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Sandra Bland arrest video

I finally watched the Sandra Bland arrest video. The traffic stop was going well initially, but when the cop goes back to his car to do cop stuff, Bland has time to develop a big black chip on her shoulder and when the cop comes back she is an Angry Black Woman, and is doing everything that Dale Carson would have told her not to do.

If she had read Dale Carson’s book Arrest-Proof Yourself, this wouldn’t have happened. Yes it was a traffic stop in which the cop goaded her into making a driving mistake by tailgating her, but that happened to me once in Arizona and I am a white person. And yes, changing lanes without signalling isn’t even a ticketable offense in many states. But had she just followed Dale Carson’s advice, all she would have had was a minor traffic ticket.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

July 27, 2015 at 7:23 AM

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  1. If you’ve ever been at a high school with unruly, trouble-making students, you recognize the behavior of Sandra Bland.

    The delinquent always pushes things as far as he can. What he and his ilk try to do is create contempt for the authority figure, as the first step towards the breakdown of order.

    Incivility towards the police is the first step towards savagery and anarchy.

    Hepp

    July 27, 2015 at 7:33 AM

    • Or I would say, good luck assimilating a large contingent of NAMs in this country, or as in any Western country.

      JS

      July 27, 2015 at 10:33 AM

    • My old high school has gotten like this. Since the 90’s it has gotten progressively more NAM. The graduation ceremonies each year descend more and more into chaos. The blacks hoop and holler after every name is called. They now scream, shot and cry as their kids walk across the stage. They have no self control and no respect. It’s really sad. They have completely ruined the place.

      B.T.D.T.

      July 27, 2015 at 2:11 PM

      • NYC is seemingly regressing to its glory old self, when NAMs populated much of Manhattan and the city in general. The only difference is that they are not as outwardly violent. It could be due to technology. Furthermore, the average White person is a zombie, without any feelings of self consciousness. I’m thinking that quite a number of NAMs are able to believe that White corpses are walking among them. No need to assault them, they are already lifeless.

        JS

        July 27, 2015 at 6:25 PM

  2. Further proof that “The Talk” is a myth. Time and time again we see police video showing that nothing about the talk is ever adhered to. When my kids started driving, I gave them the talk on how to behave around police, but it seems that knowledge is wrapped in the secrecy of white privilege.

    Mike Street Station

    July 27, 2015 at 8:24 AM

    • If your talk was do whatever they say, it represents a serious problem. If your talk was essentially be calm and polite, that does not work. If you try to politely stand on your rights, you will still be subjected to unconstitutional searches and seizures, games designed to trip you up, etc.

      swank

      July 27, 2015 at 12:06 PM

      • She should have put out the cigarette. She shouldn’t have been smoking it in that situation anyway.

      • Why in the world would you think “being come and polite, that does not work?”

        Mike Street Station

        July 27, 2015 at 12:29 PM

      • Why in the world would you think “being come and polite, that does not work?”

        swank

        July 27, 2015 at 1:31 PM

      • The police officer is being an asshole to a white guy in that video, demonstrating that they don’t just pick on black people.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 27, 2015 at 1:41 PM

      • The police officer is being an asshole to a white guy in that video, demonstrating that they don’t just pick on black people.

        I never argued that they did.

        swank

        July 27, 2015 at 1:46 PM

      • Here’s a tidbit of info for anyone who doesn’t know, and this is the only info they need to know, regarding our paid gun totters:

        Meriprolestan’s LEOs and Soldiers are predominantly White proles, who are there to protect the black underclass.

        Yes, most of these proles are stupid and have lower IQs.

        JS

        July 27, 2015 at 3:05 PM

      • “The police officer is being an asshole to a white guy in that video, demonstrating that they don’t just pick on black people.”

        Also notice the driver is calm and polite even though he doesn’t like it. Now compare that to the way Sandra Bland responded i.e. angry, argumentative, etc. People who come from populations with a long history of civilization tend to be more cooperative and less aggressive with lower violent crime rates.

        http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/8362/20140802/lower-testosterone-levels-helped-develop-civilization.htm

        destructure

        July 27, 2015 at 3:28 PM

      • Also notice the driver is calm and polite even though he doesn’t like it.

        And notice how the police violate his constitutional rights anyway.

        swank

        July 27, 2015 at 3:55 PM

      • But he keeps his cool, while the uppity black woman gets arrested.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 27, 2015 at 3:59 PM

      • Yes. More people should develop herculean patience and stoicism so that when they deal with the police their constitutional rights will nevertheless be violated. Such a reward for the effort…

        swank

        July 27, 2015 at 4:07 PM

      • I don’t think it requires “herculean patience” for someone to shut their pie hole for the 5 minutes it takes to get a ticket. I do, however, think it takes herculean patience for police to deal with people like her all day. That’s why it’s awesome when someone crosses the line and gets face planted. 🙂

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkTb9GP9lVI

        destructure

        July 27, 2015 at 8:01 PM

      • well we already knew you were a sadist.

        swank

        July 28, 2015 at 2:38 AM

      • That’s your example? He immediately refused to roll down the window and question why he had to answer questions. Good grief, some people are just bad at life and will consistently make bad decisions, so continue to turn a 30 second checkpoint stop into an arrest if not rolling down the window is really that important to you.

        Mike Street Station

        July 28, 2015 at 8:25 AM

      • He immediately refused to roll down the window and question why he had to answer questions.

        he didn’t have to. so it seems like your talk is more the “do whatever they say” brand of “politeness.”
        FYI, when you refuse to roll down your window all the way, a lot of times police will break it.

        but hey, who cares about living in a free society?! that minority got theirs!

        swank

        July 28, 2015 at 4:03 PM

      • A sadist is someone who enjoys inflicting pain or seeing other people hurt. I like seeing punks get arrested for mouthing off at cops. Because people who mouth off at cops are the same people who try to bully and push others around.

        destructure

        July 28, 2015 at 4:31 PM

  3. Fortunately we have 94% white Slate magazine to file a steady stream of articles decrying this injustice.

    Fiddlesticks

    July 27, 2015 at 9:42 AM

  4. OT: former acting CIA director John McLaughlin (Bush 43) who in 2006 made decent predictions of Iraq’s current chaos, is extensively quoted in this piece, offering good historical perspective on how ISIS could play out.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/22/world/middleeast/isis-transforming-into-functioning-state-that-uses-terror-as-tool.html?_r=0

    Fiddlesticks

    July 27, 2015 at 10:16 AM

    • Smart guy – had him as a professor.

      uatu

      July 27, 2015 at 11:27 AM

  5. The cop asked her if she is irritated. Obviously anyone who is getting a ticket for minor violation is irritated. His question was intended to escalate the situation. He then requested her to put out her cigarette. She said no as its her right to. That request was also intended to escalate the situation. He then asked her to get out of her car. He did this to retaliate against her for not being subservient.

    Perhaps the “smart” thing to do is give any cop encounter the answers he wants and be deferential (become totally subservient). But then are we truly living in a free society?

    She obviously gives off the vibe of an angry black woman with a chip on her shoulder. But cops are professionals and need to behave professionally. They need to be aware that the people deal with may be irritated, scared, or arrogant. That doesn’t give them the right to administer a beat down.

    Jimi

    July 27, 2015 at 11:02 AM

    • I agree that the cop took advantage of her bad behavior to escalate the situation, and this is exactly what cops do, as described in Dale Carson’s book, because they are looking to arrest people. Indeed the smart thing to do is to not get arrested because you want to show the cop that your penis is bigger than his. If you’re a white person who gets arrested, no one will give two cents about you, and you will permanently have an arrest record that will prevent you from getting jobs.

      • Why do cops do this? Is there a financial incentive or just an emotional one?

        Lloyd Llewellyn

        July 27, 2015 at 11:34 AM

      • Do you think if she was a 20-something year old angry white woman he would have behaved the same way?

        Jimi

        July 27, 2015 at 11:55 AM

      • Yes, redneck white women behaving poorly also get the same behavior from cops.

