

    The Undiscovered Jew

    May 18, 2015 at 7:56 PM

    • They won’t because they’re losers.

      They might be “losers” but they have remarkable ability to plague the Jewish imagination.

      It’s like caring about the opinions of people who live in homeless camps and skid row but with access to computers.


      May 18, 2015 at 8:51 PM

    • They might be “losers” but they have remarkable ability to plague the Jewish imagination.

      If that’s all the success they can point to…

      The Undiscovered Jew

      May 18, 2015 at 11:49 PM

  21. As an Episcopalian I can attest to the relative decline in economic status amongst mainline Protestants. The privileged children of Wasps become swpls and often pursue self actualizing fields that pay far less than their parents and grandparents. The “Republican Party at prayer” that was filled with bankers and attorneys is now likely to be filled with social workers and artists. This overarching liberalism is at the heart of our decline.

    Hindus – on the other hand – are hungry. Hence the entrepreneurialism. If they are smart they will demand more of their children. Not that self actualizing is bad, but amongst the well-to-do it is too often used as a cop out. Too often it turns perfectly strong and able citizens into effete dilettantes.


    May 18, 2015 at 9:20 PM

    • The Europeans are laughing at the Mercan Prole chumps who work to live the many hours, in exchange for a hard buck of frivolous consumption.

      What do you want out of life is a good question?

      By the way, most SWPLs (who love to self actualize) are low brow for their status. Most of them can barely speak a foreign language.


      May 18, 2015 at 11:28 PM

      • The Europeans are laughing at the Mercan Prole chumps

        Yeah well to the degree that Americans care at all about Europe other than as a museum to visit they can always laugh at 100 million African men ready to rape the crap out of Europe’s women.

        America has problems but we don’t have the entire continent of Africa and Pakistan ready to demographically conquer us.

        Compared to that Mexican mestizo Catholics aren’t that bad.

        Not that good but could be worse.

        Europe’s future is black, mixed and muslim. It’s got to be a thrill for Europe to face 100 million African “immigrants” when they are almost all young men!!

        Good luck. Love those museums and architecture….for now,.


        May 19, 2015 at 1:38 PM

      • Europe would be better off without the heavy, dead hand of American progressivism on its throat.


        May 20, 2015 at 7:25 AM

  22. The Jets are the richest because they have the highest IQ and the best religion.


    May 18, 2015 at 10:02 PM

    • Or the Giants?

      • Yakov must know what he’s talking about. After all, when you’re a jet you’re a jet all the way!


        May 19, 2015 at 2:08 PM

      • I thought he was talking about The Jets, the Tongan family band who were popular in the late 80s. They were Mormons.


        May 19, 2015 at 2:18 PM

  23. Jews.


    May 18, 2015 at 10:06 PM

    • Yakov for most hilarious commenter award.


      May 19, 2015 at 9:24 AM

  24. 36:00 episode 281 jackie kashian on post scarcity.


    May 18, 2015 at 10:53 PM

  25. “perhaps the White Nationalist types will soon stop hating on the Jews and start hating on the Hindus.”

    I’ve always wondered why Jews accuse others of hating them — paranoia or projection? According to this Pew survey it’s Jews who dislike others and not others who dislike Jews. Which is kind of surprising considering how much Jews dislike others. People must not realize how Jews really feel about them.


    May 19, 2015 at 1:23 AM

    • Have you visited They hate the Jews more than they hate blacks!

      I don’t know why you expect Jews to feel warmly towards religions that traditionally discriminated against them and still want to convert their children away from Judaism.

      Jews rate Buddhists, Hindus and atheists more highly than any Christian sects, so your summary of that chart is dead wrong.

      • Yes, but here’s the obvious irony: Jews are more assimilated and have access to privilege, more so than non-White gentiles, and also many White gentiles. And America still views itself as a nation with “Christian” principles.


        May 19, 2015 at 12:24 PM

      • So why do so many secular Jews, who don’t belive the Jewish religion, hate Christians?


        May 19, 2015 at 2:22 PM

      • Jews don’t hate Christians, they FEAR Christians.

      • Since you want to talk about who traditionally discriminated against whom I’ll indulge. Jews have always sided with others against Christians whether it was Moors, Arabs or Turks. Jews have a religious prejudice against Christians whom they view as heretics. You can see this in the Pew survey where Jews rate Evangelicals lower than everyone including Muslims. And since Jewish religion is ethnic this has translated into not only religious prejudice but xenophobia as well. “Fear” is just an excuse for paranoia and projection. The truth is that many Jews are simply prejudiced against white gentiles. I have several Jewish friends who married gentiles and were effectively disowned for it. Some of them even had to move to get away from the harassment and abuse from their families. A lot of your readers probably haven’t been around enough Jews or known them well enough to realize this. But I have.


        May 19, 2015 at 9:49 PM

      • Historically Christians have persecuted Jews more than any other religion. The Holocaust perpetrated by a Protestant Christian nation (although that act itself was not endorsed by organized religion). Until the brouhaha over Israel, Muslims were less hostile to Jews than Christians were.

        But as I’ve stated before, Jewish parents also fear that Christians will convert their children. The greatest threat to Judaism is a more welcoming religion with delicious unkosher food and fun holidays like Christmas.

      • I’ve always wondered why Jews accuse others of hating them

        Are you stupid? Because they been have for 2000 years.

        The Holocaust ended just a few days over 70 years, well within the lifetime of many Jews.

        So why do so many secular Jews, who don’t belive the Jewish religion, hate Christians?

        It’s not different than how liberal gentile whites feel towards Evangelical Christians (other Christian denominations aren’t as negatively viewed). Check out the UK Guardian’s coverage of Evangelicals if you don’t believe it.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        May 19, 2015 at 10:07 PM

      • Accusing Jews of being wrongly paranoid by a non-Holocaust denier is more clueless than Holocaust denialism.

