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Reno

Paul Fussell specifically mentioned Reno as a very prole city in his book, based on the large number of bowling alleys. Nothing much has changed in that regards, because Reno has a relatively new mega bowling complex. No, I have not visited the bowling complex and don’t intend to.

When I switched planes at the Minneapolis airport, I noticed a difference in how the people looked. The people on the plane were heavier and had more tattoos. The old guy sitting next to me was wearing a cowboy type of shirt, and an adjustable baseball cap (which Paul Fussell called a prole cap) and was reading some paperback Civil War novel. Not that he was in any way an unpleasant seat mate. He kindly advised me to set my watch to Reno time.

I see lots of tattoos in Reno, they are even more common here than they are in Williamsburg Brooklyn. Unlike in Williamsburg where people would only wear a legible t-shirt ironically, legible t-shirts are very popular in Reno and are worn without irony.

Some of my commenters have this thing about criticizing American women for being too heavy, but I have to confess that I sort of like the chunky blonde-haired prole women of Reno. They exude a sort of curvaceous sexiness and warmth that the skinny women of Manhattan lack. Unfortunately, heavier women don’t usually age as well as thinner women. I just wish they didn’t have so many tattoos.

Last evening I was at the Reno Rodeo, which is a very prole kind of entertainment. Certain SWPL types think that rodeos are cruel to the horses and steers and should be banned. Rodeos, at least, can be justified as continuing a long-time Western tradition, but there was no excuse for the motorcycle stunt act after the actual rodeo competition ended. I can’t think of anything more prole (or redneck as the rodeo announcers proudly self-identified) than men doing death-defying stunts on motorcycles. (On the other hand, it’s acceptable to SWPLs when men or women risk their lives to climb Mount Everest.) I have to admit there was some entertainment value in it, as I was thinking “wow, I can’t believe those guys are crazy enough to do that; is someone going to die in a horrible motorcycle accident?” Luckily, the only injury the whole night was one cowboy who hurt his arm falling from a horse.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

June 22, 2015 at 2:00 PM

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  1. Now don’t go and do nuthin’ like shootin’ a man just to watch him die…….

    Johnny Cash

    June 22, 2015 at 2:38 PM

  2. “They exude a sort of curvaceous sexiness and warmth that the skinny women of Manhattan lack.”

    Yes. 🙂

    “Unfortunately, heavier women don’t usually age as well as thinner women. I just wish they didn’t have so many tattoos.”

    For the record, that’s certainly not true in every case. But, to the extent that it is true, there’s a simple reason for that:

    This:

    Obesity and IQ | JayMan’s Blog

    + this:

    IQ and Death | JayMan’s Blog

    “Paul Fussell specifically mentioned Reno as a very prole city in his book, based on the large number of bowling alleys.”

    Here’s something interesting. Compare:

    vs this:

    JayMan

    June 22, 2015 at 2:40 PM

    • Wow oh wow I like da maps

      Lion of the Judah-sphere

      June 24, 2015 at 10:02 PM

  3. Chunky blonde-haired prole women can be attractive… up to a point! And a lot depends on the ratios. You can be a bit chunky but if you’ve sill got good hip/waist ratio, it can be kinda hot. But they often are disappointing once you get the clothes off, if you know what I mean.

    As for tattoos everywhere, they are the true sign of the Apocalypse.

    peterike

    June 22, 2015 at 2:57 PM

    • “chunky… with good hip/waist ratio”

      Think Nigella Lawson (upper class Brit chef) who is fat but exudes confidence and is sexy as hell.

      Roli

      June 23, 2015 at 12:05 AM

  4. Are you interviewing for a job at Tesla’s “gigafactory”?

    Elon Musk

    June 22, 2015 at 3:22 PM

  5. I’ve had two stints living in Reno. First, it doesn’t have a “large number of bowling alleys,” and never did (you can find more in Marin County). Instead, what it has is a large, luxury bowling complex designed for tournaments drawing out of state competitors, sort of a Pebble Beach of bowling. Nevadans generally are extremely live/let live on social issues, such as sex and abortion, so that right there negates a big plank of the Prole matrix. You never saw wild sex if you weren’t in the restaurant industry in Reno in the ’80s. Speaking of restaurants, be sure to try Louie’s Basque Corner. The steak house at Harrah’s is also excellent. Reni’s a big softball town. Justice Kagan would fit right in there. Incidentally, if you’re looking for a hooker forget it. Reno cops are assiduous about running them out of town. I’m td this goes back to the Air Force base in the ’40’s. Seems so many of the recruits got the clap that the local general got pissed off and made it his life’s work to eliminate pay for play.

