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The high cost of avoiding proles when on vacation

There’s a travel article by Elaine Glusac in the Wall Street Journal about how she, her husband, and son, enjoyed seven days of touring Alaska on a small cruise ship.

The last time (and only time) I was on a cruise, it was exceedingly prole. In order to avoid proles, you need lots of money. I think this “un-cruise” costs about $4,000 per person double occupancy, and since her son had his own room, which costs 175% of the double occupancy rate, their family vacation cost $15,000.

Wow, that’s a lot of money. Does she make so much money as a travel writer? Was the trip comped because she’s a travel writer? Or does she have a rich husband who paid for the vacation?

Her husband is Dave Bartusek, is the founder of Prairie Home Builders. The company claims sales of 5 million dollars a year. If the profit margin is 7%, then maybe Dave brings home $350,000/year, before taxes.

I still don’t know the correct answer.

THE ANSWER IS:

Mark Caplan writes in a comment:

Last year The Wall Street Journal scrubbed a free-lance travel writer’s submissions from its website when it learned the free-lancer had accepted perks and discounts. “Such deals violate the Journal’s policy that forbids writers from accepting free goods or services or from taking discounts not available to the general public.”

I guess the answer is that, in order to be a travel writer, you either need to have a rich spouse or rich parents. Yet another example of how only the rich can afford to work.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

May 29, 2015 at 9:05 PM

Posted in Proles, Wealth

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  1. “touring” alaska on a cruise ship?

    here’s how one “tours” alsaka…

    rent-a-car. sleep outside in sleeping bags. walk.

    nyc-ers want everything in a zoo.

    a rule of late capitalism, at least, and contra the libertardian bullshit:

    if someone’s selling it a woman, or fag, or new yorker will buy it.

    selecao

    May 29, 2015 at 9:34 PM

    • Seeing terms like “late capitalism” thrown around by vulgar conservatives is an oddity I cherish.

      mupetblast

      May 30, 2015 at 12:00 AM

      • I used to live in Alaska, where the locals would chuckle at the young people from the Lower 48 (largely from the Northeast) who moved up there and chose to live in cabins without running water. We had plenty of running water and functioning toilets in town.

        lpt

        May 30, 2015 at 1:14 AM

      • IPT – If you haven’t noticed, Alaska is located in Canuckistan territory. The Last Frontier, like most states in the continental US, has less “classier” place names than those of Canadian domains, which are of British, French and Native origins.

        JS

        May 30, 2015 at 9:42 AM

      • Canuckistan’s sexier geographical names over Meriprolestan, is at least a ten-fold:

        This could be assumed that our pioneers were prolier than the those of the Great White North.

        JS

        May 30, 2015 at 3:53 PM

      • Seeing terms like “late capitalism” thrown around by vulgar conservatives is an oddity I cherish.

        Certainly selecao/videla/mugabe is vulgar. But conservative?

        The Undiscovered Jew

        May 30, 2015 at 6:41 PM

      • “vulgar” is a term of abuse used exclusively by snobs…pretetious proles.

        there’s nothing more vulgar than libertarianism except perhaps libertarianism.

        selecao

        May 31, 2015 at 10:27 PM

    • A lot of wealthy people are older and have health problems making roughing it difficult.

      Dave Pinsen

      May 30, 2015 at 5:02 AM

      • pssst…say “a lot of rich people”.

        “wealthy” is a prole-genteelism…

        some things have no euphamism. using supposed euphamisms merely draws attention to how disgusting they are.

        say “shit” or even “feces” or “crap”. don’t say…

        i can’t bring myself to say it.

        triumph the insult comic dog uses it.

        as with everything american…no south. no problem.

        selecao

        June 1, 2015 at 10:01 PM

      • pssst…say “a lot of rich people”.

        “wealthy” is a prole-genteelism, aka americanism…

        some things have no euphamism. using supposed euphamisms merely draws attention to how disgusting they are.

        say “shit” or even “feces” or “crap”. don’t say…

        i can’t bring myself to say it.

        triumph the insult comic dog uses it a lot.

        as with everything american…no south. no problem.

        selecao

        June 1, 2015 at 10:06 PM

    • Meriproles in the name of the game, are big spenders of big companies with big gov’t at hand to broker the deals. This behavior in essence defines how Prolecans live their lives. Spend, spend, spend, on the corporatists, because they told them to oblige, yes sir, and let the big gov’t step in, if anything goes wrong. If Farsebucks, Gobble and Amazin decided to get into the cruise business, expect mom n pop touring lines to close shop in a heartbeat.

      JS

      May 30, 2015 at 11:18 AM

    • During the defrosted part of the year, Alaska has some of the largest, most aggressive mosquitos on earth. No sane person would sleep outside there.

      J1

      May 30, 2015 at 11:31 AM

  2. National Geographic offers a round-the-world tour, 24 days long, via a private 757 with no more than 65 participants. Cost for a single is $85,000 and cost for a couple is $144,000. I wonder how many proles take that!

    CamelCaseRob

    May 29, 2015 at 9:51 PM

  3. “If the profit margin is 7%, then maybe Dave brings home $350,000/year, before taxes.”

    Dave probably pays himself a modest salary. I own a business as well, and my accountant and attorney both tell me I have to have a “reasonable” W-2 income, basically amounting to the low end of whatever I would have to pay someone to run the business for me. Of course, I have dividend income over and above the salary I pay myself, plus other perks like a company provided car, benefits, etc. etc.

    So Dave is probably paying himself $125-150K a year as salary, with rest in other forms of compensation (e.g. company car, benefits, etc. etc.). I’d bet he’s bringing in closer to $425K or $450K.

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    May 29, 2015 at 9:53 PM

  4. “In order to avoid proles, you need lots of money.”

