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NY Post says shootings are up in Manhattan

The New York Post reports that shootings are up in Manhattan:

There have been 50 “shooting incidents’’ since Jan. 1, compared with 31 in the same time period in 2014 — an increase of about 38 percent. Some of these “incidents’’ involved more than one victim.

The number of shooting victims nearly doubled, from 33 to 61.

Has the end of stop-and-frisk emboldened the criminal element to carry guns?

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

May 27, 2015 at 9:25 AM

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  1. I saw that on drudge. It’s only compared to last year (when stop and frisk had already been stopped) and only in Manhattan neither of which are really consistent with stop and frisk having anything to do with it.

    Lloyd Llewellyn

    May 27, 2015 at 9:42 AM

  2. “Has the end of stop-and-frisk emboldened the criminal element to carry guns?”

    Correlation does not imply causation. Except in this case, yeah it does.

    peterike

    May 27, 2015 at 10:10 AM

    • Correlation is the only empirical aspect of causation. The rest of causation is metaphysics.

      Jim

      June 4, 2015 at 12:26 PM

  3. It’s obviously the fault of all those Republicans on the NYC City Council.

    They are always blocking funding for pre-school programs and midnight basketball leagues in struggling minority neighborhoods.

    http://council.nyc.gov/html/members/manhattan.shtml

    HuffPost Reading Manhattan Liberal

    May 27, 2015 at 10:13 AM

  4. Lion if you could do your career again, what career/education path would you choose?

    It seems like firefighting is a good way to go. Would you have gone to the FDNY?

    See this video:

    Teldar_Paper

    May 27, 2015 at 10:21 AM

    • I still think that IT sucks even though it’s a safe choice as far as getting a decent paying job in your twenties.

      • Employers seem especially eager for graduates in science and technology. Engineering students, for example, who expected entry salaries of $56,000 are getting average offers of $65,000, according to NACE…

        This average starting salary for engineers seems pretty decent and higher than I’ve seen before (and shouldn’t be artificially inflated due to very high offers to petroleum engineers since the oil glut). Heck, I don’t make much more than that and I’ve got two marketable masters degrees and almost 30 years experience!

        Six years after graduating from the University of California, San Diego, 27-year-old Luis Medina has yet to land lasting work as a certified public accountant. He graduated at a time of high unemployment, which economists say can hobble careers for a decade or more…Mr. Medina is now back in San Diego, again unemployed. He says he is hobbled by the economic troubles of years past.

        A 27-year old CPA that can’t find a permanent accounting job? Something doesn’t sound right.

        “Look at how someone from human resources would look at my résumé now,” said Mr. Medina. “I have three short-term jobs. They’ll interpret that as, ‘Maybe this person isn’t very capable or competent.’

        Yep.

        E. Rekshun

        May 29, 2015 at 9:04 AM

      • Passing the CPA exam may not guarantee you a job any more than passing the bar exam does?

      • ^^ WSJ, 05/28/15 – Class of 2015 Is Summa Cum Lucky in the Job Market

        http://www.wsj.com/articles/class-of-2015-is-summa-cum-lucky-in-the-job-market-1432866602

        But maybe it’s just more WSJ propaganda for more H1-B tech immigrants.

        E. Rekshun

        May 29, 2015 at 9:08 AM

      • To E. Rekshun – i was once driving around in my car in Fort Bend County next to Houston and I remarked to someone something like – I guess all those huge mansions over there belong to doctors and lawyers. The reply I got was – Oh no, they belong to petroleum engineers.

        In Fort Bend County petroleum engineers are the Lords of the Horizon.

        Jim

        June 4, 2015 at 12:37 PM

    • If I could do it again, I’d seriously consider being a fireman. It probably the best job if you want to get laid and/or find a quality prole (or above) wife. It’s called heroic (even though it isn’t), good benefits, and paid to work out and to play sports in off time in the back of station.

      fakeemail

      May 27, 2015 at 12:08 PM

      • And you’d have to hang out with firemen all day and lots of those guys are boring idiots.

        In all of the conversations on this site about career choices, etc., I don’t recall ever seeing anyone argue that you should pick a career where you can spend the day among people you like, or at least can tolerate. To me this aspect of career selection is very important.

        OT, for those who say women aren’t funny . . . more proof! http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/lena-dunham-amy-schumer-comedy-797861

        Curle

        May 27, 2015 at 7:02 PM

    • My girlfriend’s former coworker left an operations manager job at a big investment bank to become an FDNY firefighter on Staten Island.

      Good pay, excellent benefits, and high status (in real world terms).