    fleeing nams

    June 22, 2015 at 4:08 PM

    • Reno still seems pretty prole even if Paul Fussell cited it as prole for the wrong reason. Or maybe I’m misremembering the book.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      June 22, 2015 at 5:17 PM

    • it’s a university town ;).

      unlv gets all the press for its basketball team, but nevada’s “prestige” uni is unr.

      iirc it has a well respected geology department.

      i knew a guy at my one semester jesuit college from there. he was cool. he reminded me of the bully from The Chocolate War.

      there’s also Sierra Sciences, backed by Thiel.

      i’ve only been on a train stop. reno is very small.

      First Ypres

      June 22, 2015 at 6:30 PM

      • I am a graduate of said university, mainly because due to scholarships, it was free.

        Mining is very important to Nevada’s economy, so everything related to mining; geology, geological engineering, metallurgical engineering, hydrology, etc is pretty good there.

        I think the school suffered from being too much a “commuter” school as the community life there was lacking.

        STL

        June 22, 2015 at 7:10 PM

    • Yup…Reno is prole.

      B.T.D.T.

      June 22, 2015 at 7:06 PM

    • “You never saw wild sex if you weren’t in the restaurant industry in Reno in the ’80s.” ———————-

      Don’t stop there.

      Curle

      June 23, 2015 at 2:03 AM

  6. OT but Lion-related: (link below) women really really don’t like it when their new man tries to gain an edge in the dating scene by masquerading as childless, and then the truth comes out.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/life/dear_prudence/2015/06/dear_prudence_my_white_wife_won_t_let_us_use_a_black_sperm_donor.2.html

    Fiddlesticks

    June 22, 2015 at 4:14 PM

  7. I agree with you about women and tattoos. I wonder what happens when some of these high prole to middle class women get tatted up as young hipsters but eventually want to settle down as suburban moms. Maybe it doesn’t happen.

    RP

    June 22, 2015 at 4:28 PM

    • Like so many other class markers it really depends on the aesthetic of the tattoo itself. There are some, albeit few, upper class women who in their youth will get a discrete and tasteful tattoo on their shoulder or ankle. They can and will successfully transition into motherhood or trophywiferey.

      The high prole or middle class girls that get tramp-stamped or india inked on the wrists never fully recover. They succumb to profound prole drift. Even if they get married and have kids there is a high likelihood of residual drug use and or whoring which will cancel out any other chances of upward mobility. I occasionally run into some of these women that I knew in high school and they always end up the same…they have too many kids and not enough money. They are invariably married to a cuckolded prole.

      B.T.D.T.

      June 22, 2015 at 7:03 PM

      • is it beta or alpha for a man to have his wife’s tattoo on his neck / throat?

        GM

        June 22, 2015 at 10:16 PM

      • After the divorce, it’s widely considered omega.

        Glengarry

        June 24, 2015 at 9:26 AM

    • It can, but the pool of guys who’ll accept tats on a spouse is a lot smaller than they realize. A woman who wants a stable UMC lifestyle is taking a huge risk when she gets a tattoo. And if she gets divorced, she can pretty much forget about finding another husband at that socioeconomic level.

      J1

      June 23, 2015 at 12:34 PM

  8. Glad to hear that you took my advice and are seeing the country from the prole’s-eye view. You might consider gettting a camper van or pop-up trailer.

    Evel Knievel was of course the Godfather of Motorcycle Daredevils. Knievel was from Butte, Montana, and was über-prole.

    You could of course also get a Harley.

    ice hole

    June 22, 2015 at 4:29 PM

  9. L of the B; the Jane Goodall of Proles.

    Winston Smith

    June 22, 2015 at 4:43 PM

  10. I lived in northern Nevada for fifteen years until last year. I never was a big fan of Reno, but am grateful for the chance to live and work in one of the most beautful spots on earth. We were an hour from Lake Tahoe, Truckee and Markleeville CA, and 20 minutes from Carson City, an undiscovered gem.