      • Jimi, yes. I drove a black TransAm with t-tops when I was 19. Cops pulled me over for bogus reasons and acted like this bully a dozen times, and I was a physics major, living in an upper middle suburb in NJ (father was an MD). I just let them peacock and then went on my way when it was over. I would never have lit a cigarette. As a matter of fact, I distincly recall having a dip of Skoal between my cheek and gum once when the red and blue lights went on behind me, and I spit it out before the cop got to my car. Common sense.
        Bully cop, woman without self control.

        Copperhead Joe

        July 27, 2015 at 2:48 PM

      • I side with Sandra Bland. The cop is the star of the show in this situation. Everything she does or says is a reaction to the cop’s intentional provocations. She wasn’t even really that rude to him after he remarked that she seemed irritated. He didn’t just take advantage of her behavior, he deliberately triggered it the entire time.

        Half the cops are major pricks, and they’re out of control. It’s just a fact, but we don’t want to deal with it. And it reeks of denial when we blame the victim for being stupid enough to take the cop’s bait.

        Stealth

        July 27, 2015 at 11:20 PM

    • The cop asked her if she is irritated. Obviously anyone who is getting a ticket for minor violation is irritated. His question was intended to escalate the situation.

      I was gonna point out the same thing. Obviously, anyone who is getting ticketed should try to be respectful, but cops shouldn’t try to provoke anyone either.

      Lion of the Judah-sphere

      July 27, 2015 at 11:54 AM

    • But then are we truly living in a free society?

      Exactly right. The individual with heightened responsibility and civic duty is the police officer.

      Lion is right too that no one cares about whites who are treated unfairly by police. But that is because the media has made it a racial issue. A huge cross-section of whites are turned off by all things racial: read, the CSA. Even though they are most likely among whites to suffer these abuses by police, the fact that any change may mean minorities receive better treatment turns them off and so, they do not advocate for those changes.

      It has nothing to do with “showing a cop that your penis is bigger,” though. It’s about how an individual ought to be treated by those sworn to uphold the law and protect citizens.

      swank

      July 27, 2015 at 1:40 PM

      • I don’t disagree that there are a large minority of cops who are assholes, and the cop who pulled over Bland was in that category. But this is not something anyone has noticed besides Dale Carson. The MSM only has a problem with this when there’s a racial angle. The SMART thing to do is to let the cop know his penis is ten times bigger than yours. Most whites do this automatically, but blacks have a big chip on their shoulder and far more frequently turn a stop into an arrest because they can’t act polite and defer to the cop.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 27, 2015 at 1:44 PM

      • But this is not something anyone has noticed besides Dale Carson.

        Lawyers, civil rights activists, politicians etc. all have noticed.

        the MSM sucks; we all know this. It isn’t news.

        The SMART thing to do is to let the cop know his penis is ten times bigger than yours.

        What is smart and what is noble can be two different things.
        Doing the “smart” thing seems to have resulted in the ridiculous WHITE incarceration rate of over 400 per 100k. Doing the “smart” thing seems to have deprived all citizens but more specifically LOW CLASS citizens of what little rights they had.

        blacks have a big chip on their shoulder

        How could any black not?
        Every black to me is like a short guy. Except 10x worse. Everyone objectively treats them like shit or ignores them and then when they respond in kind, everyone acts as though it’s a pathology of one sort or another.

        swank

        July 27, 2015 at 2:02 PM

      • Heya swanky:

        “Doing the ‘smart’ thing seems to have deprived all citizens but more specifically LOW CLASS citizens of what little rights they had.”

        What does this even mean? What “rights” am I deprived of if I act respectfully, even deferentially, to a police officer? Please be specific.

        “Every black to me is like a short guy. Except 10x worse. Everyone objectively treats them like shit or ignores them and then when they respond in kind, everyone acts as though it’s a pathology of one sort or another.”

        Holy smokes. What country do you live in? Blacks are treated like precious gold by the entertainment industry (which includes most of the “news”), which is overflowing with positive images of blacks, to say nothing of black-white inter-racial couples. Schools bend over backwards to boost black “self-esteem” (which, as it happens, is tremendously high anyway), very often specifically at the expense of whites. Corporations compete furiously with one another to hire decently talented blacks, when they can find them. The number of government programs at all levels designed to aid blacks in every single aspect of their lives is almost uncountable. Is that what you call being treated “like shit”? Well in that case, I want some.

        And on the street most whites treat blacks with great deference, because they know exactly what will happen to them if they don’t.

        And who, exactly, “ignores” blacks? I see their overblown, paranoid concerns aired out absolutely everywhere, all the time, relentlessly. Good god I wish we could ignore blacks just for a week! What a relief it would be.

        peterike

        July 27, 2015 at 5:03 PM

      • What does this even mean? What “rights” am I deprived of if I act respectfully, even deferentially, to a police officer? Please be specific.

        Watch the above video and you will see.

        Blacks are treated like precious gold

        The exact opposite of reality.

        And who, exactly, “ignores” blacks?

        Everyone who is not black. And many blacks.

        swank

        July 27, 2015 at 6:21 PM

      • Every black to me is like a short guy. Except 10x worse. Everyone objectively treats them like shit or ignores them and then when they respond in kind,

        They’re arrested frequently because they’re genetically too stupid to function in Western nations. Or, indeed, most non-African third world nations.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        July 27, 2015 at 7:10 PM

      • They’re arrested frequently because they’re genetically too stupid to function in Western nations

        That’s a hypothesis. Let me know when you have actual evidence for it.

        swank

        July 27, 2015 at 7:31 PM

      • Evidence would be everything written by Arthur Jensen, Charles Murray, HJ Eysenck, arrest statistics, etc.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 27, 2015 at 9:51 PM

      • Let me know when you have actual evidence for it.

        It’s as good as the evidence for height varying across races, which you’ve already admitted is true.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        July 27, 2015 at 10:38 PM

      • the opposite of what happened, as usual.

        swank

        July 28, 2015 at 2:23 AM

      • Here’s what I don’t get about liberals: they see that cops aren’t always paragons of justice acting with Olympian detachment, and, at the same time, they want cops to be the only ones with guns. That just makes no sense to me. If you think the average, law-abiding, trained citizen shouldn’t have the right to bear arms, why do you think a cop should? Nothing magical happens after they get out of the police academy and put on their badges. Cops are the same imperfect humans they were when they were drinking beer and getting into fights as teens.

        I think part of the problem is that cops are young, because of the physical nature of the job, but a restrained temperament is something that usually comes with age. Maybe have them work in pairs: a 50 year old guy with a gun, and a 25 year old guy with a nightstick. 50 year old does the talking, 25 year old gives the wooden shampoos when talking doesn’t work.

        Dave Pinsen

        July 28, 2015 at 6:19 AM

      • The last thing we want is to encourage people to have guns to protect themselves from cops. Use some common sense. We are not talking about Benjamin Franklin with a gun, we are talking about Jamal from the ghetto with a gun.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 28, 2015 at 7:57 AM

      • Corporations compete furiously with one another to hire decently talented blacks, when they can find them.

        Hardly. In over 20 years in the business world, out of the thousands of people I have worked with, I can count two black colleagues, one of which had a white German mother, and one black admin, who was fired almost immediately for incompetence. No one really wants blacks outside of a few NGOs, law firms and maybe some marketing agencies run by lefty types. In fact, a general rule of life in America is that if a normal black person is a candidate for the job you are trying to get, that job is probably a prole job.

        Peter Akuleyev

        July 28, 2015 at 11:23 AM

      • Jamal from the ghetto already has a gun. And the point isn’t for law abiding citizens to protect themselves from cops, but to lessen the need for aggressive cops in the first place by reducing crime (see John Lott’s “More Guns, Less Crime”).

        Dave Pinsen

        July 28, 2015 at 11:50 AM

      • Liberals want the police to have far fewer guns. Most liberals advocating gun control want a country where police making routine traffic stops aren’t armed.

        Lloyd Llewellyn

        July 28, 2015 at 8:15 PM

      • No one really wants blacks outside of a few NGOs, law firms and maybe some marketing agencies run by lefty types. In fact, a general rule of life in America is that if a normal black person is a candidate for the job you are trying to get, that job is probably a prole job.