      Dave Pinsen

      May 27, 2015 at 7:12 PM

      • No one cares about civil servants until they need one to service them. Status for men is all about having congeniality with the opposite sex, (who by the way, are now more educated than most men) and not other men, racial minorities or most importantly, proles. A FDNY FF will not garner status among a crowd of college educated White women, unless he has other credentials like your GF’s coworker, who is less than 1% of the respective demographic, and pretty much irrelevant in our discussion, when it comes to the SWPL crowd.

        JS

        May 27, 2015 at 10:25 PM

      • Not to beat a dead horse but…more credentialed, not more educated.

        J1

        May 28, 2015 at 10:25 AM

      • Furthermore, many prole women are now upgrading themselves at a faster pace than prole men. They all want the same essential things that well off SWPL women would want, like organic food, fine meals at expensive restaurants, pets, yoga and international travel, and expect men to foot much of the bill for them. A FF with a boring, parochial job and one that requires a long term, sedentary commitment at the firehouse, doesn’t seem at all sexy to most women. I blame social media for opening up the world to prole women, who appear more curious than prole men. Sad, but true!

        JS

        May 28, 2015 at 11:41 AM

      • Women are much better than men at picking up on what’s popular.

      • “I blame social media for opening up the world to prole women, who appear more curious than prole men. Sad, but true!”

        I blame social media for opening up the world to prole women, who appear more STATUS CONSCIOUS than prole men. Sad, but true!

        FTFY

        peterike

        May 28, 2015 at 1:58 PM

    • I’ll agree w/ LotB that IT (or rather software development) allows one to earn a decent starting salary, but only for credentialed college grads. I earned a starting salary of $30K in 1986 in MA after earning my BS Comp Sci. I’ve been out of software development for many years, but my former peers enjoyed long mostly stable careers and $90K+ salaries before 50 y/o w/o going into management (in the Boston area). They’re all getting close to early retirement now. And we all hear stories of age discrimination in engineering.

      LotB, I’m sure the H-1B pressure on jobs and wages sucks, but what else specifically sucks about and IT career and what IT specialties are sucky?

      E. Rekshun

      May 28, 2015 at 12:28 PM

      • It’s boring. After a while, but not to geeks in their twenties.

        And there’s the relentless need to keep learning the latest programming languages and the latest fads (like design patterns or whatever is faddish now) in order to stay relevant and be able to continue working. No other field has this pressure, and the older one gets the less one wants to keep up (which is hard for youngters to understand, because no one in their twenties ever imagines how they will view the world twenty years down the road).

      • Nothing on the planet could be more mind-numbingly tedious than corporate law – and I mean none other than that hyper-lucrative if snore-inducing world known as BIG LAW. 80 hours a week looking up obscure precedents and writing jargon-congested briefs for the whole purpose of squirting a few more millions into the gaping maws of corporate greed. At least with IT you get to solve fun puzzles and create whirligigs of logic that spin through their paces like little abstract toys.

        Hank Rearden

        May 28, 2015 at 4:21 PM

      • I enjoyed doing legal research when I was in law school, but who knows if that would have lasted having to work 80 hour weeks.

      • 80 hours a week looking up obscure precedents and writing jargon-congested briefs for the whole purpose of squirting a few more millions into the gaping maws of corporate greed.

        Maybe that’s the image you have of it, but it’s an inaccurate image. Without even addressing other aspects of litigation (where brief writing would even be relevant) such as strategy, theme, narrative, etc., the process of writing a motion or brief is best described as verbal model-fitting. Whatever facts are present never perfectly match written law. No one cares about “obscure precedents.” The only reason “obscure precedents” become relevant is after one has constructed an elegant argument from clear precedents. It’s not unlike the process in IT or engineering: fun little puzzles to solve.

        swank

        June 1, 2015 at 3:24 PM

    • I’ve given my firefighter story before, but I’ll repeat it here. In 1983, at 20 y/o, I took my Boston-area suburb’s civil service firefighter exam as a back-up plan to my BS Comp Sci. I scored very well on the test and got offered the $8/hour job. Thinking I was going to have a great career in software, leading to higher executive management, I declined the job offer. High school grad acquaintances that were smart enough to accept the fire fighter job eventually enjoyed $50K – $80K salaries, easy work weeks, camaraderie, lock-tight job security, gold-plated benefits, and retired 25 years later in their mid-to-late 40s with $50K+ annual lifetime pensions.

      E. Rekshun

      May 28, 2015 at 12:34 PM

      • You might not have enjoyed it as much as you think you would have. You’re a smart guy, and firefighters are not.

      • Being a firefighter is a waste of time, not because of the occupation, but the fact that guys sit at the firehouse with much ado about nothing most of the time. No one is responding to a fire and putting out flames every second and minute. It should be a part time job with individuals screened for higher IQs and a college education.

        Whatever happened to the dalmatian breed being the mascot of FFs? It seems like that’s a thing of the past!