    Or a great divide in skill-sets. Such as primitive living skills and knowledge of the local topography and climate; which you’ll need to know if you want to hike where they were hiking unaccompanied. To the best of my knowledge back-country hiking/camping isn’t popular amongst suburban and urban proles not because it’s expensive but because it’s intense, time consuming to learn how to do (time is money though), and risky. Alaska can kill you if you don’t know what you’re doing. I think it’s more about the intensity and thrill seeking rather than a financial divide. Proles don’t strike me as the types who are into this level of intense sight seeing. They’d opt for easier sight seeing.

    However, I can definitely see the appeal of the way they did it. When they got cold they just went back to the ship and drank hot chai. That’s funny.

    on the space highway to hell

    May 29, 2015 at 9:59 PM

    • I forgot to mention this activity does seem very bobo seeing as it’s exclusive on several levels.

      on the space highway to hell

      May 29, 2015 at 10:08 PM

    • If you go camping, you’ll probably avoid underclass African Americans, but some whites of all classes will enjoy the outdoors.

      Dave Pinsen

      May 30, 2015 at 5:04 AM

      • For such tribal and primitive people, they don’t do well outdoors.

        Mobutu

        May 30, 2015 at 12:43 PM

      • Just got back from spending the weekend at a fishing camp (we stayed in a rustic cabin). Everyone there was white and seemed fairly normal. Nice quiet place, no criminals or loud music. Who gives a damn if they are proles?

        Rosenmop

        June 1, 2015 at 2:09 AM

      • I think that the prole whites who like the outdoors are much better behaved than the prole whites who go to Seaside Heights, NJ (in other words, guidos).

      • What about the Prolier Bears in Coney Island? They sure love the beach during the winter time. Don’t you just love the scantily clad, bikini wearing, women splashing in the sub freezing water.

        JS

        June 1, 2015 at 9:12 AM

      • I never really much interacted with proles until I left home in my twenties, though now in my thirties, I seldom interact with them except when I choose to go drinking in a part of town where I don’t risk running into neighbors, co-workers, friends or people I went to high school with.

        I find the proles are not so bad…many are salt of the earth types who make an honest living creating real value and exude more authenticity than SWPLs. The problem is the low proles/bottom out of sights…especially the women, who go absolutely ballistic when they are ignored, but if you don’t ignore them, that just encourages them, so it’s a no win situation.

        Just yesterday I insisted on having pizza in a bad part of town because the Lion claims proles make good pizza and they had a nice outdoor patio I wanted to enjoy. The pizza was indeed good but a female bottom out sight suddenly walked off the streets and onto the patio and asked me “are you guys open?”

        “Yes, they’re open,” I replied.

        “Sorry, I thought you worked here,” she said.

        No you didn’t, I thought. You were just looking for an excuse to talk to me, and you know darn well they’re open because it’s the middle of the afternoon! About ten minutes later another bottom out of sight walked rapidly past the patio, looked at me and asked “how are you today?” It was nice that she greeted me since strangers keep to themselves in the better part of town, and although she was very well dressed for a bottom of sight, she looked like she was on cocaine.

        pumpkinperson

        June 1, 2015 at 10:22 AM

    • Hiking and tent camping in general tend to be non-prole. If proles go camping they go in trailers.

      Peter

      ironrailsironweights

      May 30, 2015 at 8:31 AM

    • Correct, proles are rather incurious as a people. They want familiarity, as in many SWPLs as well. Wait, what does this say about us? Americans are mostly proles!

      JS

      May 30, 2015 at 8:35 AM

  5. How can you avoid proles on vacation? You can’t even avoid them on LOTB Damn proles……they’re everywhere.

    Maryk

    May 29, 2015 at 10:10 PM

    • Proles, Guidos, & NAMs!

      E. Rekshun

      May 30, 2015 at 6:47 PM

      • Or the PGA Tour (Proles, Guidos & Afros).

        JS

        May 30, 2015 at 8:06 PM

      • I hope you understood that my post was intended to be sarcastic! I have never really understood what good the word “prole” does us since it seems to include about 90% of the population. But I think a lot of us here really use the word to mean “the rest of the non-elite that is not nearly as superior and refined as the readership of LOTB is!” In reality, if proles constitute this large an element of the population then what really matters are the subcategories of prole. For example, high proles make fine neighbors, but low proles don’t. A segment of the high prole population probably borders on Class X or what used to be called “middle class” and would be able to pass as bobo or SWPL if it was interested in doing so. This segment of the prole population is far from hopeless and could really be improved with some good leadership and good influence. I don’t know if you’d agree, but this is the segment that I view myself as belonging to.

        Maryk

        May 30, 2015 at 8:35 PM

      • Most high proles do not border on Class X, never did and never will. SWPLs, for the most part, do not genuinely embrace Class X values, let alone any high prole who acts if their life is that of a bohemian. There are only 2 types of people who are in the camp of Class X: Artists and Intellectuals.

        JS

        May 31, 2015 at 10:30 AM

  6. Touring Palin Land, Alaska, would be prole, for the mere fact that it is a red state of the UFSA.

    A trip to the Arctic proper is not prole, because credulous bumpkins don’t like the unfamiliar. A real SWPL trip to the colder reaches, would be to the South Pole – Antarctica.

    JS

    May 29, 2015 at 11:15 PM

    • A vacation to Patagonia would be exceedingly bobo.

      chairman

      May 30, 2015 at 10:36 AM

      • Or perhaps Deception Island, just off Antarctica, and that’s one helluva place (which also resembles an opening of a female genitalia from a bird’s eye view), It has a bloody history of whale murder, and today there is still volcanic activity under it.

        SWPL? Certainly not prolish!