        Peter – Yes, or more specifically, a corporate retail or government job, where blacks are overrepresented to the T.

        JS

        July 28, 2015 at 9:36 PM

      • But blacks already receive better treatment than whites as evidenced by the fact that the media highlights white cop v. black criminal situations and always takes the side of the blacks. I think most whites who are not criminals sympathize with the cops as they know the media and blacks are anti-cop and are out to harass them.

        Bernie

        July 29, 2015 at 11:39 AM


      • But blacks already receive better treatment than whites

        And I’m proud to be an American where at least I know I’m free.
        And I won’t forget the men who died, who gave that right to me.
        And I’d gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today.
        ‘Cause there ain’t no doubt I love this land God bless the U.S.A.

        swank

        July 29, 2015 at 4:35 PM

      • but ah, it must be that he was black, right?

        and this cop was CLEARED of all wrongdoing. this kid was white.
        lion is right in that there was almost no media coverage of it; but i am right in that it’s not “just the blacks.”

        swank

        July 31, 2015 at 7:50 PM

    • @Jimi: The cop asked her if she is irritated…His question was intended to escalate the situation.

      Yes. The cop returned to Bland’s car and probably didn’t like the sour puss face on Bland; and so the question was intended to goad a reaction out of Bland. (Not having read Dale Carson) Bland reacted exactly the way the cop wanted and expected her to. The cop’s question was the trigger point.

      The whole incident would have been avoided absent the cop’s unnecessary question (or, alternatively, absent Bland’s childish over-reaction). Nonetheless, the cop is the trained, well-paid public servant and must be held to the higher standard.

      E. Rekshun

      July 27, 2015 at 7:56 PM

  6. If only she’d been in a self-driving car.

    slithy toves

    July 27, 2015 at 11:43 AM

  7. A couple of months ago I got pulled over in a ghetto area in north Philly for running a light. As soon as the cop pulled me over, I got out my license, registration, and insurance cards and put my hands on the steering wheel so that he could see them when he approached. He was your typical white, middle aged, slightly overweight cop and when he asked me if I knew why he pulled me over I said something like, “Yes, I made that turn when the light was still yellow.” I meant the other light, not mine, and the cop went right into asshole mode. “Excuse me? Are you trying to tell ME you made that turn legally?” I immediately diffused the situation by apologizing for my confusing statement and explaining what I meant while calling him “sir” and admitting that I’d made the illegal turn. He took my information, went back to his car, ran it, came back 5 minutes later, and let me go without a ticket.

    This cop struck me as the type who would have used any excuse I’d given him to screw with me. If I’d argued that the turn was legal, he probably would have asked me to step out of the car, searched me and the car, beaten me up and arrested me if I’d done anything that could be construed as resisting, etc.

    Just letting him know that he’s the boss saved me money, time, and a lot of aggravation. I’m listening to the end of a show on NPR about Sandra Bland and I can’t count the number of times I’ve heard a guest use the words “white supremacy” in reference to her arrest. That’s ridiculous. That wasn’t my first interaction with the police, and I’m a middle class white guy. Cops can be racist, sure, but what happened to her was typical of what happens to most people when they don’t defer to a cops authority.

    Robert

    July 27, 2015 at 11:55 AM

    • Good perspective. The current elite MSM crop of coptered Millennial self-actualizing safekids can’t stop projecting their privilege onto regular folks.

      Fiddlesticks

      July 27, 2015 at 12:38 PM

      • Is there any upside to answering the DYKWIPYO question? Not that I can think of. I can’t imagine that immediately admitting to a crime or violation is in your best interest.

        bjdubbs

        July 27, 2015 at 1:30 PM

      • bjdubbs, yes. If he’d ticketed me, I wouldn’t have gone to court to contest it. I assumed that he’d be less likely to ticket me if I admitted that he had a reason pull me over, and I was right. I agree that it’s best to remain politely silent and ask for a lawyer if you’re suspected of an actual crime, though.

        Robert

        July 27, 2015 at 1:55 PM

      • Best way to handle this is to just be calm, friendly, and respectful – talk to the cop like the random guy you had a decent conversation with at the airport. Don’t admit to anything; answer that question with something like “Aah, I’m not sure, why?” That way, if he tells you your taillight is out, you can pretend to be surprised and ask if you can go out and take a look, “huh, is it a running light or a brakelight”, etc., or say “yeah, the light on the dash just came on a few minutes ago” if indeed it’s on and visible. If you’re doing anything that’s actually egregious, he’s not exactly going to use the Socratic method on you – you can be sure you’ll get an earful.

        I used to drive a lot (20-25k a year) and despite regularly driving like a savage and being pulled over multiple times I’ve never even had a ticket since my undergrad years. It’s mostly about how you deal with people. Do you get tense and awkward with the cop, or do you just treat him like a normal person who happens to be doing his job and that job happens to involve pulling people like you over? That way he doesn’t feel like he might get shot and has no reason to dislike you. At the same time, you’re not creating any reason for concern – nervousness can be a sign of lots of other things besides just nervousness for a cop, obviously.

        Again, this involves higher-level empathy, which most Americans aren’t really capable of, which is why for most people being quietly deferential and respectful is a better option. But if you can do the above, it’ll work brilliantly.

        Viscount Douchenozzlé

        July 27, 2015 at 2:30 PM

    • I get stopped all the time driving home buzzed late at night. So far I have avoided DUI by going into subservient mode. Highly recommended if you have something to hide like I did. It’s not right really that people should have to do that, but I think it’s a bit of polite signaling to let the cop know you’re not going to go all whack and pull out a gun or anything.

      Mrs Stitch

      July 27, 2015 at 3:44 PM

      • Perhaps you should think about why you drive after drinking “all the time”. A DUI is a serious offense and, apart from any harm you may do to others, the harm you do to yourself is great indeed. There are many, many alternatives to driving home. Uber and Lyft, even the old taxi or, god forbid, walking home are just a few examples. I encourage you to look into these alternatives before driving after drinking.

        ibejeph

        July 27, 2015 at 4:31 PM

    • I was pulled over recently and one of the cops absolutely was trying not-so-subtly taunting me in order to pick a fight with me. I’m a white guy, generally friendly, gave no bade attitude, but I had been drinking, and have a record of DUI, so I’m sure they thought they had a degenerate criminal on their hands.

      AnonymousFunk

      July 27, 2015 at 4:55 PM

    • Why did you incriminate yourself? Always answer “do you know why I pulled you over” with, politely, “no”.

      theoak

      July 27, 2015 at 5:10 PM

      • Or ideally, ask the cop why you were pulled over before he asks you. But ask very politely and meekly.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 27, 2015 at 6:05 PM

      • General rule: if you get a ticket for something petty, chances are you can get it kicked in municipal court if you just show up. Half the time, the cop who cited you won’t be there. Without him as a witness, the prosecutor has no case. But doing this will usually take up at least a couple of hours of your time. If you’re pulled over for some petty, no insurance points, driving infraction just admit that you’re wrong to the cop unless you’re the type of person who likes fighting over this kind of thing. The cop is going to ticket you or he isn’t, and you’re going to pay it if he does, so increase your chances of not getting a ticket by telling the cop he was right and you were wrong.

        Robert

        July 27, 2015 at 6:37 PM

      • “Half the time, the cop who cited you won’t be there.”

        They’ll be there a lot more often than not, unfortunately. They get paid extra for court time.

        anon

        July 28, 2015 at 2:46 AM

      • General rule: if you get a ticket for something petty, chances are you can get it kicked in municipal court if you just show up.

        Last time I got a ticket with points included, I did that, and the prosecutor pulled everyone in one at a time, and offered to knock off 2 points for a plea. They simply don’t have time to have a trial for every ticket issued. Since my ticket was only 2 points, I of course agreed and that was that. If the ticket doesn’t have points, then, in my experience, you’re just better off paying it online.