        JS

        May 28, 2015 at 4:50 PM

      • I think you’re right and that’s exactly what my father said back in 1983. I guess I’m just a tad jealous of the relatively high wage & pensions, easy work week, job security, camaraderie, and early retirement, all w/o the pre-requirement for lengthy, rigorous education or continual study as we find in software jobs.

        E. Rekshun

        May 28, 2015 at 6:12 PM

      • $80K for a FF position must have been high six figures back in the day and a rad salary for a civil servant. I assume Mr. Eerekshun is a boomer!

        JS

        May 29, 2015 at 9:39 AM

  5. Here’s the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NemNhkF4ZV4

    As you can see Lion, the firemen seem very alpha and probably date attractive prole women. Often Italian/Irish.

    Teldar_Paper

    May 27, 2015 at 10:24 AM

    • I’m not a a fireman type of person.

      • I had a classmate who always wanted to be a FDNY and he turned out to be one. How lucky can one get to be stationed at the Firehouse, one street block away from your childhood home, which is still being occupied by your parents? It happened to him, and it’s not because he had prole connections, just a mere coincidence.

        JS

        May 27, 2015 at 11:07 AM

      • SWPLs don’t want to live that close to their parents.

      • That’s correct, SWPLs don’t want to be around their parents. He had prole aspirations.

        JS

        May 27, 2015 at 11:15 AM

      • And for MaryK, he comes from a Guido family, which means he’s close to his parents, typical of Southern European and Jewish ethnics.

        JS

        May 27, 2015 at 11:17 AM

      • “SWPLs don’t want to live that close to their parents.”

        Correct. A fate worse than death.

        Curle

        May 27, 2015 at 7:05 PM

    • Firemen can very easily be hound dogs. There is a definite subset of women groupies around firemen. Plus, they have schedules that really lend themselves to fooling around on their wives. That “at work four days, off three days” and so on sorts of schedules are useful, especially if you’re smart enough to convince your wife that you actually work five days and not four.

      It seems half the time when you see one of those stories like “man has two wives and two families,” it ends up being a fireman.

      peterike

      May 27, 2015 at 11:12 AM

      • “man has two wives and two families,”

        Why not just shoot yourself and be done with it?

        Curle

        May 27, 2015 at 7:07 PM

      • @peterike: It seems half the time when you see one of those stories like “man has two wives and two families,” it ends up being a fireman.

        Yep, and military guys as well. Through loose acquaintances, I’m personally familiar with two cases like this.

        E. Rekshun

        May 28, 2015 at 6:15 PM

      • “man has two wives and two families,”

        Why not just shoot yourself and be done with it?

        LOL. I heard something similar on “Everybody loves Raymond.” Ray’s Dad tells his son “You got a problem with your woman, you don’t go out and get another woman. Now all you got is two problems.”

        Maryk

        May 30, 2015 at 8:48 PM

    • Italians and Irish joining the FDNY is analogous to Jews who have de facto privilege when it comes to the Ivy Leagues.

      JS

      May 28, 2015 at 10:20 AM

  6. “You’re 45% more likely to be murdered in de Blasio’s Manhattan”

    Perfect headline and God bless the NY Post. I hope the Post gives weekly reports, hopefully with lots of mug shots. The murder rate of course is up in Baltimore too. Stupid Hillary talks about drastically reducing the prison population. Bill would express sympathy but not say something specific like that because he is considerably more intelligent than his wife.

    Dan

    May 27, 2015 at 10:26 AM

    • It’s a highly misleading headline because the article is comparing two periods of time both of which had De Blasio as mayor. It’s also a misleading statistic because it does not cover the other four boroughs or give any indication of whether or not this type of year to year jump occurred under previous mayors.

      Lloyd Llewellyn

      May 27, 2015 at 12:08 PM

      • “It’s a highly misleading headline”

        True. Given the tremendous amount of dishonesty on the other side however, such as the 106(!!!!) stories that the New York Times ran (many of which were dishonest and worse) on the Michael Brown event between August 10th and August 30th, I think a little bit of selective highlighting like the Post does is a good thing. It seems impossible to imagine that (a) the NYT could possibly have had that many stories on a single Ferguson shooting in such a short amount of time and (b) still not get the incredibly simple facts right. I wouldn’t believe it without seeing the list.

        http://28sherman.blogspot.com/2014/12/media-megaphone-contributed-to-brooklyn.html

        At least the Post has its facts right.

        Dan

        May 27, 2015 at 12:26 PM

      • Translation: I don’t mind the lying, so long as it’s my side, but when it’s the other side, I am a crusader for truth.

        swank

        May 27, 2015 at 1:06 PM

      • “Translation: I don’t mind the lying, so long as it’s my side, but when it’s the other side, I am a crusader for truth.”