        JS

        May 30, 2015 at 8:21 PM

  7. Don’t the kinds of people who get hired by outlets like WSJ tend to have a lot of in-law help? Gifts to married kids are unlimited “non-gifts,” right? I’ll never forget a regular feature in The New Republic in the late ’80’s called “Money Culture.” In one issue the writer asked, “hey, how did our neighbors afford that new Acura? Answer: parents.

    morty

    May 30, 2015 at 12:00 AM

  8. I like having sex with trashy women so prole hotspots don’t bother me. You show me a dental hygienist with perky fake breasts showing a little cheek out the bottom of some cutoff denim shorts…mmmmmhhhhhmmmm! Plan B is a great garnish in a mojito.

    I take the Benjamin Graham approach to vacation courtship.

    Plasmatron

    May 30, 2015 at 12:18 AM

    • FWIW, I suspect “prole” women are less likely to have fake boobs than their non-prole counterparts.

      J1

      May 30, 2015 at 11:13 AM

      • Actually, I associate fake boobs with proles like “teen mom Mackenzie” (who has very nice muscles; prole girls can certainly have excellent bodies, especially when they are young). http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/19/mackenzie-mckee-breast-implants-kickstarter-teen-mom-boobs/

      • @LotB: I associate fake boobs with proles like “teen mom Mackenzie”

        “Teen mom” Farrah Abraham also had a boob job. I thought she was quite pretty, but unbearably petulant. Her mom was a nightmare. According to Wikipedia, Abraham turns 24 tomorrow, May 31st. Wow, it seems like she was just on “16 & Pregnant.” She must have also had some facial plastic surgery and doesn’t look as pretty. (Oh, and she also released a “sex tape” a couple of years ago.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farrah_Abraham

        http://farrahabraham.me/

        E. Rekshun

        May 30, 2015 at 2:40 PM

      • Actually, I associate fake boobs with proles like “teen mom Mackenzie” (who has very nice muscles;

        Rich girls also get breast and nose jobs.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        May 30, 2015 at 4:45 PM

      • You associate boob jobs with TV performers because they are probably the only women you ever see who have obviously had one (they have a large flat spot between their breasts). They aren’t representative; a normal woman doesn’t push it that far, and unless you knew her before she did it, you probably couldn’t tell they were fake.

        J1

        May 31, 2015 at 4:03 PM

    • Exactly. “Family vacations” are not a lot of fun for most men. The only reason you go on vacation with a woman is to be able to fuck her in a relaxing environment with no distractions and time constraints, NOT to stand in the ice cream line with your kids or ferry them to gross public restrooms every 90 minutes.

      There are usually more hot women at these vacation spots prompting a so-close-yet-so-far frustration.

      LOTB let the workadaddys worry about prolecations. You are bachelor! Free to hit on local girls – prole, SWPL, exotic – wherever you go and get a “deeper” understanding of the culture than your typical tourist.

      ATC

      May 30, 2015 at 12:08 PM

      • I’m not good at hitting on local girls, you must be confusing me with Roissy or Roosh V.

      • A manosphere in a cruise, would be a disaster-sphere in the making. Everyone know who you’re and if you’re jerk to the ladies, expect to be cornered in your little room, because everyone knows what “suite” /floor you’re staying at. All the best reasons to avoid a cruise altogether!

        JS

        May 30, 2015 at 1:48 PM

      • How good would you have to be to get some self-actualization out of it? Most any hobby only gives you awesome moments maybe 5% of the time you’re doing them. The other 95% is grinding, screwing up, hurry up and wait, etc.

        ATC

        May 30, 2015 at 2:12 PM

      • Think ports of call. LOTB could disembark in San Juan, take some pictures, making paintings out of them, and then get a date with some of the cute PR girls he sees in NY and then show them his paintings.

        9 months later, Leon Jr. Del Blogosferio!

        ATC

        May 30, 2015 at 2:17 PM

      • I’m not good at hitting on local girls,

        I told you to try Eastern Europeans.

        Have you thought about marrying a half-Jewish woman in her early 30s? They’re intelligent, because of this they like dating white nerds, often don’t have JAP attitudes, are pretty, and have large breasts and wide hips .

        The Undiscovered Jew

        May 30, 2015 at 4:52 PM

      • No, ATC! Lion must remember the 11th Commandment: Thou shalt not beget children with women from low average IQ breeding populations. Remember that the Lord God of Israel visits the sins of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generations. I can’t imagine Lion wanting that.

        nebbish

        May 30, 2015 at 5:03 PM

      • Imagine a woman doing a sultry dance and sports a big unattractive nose at the cruise ship’s dance floor. Hint: Think yenta actress, Jennifer Grey from Dirty Dancing. Most discerning men would not be interested in watching.

        JS

        May 30, 2015 at 8:28 PM

      • Gaming is prole. A high value Lionite Man is introduced to high quality girls during his advanced graduate studies which will lead to non-prole profession and income.

        fakeemail

        May 31, 2015 at 12:26 PM

      • “Family vacations” are not a lot of fun for most men.

        Dunno what pipe you’re smoking. Taking my wife & kids places is basically the funnest thing in the world to me. I’m so glad summer is here!

        Samson J.

        May 31, 2015 at 12:59 PM

      • @TUJ
        I read a Jewish guy on Twitter who had no dating luck in HS/college but ended up doing EXACTLY as you said. His wife is hot and fits your description perfectly. He actually met her on match.com which seems cheesy but I guess it worked.

        ATC

        May 31, 2015 at 1:07 PM

      • Dunno what pipe you’re smoking. Taking my wife & kids places is basically the funnest thing in the world to me. I’m so glad summer is here!

        I was wondering how long it would take for the special snowflakes to chime in: “well, that doesn’t apply to meee!”

        ATC

        May 31, 2015 at 5:22 PM

      • @ TUJ –

        How exactly would one go about looking for half-Jewish girls? Do they congregate in places that purebred Jewish girls and non-Jewish girls don’t, or do they actually write that they are half-Jewish in their online dating profiles?

        nebbish

        May 31, 2015 at 6:02 PM

      • I read a Jewish guy on Twitter who had no dating luck in HS/college but ended up doing EXACTLY as you said. His wife is hot and fits your description perfectly. He actually met her on match.com which seems cheesy but I guess it worked.