    And I can tell you, from my involvement in politics there, that there were plenty of SWPL types (mostly from California and my NYC home town) who thought they were anointed to bring enlightenment to the local proles.

    sestamibi

    June 22, 2015 at 4:56 PM

  11. I went to a rodeo last summer and loved the crowd and spectators. They are proud Americans.

    jz

    June 22, 2015 at 5:23 PM

  12. I spent a lot of time Reno back in the day, working. I loved the weather, it was a perfect four seasons climate. Winters not terrible, summers hot but end in Sept. Air is dry, skiing nearby. I always preferred Reno to LV.

    It’s sad to hear about all the tatted proles and stupid entertainment there now. It was pretty classy back in the day.

    Mrs Stitch

    June 22, 2015 at 5:25 PM

  13. I see lots of tattoos in Reno

    A tattoo is permanent and irrefutable evidence that someone was once very drunk or very dumb. T-shirts and shorts are prole unless you’re at the beach, gardening, etc. Otherwise, the only place one should wear a t-shirt is under another shirt.

    I don’t mind baseball caps as long as they’re not dirty and worn out. But I agree they’re not very appropriate. The thing is, if you’re going to spend much time out in the summer you almost have to have some kind of hat. And there aren’t a lot of alternatives. Maybe a straw fedora or something. But then you’d be the guy who wears a straw fedora. Suggestions?

    destructure

    June 22, 2015 at 5:37 PM

    • my granddad wore a pith helmet, but i’d go with the panama.

      jfk was the first president who didn’t wear a hat. it used to be every man wore a hat. today a man in a hat (a real hat) is either:

      1. a chimo or some other sort of perv.
      2. a dinosaur, a throwback, or a gay fashionista.

      if the hat is well chosen and fits with the rest of the attire one can pass as a dinosaur.

      First Ypres

      June 22, 2015 at 6:41 PM

      • Every man didn’t just wear a hat. They also all dressed much more formally. Every man wore a suit all the time, or blue collar types would wear slacks and some sort of buttoned shirt and leather shoes. If you’re wearing a suit all the time and you want or need to wear a hat, you’re going to wear a fedora, because you can’t wear a baseball cap with a suit. Today, fewer people wear suits to work, and those that do don’t wear them when they’re not working. And wearing a fedora with casual clothes looks ridiculous.

        Bob

        June 22, 2015 at 9:06 PM

      • @ Ross

        Good analysis. I currently wear a straw “lifeguard” hat for sailing. Which is fine because I’m on the water not really public. But it’s too light and the broad brim wants to blow off. I might try a pith instead and a straw panama for public. Thanks.

        destructure

        June 22, 2015 at 11:59 PM

      • It’s an urban legend that sales of men’s hats plummeted after JFK went hates during his inauguration in January 1961. Not only did he wear the traditional top hat for most of the ceremonies, but hat sales already were in the midst of a long steady decline. Sales had peaked in 1938 and has fallen every single year since then.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        June 23, 2015 at 9:26 AM

    • Mate, just wear what makes you comfortable. What do you care what people think as long as it’s nothing slutty?

      Now, my religion doesn’t allow tattoos – it’s a Biblical prohibition – and I don’t have any. Shorts and t-shirts are not prohibited, but are not worn as immodest attire, but why a goy shouldn’t be comfortable? Now, I’m talking about men here, women shouldn’t be wearing shorts, this is self obvious.

      Lion, our religion doesn’t allow dangerous stunts or causing pain to animals, but goyim are allowed to do stuff like that within reason. I worked for a guy in IT who boasted about killing 500 groundhogs in single day! Now, this IS genocide! But rodeo or motorcycle is OK for them.

      Bowling looks pretty stupid, but it did work out nicely for me. I worked as an IT consultant for an Irish guy. So this guy and his second in command used to go bowling once or twice a week. They would leave work at about three and leave me in charge of system testing. They would stay in touch until they would be totally wasted and I would close the shop at about 12 after the test would fail and come home with $1,000 on those days. They got fired eventually, but I survived and got a raise. Yep, bowling can be fun.