        Where did the Post lie? They did not. They focused on Manhattan, where murders are indeed up. Manhattan is what the world thinks of when they think of New York, so it is not nothing. And there is no question than DeBlasio is less than fully supportive of cops.

        The NYT and many other news organizations actually did lie rather a lot in spreading the contradicted-by-the-evidence trope that Michael Brown had his hands up. It actually fell upon the Washington Post to fix those particular lies of the Times in January. The Times didn’t have the integrity to do so.

        Dan

        May 27, 2015 at 2:04 PM

      • In order for Manhattan to be completely safe from NAMs, the outer boroughs must be entirely gentrified. Can this be a reality? I have been hearing from the media that “NYC is becoming the new Los Angeles”. Manhattan has a lost a lot of its mojo, due to 1) its housing costs have gotten way too expensive, 2) SWPLs are moving to Brooklyn and now Queens as a result, and 3) much of the cool amenities are being replicated in these areas, where traveling to Manhattan to enjoy them, is no longer necessary.

        We never hear stories of black miscreants causing trouble in Beverly Hills or some other tony area of Los Angeles, because these troublemakers are far far away in their own little isolated corner in the city.

        It will never happen, given the fact that NYC is the handout, welfare city state of the nation, that also attracts all kinds of low IQ undesirables from the 3rd world.

        JS

        May 27, 2015 at 6:55 PM

      • You say that gentrifying the outer boroughs is good for manhattan and then talk talk about how bad it is that Brooklyn and Queens are gentrifying.

        Lloyd Llewellyn

        May 28, 2015 at 7:42 AM

      • I never said gentrification in the outer boroughs was bad, just expensive. It would be good news to me, if one day, the apartment rentals around Coney Island are in the same price range as those in Manhattan, because there is a Whole Foods and few Starbucks lining up there.

        JS

        May 28, 2015 at 8:19 AM

      • @JS: We never hear stories of black miscreants causing trouble in Beverly Hills or some other tony area of Los Angeles, because these troublemakers are far far away in their own little isolated corner in the city.

        And the fact that LA is 10% black (and probably on the decrease) and NYC is 26% black, according to census.gov

        E. Rekshun

        May 28, 2015 at 12:19 PM

      • It now appears that the greatest city in the America is Pittsburgh. A burgeoning town with a low cost of living and 95% White at the core, with black miscreants stuck in their little own outskirt, far away from civilization.

        It takes proles to move one step forward to create lively towns, instead being trapped in an industrial gridlock like most prolier cities.

        JS

        May 28, 2015 at 4:42 PM

  7. Where is the intrepid reporting around this? Reporters are always rushing out asking people about racism and micro-aggressions and what have you. Why isn’t someone from the Times out asking thugs, “so are you more likely to carry a gun now?” As Yogi Berra might say, you can learn a lot just by asking.

    Or maybe they are reporting on it. I don’t read the Times so how would I know?

    peterike

    May 27, 2015 at 11:09 AM

    • Cuz they’re afraid. Asking Tyrone if he conceals a gun? Only the mafia or some White biker gang would ask him that question.

      JS

      May 27, 2015 at 11:38 AM

    • Because they are too busy asking about racism and micro-aggressions. Gotta report the ‘news’ don’t they?

      Curle

      May 27, 2015 at 7:10 PM

  8. O/T: Lion, a slide from the legendary ‘state of the internet’ presentation Mary Meeker of KPCB does every year:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-27/the-9-slides-that-matter-from-mary-meeker-s-state-of-the-internet#media-6

    A manager that reads this blog (and your old one) would’ve known how to answer that right.

    uatu

    May 27, 2015 at 2:39 PM

  9. “I advance it therefore as a suspicion only, that the blacks, whether originally a distinct race, or made distinct by time and circumstances, are inferior to the whites in the endowments both of body and mind. … This unfortunate difference of colour, and perhaps of faculty, is a powerful obstacle to the emancipation of these people.” -Thomas Jefferson

    rivelino

    May 27, 2015 at 3:55 PM

    • Translation: my white wife was smarter than her mulatto sister, even if the mulatto was better in the sack. This I must advance as a suspicion because my white wife is dead and her sister would cut me off if she ever caught me saying such a thing.

      Curle

      May 27, 2015 at 7:15 PM

    • If many famous individuals of achievement have said not so pleasant things about blacks, and we have not taken heed of their word, then we’re pretty much a lost cause. You’re seeing it in modern day America, with our liberals and black pandering.

      JS

      May 28, 2015 at 8:52 AM

    • “I have frequently heard it objected to the scheme of embodying negroes, that they are too stupid to make soldiers. This is so far from appearing to me a valid objection, that I think their want of cultivation (for their natural faculties are as good as ours), jointed to that habit of subordination which they acquire from a life of servitude, will enable them sooner to become soldiers than our white inhabitants.” – Alexander Hamilton.