        I’ve had half-Jewish girls hit on me when I wasn’t actively seeking them out and before either of us knew we were both halfies. I’ve also seen half-Jewish classmates end up dating other half-Jews, seemingly unwittingly.

        Now that I’ve come to conclude there could be synergistic advantages to combining Jewish and white gentile cognitive traits, my current plan is to eventually marry another half-Jewess.

        One question I have is would we still need to screen embryos for Jewish genetic diseases if our kids are second generation half-Jews?

        The Undiscovered Jew

        May 31, 2015 at 8:53 PM

      • @ TUJ –

        Yes, it would still be wise to screen for Jewish genetic diseases. The Jewish parent could have passed on one or more Jewish disease alleles to the half-Jewish offspring. On average in a large population of half-Jews of Ashkenazi descent, the frequency of any Jewish disease mutation should be roughly half of the frequency in a large population of purebred Ashkenazim. That’s still significant, and if you and a half-Jewish spouse were to share some of the same recessive Jewish disease alleles, there would be just as much risk of a child inheriting two copies of the alleles as there would be in a purebred Ashkenazi pairing.

        nebbish

        May 31, 2015 at 10:21 PM

      • @nebbish

        Your advice is noted.

        How exactly would one go about looking for half-Jewish girls? Do they congregate in places that purebred Jewish girls and non-Jewish girls don’t, or do they actually write that they are half-Jewish in their online dating profiles?

        Thanks to assortative mating with intelligent white gentiles you can find them anywhere there are intelligent, young (20 to early 30), white women. Especially if there’s a sizable Jewish population nearby; sometimes where there isn’t.

        They can be found at social events for young Jews because they often identify as Jewish. I don’t use online dating but I’d bet if you filtered results by religion you could find a number of Jewish profiles where the women also have some white gentile ancestry.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        June 1, 2015 at 11:04 PM

    • OMG….

      How sick…..how intriguing.

      sly chuckles

      lola

      May 31, 2015 at 8:06 PM

  9. An interesting movie from a prole/middleclass interaction perspective is Joe (1970).

    jef

    May 30, 2015 at 3:06 AM

    • I’ve never seen this movie, but heard that it was based on crude stereotypes. Conservatives alive at that time gave it a real thumbs down.

      Maryk

      May 30, 2015 at 9:33 AM

      • Joe is a good movie, worth viewing. I liked it a lot. The writers and director clearly intended to satirize and mock white proles but it had the unintended effect of bolstering them and their innate conservatism with Joe’ s – a true cinematic anti-hero – loathing of liberals, gays, blacks, druggies, peaceniks and hippies. Peter Boyle, who plays Joe, was a real lefty liberal and was apparently appalled when he viewed the movie in a theater surrounded by white proles. The proles were whooping and cheering Joe on. Boyle thought that he had created a monster.

        The movie has a lot of nice scenes of late 60s, pre diverse New York.

        The only bad thing about the move is that it co-starred the young Susan Sarandon playing a young runaway hippy. This was her first role. If she hadn’t got this role maybe she would have given up acting and America would have been spared this whiney and dreadful woman these past 45 years.

        Daniel

        May 30, 2015 at 5:22 PM

    • The Writer of “Joe” was Paul Schrader, the master of prole-centered movies. He did Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, Hardcore, Blue Collar, among others.

      fakeemail

      May 31, 2015 at 12:30 PM

  10. Europeans have similar problems. We must, under every circumstance prevent three types of people on vacation; Russians, Brits and people from your own country.

    Maciano

    May 30, 2015 at 3:47 AM

    • Very well put.

      Germans can be boorish abroad, but they try not to, just not with success. Russians and Arabs are gaudy and obnoxious intentionally. England is unique in the number of thuggish looking hooligan types it has and who enjoy travel.

      Sweet old prole Catholic ladies from Spain, Latin Merca, USA, and Ireland are all over Italy doing pilgrimages. Their churches have tours and handle all the planning.

      Lot

      May 30, 2015 at 2:08 PM

      • I like Brits in UK, but abroad they misbehave. I’ve seen them in Spain, Turkey, Eastern Europe, Thailand; they treat Amsterdam like it’s Las Vegas: coke, hookers, weed, getting drunk, loud wolfpacks,

        Russians take away whole buffet plates, shout at poor waiters, sink to the price-bargaining level of third world tourist shop sellers. Obnoxious & rude. The women always surpise me for their beauty.

        maciano

        May 31, 2015 at 2:21 AM

      • I don’t know if you’ve ever seen that “average face” graphic, but if it’s accurate, women from the area around Russia’s western border tend to be pretty attractive.

        J1

        May 31, 2015 at 4:21 PM

  11. A couple of years ago we visited Pigeon Forge, Tennessee (home of Dollywood, etc.) Prole heaven. It would make your cruise look like a transatlantic voyage on the Queen Mary.

    ice hole

    May 30, 2015 at 4:02 AM

    • Dollywood is easily the whitest theme park I’ve ever been to.

      Jodyneel

      May 30, 2015 at 5:00 PM

  12. You can avoid proles pretty easily. Do something that involves classical music or opera. You could spend a week at Tanglewood in the Berkshires.

    Also, assuming Bartusek and Glusac live in Nebraska and don’t pay the ridiculous housing costs that New Yorkers do, a $15,000.00 vacation is easily affordable on a $350,000.00 salary.

    Peter Akuleyev

    May 30, 2015 at 4:23 AM

    • Oh yeah I have relatives who do an annual Shakespere weekend camp in Canada. They spend very little on their vacations, I bet under $100 person a day.