        Dave Pinsen

        July 28, 2015 at 6:33 AM

      • In Arlington Virginia they believe in making everyone pay their tickets. I thought that if I demanded a trial they would knock it down, but they didn’t do that.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 28, 2015 at 7:58 AM

  8. The cop obviously is a graduate of the Cartman School of Advanced Police Training.

    Cartman Respect My Authoritah – South Park

    Why did Cartman ask her to put out her cigarette?
    How is that his concern? Is he the health police too?
    Was the danger of second hand smoke too great a risk for him?
    Was her Salem Light a potential weapon?
    Cartman just wanted to provoke this woman and he succeeded.

    Nedd Ludd

    July 27, 2015 at 11:56 AM

  9. I have to side with the daughter of Obama on this one. This hispanic pig is a rapist of freedom, proving Trump right. He kept poking like a bitch would until he got a reaction; and almost anyone would react to having been touched by the pig’s dirty NAM hands. Until that point she was not doing anything that should have escalated the situation.

    But you are right, the only way to survive a police stop is to be more Stoic than Marcus Aurelius. I had a bitch cop pull me over and try the same thing with me. I was accused of planning to break into homes. If you don’t rise to the bait and stay silent their little minds don’t have enough to work with and they give up.

    #PigLIvesDon’tMatter

    #SicSemperTyrannis

    Winston Smith

    July 27, 2015 at 11:56 AM

    • When I was in my 20s, a buddy of mine and I were driving home after drinking in the West Village, and I went the wrong way down a one way street. A black woman NYPD cop was there in a cop car. She said, “hold on, I’ll block traffic so you guys can turn around”, and we said thanks, turned around and left. No ticket, no warning, no nothing. Totally chill. I guess she was the anti-Bland.

      Dave Pinsen

      July 28, 2015 at 6:38 AM

  10. The smart thing to do is realize that the police systematically abuse their authority and that the most vulnerable and powerless parts of the population suffer the worst consequences.

    It is true that whites who get arrested aren’t cared for and that’s the media’s fault. It’s a nationwide problem.

    swank

    July 27, 2015 at 12:03 PM

    • Y. The police behave in a similar fashion in other WEIRD countries but everything is toned down. No policeman in Australia or England or Germany believes that they are going to be shot at a random traffic stop and the lower rates of serious crime mean the police are less on edge in general. The biggest advantage of living in a country that isn’t as stretched out in terms of inequality is that people at the bottom are less poorly behaved. Ordinary English policeman don’t even carry guns and most Australian policemen have never fired their weapons on duty, ditto Germany, France.

      Magicman

      July 29, 2015 at 12:49 AM

      • That is changing in Europe (along with the demographics).

        Bernie

        July 29, 2015 at 11:44 AM

      • Apparently, East Asians are also becoming “Spaniards” in Spain.

        A hate crime here, where a native born Asiatic “Spaniard” gets assaulted by a Russian, who is not a native.

        JS

        July 29, 2015 at 12:54 PM

      • A real solution to the world’s race conflict. Segregation, but equal in status for all countries.

        JS

        July 29, 2015 at 12:58 PM

  11. OT: Lion should do a post on the Moira Greyland situation so that his readers can know why gay marriage and gay adoption matter as issues.

    http://askthebigot.com/2015/07/23/the-story-of-moira-greyland-guest-post/

    Andrew E.

    July 27, 2015 at 12:17 PM

  12. The YouTube piece titled “Sandra Bland’s last video” reveals that she was an incoherent moron full of Rev. Wright-style black self-pity. So this traffic incident is unique in that we know the officer was dealing with a total flake. Incidentally, the NYT reported that as of 2005, students at Prairie View, where Bland had once been a student, were not allowed to vote, as if the the Civil Rights Act had never occurred in this particukar Texas county. I find that frankly unbelievable.

    Marty

    July 27, 2015 at 12:46 PM

  13. A long time ago, the California courts, at least, decided that cops have no right to demand to know where you are going. I’d be surprised if the rule were different in other states. This cop didn’t take long to ask just that question. It must be a kind of police reflex, a weird tic that they just can’t resist. For instance, once in San Francisco I deliberately blew a red light, while doing about 70 in a 45, because I was in a hurry to get some sleep. AFTER the cop handed me my ticket, he demanded to know where I was going. I found the question so preposterous that I told him I was going to a nearby asian whorehouse where they had a two-for-one special starting at 4:00. Now, we all know that the Justice Department can steamroll any local police practice it wants to. I don’t why we don’thave a national rule: a cop asks omeone where they’re going = automatic $10,000 award from cop’s pocket, no indemnity allowed. Just like a Rule 11 sanction in litigation.

    vipltd

    July 27, 2015 at 1:38 PM

    • They do that to gather incriminating evidence. You can invoke your right to remain silent, but for a traffic ticket you are better off not doing that. You should always invoke your right to remain silent if you are being investigated for anything serious.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 27, 2015 at 1:42 PM

  14. The real thought process of a cop…

    swank

    July 27, 2015 at 1:44 PM

  15. So, Yakov, I’ve repeatedly heard people at shuls being told “have an easy fast” after Shacharit on minor fast days connected with the loss of the Beis Ha Mikdash. Is this an appropriate wish only for minor fast days but not for Tisha B’Av, then?

    garr

    July 27, 2015 at 2:06 PM

    • You are right – this is what people wish each other. I don’t make a neusance of myself either and act according to social expectations. It does rub me the wrong way, though. All this preoccupation with easy fasting, special pills not to feel the fast, eating before and after – gets on my nerves. There are people who whish each other a meaningful fast, but they are few.As a Lion’s reader I held you to a higher standard. That’s all.

      Yakov

      July 27, 2015 at 11:08 PM

  16. Most cops tend to be feelers more than thinkers. Their psychological makeup tends to rely more on intuition and gut instincts. They have to really because they encounter so many people and have to mentally sort out who is dangerous. I agree with Lion that this is more about class than race. A cop, upon meeting you, will immediately acertain how much respect you are worthy of and will act accordingly.

    I am a well to do white guy who does not always dress the part. There were a few times over the years that i got pulled over in my beater car, which was messy and dirty at the time. Both times the cop treated me like dirt. I could tell that his impression of me was that i didn’t matter. Several other times i got pulled over driving a Mercedes and wearing a business suit. I got more “yes sirs” from them than i could count. The police by their nature want to protect and defend authority. If they can sense that you are that authority then they will go out of their way to be on your side.

    B.T.D.T.

    July 27, 2015 at 2:35 PM

  17. Man, that video is hilarious. It almost feels like a parody video: jerky cop meets uppity black woman. My favorite part is near the end after all hell’s broken loose, Ms. Bland moans: “All this for a traffic signal!”

    Uh huh. “All this.” You had nothing to do with it, honey.

    My only real question is early on when the cop says “get out of the car” and she says you have no right to do that, and he says “it’s a lawful order,” well is it?

    peterike

    July 27, 2015 at 2:41 PM

    • Yes, based on court rulings, it is legal for a police officer to ask you to step out of your car during a traffic stop. The reasons is suppose to be so he can check you for weapons, but there is no legal requirement that the officer have any reason to believe that you might be armed before asking you to step out of the car.

      On the other hand, a black woman might have good reason to be suspicious of a police officer asking her to step out the car under this circumstances. She might well believe this is simply a pretext for the officer to assault her.

      mikeca

      July 27, 2015 at 11:32 PM

  18. Actually the cop states that he was only going to have given her a warning before she goes nutso.

    XVO

    July 27, 2015 at 2:49 PM

  19. Two of the past four times I was pulled over I got warnings. Most recently for going 70 in a 45 zone (on a clear night with no traffic so not an unsafe speed).

    I am very polite in person!

    Also California doesn’t have small speed trap towns like the rest of the USA. We actually have a law making speed traps illegal. You really have to be driving recklessly or going 15+ over to get pulled over here. I have whizzed by cops at 90 in a 65 zone many times without issue, though I do try to stay under 75 if one is nearby.

    Our quasi German attitude toward safe high speed driving is one of the reasons I love California.