      I suppose it isn’t a coincidence that AH and TJ were famous enemies.

      swank

      May 28, 2015 at 1:22 PM

      • @ swank the black apologist

        If East Asians with their higher IQs are slow to make original breakthroughs and lead the world, do you expect blacks to take their place???

        JS

        May 28, 2015 at 9:33 PM

      • I always liked Aaron Burr.

        Curle

        May 29, 2015 at 1:01 AM

  10. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fitting-in-on-upper-east-side-of-manhattan-means-the-right-pregnancy-the-right-school-the-right-hermes-bag-2015-05-27?page=2

    A great insight into life as an elite SWPL / TOOS. This actually sounds like a miserable way to spend your time if you are wealthy.

    dastardlyrake

    May 27, 2015 at 3:57 PM

    • I read that article a couple days ago. I’m still recovering. I wouldn’t characterize them as SWPLs. These people are beyond obnoxiously wealthy. They are filthy rich. The best part was about how they constantly worry their husbands are drawing up divorce papers and/or seeing a mistress. Of course no man would write a book ratting out his buddies, but this woman will squawk about all the bitchez in her social circle… assuming what she has to say is true.

      Vince

      May 28, 2015 at 1:13 AM

      • It’s kind of depressing to read these women as being long term prostitutes for hire, and more good reasons to ditch status whoring NYC, and America as a whole, where our money, circle jerking culture resembles that of a rat running ceaselessly on the rodent wheel. These families with all their money, are still worrying about their children not being Ivy League material??? Prole and Ha!

        JS

        May 28, 2015 at 12:04 PM

    • This helps explain the trend to non-marriage by some of the super rich, like Paul Allen.

      Curle

      May 29, 2015 at 1:16 AM

    • >>For those who didn’t go to prestigious schools, don’t come from money, and aren’t interested in sports and booze—it’s near impossible to gain access to the best paying jobs.<<

      I believe this assertion to be true. Considering this, how will the Ivy league continue to get away with their very obvious discrimination against Asians? Well, they will get away with it.

      Daniel H

      May 28, 2015 at 5:06 PM

    • From the same article, confirming the Lion’s observation that only the rich can afford to work.

      >>
      Lam: You describe in the book that telling an interviewer working just because you want to work is not a good enough story. In fact, it’s the worst.

      Rivera: Yeah, interviewers really look for “personal passion.” The idea of passion was so central to a convincing story, THINGS LIKE OBLIGATIONS WERE KIND OF A BUZZKILL. They wanted something that had more of a personal touch, and it was fueled by inner drive instead of any type of external demand—whether it’s a family member you have to take care of, or you have to pay your tuition bills, and so forth. That was not as valued.
      <<

      Daniel H

      May 28, 2015 at 5:32 PM

  11. off topic on the most dear credential of all, the md:

    http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/05/27/407967899/a-top-medical-school-revamps-requirements-to-lure-english-majors

    a story which captures credentialism run amok and the inexpertness of experts, namely medical doctors.

    that is, with few exceptions an md’s job can be done by software and nurses, and md’s aren’t that smart. what they have isn’t skill or native intelligence. what they have is a credential. and they’re 15% of the 1%.

    as e. rection mentioned, mds aren’t that smart. they’re grinds. a category of people unique to ‘mer’ca and who are uniquely rewarded in ‘mer’ca.

    selecao

    May 28, 2015 at 12:31 AM

    • Docs are somewhat smart, but with high conscientious and future time orientation. Like you say, they grind. I think we will see care increasingly delivered by mid-level provides (NP, PA) who are paid similarly to nurses and have similar work expectations. That care will be increasingly protocolized with software assisting providers to follow algorithms. The medical industry is a mess in the US.

      RP

      May 28, 2015 at 7:07 AM

      • As in everything else, what isn’t a mess in the US?

        JS

        May 28, 2015 at 8:20 AM

      • @RP: Docs are somewhat smart, but with high conscientious and future time orientation. Like you say, they grind.

        Good points.

        I think we will see care increasingly delivered by mid-level provides (NP, PA) who are paid similarly to nurses

        But, we’ve been hearing this same line at least since HMOs hit the market in, what, 1980. Yet, docs continue to clean up, especially the specialists. Even, the basic GP working as an employee makes $150K+. I’m familiar w/ several ARNPs in S. FL, and they cannot find work as an ARNP; they’ve got to work as RNs for $30-$35 per hour. They’re happy to get a stable job with benefits working as an RN in the County jail, locked up treating degenerates for 8 hours per day.