      Lot

      May 30, 2015 at 2:10 PM

  13. I would think if the trip were paid for it would be disclosed in the article. The FT has articles about exotic trips that are sponsored by the tour companies and that’s disclosed.

    Dave Pinsen

    May 30, 2015 at 5:05 AM

  14. Last year The Wall Street Journal scrubbed a free-lance travel writer’s submissions from its website when it learned the free-lancer had accepted perks and discounts. “Such deals violate the Journal’s policy that forbids writers from accepting free goods or services or from taking discounts not available to the general public.”

    http://observer.com/2014/06/wsj-pulls-travel-stories-from-archives-because-freelancer-accepted-freebies/

    Mark Caplan

    May 30, 2015 at 8:03 AM

    • That’s hilarious. Of course they won’t have to actually write “must be independently wealthy” in their submission requirements.

      ivvenalis

      May 30, 2015 at 12:30 PM

  15. Once again, vacations have to do with personality. Back country hiking may seem like a rich mans pasttime but one will probably end up with real outdoorsmen and college students. Being able to handle the back country while carrying every thing on your back is something for the young.

    How many affluent people go to the same lake cabin or beach condo because they cannot deal with the unknown. How many proles can just get in the car and go because they like exploring. To imly that only the rich like to explore is wrong. Also, if one has kids and is rich you are still probably going to Disneyworld because trying to do too much if a four year old is no vacation

    superdestroyer

    May 30, 2015 at 8:17 AM

  16. If you know what you’re doing, you can sail around the world on your own boat. Definitely not prole.

    Raoul Duke

    May 30, 2015 at 8:58 AM

  17. Alaska is definitely an un prole place to cruise. Proles prefer the warm weather cruises.

    jack

    May 30, 2015 at 9:35 AM

  18. I would just avoid any cruise to the Caribbean, Mexico or even Bermuda. Also, avoid any “all-inclusive” resort in the Caribbean or Mexico. I’ve been to two “all-inclusive” resorts in Punta Cana. The first was actually mostly European (around 70%), with the remainder Canadians and Americans. The Europeans seemed to be more on the upper-middle class spectrum and were very pleasant. The Americans were mostly middle-middle class with very bad-prole tendencies (Proles can be super fun in certain settings but not on the beach drinking Bud). As an American, I was pretty embarrassed.

    The second all-inclusive resort was almost entirely American. Not too go into too much detail but it was pretty gross. The whole concept of this type of vacation is really indulgent and my wife and I vowed never to do it again. Plus, it gets really boring being confined to a resort for a week in a 3rd world country.

    I always loved vacationing in Maine, especially Bar Harbor. It’s a beautiful area, lots of good outdoor stuff and you can stay in a nice bed and breakfast. Very little proles too.

    JerseyGuy

    May 30, 2015 at 9:50 AM

    • Mexico City is the classiest part of Mexico to vacation. It is tropical but high up, so it is in the 60s most days, summer and winter. But if you want warmer, just drive down in any direction.

      There are also so many beach towns, you just have to avoid the large ones dominated by resorts.

      Lot

      May 30, 2015 at 2:16 PM

      • A lot of the Mexican elite go to San Miguel de Allende. A nice place with a sizable (10 percent) American and Canadian ex-pat community. Neal Cassidy lived there for awhile.

        Curle

        June 1, 2015 at 10:15 AM

    • Yep. Spent four days in Nassau, Bahamas with a former fiancee in the mid-80s. The hotel and grounds we stayed at were nice, but the native residents were extremely rude and surly. I thought we had a nice vacation, but the 5-year relationship ended a week after returning to the states. Didn’t see that one coming! Never went back and wouldn’t recommend it.

      E. Rekshun

      May 30, 2015 at 2:49 PM

    • I always loved vacationing in Maine, especially Bar Harbor.

      Yes, I’ve got some family that retired to the Old Orchard Beach area. I spend a few days up there every other summer. The ocean is chilly, but the scenery and lifestyle is wonderful.

      I spent three days in South Miami Beach recently (just prior to “Urban Beach” Weekend). I hadn’t been there since the mid-90s. Pretty costly and lively; congested and heavy traffic. Fun if you don’t have to drive anywhere. I did seem to notice a number of black lesbians.

      E. Rekshun

      May 30, 2015 at 2:58 PM

    • Getting drunk on vacation is not a sign of prole as much as just a personality type. How many rich American go to Europe to stay drunk all of the time. The same can be said of going to New Orleans or Las Vegas.

      If you really want prole try some place like Branson Missouri or Gatlinberg Tn.

      Here is a link to Gawker.com writers who went to Brancon Missouri http://gawker.com/my-failed-attempt-to-suck-the-walmart-flavored-blood-of-1642497737

      and Here is a link to an Economist writer who went to Gatlinberg Missouri. http://www.economist.com/node/10098973

      I liked the way the economist writer divided vacation spots in the U.S. between those that European may go to and those that only Americans visit.

      superdestroyer

      May 30, 2015 at 3:59 PM

      • I’ve never been to Branson, but about a year ago I encountered an entire busload of Canadian tourists (from Saskatchewan) on the drive home after a week-long organized trip to Branson, Missouri. They looked like very nice people who were having a very nice time.

        Sequim

        May 31, 2015 at 2:52 AM

      • Saskatoon and Regina are very nice cities in Saskatchewan. They are comparably similar with American cities like our decrepit Midwestern, Kansas City and St Louis based on global findings, which of course is kind of laughable.

        JS

        May 31, 2015 at 9:20 AM

      • You’ve got to see Gatlinburg to believe it; Times Square meets Deliverance. Sadly, it used to be a quaint (and beautiful) mountain town, but is now essentially a suburb of Knoxville (as is Pigeon Forge). It’s interesting and encouraging to see the Economist writer acknowledge that Dollywood, with its white, patriotic, conservative prole clientele, is also very welcoming to and popular with gay visitors.