      Yakov

      June 22, 2015 at 7:07 PM

      • @ Yakov

        I’m not so concerned with looking fashionable. But my awareness of such things is so low that; if I don’t put some conscious thought into what I wear, I really will look ridiculous. As for the tattoos, piercings, shorts, tanktops, etc. Those are completely unacceptable. They’re prole. But they also violate my personal values. I once wrote a blog post denouncing bikinis and encouraging men and women to wear swimshirts and board shorts instead. People don’t need to be showing their stuff.

        I’m okay with hunting for food, to keep populations in check or to control pests. Provided people make an effort to trap or shoot them humanely. By which I mean sufficient caliber at a reasonable range. 500 groundhogs sounds like a lot though. I’m not sure how I feel about that.

        destructure

        June 23, 2015 at 1:54 AM

      • Very interesting, but your blog is private so I can’t read it (I’m assuming that’s were you wrote it).

        Now, I understand that tattoo is forbidden as an idolatrous practice by the Divine Law, but I don’t understand the, ‘prole’ argument.

        I only swim on separate male beaches or during separate men hours in the pool, but when I do, I wear Olympic style swim suit, not bermudas that restrict movement. Men should only swim with their wives, but again, these are religious regulations. What’s the basis of your moral argument?

        That guy was shooting the groundhogs because he enjoyed killing the defenseless little things, not because he was hungry. He was paying me royaly, but I really wanted to give I’m a good beating for all those animals.

        Yakov

        June 23, 2015 at 7:37 AM

      • “Mate, just wear what makes you comfortable. What do you care what people think as long as it’s nothing slutty?

        Now, my religion doesn’t allow tattoos – it’s a Biblical prohibition”

        I find it surprising that your religion goes to the trouble of prohibiting something, yet you have no curiosity as to why this might be the case, or what the creators of this prohibition were thinking. In fact you are so incurious that you even advise people not within your religion to disobey the tenants of your religion. It’s as if you believe that the laws of your faith were simply selected at random, and the only point is to follow the rules regardless of what they are. The actual rules themselves don’t matter and don’t mean anything.

        You must be a remarkably shallow thinker. And your faith-hobby just seems like the most monumental waste of time ever.

        prolier than thou

        June 23, 2015 at 5:26 PM

      • It is believed that tattoos were popular among polytheistic religions of that time and place, so Jews banned them in order to show they were not polytheist idol worshippers.

      • @ provider than thou

        I wrote that it’s forbidden as an idolatrous custom, pay attention and before you jump to insults. It’s not the only reason, though. And whereas the Gentiles are only forbidden idolatrous tattoos, we are forbidden any tattoo whatsoever.

        Yakov

        June 24, 2015 at 12:20 AM

    • Is a baseball cap with the name and insignia of a Central Coast winery known for its chardonnay and pinot noir considered a “prole”?

      Sgt. Joe Friday

      June 22, 2015 at 9:16 PM

  14. My daughter was invited to a bday party at the bowling alley on Hylan Blvd this week. Aren’t there some hipster bowling alleys scattered in brooklyn and manhattan? “Before I Disappear” films a scene in one.

    slithy toves

    June 22, 2015 at 5:44 PM

    • No hipsters on Hylan Blvd. Just guidos.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      June 22, 2015 at 6:28 PM

      • What are the chances that we’ll ever see an LOTB post about Staten Island that DOESN’T mention guidos? I challenge Lion to show us he’s capable of this!

        Maryk

        June 22, 2015 at 7:05 PM

      • Did I mention guidos when I wrote about Whit Stillman’s movie that was filmed in Staten Island?

        I probably said that it showed that Staten Island could be a nice place if not for all the guidos.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        June 22, 2015 at 7:07 PM

      • I have gay guys and architects on my street. Go figure. Hey lion how’s the food in reno?

        slithy toves

        June 22, 2015 at 8:26 PM

      • I had some decent barbeque at a street festival.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        June 23, 2015 at 3:00 AM

    • bowling?

      bowls, bocce, ten pin, irish road bowling, etc?

      there’s nothing inherently prole about bowling.

      fischer lamented that rejkjavik had no bowling alleys.