        E. Rekshun

        May 28, 2015 at 6:25 PM

    • I vaguely recall that Linda Goittfredson’s data showed an average IQ of about 125 for US physicians. That would put the average physician at about the 95th percentile of the US population and about the 99th percentile of the world population. Do you know of any other data on the IQ of physicians?

      Jim

      May 28, 2015 at 9:11 AM

      • 125 sounds right to me.

      • I doubt the average physician has a higher IQ than the average lawyer.

        swank

        May 28, 2015 at 1:16 PM

      • @ Swank

        I’d say that the average doc definitely has a higher IQ than the average lawyer, but probably not much higher than the average T14 grad / BIGLAWyer.

        Renault

        May 29, 2015 at 4:11 PM

      • The MCAT is not considered a substitute for an IQ test. The LSAT is considered to be a substitute for an IQ test. Lawyers are sorted based on what is commonly accepted as an IQ test. Doctors are not. And it’s that simple.

        swank

        May 30, 2015 at 8:23 PM

      • I am sure the MCAT is very g-loaded.

      • Not g-loaded enough for it to be considered “acceptable” by any of the IQ societies.

        swank

        May 30, 2015 at 8:28 PM

  12. Re: doctors: I would caveat the above two statements slightly.
    “md’s aren’t that smart.” “Docs are somewhat smart.”

    Doctors are pretty smart-but by pretty smart, I mean they are about as intelligent as any other upper middle class profession (for example, military officers, accountants, lawyers, etc).

    The two comments are also correct; they are ‘grinds.’ But that is a pretty big deal. Doctors really do learn more, and memorize more, and work harder longer, than just about anybody else (as a class-there are exceptions in every profession, of course).

    What doctors are not (and what most upper middle class folks-military officers, accountants, lawyers, etc, are not) is curious, or questioning, or good problem solvers. Doctors are probably no more likely to be deep thinkers or readers than any other upper middle class person.

    In my experience, that second type of intelligence (questioning, curious, problem solvers) is either 1) an eccentric, high end graduate student (philosophy, history, physics, and even oddballs in softer fields like psychology or english), or 2) engineers.

    Under this definition of intelligence (questioning, curious, problem solvers), engineers seem to be the most intelligent (as a class or profession). However, this also requires a big caveat-because many many engineers (perhaps even a majority) are socially inept and not really curious outside of their particular field (they are highly skilled technicians). In other words, even within the bright class, it is a smaller subset that is really ‘intelligent.’ That smaller subset just happens to be larger in engineering than in other professions.

    So to sum up:
    if you meet an intelligent guy (under the above definition of intelligence), that person is likely to be an oddball in his field, or an engineer.
    Doctors aren’t especially ‘intelligent’ under this definition. But their ‘grinding’ or ‘focus’ is nonetheless pretty damned impressive compared to 99% of the rest of the population.

    anonymousse

    anonymousse

    May 28, 2015 at 11:40 AM

    • Yes, doctors need to know a lot in order to do their jobs. You can’t bullshit your way through surgery.

      • The surgery scene from Woody Allen’s “Bananas.”

        Tony

        May 28, 2015 at 1:22 PM

      • @LotB: Yes, doctors need to know a lot in order to do their jobs. You can’t bullshit your way through surgery.

        True, but I’m amazed at the few cases doctor imposters that turn up each year. It seems like these successfully fakes pull it off for years before their caught.

        E. Rekshun

        May 29, 2015 at 4:11 AM

    • Related to IQ, I just read an interesting article, “The Empty Promise” by Grady Towers. One of the conclusions is that an IQ of 140+ has little impact on your professional success.

      Finally, in the 39th Yearbook of the National Society for the Study of Education Part I, pp. 83-84, Terman made a most astonishing statement. “Our conclusion is that for subjects brought up under present-day educational regimes, excess in IQ above 140 or 150 adds little to one’s achievement in the early adult years.” A little farther on he says, “The data reviewed indicate that, above the IQ level of 140, adult success is largely determined by such factors as social adjustment, emotional stability, and drive to accomplishment.”

      In other word, an extremely high IQ conveys no practical advantages at all.

      https://web.archive.org/web/20060206030830/http://www.eskimo.com/~miyaguch/grady/emptypromise.html

      I immediately mapped this to being bored and unfulfilled by your work, even if you’re a theoretical physicist or working in IT. So the question suggests itself: what would be suitable occupations or professions for those with very high IQs?

      Glengarry

      May 28, 2015 at 5:36 PM

      • Chelsea Clinton seems to enjoy being a philanthropist.

      • The SMPY (Mathematically precocious youth) study suggests otherwise, eg that there are ever increasing gains for participants above 140. It may depend on your choice of career as it seems more likely to me that theoretical physicists would benefit more than doctors or lawyers. I think Steve Hsu has written a few posts about SMPY.