        J1

        May 31, 2015 at 4:45 PM

      • You want the definite book on Branson, and other aspects of prole culture?

        “Red Lobster, White Trash and The Blue Lagoon” by Joe Queenan.

        You will not stop laughing.

        njguy73

        May 31, 2015 at 4:55 PM

      • JV.

        The only way to survive Gatlinburg and Pigeon Forge is to just embrace the cheesiness of it all. What is amazing is how over-the-top the commercialism is in Gatlinburg while Smoky Mountain National Park is about the least commercialized national park that I have been to compared to places like Yellowstone, Grand Teton, Rock Mountain, or even Carlsbad Caverns.

        What can ruin any vacation is to end up near people that are acting like jerks no matter their social class. There is nothing in social class that keeps some of them from being jerks.

        superdestroyer

        May 31, 2015 at 6:54 PM

    • Am I the only person besides you, who think that most Americans are ignorant, obnoxious, low class, self serving, money fussy, cretins on par with the poorer citizens of the 2nd and 3rd world? I can’t entirely lay the blame on them; our shallow culture esteems on the most simple tenets of capitalism, which is money, and the immediate outward status that comes with it.

      Not too long ago, I was at a gathering of academics who are mostly American and a few Europeans. Needless to say, American academics came across as arrogant, insecure, pushy and striving; just all around braggarts, who tell people how their teaching salaries were on the increase or how their journal submissions took their career to a new level. The Europeans were overall to be happy to come over and tell us about their studies and findings.

      JS

      May 31, 2015 at 9:11 AM

      • Your description is one reason I question whether ‘intellectuals’ count as Class X or simply represent people who would gladly embrace the upper lifestyle if they could. I suspect Fussell added that class because he knew he wasn’t an upper.

        Curle

        June 1, 2015 at 10:19 AM

      • It’s a combination of both, and with our money culture having its tentacles in every facet of American life, even those with Class X tendencies are money grubbers, and I would say this is true with many academics today. It’s quite obvious why this has become a gold standard. To date, there is no burgeoning American city with a reasonable cost of living index, where people can have access to culture and amenities without breaking the bank. You’re in one of these 3 scenarios, when it comes to being a tenant of Ameriprolestan: An expensive liberal center, boring prole wasteland, or a NAM ghetto.

        JS

        June 2, 2015 at 8:52 AM

    • As a “JerseyGuy” what are your impressions of the Avalon/Stone Harbor area of the south Jersey Shore? A lot of well-to-do people in my area go on vacation there. I’m a little hesitant to do a Jersey shore vacation. Is it prole or no prole?

      B.T.D.T.

      June 1, 2015 at 10:11 PM

      • I think that Cape May is the least prole beach area in New Jersey, but I’ve never been there.

      • Yes, it appears that the terminus, South NJ Shore, known as Cape May, is more like an Upstate New York town, with its quaint Victorian homes, theaters, fine restaurants and boutique shops, all under the helm of a more genteel and polite demographic, who aren’t beach bonkers. So yes, this area would be considered “SWPLfied”. However, its slightly northerly, yet prolier and feistier town known as Wildwood, which is 5 miles away, becomes a different world altogether. It has an array of pizza parlors, hot dog joints, amusement park amenities and rides, which of course, is a haven for those gaudy, oily and paunchy proles, better known as guidos, who line up its shorelines, similar to those in the vicinity of the NYC-metro area.

        JS

        June 1, 2015 at 11:56 PM

    • Please tell us more about the second.

      ScarletNumber

      June 2, 2015 at 9:46 AM

  19. Lion,
    I know that you’ve live-blogged Presidential debates in the past. I would love to read you while live-blogging during a cruise vacation with proles.

    JerseyGuy

    May 30, 2015 at 10:09 AM

    • The problem with that is that internet access on a cruise is really expensive, and I don’t have a rich spouse or rich parents.

      • “The problem with that is that internet access on a cruise is really expensive”

        incredibly. i learned that the hard way. bastards.

        rivelino

        June 2, 2015 at 5:38 PM

  20. I just never understood why anyone with half a brain would want to embark on a trip that involves a multi-day cruise, where you are stuck at a ship for a considerable amount of time, as if it’s almost a form of voluntary penal confinement.

    JS

    May 30, 2015 at 11:09 AM

    • I took a few 4-6 hour ferry boat rides and felt claustrophobic. A bunch of buffets full of delicious junk food sounds awful for my health.

      Lot

      May 30, 2015 at 2:18 PM

  21. I don’t know the destination(s) on the cruise you took, but the clientele on an Alaska cruise, even on the major lines, is completely different from that on a Caribbean cruise.

    J1

    May 30, 2015 at 11:20 AM

  22. You may want to try Big Sur in California. The drive is one of the most beautiful in the world. It is very isolated with the big towns on either end of a very long highway. Nothing to drag out hordes of commoners.

    Lots of natural beauty and trails to hike. There is a hotel that caters to the upper class and two or four hotels for the rest of us. Sprinkle in a couple of restaurants (each one with breath taking ocean views) and general stores and that’s it for hundreds of miles. The area is basically wilderness.

    In my three trips there I’ve met many French, German and Chinese tourists but only one American from Baltimore. I’m sure there were others but none that I met and talked with.

    ibejeph

    May 30, 2015 at 1:02 PM

  23. My family is prole as prole can get. But in my day to day life (I live thousands of miles away from all of my family members), everyone I interact with is as non-prole as can be (I work as a strategist for one of the largest companies on the planet). I have come to realize I don’t like either proles or non-proles, but at the end of the day, the guy signing my paycheck is a non-prole, so I will at least put up with him.

    I doubt they’ll let me do it, but I hope my gravestone will read “F*ck you all”.

    BS Inc.