    Lot

    July 27, 2015 at 3:05 PM

    • The California Highway Patrol is surprisingly sensible and their officers have always made a good impression on me when I’ve encountered them. Local cops in California vary a lot. Some of the cops in my town (where the average policeman’s salary is about 100K plus extremely generous benefits) are functionally illiterate.

      Verylongaccountname

      July 27, 2015 at 7:31 PM

    • One summer night I was pulled over by CHP on I-5 around Coalinga. I was all alone on the road, and was listening to a Giants-Dodgers game from L.A. I had a lot of curly hair back then and sort of looked like Vinny Barbarino. Cop came to the window and asked, “what’s the score?” I said, “2-1 Giants in the 8th,” and he said, “Okay, find someone to run with.”

      wick

      July 27, 2015 at 8:18 PM

  20. I laughed when I first listened to the traffic stop in the second verse of Jay Z’s “99 Problems” since the same thing had basically happened to me before except I am white* and didn’t kick up a big fuss. Sure, they didn’t have grounds to body search me or search my car but on the other hand I didn’t lose any pride points by taking the easy way out.

    *Instead of “driving while black” I was driving with a bumper sticker of a jam band known for drug use among its followers.

    Jokah Macpherson

    July 27, 2015 at 5:01 PM

  21. The lady was STUPID !! You do not assert your rights by being difficult with a cop over a minor issue like this.
    You turn the interior lights on (if driving at night) and put your hand in the steering wheel and wait. When the cop comes by, be deferential, end every sentence with “yes officer” or “no officer” and be on your best behavior. If you get out of a ticket this way, great. If you still get a ticket, tough. But be on your best behavior.

    How hard is that to follow? There are plenty of ways to assert your rights. This is not the place though.

    fwiw, I am south asian. So JS might say that my beta-ness has something to do with this subservience attitude. 🙂 But hey, this is the USA. You would have to be an imbecile to try to bribe a cop here. LOL. “Do in Rome…….”.

    So do like all the smart people are saying. Minimize the interaction with the cop to a minimum, be on your best behavior.

    wt

    July 27, 2015 at 5:26 PM

    • Cities that are alpha are usually teeming with attractive women, where more aggressive racial minorities such as blacks and muzzies are found, and lesser beta passive minorities such as East and South Asians are not as prevalent.

      Think NYC and Montreal up in Canada. Montreal has more blacks than Asians, and they also have more Middle Easterners than Asians. Both cities teeming with attractive women and racial minorities with an aggressive attitude out to chase tail.

      Is this a coincidence or there is a set pattern here? Beta men avoid cities where sociopathy and popularity defines much of civic life. Montreal despite being a nice city, is full of miscreants and criminals coming from the blacks and the middle eastern demographic. The same goes for NYC, except Caribbean Hispanics are our Muslims.

      JS

      July 27, 2015 at 6:46 PM

      • Holy hell you are tedious. Why do you comment so much? This blog needs “JS” filter.

        onetwothree

        July 28, 2015 at 4:16 AM

  22. I strongly oppose cops getting physical with someone who is polite and respectful. But it doesn’t bother me a bit that some cops provoke idiots into giving them cause to arrest. If the person resists and the cop slams them down face first then that’s fine, too. They should have done what they were told or at least declined respectfully like the guy in the first video swanky linked.

    Ultimately, you have to do what the cop orders whether they’re exceeding their authority or not. You are NOT a cop’s equal on the street. They represent the law and you’re required to follow their lawful orders. If you think they’re out of line then the time to protest is not on the street but in court.

    I can be aggressive when provoked. But I’m also smart enough to know a fight I can’t win. I’d never allow a cop to bait me. Best case scenario is they’ll call for backup and tazer you. Worst case they’ll kill you. Even if someone gets away they’d just put out a warrant. They know who you are because the first thing they do is run your plates.

    destructure

    July 27, 2015 at 5:45 PM

  23. My mother is spanish (caucasian, white skin and blue eyes). She went 1 week holydays on NY and went to 1 more week holidays in Argentina with a connexion in Dallas. She cas arrested for ID checking and as She wanted to know why and explain She had only once hour connection She was so badly treated She couldn’t help crying for the hour. She decided to never to back to US even for a connection flight. I myself never fly out or Europe.

    Bruno from paris

    July 27, 2015 at 5:56 PM

  24. I suppose your police need being policed, but i don’t care as i don’t intend to fly there.

    Bruno from paris

    July 27, 2015 at 5:59 PM

    • Mate, Russian police is a hundred times worse and it’s still an OK country to visit. American police is fine, as far as police go.

      Yakov

      July 27, 2015 at 10:43 PM

  25. I just realized the 2 times i’ve been ticketed were by female cops. The 3 times male cops pulled me over i just got warnings. I guess the ladies didn’t think i was alpha.

    dsgntd_plyr

    July 27, 2015 at 6:13 PM

  26. Looks, Swank, I really have no interest in using another Black Behaving Badly incident to bludgeon police officers. If you get stopped for a moving violation, then you are getting a ticket. Maybe you can talk your way out of it, maybe not, but getting an attitude with a police officer is not the way to go. Traffic stops are dangerous. Ever watch “Cops” and see a simple traffic stop escalate to a felony?

    As for DUI, sobriety checkpoints are mandated by the States. Police do not set up such checkpoints on their own recognizance. That is a matter to take up with state congressman, not with the local cop.

    map

    July 27, 2015 at 7:33 PM

    • In other words, a black imbecile is not a person I care to be a vanguard of any “rights.” I know that the only reason why the MSM is gearing up against cops is because they want to disarm white people against black violence. the first step is to get cops to de-police blacks.

      map

      July 27, 2015 at 7:36 PM

    • the DUI checkpoint isn’t the problem. the problem is the police, how they treat the citizens they are sworn to protect, and how people can’t stop making excuses for them.

      swank

      July 28, 2015 at 2:34 AM

      • In fact, the DUI checkpoint is, in and of itself, unconstitutional. You are being detained for no particular reason. But this is a condition created by politicians and judges, not police. So, for example, when the guy in the video questions the cops and asks him why he is being detained, he is actually dealing with the wrong party.

        Think about it. The particular state has decided to unconstitutionally detain you at a sobriety checkpoint. Figure there is some procedure that they are going to employ, like asking you to roll down your window and look at your car. Telling the cop that you have no right to detain me or grilling a cop o exactly what your rights are is a fruitless effort…because the state has already violated your rights. The best thing to do is to get out of there as soon as possible and start writing your congressman.

        map

        July 29, 2015 at 1:32 AM

      • while my personal jurisprudence agrees with a narrow interpretation of exceptions to the 4th amendment, SCOTUS doesn’t agree and it hasn’t for awhile. DUI checkpoints are not unconstitutional according to them.

        telling the cop that you have no right to detain me or grilling a cop o exactly what your rights are is a fruitless effort

        not really. if the state violates your rights for reason X, and you suffer X, but the officer also violates rights for Y and Z, which he is not authorized to violate (nearly a contradiction in terms) by this tyrannical state…the officer is to blame re: Y and Z.

        swank

        July 29, 2015 at 1:28 PM

      • Swank,

        You’re not understanding something. If the courts have decided that a dui checkpoint is not unconstitutional, then the police have a right to detain you at said checkpoint. If you are being constitutionally detained for a sobriety test, then anything that police can do to get the sobriety test is fine, including telling you to get out of your car or roll down your window, or anything else to get the job done.

        Asserting rights you obviously don’t have makes no sense.

        map

        July 30, 2015 at 12:43 PM

      • If the courts have decided that a dui checkpoint is not unconstitutional, then the police have a right to detain you at said checkpoint.
        anything that police can do to get the sobriety test is fine, including telling you to get out of your car or roll down your window, or anything else to get the job done.

        false. the DUI checkpoint itself is constitutional, the other stuff you mentioned is not constitutional without at least reasonable suspicion.

        swank

        July 30, 2015 at 2:20 PM

  27. The most amazing story I’d heard in Brooklyn bookings. There was a white guy in my cell that had done 8 years upstate. He did his time, turned a new leaf and was all bissiness. So one evening he is walking in East New York and suddenly two guys grab him. He pushes them away and starts running. Another guy blocks his way and tries to grab him, he pushes him away too and keeps on running. Now a fourth guy blocks his way, pulls out a police badge and orders him to stop. He stops and the cops collar him and bring him to the bookings. The whole cell was really outraged, but the judge dismissed the case and let him go in the morning. What I found amazing is that the guy acted realy smart, when I’m grabbed, I hit hard and try to do a lot of damage, but with a criminal record it’s realy not a smart thing to do. I agree with that. It’s better to do less damage and have less legal trouble. Imagine if he had broken a cop’s nose or knocked out a couple of teeth?