        Holocaust deniers argues Jews shouldn’t be paranoid because the Holocaust didn’t happen, destructure argues the Holocaust did happen but Jews shouldn’t worry at all about it. Not only should Jews not worry about a repeat, desctucture wants Jews to save gentiles from liberalism, thus being more conservative – even more racist – the gentiles who have no trouble destroying themselves with liberal ideologies.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        May 19, 2015 at 10:13 PM

      • You can see this in the Pew survey where Jews rate Evangelicals lower than everyone including Muslims. And since Jewish religion is ethnic this has translated into not only religious prejudice but xenophobia as well. “Fear” is just an excuse for paranoia and projection.

        Lying pretty brazenly here.

        Between Romes conversion to Christianity up until the 19th century Jews had hardly any opportunity to influence gentiles. Jews living under Muslim occupation are a weak example of Jews persecuting Christians. They had to make peace with Muslims because they had little choice. Christian dhimmis likewise compromised with Muslim overlords, but when Jews and Christians both do something objectionable, the rule is only Jews are blamed to deflect responsibility from gentile.

        Contrary to what you implied, Evangelicals are not all Christians. Catholics and other Protestants have higher favorability ratings. More importantly gentile liberals have similar opinions of Evangelicals, so this opinion is more a result of Jews being liberal than they’re being Jewish.

        There’s also no such thing as a Jewish ethnic group. There are various ethnicities from leftover converts who practiced Judaism. Ashkenazi, Sephardi, and the many subsets of Mizhrahi are basically different ethnicity practicing the same religion.

        I also think you’re lying about knowing any secular Jews who were disowned for marrying gentiles. The secular intermarriage rate is 71%; much too large to disown for a supposedly secular ethnic group. Only Orthodox Jews shun children who outmarry, but they’re one of the most right wing white groups.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        May 19, 2015 at 10:58 PM

    • What a silly comment. Jews accuse others of hating them because historically everyone has hated them.


      May 19, 2015 at 12:59 PM

      • Jews have a solid basis for being paranoid. It’s not paranoia if everyone was actually out to get you.

      • Historically, Gentiles have had a revulsion for Jews, because of their repugnant and clannish behavior (which is a survival mechanism). If Jews were likable as outsiders, they would have not survived as a people.


        May 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM

      • How does it feel to live in a just world, JS?


        May 19, 2015 at 1:44 PM

      • Jews were cursed as a people without a nation. Judaism is not a religion, but a cultural entity exclusively made out for Jews. It’s exclusive cultural underpinnings is what made them survive as a people. They avoided intermarriage with Gentiles and any association with them on an intimate level. They were the perennial social pariahs of the societies in which they live.


        May 19, 2015 at 2:16 PM

      • i knew swank was too clever to be a black guy.

        up to 19th c Germany Jews in christendom were hated for their not being Christians. but more than Muslims or any other non-Christians? after the Reformation, Protestants and RCs hated each other as much as they hated jews. this all changed with Gobineau and the Bayreuth Circle where the objection to jews became their genes.

        the OT and the ancient Midrashim read like Aristotle on the barbarians. gentiles are natural born slaves and gross. this was long before there was any hatred of jews.

        the opion exprssed by the former Chief Sephardic Rabbi of Israel in the The Jerusalem Post is nothing new:

        The sole purpose of non-Jews is to serve Jews…Why are Gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why Gentiles were created…In Israel, death has no dominion over them… With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant… That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew. Gentiles were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel.

        yet lion claims jews are the LEAST ethnocentric of any ethnicity. he should’ve met the rabbi.


        May 19, 2015 at 5:16 PM

      • The rabbi was an extreme religious nut who doesn’t even represent the average Israeli Jew, and especially not the average American Jew.

        His remarks were condemned by the Jewish Anti-Defamation League:

        It should also be noted that Rabbi Ovadia Yosef died in 2013.

        Also, that statement was made in 2010 when he was 90 years old so he may have been senile when he said it.

      • indeed! and the chief Ashkenazi rabbi wouldn’t have said such a thing. he might not even know what an effendi is. but the rabbi was merely paraphrasing some lines from midrash.

        Aquinas (13th c) quotes Maimonides (12th c) approvingly…unlike the midrash speak of gentiles and “philosophers” btw.

        just another example of how very sophisticated and serious the Schoolmen were…and how untrue the popular belief that philosphy was ruined by religion during the middle ages.

        the Schoolmen asked the questions which modern academic philosophers are AFRAID to ask.


        May 19, 2015 at 9:23 PM

  26. It is not the people, it is the system.

    In US, the system is good. When Indians come from india, they join the system. And since the system is good – they do good. It is not like most indians like corruption – they just have no choice. When the system is so corrupt, to get anything you must partake in corruption.
    In the US, they don’t have to.

    And of course – there is a huge selection effect of the most succesful coming in.


    May 19, 2015 at 3:37 AM

    • finally a sensible comment


      May 19, 2015 at 10:05 AM

    • Well, let’s hope the system remains uncorrupted, eh?


      May 20, 2015 at 7:36 AM

  27. Hey Lion, check it out, a prole Jewish redneck:


    May 19, 2015 at 4:32 AM

    • lol what a way to go to lose your life! Gunned down over a clamato in the wilds of Montana. It’s still the wild west out there.


      May 19, 2015 at 11:58 AM

  28. FYI the R1a1 marker has a strong presence in Ashkenazi Levite populations and Hindu Brahmin populations. There is some evidence of a common ancestor, possibly Khazarian.


    May 19, 2015 at 11:00 PM

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