    May 30, 2015 at 4:16 PM

  24. Sam Johnson observed being on a ship was like being in jail, with the added possibility of being drowned.

    jef

    May 30, 2015 at 4:21 PM

    • I’m surprised in all this of cruised, no one’s brought up the late David Foster Wallace’s essay on cruising.

      njguy73

      May 31, 2015 at 4:57 PM

  25. i absolutely hate cruise ships and see them as floating prisons. Worst of all is I once took a cruise ship from Galveston to the caribbean and it was full of proles

    krustyk91

    May 30, 2015 at 4:36 PM

  26. remember the mexican cruise i took.

    “There are some things that you see, and you can’t unsee them.” -Max California, 8MM

    rivelino

    May 30, 2015 at 5:51 PM

    • So what’s the problem?

      ScarletNumber

      June 2, 2015 at 9:43 AM

      • “So what’s the problem?”

        what’s the problem with fat people?

        rivelino

        June 2, 2015 at 5:40 PM

  27. Is that why I’m always catching people looking away from me when I’m out and about? They’re trying to avoid the proles!

    Dave

    May 30, 2015 at 10:29 PM

  28. If only humans were as socially intelligent as cats. Cat society is basically a libertarian paradise. Cats size each other up and can figure out which cat would win a fight almost immediately. As a result, cats hardly ever fight.

    BS Inc.

    May 30, 2015 at 11:31 PM

  29. when aussie proles go on vacation, they go to bali in indonesia. it’s inexpensive, third world and culturally distinct enough for them to feel worldly for going there. all they really do there is get drunk, go to waterparks, hang out on the beach, go to resorts and hang out with other prole aussies in nightclubs. they could do all of those things here if they wanted to, but the allure of appearing worldly and world-traveled has circulated down to the prole level. of course, proles don’t really care about other cultures (especially not indonesian culture, but frankly who does) and travel, but the same status indicators among swpls apply to them as well, just in a more attenuated form.

    james n.s.w

    May 31, 2015 at 3:01 PM

    • Bali has been a popular destination for more upscale American travelers for years, probably because of how far away it is and its perceived exoticism. I wonder how the upscale Americans and prole Aussies get along when they encounter each other.

      nebbish

      May 31, 2015 at 6:08 PM

      • Upscale Americans are proles, relatively comparing to the prolier citizens of other 1st world nations, who are of a similar social etiquette.

        JS

        May 31, 2015 at 11:25 PM

    • “especially not indonesian culture, but frankly who does”

      ha! good one

      rivelino

      June 2, 2015 at 5:40 PM

  30. Lion, you live in one of the top tourist attractions of the world – New York City.
    Fantastic history, top museums, architecture and culture.
    You should be able to do a prole free staycation right in the City.
    Millions of people come from all over the world to stay in NYC.
    No need to go anywhere. Find a friend to go explore Manhattan and the surrounding areas.
    Go where the foreign tourists go.
    You’ll learn something and have a great time.

    One of the ways that you might meet some new people is to join a local NYC walking tour.
    in some area of your interest.
    http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attractions-g60763-Activities-c42-t183-New_York_City_New_York.html

    Or, you could start taking Italian cooking classes – Great food, interesting people. All right in NYC.
    http://coursehorse.com/italian-cooking-classes-nyc

    I’ve done architecture tours in Chicago (by boat)
    My wife and I did a cooking & culture tour of Tuscany & Umbria.
    We’ve done walking tours of the British Museum and the Greenwich Observatory in London and others.
    The more cerebral, the fewer member of the proletariat.

    Since you’re in NYC, you’re already in one of the epicenters of Western culture.

    One last thing. You’re not married and have no kids,
    So, there’s never a need to travel on other people’s vacation schedule.
    Never travel when schools out, or in the Summer and you’ll avoid a large part of your ‘prole’ problem.
    Lastly, never go anywhere that offers free food or liquor.

    Bon Voyage!

    Nedd Ludd

    May 31, 2015 at 6:22 PM

    • indeed NYC is one of the epicenters of western culture.

      to be charitable i’ll assume you meant ground zeroes of cultural chernobyls.

      american = prole. secondarily anglo-saxon = prole.

      continental prole. it’s a contradiction in terms.

      selecao

      May 31, 2015 at 10:31 PM

      • And no surprise the Anglosphere always viewed China as a suspicious fraud. Someone who imitates you, you must find unnerving!

        JS

        June 1, 2015 at 12:55 PM

    • New Yorkers who’ve been living in the city for a considerable amount of time, are set in their own ways, and are usually not going to the places that attract tourists. Paying a visit to the great museums is a good thing, but they become old after awhile. The fact that this blog repeatedly mentions idiots like Bill de Blasio and his NAM minions who are killing each other and destroying the social fabric of White Americans here in NYC, gives us good reasons not to associate with the Big Apple anymore.

      What Lion really ought to do: Set an itinerary to savor all the best restaurants in NYC, as many as possible, before he leaves the city. Take an early semi-retirement in a college town, and enroll in an advanced degree program, and this should be in another western country (preferably in a non-Anglo-Prole-Sphere domain). Remember, America is a nation of proles, the same with the UK and much of Canada.

      JS

      May 31, 2015 at 11:11 PM

      • @JS, i don’t americans are more prole than australians. australia is the proliest of the proliest global cultural, the anglosphere.

        james n.s.w

        June 1, 2015 at 12:45 AM

      • So the question begs to be asked, can one safely assume that the Anglo tradition is prolier than anything low brow from Continental Europe?

        And James, I would have to agree. Spoken to a few Aussies from the past with intellectual leanings, and they tell me that Aussie culture emphasizes hooliganism. I think it’s a result of the Anglo prole culture situated in a warm clime that one finds in Ozzie and also South Africa.