    Yakov

    July 27, 2015 at 9:24 PM

    • Cops should not be interacting with non-suspects when out of uniform. How is a member of the public to know that what would be self defense against an ordinary hoodlum will turn into assault of a police officer?

      Kyo

      July 28, 2015 at 9:42 AM

      • They were working undercover, but didn’t bother to identify themselves.

        Yakov

        July 28, 2015 at 2:22 PM

  28. Useful insight from a former cop.

    Don’t Talk to Cops, Part 2

    aandrews

    July 27, 2015 at 9:34 PM

    • Useful, but you get better insights from your fellow inmates.

      Yakov

      July 27, 2015 at 11:32 PM

  29. “Yes it was a traffic stop in which the cop goaded her into making a driving mistake by tailgating her”

    For whatever reason, he indeed told her she was being pulled over for failure to signal a lane change. My guess is that it’s because he just wanted to write a warning.

    But he seems to have initially pursued her because she rolled through a stop sign. And quite briskly at that– not even sure she tapped the brakes.

    anon

    July 27, 2015 at 10:24 PM

    • Start at 1:13 mark. Had that in the url, but i guess the embedding automatically resets to 0:00.

      anon

      July 27, 2015 at 10:26 PM

  30. Everyone should read Dale Carson”s book I once accidentally ran a stop sign and the police officer behaved just like the book described the police officer tried to escalate by calling names I took the advice in the book and just received a warning. Another book that really did save my life is called Facing Violence . Since I work in NYC I read both books to be prepared for anything now especially since the quality of life went down with the current mayor

    talbob

    July 27, 2015 at 10:44 PM

    • Yes, and it seems like the entire isle of Manhattan is now a Rio de Janiero. Notice all the heavy set NAMs hunking down your path and the half assed, crusty old buildings around you. It’s the same in Brazil!

      JS

      July 29, 2015 at 1:16 PM

  31. Jakov , i don’t include russia neither turkey in the european countries where i feel ok to travel (even if they are european geographically maybe, but not institutionaly UE + EEE (norway, Island, swiss, Liechtenstein and Monaco ) . I don’t to to rumania, Bulgaria and cyprus. That is 30 european countries. Canada, Australia and Japan are also ok. Perhaps if i need flying elsewhere i would study the case but would be reluctant ….

    Bruno from paris

    July 28, 2015 at 3:08 AM

    • You are too fragile. What are you gonna do when savages come to take away your property and your wife? Because this is where EU is heading.

      Yakov

      July 28, 2015 at 8:09 AM

    • I see what you did…tee hee!

      E. Rekshun

      July 28, 2015 at 11:19 AM

    • Romania is fine these days. In fact better than fine because the tourist hordes don’t go there yet. Cluj, for example, is a beautiful city with Habsburg era architecture and lots of female university students. Bucharest has plenty of great cafes and bars these days, just avoid the gypsies.

      Peter Akuleyev

      July 28, 2015 at 11:28 AM

  32. A white liberal tweeted about this, and another white liberal I follow (and met once) retweeted it: https://twitter.com/mattsfrootloops/status/624099490308464640

    You can see my responses below, and those of a black woman who jumps in. My point was, whatever the actions of the cop, it was stupid of Bland to smoke a cigarette and antagonize the cop.

    A meta question about this is whether #BlackLivesMatter activism has gotten more blacks killed by encouraging them to be more antagonistic toward cops than they would be otherwise.

    Dave Pinsen

    July 28, 2015 at 5:47 AM

  33. Yet another instance of blacks making their situation way worse due to their inability to keep their mouth closed. These types of stories will become more and more prevalent going forward.

    Camlost

    July 28, 2015 at 5:54 AM

  34. OK, since I live a dozen miles down the road from where this happened, I’ll chime in with some back story.

    This wasn’t out in the sticks, it was on the outer fringe of Houston suburbs.

    This happened right outside of Prarieview A&M, a historically black college.
    (the officer was hunting over a baited field)

    The officer was DPS (state trooper), not local police or sheriff.

    There has been a history of bad blood between PAM and everyone else in Waller county since forever. Think student voter registration.

    Since she was alumini, she had to know that history.

    If I found myself in the Hempstead pokey, I’d make one call to my best friend, who would call my lawyer buddy (his too) and my dad, who might call my lawyer brother. There would be calls made and my bail would be dropped to personal recognasince, if the charges were not dropped altogether. Ms. Black Attitude did not have my speed dial list.

    Oh and in Southeast Texas, we have a race-neutral version of “the talk”. Don’t Fuck with the Police. talk over.

    KevinM

    July 28, 2015 at 7:36 AM

  35. Somewhat related, on Saturday there was an anti-white Communist rally in Newark that attracted enough people to fill a camera lens frame, and Cornel West showed up to yell at them, so it was deemed newsworthy enough for the Star-Ledger to print some photos. One showed a pleasant-looking white woman with a mom bod holding a sign that said “White Silence Is White Violence.” This really hit home because I was just coming off an 8-hour violent binge (7 hours sleeping and 1 hour sitting in a chair reading a book). The sign so awakened me that I have decided to turn my life around. Please join me (I don’t know how to use social media for social action, so if any young Internet-savvy white person who reads this can spread the message, please do) in my nonviolent protest at 12:01 AM Sunday August 2 in Times Square at 43rd and Seventh, when I plan on screaming, never to stop.

    Bill

    July 28, 2015 at 7:56 AM

  36. Can someone explain to me why she should’ve stopped smoking in her own car because the cop told her so? I’m for being polite and everything, but not subservient. I don’t beleive in having my dignity trampled upon by either cops or niggers. There is a middle road here to take, I beleive.

    Once I was walking at night in Brooklyn Chinatown coming home from a Wing Chun practice and, ladies pardon the xpression

    Yakov

    July 28, 2015 at 2:29 PM

    • To avoid getting arrested. She could get a lawyer later to sue for her constitutional rights being violated.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 28, 2015 at 2:43 PM

      • Yeah, like go sue a cop for telling you not to smoke in your car! Once you are arrested, you can sue for unlawful imprisonment. That’s something to take to a judge.

        Yakov

        July 28, 2015 at 2:56 PM

      • Once you are arrested, you can sue for unlawful imprisonment. That’s something to take to a judge.

        Right.

        the middle road is that people should realize that police serve the people. if the people hate dealing with police and feel like the police are an antagonistic force there to ruin their day rather than to protect and serve, then that’s a shitty society.

        swank

        July 28, 2015 at 4:05 PM

      • Swank, I checked out that book. Lion I can’t beleive you are seriously recommending it. Here is what a review says and it makes sense to me.

        I’d give this book zero stars, if that were possible.

        As a criminal defense lawyer, I’m always looking out for books that are written to be easy to understand for non-lawyers. (As a blogging criminal defense lawyer, I do what I can to write on the topic myself.)

        This book is not that. It’s ignorant drivel. I know some criminal defense lawyers who even question if it was really written by a police officer, as it purports to be.

        But seriously, mess yourself to avoid arrest? I don’t think that’s going to work. Some of the police cars these days actually have hard plastic back seats. They can disinfect and hose those if they need to do so. The end result of following this advice is that you’re going to end up sitting in your messy pants for awhile, because they sure aren’t going to let you wash them out while you’re in holding, or booking.