      First Ypres

      June 22, 2015 at 6:46 PM

      • Bowling was bobby’s sole athletic endeavor. He was showing off to the soviets with the push ups, swimming laps etc..

        slithy toves

        June 22, 2015 at 8:28 PM

  15. Here some advice for your trip.

    1. Definitely drive up to Lake Tahoe and circle the entire lake. Lots of picture taking opportunities. Especially Emerald Bay. You can go on boat rides or rent a jet ski and other activities up at the Lake. There is a public beach on the Nevada side called Sand Harbor you can go to, but be aware that sometimes parking is an issue (going earlier in the day helps to find a spot). There are some other beaches on the California side.

    2. Drive up Geiger Grade to Virginia City. It is a steep and winding mountain road you may enjoy driving on if you have an appropriate vehicle. You will be able to take a picture of the valley from an overlook about halfway up. Virginia city is kind of a tourist trap, but you should see it once. There is a short train ride (a real steam locomotive) you can take up there.

    3. You might want to see an area called Washoe Valley between Reno and Carson City. There is the main highway (I-395) and side roads on both the east and west sides of the valley. There might be some more photographic opportunities for you from either side road. It’s a rural area with cattle ranches and some expensive houses on the western slope.

    4. There’s also a place called Pyramid Lake if you want more of a desert landscape to take pictures. It’s a drive north of Reno.

    I myself didn’t like living in Carson City/Reno because of the proleness, but mainly because I studied engineering and there just isn’t much there for job opportunities for that field. I visit at least once a year since my parents still live there and they are retired.

    FYI, keep your eyes on the road and not your phone when you are driving on the mountain roads!

    STL

    June 22, 2015 at 6:58 PM

    • Already did #2 and #3. Planning on #1. Thanks for the tips.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      June 22, 2015 at 7:06 PM

    • Pyramid Lake rather disappointing. Go south instead. Once you complete #3 down to Carson City, continue on US 395 south to Minden/Gardnerville. Note that Carson City is in the Eagle Valley and south of the WalMart on the south end of town begins the Carson Valley (yes, it’s quite confusing). And don’t leave the area without checking out JT’s Basque Bar & Restaurant in Gardnerville!

      sestamibi

      June 26, 2015 at 2:54 PM

  16. The entire American southwest is prole. As Fussell pointed out the only places with any real class in the entire United States are in New England, NYC, Pennsylvania and Virginia.

    Two possible exceptions are Grosse Pointe Michigan and San Francisco. Chicago is prole. So is Portland although the trash there is of the liberal, Marxist persuasion instead of the typical reactionary redneck.

    B.T.D.T.

    June 22, 2015 at 7:12 PM

    • You ever read Albion’s Seed by David Hackett Fischer? It’s about how four rival groups from England created the American character. Three of them (Puritan, Cavalier, Quaker) created the culture of the only places with class per Fussell, while the fourth group (Scotch-Irish) created prole culture.

      njguy73

      June 22, 2015 at 7:49 PM

      • I have not read Albion’s Seed but I have read American Nations by Colin Woodard which came out a few years ago. It is the same premise but he expands it to eleven cultural regions. It’s a great book although his left-wing bias ruins it toward the end. I am looking forward to reading Albion.

        B.T.D.T.

        June 22, 2015 at 9:13 PM

    • Funny you should mention Grosse Pointe. Reflecting today on the question raised in recent comments of whether the forbidden knowledge one finds on blogs like this one and Sailer’s should remain so, I recalled the recent slaying of a 16-year-old GP girl in what Detroit police speculated to be a “robbery gone bad” just three blocks into town. The proximity to Detroit makes some version of Derbyshire’s infamous talk especially important there.

      Genserico

      June 22, 2015 at 8:50 PM

  17. I was flying from back east to Reno via Salt Lake City. I too noticed a huge difference in the look of people traveling to Salt Lake City as opposed to Reno when I boarded my connecting flight. Exactly like LoB said, except this was 10 years ago.

    STL

    June 22, 2015 at 7:24 PM

  18. was reading some paperback Civil War novel

    Do you agree that reading historical fiction is prole? Or does the topic make it prole?

    markus

    June 22, 2015 at 8:08 PM

    • Showing any interest in military history other than the “progressive” aspects of WWII and the Vietnam war is probably verging on prole these days. Or at least the elites want you to think that way.