        My Anglosphere rankings from the proliest to prolier:

        1) South Africa
        2) Australia
        3) UK
        4) United States
        5) Canada

        JS

        June 1, 2015 at 8:37 AM

      • and the Boers are prolier than the british za-ers.

        the american south and za have a black underclass in common.

        i wonder what JS thinks of Namibia. 100,000 whites and many still speak German.

        but, ceteris paribus, the proliness of proles is proportional to the rigidity of the class system. (and class system rigidity makes the upper class proles.) so the list should be:

        1. UK
        2. US
        3. ZA
        4. AU
        5. CA

        other former Roman European colonies like France and Spain…

        last is Scandinavia and some former Soviet Bloc countries.

        i used to think that in a country without a class sytem no one has any class. now i see that the opposite is the case. rigid class systems make even the upper class lower class.

        selecao

        June 1, 2015 at 5:55 PM

      • of course all else is never equal and france and spain’s proles aren’t very prole.

        the anglo-sphere combines:
        1. rigid class structure with high inequality in the US and UK,
        2. high inequality but soft class structure in Australia,
        3. and low inequality and neglible class structure in Canada.

        so far as class is mediated or reproduced by credentials…one reason for Canada’s and Scandinavia’s soft class structures is their educational systems’ non-reliance on cumulative objective exams. that is, their systems select for obedience and pushiness over intelligence. so it’s not all-good.

        the ideal system, of course, is one where people are selected for ability, but after selection they don’t act as if they’ve “earned it” or as if they’re human and the rest are animals.

        according to Krugman smart poor kids are less likely to graduate from collge than dumb rich kids. he referred to “measures of native ability”, but he gave no sources.

        selecao

        June 1, 2015 at 6:14 PM

      • of course all else is never equal and france and spain’s proles aren’t very prole.

        One who travels between the different Euro nations will notice the stark inferiority of the Kingdom of Anglo Proles, especially when that person has already stayed in the Latin Quarters of Spain, France and Italy. The food, the culture (or lack thereof), the people, the weather, anything you want to make a fuss about the Englishmen and their barbarian brethren, the Scots, the Welsh and the Irishmen, and their various 3rd world subjects, who are all the same under one roof, when riding that double decker in London, where proles are abound and the Anglo-Prole-Sphere is its fitting name.

        JS

        June 2, 2015 at 8:08 PM

    • I visited New York last year and was disappointed. It seemed sanitized and Disneyfied since my last trip in the early 80s. All the stand-by stores were there, REI etc., and very little seemed distinctive. BTW- I make this complaint about all major American cities, they seem to be losing any individuality whatsoever. Being surrounded by Eastern European and Chinese visitors didn’t make the experience any better. For my money, a vacation in South America or tour of historic Mexican cities is much preferable. Most of the theater is crap. I’ll admit the museums are nice but you can get that in LA (Getty).

      Curle

      June 1, 2015 at 10:28 AM

      • I think this is not uniquely American but rather is caused by mass media and the economies of scale of big corporations, causing places like Walmart and Starbucks to become ubiquitous.

    • “Lion, you live in one of the top tourist attractions of the world – New York City.
      Fantastic history, top museums, architecture and culture.
      You should be able to do a prole free staycation right in the City.”

      is the lion looking to take a cheap prole-free vacation?

      lion, come stay at my place in the center of madrid. we will drink sangria and talk to the pretty spanish girls.

      rivelino

      June 2, 2015 at 5:43 PM

  31. I think you often conflate prole and bourgeois. You will find very few “proles” on an Alaska cruise, a Med cruise, or even on some 7-day Caribbean cruises. Admittedly, Carnival does seem to cater to the prole crowd, and the 3- and 4-day cruises are apparently a sight to behold based on some of the Youtube videos that I’ve seen of fistfights around the hot tub (those girls can fight!).

    On the mega ships, people tend to congregate according to their tastes. The wine bar in the atrium with a cellist and violinist doesn’t really appeal to the prole crowd, for example.

    Someone mentioned Branson. My mother insisted we take her years ago. A neighbor told my brother, “Oh, you’ll love it. It’s just like Las Vegas without all the drinking and gambling and sex.” Replied my brother: “That’s what I was afraid of.”

    ColRebSez

    June 1, 2015 at 1:54 PM

    • You should read the article from Gawker about Branson. The writers enjoyed the trip much more than they expected. Of course, one has to just embrace the cheesiness of the entire experience. Is there really that much difference between Branson/Gatlinburg and Disney World?

      superdestroyer

      June 1, 2015 at 4:52 PM

    • The bourgeois are likely to visit these places on their own, and hop on a small ship, if they decide to venture out into the ocean. Cold weather is uninviting to most Meriproles (and especially NAMs), when it comes to any recreational activity. I find it interesting that people will low impulse control and poor future time orientation are not made out for the freezing temps, where it’s not conducive to stay outdoors.

      JS

      June 2, 2015 at 11:07 AM

  32. The inimitable Paul Fussell on cruises:

    “The middle is the class that makes cruise ships a profitable enterprise, for it fancies that the upper-middle class is to be mixed with on them, without realizing that that class is either peering at the minarets of Istanbul or hiding out in a valley in Nepal, or staying home in Old Lyme, Connecticut, playing backgammon and Town and Country. Tourism is popular with the middle class because it allows them to “buy the feeling,” as C. Wright Mills says, “if only for a short time, of higher status.” And as he points out, both cruise (or resort) staffs and their clientele cooperate in playing out the charade that really quite an upper-middle-class (or even upper-class) operation is going forward: lots of “served meals,” “white napery,” “sparkling wine,” mock caviar. If you’ll notice how often, in tourist advertising, the term luxury appears (as well as the word gourmet), you’ll see what I mean. For what the middle class most envies in the classes above is their trips abroad, more than their houses, cars, or other items of local conspicuous consumption.

    Class, p. 109

    Lion of the Judah-sphere

    June 8, 2015 at 9:23 PM


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