        Gregory Park, David Lubinski, and Camilla P. Benbow, Ability Differences Among People Who Have Commensurate Degrees Matter for Scientific Creativity @ https://my.vanderbilt.edu/smpy

        magicman

        May 29, 2015 at 2:42 AM

      • Chelsea is so super whip smart. I can see her as like president in a while.

        Glengarry

        May 29, 2015 at 10:27 AM

      • She’s genuinely smart. Her parents are smart, and IQ is genetic. Don’t you know anything about HBD?

        That doesn’t mean she’s doing anything really significant with her life. Or that it qualifies her to be president.

      • Interesting site. “Mathematically precocious” means top 1%, which I assume is IQ 140+. The paper “Life Paths and Ability Differences …” didn’t seem to provide the sort of answers I’d have liked to compare with Towersä article, such as actual IQ versus life success, or the range of outcomes rather than just successes. But I scanned it very quickly so the information might be there or perhaps can be found elsewhere.

        Physics is probably the most intellectually demanding profession we have. But I’ve met at least one theoretical physicist who graduated (MSc), realized the rest of his life would be about pushing formulas through Mathematica and promptly switched careers. (Into IT, naturally.)

        Those who have tried modern academia will probably know that the PhD, post-doc, assistant professor track (repeat until tenure) is something that more rewards immense patience and grinding than pure intellectual firepower.

        By the way, from the same paper, here’s something for another hobby horse of some of us:

        On average, [mathematically precocious] males had incomes much greater than
        their spouses’, whereas [mathematically precocious] females had incomes slightly lower than their spouses’.

        Glengarry

        May 29, 2015 at 10:59 AM

      • Would you say Chelsea is smarter than Obama?

        Glengarry

        May 29, 2015 at 1:02 PM

      • Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School, so he must be pretty smart.

  13. My experience with physicians in the U.S. is that specialists are truly impressive people and general practitioners are thoroughly mediocre. I think that general practitioners are often reasonably intelligent (an average IQ of 125 sounds high to me, but it is possible), but they receive a very poor education. The medical school admissions process’ emphasis on grades discourages premed students from taking difficult courses.
    Most premed students take only lower division math and science courses … organic chemistry is typically the hardest course they take. In many cases, they take the “baby” versions of the math and science courses offered by a school (e.g., there are often two separate Calculus sequences: one for math/science/engineering majors and another for econ/premed/bio majors). Med school itself seems to be mostly about memorization.

    The result is that the average physician in the U.S. has roughly a high school education.

    Very long account name

    May 28, 2015 at 1:16 PM

    • When it comes to math, there are very few Americans, even in the top 1%, who know as much as a typical 18-year-old from China.

      However, doctors don’t really need to know math, because they aren’t really scientists.

      • Statistics plays a fairly large role in the medical literature and it seems to me some basic knowledge of the field would be of benefit to most doctors.

        Very long account name

        May 28, 2015 at 4:35 PM

      • Doctors don’t need to know any statistics, they just tell you the conventional wisdom and do it authoritatively.

      • Medical schools include a brief course on “epidemiology and biostatistics,” which really teaches some general principles and things we’re supposed to need to know to interpret studies, as opposed to how to actually crunch the numbers. Medical schools and residencies also would very much like to claim they train people to read biomedical science papers and research studies critically and interpret the results themselves, in preparation for being lifelong learners, but of course in reality for most docs this gets lost in the shuffle.

        Medical schools also tend to self-select for people with a very narrow interest in applied biomedical science. These are people whose lives have been defined since high school by their skill at memorizing large volumes of biological factoids. There are plenty of very intelligent people in medicine, but because medical school, residency, and a career as a doctor are so time-consuming and narrowly focused, many of them never develop broader intellectual interests. I can tell you that plenty of medical students and doctors are liberal SWPLs who fancy themselves intelligent, right-thinking people because they listen to NPR and read the New York Times.

        Also, while grades are important in medical school admissions, so is one’s score on the MCAT, a standardized test which was, at least when I took it, highly g-loaded. That may have changed with the recent update to the MCAT in which SJWs revamped it to test concepts like racism and white privilege.

        Hermes

        May 29, 2015 at 1:00 AM

    • When I was in college organic chemistry culled the pre-med herd. Seemed like 1/2 reconsidered their goals after going through organic chemistry. Made them aware of the grind that was in store if they continued down the med path.

      Daniel H

      May 28, 2015 at 4:58 PM

      • True, like calculus or physics for engineering students.