        This book is all about the opposite of what I think we need to do. This book is about demeaning yourself before law enforcement, when what you should be doing is making yourself aware of your rights and then (carefully) exercising them. When (not if, unfortunately) that fails, you should be filing a complaint against the officer, and under the right circumstances you should sue. That’s the only way things are going to change. (Complaints, in particular, can help because even though the police force will find them “unfounded,” they rack up. And criminal defense attorneys like myself can run motions that give us access to those, so eventually we’re able to show that a particular cop is not to be trusted, which can result in less of his victims going to jail, or prison, and possibly result in his being reassigned or terminated.)

        If you’re looking for serious advice on how to “arrest-proof” yourself, this

        Yakov

        July 28, 2015 at 10:52 PM

      • Well, there was some stuff in the book that was a little over-the-top, but it’s still an excellent book.

      • No seriously, what’s the big deal of being arrested already? There are chaps here willing to totally debase themselves. What’s the big deal? So you go to bookings and maybe to Rikers. I think it’s a neat experience. You learn a lot. You are between jobs now, so why don’t you go do something stupid and spend a few days behind bars? You need it.

        Yakov

        July 29, 2015 at 1:08 AM

    • expression, needed to take a leak. What to do? So I sneak into an entrance to a basement and do my thing there. When I come out guess who is waiting outside? A police car with four white cops – two males and two females.

      – Do you live here? – asks a cop belligerent.

      – No. – say I.

      – Are you visiting?

      – No.

      – You know anyone in the building?

      – Not really.

      – You are trespassing! What did you go down there for?

      – Oh, just to through a little garbage I had, to keep our city clean, you know.

      – You were f***ing trespassing! You want me to book you?

      – He can book you! – says the white female cop.

      – I just didn’t think about it, but you are right it’s trespassing. – say I.

      The cop is all heated up. – ‘You want me to f***ing book you? You want to go to f***ing jail?’

      I realize that they want me to beg and grovel, but noway, not me! I would rather spend the night in the bookings.

      – I don’t think that it’s necessary, officers. – was as low as I was prepared to go. So they don’t book me and the cop writes me a ticket for trespassing. When I go to pay it, a NAM cleark cannot find it in the system and dismisses it. There is only so low that you should go, after that you are not a man anymore. Take jail and keep your dignity.

      In general, American cops are OK and so are Italian and Israeli, Russian are mafia.

      Yakov

      July 28, 2015 at 2:51 PM

      • I realize that they want me to beg and grovel, but noway, not me! I would rather spend the night in the bookings.

        exactly right.

        dignity means something. why should I have to grovel to an individual whose salary I pay? or more specifically, who is paid by the people.

        i won’t be violent, ever. but i also won’t let them treat me like im anything but a citizen they should hold and treat in high regard.

        the reason why police behave the way they do is because too many people let them get away with it. it’s that simple. they have “the talk” of “do whatever they say.” or they think Dale Carson’s actual advice of “try pissing on yourself to look more pathetic” (you can’t make it up, he says it) is some sort of guideline to how one ought to live.

        HBDers can only pick on the powerless. they can’t stand up to power. not even once.

        swank

        July 28, 2015 at 4:10 PM

      • Learning to eat shit is part of life. An inability to eat shit is lower class and stupid. That being said the police need to at minimum redistribute the shit they dole out among different populations and possibly decrease the total.

        Lloyd Llewellyn

        July 28, 2015 at 7:03 PM

      • @swank

        ‘HBDers can only pick on the powerless. they can’t stand up to power. not even once.’

        Now mate, let’s not get irrational. HBDers are fighting the powerful establishment. How did you overlook this?

        Yakov

        July 28, 2015 at 7:16 PM

      • @Lloyd Llewellyn

        Go tell it to the Founding Fathers.

        Yakov

        July 28, 2015 at 7:18 PM

      • You are correct that not eating shit in addition to being low class is also a mark of high class (but you’re an HVAC repairman so it doesn’t really apply in your situation). But the revolutionary war was pointless and lots of people died for basically no reason.

        Lloyd Llewellyn

        July 28, 2015 at 8:12 PM

      • @Lloyd Llewellyn

        If you like eating s***, then you will find the revolutionary war pointless. Love of freedom, independent spirit and self-respect used to be an American trait shared by all classes. You are a curious chap, so tell me why was American Revolution pointless?

        Yakov

        July 28, 2015 at 10:04 PM

      • The US was about 1/3 for independence, 1/3 against, and 1/3 indifferent so the revolution was antidemocratic. The “founding fathers” were just one elite resentful that they were subservient to another remote British one and sought to install themselves on top. It’s obviously impossible to determine how things would have played out had he US remained part of the British empire, but Canada turned out just fine and consistently outranks the US in quality of life rankings.

        Freedom, independence, and self respect are all things that can be defined in a myriad of ways in order to justify a whole range of policy positions.

        And I don’t like eating shit I just said it was a part of life.

        Lloyd Llewellyn

        July 29, 2015 at 1:47 AM

      • Swank and Yakov,

        This makes no sense. In either case, you’ve caught the attention of the police because something illegal was done, if only a technical violation of the law, either a traffic violation or unintended trespassing. You seem to think the police are acting unprofessionally because they don’t simply ignore you and let you go on your way? Submitting in a pissing contest to avoid a formal charge when you are obviously in the the wrong seems like a smart move. How is it that you don’t see that.

        map

        July 29, 2015 at 1:58 AM

      • “In either case, you’ve caught the attention of the police because something illegal was done”

        police often harass people when nothing illegal was done. the video above does not present a situation where something illegal was done.

        submission is good only when it is to legitimate authority. otherwise it is some species of cowardice.

        swank

        July 29, 2015 at 10:42 AM

      • Map, I don’t have a problem paying a fine even if a cop gives by mistake. Mistakes happen in any line of work. What I have a problem with is having my freedom and rights violated and this is what I’m fighting for. I would have refused to put out a cigarette in my car and I would have gone to jail for it. Here I agree with niggers. That cigarette butt embodies our freedom. I have a right to smoke and the state is not going to arbitrarily stop me.

        At what point are you going to stand up for your rights? When they come to take to Gulag? It so much not a big deal that I realy don’t understand why most people on this blog are so scared of spending a few days in jail for their freedom. You people are slaves.

        Yakov

        July 29, 2015 at 12:34 PM

      • Read the Declaration of Independence, learn in by heart it tells you all about this great revolution. One thing is clear, there would have never been a US. A quote from the declaration:

        He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.’

        The British were not allowing the expansion of the settlement because they didn’t want to get embroiled in a conflict with the Indians. The would have left the country in the hands of the Savage Indians and Mexico would have controlled half of the US or more. Yes, George Washington couldn’t acquire enough land in Maryland on account of British laws and this is a damn good reason to rebel. This is oppression! Read the Declaration of Independence, mate, it’s all there. I read it once a year on 4th of July. I know, I should learn it by heart myself. One day I’m gonna do it.

        If the majority favored slavery or were indifferent, it matters but little. If they liked Britain so much, they could move there or to Canada or Mexico for that matter. Soon after independence they came to like it, I’m pretty sure of that.

        Yakov

        July 29, 2015 at 1:54 PM

  37. OT: new study attempting to tease out nature/nurture contributions by looking at kids with stepdads.

    The kids’ educational attainment was still more influenced by biodad (nature) while their religious affiliation was more influenced by stepdad (nurture).

    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs13524-015-0388-z

    Fiddlesticks

    July 28, 2015 at 2:40 PM

  38. OT Pro Tip – Lion, you don’t appear to have monetized this blog so maybe you just do it for yuks, but I imagine you get some thrill over seeing traffic numbers to your WordPress blog. If so, from an SEO perspective, you probably want to make a Cecil the Lion post while the issue is still trending.

    Paul Rise

    July 28, 2015 at 8:44 PM

  39. Off topic: check out what Sanders has to say about immigration, Lion
    http://www.vox.com/2015/7/28/9014491/bernie-sanders-vox-conversation

    chairman

    July 28, 2015 at 10:45 PM

    • I like him better than Hillary.