      Peter Akuleyev

      June 23, 2015 at 4:31 AM

    • This caught my eye too. I would be nice to hear the report on Lion’s conversation with his seat mate and see if proleness was confirmed.

      Lion of the Turambar

      June 23, 2015 at 10:41 AM

    • I find the seatmates who watch popular adventure movies on their table computer are more prole that those who read. That the person was actually reading a physical book indicates older than average. Considering that most people do not read any fiction these days, a person reading shows some level of education and class versus the people who never read anything.

      superdestroyer

      June 23, 2015 at 11:54 AM

    • Thats what I was thinking. What was middle brow two generations ago must make the guy in the upper 10% of the general population now. Can it still be properly referenced as prole.

      Lion of the Turambar

      June 23, 2015 at 2:30 PM

  19. I’m really looking forward to your travelog/class book. I’d pay $2.99 for that e-book.

    aki (@DSGNTD_PLYR)

    June 22, 2015 at 8:19 PM

  20. Had to attend a conference in Las Vegas a few years back. Had never really wanted to go, never understood what people found do attractive about the place and once I saw it found it to be crap. Odd, Vegas markets itself as a destination for glamorous high rollers, but I found it was full of over weight mid-westerners. But I have to admit, the air there had this weird electric energy.

    Roli

    June 23, 2015 at 12:20 AM

    • Real high rollers would be in Monte Carlo.

      njguy73

      June 25, 2015 at 9:53 PM

  21. I’m glad to see you get out of status-ville, if even temporarily, but I can’t help but wonder why you chose Reno over other options?

    BTW – went to the US Open this weekend. It was much more prolish an event than I expected. The spectators weren’t high class at all. Lots of fat golfing guys slurping beers and acting like frat bros. I’m told a bunch of these bozos flew in for the match on private planes. If so, our upper classes are declining like the rest of us.

    Curle

    June 23, 2015 at 1:59 AM

    • Where were the bozos sitting?

      njguy73

      June 25, 2015 at 9:58 PM

  22. Lion,
    I haven’t been reading your blog for a while (holidays! I could brag… 😉 ).
    So I was surprised to read about you quitting your job. I’m really sorry to hear about the circumstances that lead to your resignation. I guess, despite your inherent dislikeability, you turned out to be one of the bloggers I like.

    First, on the job front. Likeability is more important than competence. Google it, read books if you need to.
    For someone who knows all the rules, it’s sad that you can’t play the game.
    Of course, I have no doubt you’ll do well enough career-wise.

    Enjoy your break. Post more 😉
    Also, more photos please. I really appreciated your Williamsburg photo. I thought the women were shapely and cute.
    I’m with you that sometimes chubby-blonde can be attractive. But with age, in-shapeness matters more. Plus, looking slim and “toned” (read: like someone who exercises) signals status for women.

    Don’t let unemployment send you sliding into bitterness 😉

    1%erbrowngirl

    June 23, 2015 at 2:43 AM

  23. @B.T.D.T. – I don’t think you are correct about shorts and t-shirts. New England preps live in boat shoes, khaki shorts and well worn t-shirts and polos throughout the summer. Often with a baseball cap. There is a prole version of this uniform but it’s easy to tell apart.

    RP

    June 23, 2015 at 7:20 AM

  24. “I was thinking “wow, I can’t believe those guys are crazy enough to do that”

    Motorcycle stunts at the rodeo are like a chess tournament compared to the air races. There are other venues that have air “races”, in which a single plane goes through a course trying to attain the best time, but AFAIK, Reno is the only place where they have airplanes actually in the air at the same time on the same course racing each other; it’s lunacy you have to see to believe. If it helps, the participants in that activity are definitely not “prole”.

    J1

    June 23, 2015 at 1:05 PM

  25. If you like sexy, chunky women, check out Reginald Marsh’s paintings.

    jef

    June 24, 2015 at 7:47 AM

  26. Reno isn’t so bad, you have Lake Tahoe nearby. Very wealthy people stay around there, and Tesla is located close by.

    Lion of the Judah-sphere

    June 24, 2015 at 10:05 PM

  27. OMG You like chunky blonde white women? You’ve heard of the porn star Samantha 38G?

    Lion of the Judah-sphere

    June 24, 2015 at 10:06 PM


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