        E. Rekshun

        May 29, 2015 at 4:13 AM

  14. Since Manhattan is now officially the Murder Capitol of the World, time for Lion to wise up and move to Williamsburg. Specifically, here:

    http://gothamist.com/2015/05/28/101_bedford_speedo_ready.php

    Building has more amenities than I would have conceived possible. Do people really live like this? There’s probably a sign in the lobby saying “no proles allowed.”

    peterike

    May 28, 2015 at 2:30 PM

    • There’s more of a chance of being nabbed by a NAM in Williesburg than Manhattan.

      The lobby should say “proles with money are welcome”, because that place sure doesn’t look SWPLfied to me.

      JS

      May 28, 2015 at 9:48 PM

    • Maybe Lion ought to check out Pittsburgh and move there with his 1/2 million $ paltry retirement fund!!!

      26 Rankings That Prove Pittsburgh is Better Than Every Other City

      https://getfitpgh.com/pittsburgh-best-city/

      Location wise, the Steel City is between NYC and Florida, and is AFFORDABLE!

      JS

      May 28, 2015 at 11:47 PM

      • If you draw a line between NYC and any city in Florida, Pittsburgh will be far west of that line.

      • You’re correct, it’s in the industrial prole zone known as the former Rust Belt.

        JS

        May 29, 2015 at 9:29 AM

      • I visited Pittsburgh twice. The place has it’s charm, but it is weird ( at least by my standards). It’s basically 88 little neighborhoods connected by bridges. Their “subway” only has about 4 stops on it – people generally get around by bus. A lot of the city is not walkable. And it isn’t easy to get a cab or car service there. I specifically remembers certain neighborhoods there that sort of looked like an urban equivalent of Appalachia. For some unknown reason I found these areas fascinating – wondering how the white people there would compare to the whites in Brooklyn.

        OT: Does anyone know much about Gerritsen Beach? It seems to be one of the few white working class areas left in Brooklyn that isn’t being gentrified.

        Maryk

        May 30, 2015 at 9:02 PM

      • My grandparents lived near there, between Knapp St and Nostrand Ave. And my uncle, who was a court officer, lived in Mill Basin.

      • I’ve visited Pittsburgh for a business trip two years ago. I was staying at the Sheraton in the downtown core area for 3 days and didn’t venture too far off. It’s a city with pockets of culture offerings that are not really interconnected with one another by efficient public transportation like Manhattan to Brooklyn, other than a slow crawl on the bus. It sort of reminds me of Chicago, but smaller with less obnoxious residents, without the crankiness/inferiority complex of being 2nd tier to New Yorkers. What defines a vibrant city for those who read this blog and see themselves as high ground? An array of reasonably priced apartment rentals, bookstores, cafes and universities, which Pittsburgh has in an abundance, compared to Manhattan or SWPL Brooklyn, which has nothing of this sort. The only major issue with the city is the poor air quality at the busy intersections.

        It goes to show that most American chumps have no clue as to what makes a city vibrant and liveable, other than the expensive liberal centers, which are under the mercy of the corporatists and value transference parasites. Last year, I’ve attended a lecture given by a few academics, who ponder the fate of our American cities in the future. They have no clue, and even American professors fall sway to our money culture. Their answer to our decrepit cities was ruthless capitalism, and not self actualization. Sad!

        JS

        May 31, 2015 at 12:16 PM

  15. WaPo, 05/28/15 – Killer of D.C. attorney pleads guilty to second-degree murder

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/hearing-scheduled-for-thursday-for-accused-killer-of-dc-attorney/2015/05/27/6104f22e-04ac-11e5-8bda-c7b4e9a8f7ac_story.html

    A D.C. woman admitted in court Thursday that she fatally stabbed and robbed a lawyer in an upscale hotel after answering an online ad he had posted seeking sex with a man. Jamyra Gallmon, 21, pleaded guilty to second-degree murder in the Feb. 9 killing of David Messerschmitt, who worked at the international firm DLA Piper. He was found dead in a room at the Donovan hotel in Logan Circle, stabbed repeatedly in the abdomen, groin and heart, according to police…Gallmon plotted a robbery by tricking Messerschmitt into thinking she was a man, even emailing him a photo of a man’s torso. Gallmon brought zip ties that could be used to bind Messerschmitt, and a small knife, prosecutors said. Police have said Messerschmitt was already in the hotel room when Gallmon arrived and had texted his wife that he would return to their Capitol Hill home in about an hour…Gallmon had stolen about $40 from the victim as well as the victim’s Metro SmartTrip card

    E. Rekshun

    May 28, 2015 at 5:24 PM

  16. you’d have to have a model (parametric distribution) of shootings per year to test the null hypothesis.

    that is, the number would vary from year to year. the question is how much.

    Robert Gabriel Mugabe

    May 28, 2015 at 9:14 PM

  17. We’ve had a little expeiment here. Under conditions about as close to a scientific experiment as you can get in real life and the results are coming in.

    Jim

    June 4, 2015 at 12:24 PM


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