      • Trump is all talk and once in office would probably not really do anything substantial about illegal immigration, and would no doubt ramp up H-1B visas and the like. Sanders as President wouldn’t be deporting anyone but would try to crack down on H-1B abuse and probably also try to strengthen border control — he’s an Old Left kind of guy who likely views mass immigration as adding to the “deserve army of labor.”

        It’s time to scrap that Trump endorsement and endorse Sanders!

        chairman

        July 29, 2015 at 12:11 AM

      • Also keep in mind that Trump has a clothing line that’s manufactured in China.

        bobo

        July 29, 2015 at 8:00 AM

      • I meant I like Sanders better than Hillary. Of course, I also like Trump better. No clothes are manufactured in the U.S. You can’t blame Trump for doing what every other clothing manufacturer does.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 29, 2015 at 8:06 AM

      • I like Trump. I heard he would get along with Vladimir Putin. I hope Trump would stop the aid to Ukraine and let the Euromaidan wither.

        Latias

        August 2, 2015 at 1:56 AM

  40. Lloyd Llewellyn’s observation is quite profound, and has special relevance to the black “community.” If only they were articulate enough to say so, blacks would tell you that the thing they like most about themselves is that they “don’t take no shit from no one.” Shit, in this formulation, actually means “any criticism whatsoever about any aspect of how I present myself.” Needless to say, this is the exact opposite of the way whites have to do things, at least if they want to participate in commercial life. When I was about to enter the work world, my Dad told me, “be obsequious,” which of course means “take shit.” Most of the discussion about black failure or dysfunction, at least among HBD’ers, focuses on raw intelligence to the exclusion of this “no shit” attitude. But I’d bet the attitude is the stronger factor in the overall outcomes.

    sorry, I don't hire tattoos

    July 29, 2015 at 1:07 AM

    • if you are a human first, then you should know that if there’s much innate to human nature it is a resistance to being dominated.

      it’s a silly lie that one must tolerate abuse or mistreatment or disrespect.

      swank

      July 29, 2015 at 10:55 AM

      • One must indeed tolerate it in order to be conventionally successful in modern-day society, especially if you work for a big corporation.

      • No one must be creative and learn to retaliate with panache: “office politics.”

        the drones who are happy to take shit don’t get promoted. the people who become proficient in OP.

        swank

        July 29, 2015 at 11:04 AM

      • “if you are a human first, then you should know that if there’s much innate to human nature it is a resistance to being dominated”

        That’s about as wrong as wrong can be. Most people want to be “dominated,” i.e. told what to do, what to think. Why do you think it’s so easy for the media to promote whatever agenda it wants? People are followers.

        Hey swank, I’m curious about how old you are. You seem like about a 25 year old naive “LIBERTY, yeah!” spouter. Well intentioned, I suppose, but still hopelessly naive and an idiot of one idea. Hey, I was like that once, head filled with an over-arching view of the world in glorious black-and-white. Turned out it was mostly wrong and simplistic. Eventually you learn that the world is mostly gray areas as you absorb new knowledge. And then eventually you learn you were right all along that everything is mostly black-and-white, only now you understand which is black and which is white.

        peterike

        July 29, 2015 at 12:25 PM

      • swank and his non-sequitur comments again. blacks make bad co-workers regardless, especially in groups, when they start to acting up together like it was the playground in the hood.

        JS

        July 29, 2015 at 1:48 PM

      • That’s about as wrong as wrong can be. Most people want to be “dominated,”

        if by wrong you mean “scientific” and “correct” then sure:
        it is widely argued by palaeoanthropologists that resistance to being dominated was a key factor driving the evolutionary emergence of human consciousness, language, kinship and social organization.[10][11][12]
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter-gatherer

        don’t worry, here comes the handwave…

        Why do you think it’s so easy for the media to promote whatever agenda it wants? People are followers.

        the fact that it takes dedicated propaganda campaigns and near psychological warfare to move public opinion actually suggests the opposite of what you think it does. the fact that people are extremely resistant to changing their beliefs does, too.

        and his non-sequitur comments again

        JS apparently believes that one must tolerate abuse or mistreatment or disrespect.
        I’m happy to disagree with him and his conception of what a “non-sequitur” is.

        swank

        July 29, 2015 at 7:43 PM

      • I’ve spend 20 years in corporate America and I haven’t tolerated any abuse. When I was an entry level programer, a manager that I worked for asked me to answer his phone. I’m an easy going chap eager to do a favor for anyone so I did it for a day. When he wanted me to continue doing it I walked into our bosses office to ask for an immediate transfer. The guy took one look at my face and he goes:
        – I hope you are not quitting.
        – Not if I get a transfer.
        – What happened?

        I told him my story and I got my transfer. Now you got to understand that the manager who wanted me to answer the phone had hired me after a technical interview. He had promised me the job right there as we finished talking. The chap had a PHD in math, wrote excellent code and understood commodities trading. I loved the application and admired his brilliance. He wanted me to work for him. It was his choice. For the life of me I cannot understand why he had thought that I would let him trample on me?

        Politics is a different story. I’d played those toungue in cheek and not always succeeding to hide my total disdain for the players. It paid well, lol. My boss, a real bitch, would fire and abuse normal guys because she felt threatened by them, but would promote and reward me because I knew how to make her feel safe. Lol.

        I know a lot of good people who had lost their jobs and had their lives and carriers made miserable by office politics, but I wasn’t one of them. There are a lot of phonies in corporate America and now with the backstabbing Indians dominating the technology field it’s a good place to stay away from.

        Take HVAC for example, you take these powerful forces of nature – electricity, thermodynamics, mechanics – and you harness them for the benefit of society and you make good money too, no robot or illegal can replace you, you can be proud of your work. What’s wrong with this picture? Who needs to go to a stupid college and pay a fortune for it to hope to get into corporate America to work with phonies, bitches and mongrels? Now education is good for its own sake. You come to know the Almighty G-d by studying science and math. Who created all this Harmony? Obviously the Almighty! All these minerals aren’t there by chance, He created them. The more you study these things the more you beleive and feel humbled by the Creator and his mighty work. So working independently with these awesome forces is the best carrier path. You work with the pure manifestation of the Divine, you make a mistake and electricity will kill you, which keeps your mind on not forgetting the fragility of your earthy existence. You can’t fool people – your stuff either works or it doesn’t. This is realy best life, if you are cut out for it, of course. If you are artistic, or musical or like writing this isn’t the right thing for you, but neither is corporate America.

        Yakov

        July 29, 2015 at 9:40 PM

      • “it is widely argued by palaeoanthropologists that resistance to being dominated was a key factor driving the evolutionary emergence of human consciousness, language, kinship and social organization”

        Yes, and this is perfectly applicable to American SWPLs in 2015. It’s not like civilization happened since those hunter-gatherer days.

        peterike

        July 30, 2015 at 10:35 AM

      • “Ten thousand women marched through the streets shouting, ‘We will not be dictated to,’ and went off and became stenographers.”

        ― G.K. Chesterton

        njguy73

        July 30, 2015 at 10:51 AM

      • Yes, and this is perfectly applicable to American SWPLs in 2015. It’s not like civilization happened since those hunter-gatherer days.

        people refuse to change their beliefs in the face of evidence, they believe things on faith, etc. etc. all of these cognitive biases are still with us, and they all support my observation here.

        civilization depends on convincing people to accept an unequal distribution of resources; that is why we have such powerful belief systems that are illogical and mythical. those tactics are required to overcome this resistance people have.

        swank

        July 30, 2015 at 1:10 PM

      • Master/slave is the fundamental dynamic of human nature and human relations. It will never change.

        fakeemail

        July 30, 2015 at 7:29 PM

      • Yakov, young proles today are taking up trades and blue collar work in lesser numbers. If you do not think working in trades lessens a man’s social status, then read this:

        http://www.returnofkings.com/29389/ignore-the-unwarranted-hate-of-trade-jobs

        The Manosphere is correct. Working in trades makes a guy less appealing to women. This article trying to convince proles that working in trades is good. Proles are the most likely to follow the manosphere.

        JS

        August 1, 2015 at 1:58 PM

    • @sorry

      Why don’t you do something for a living where you don’t have to be ‘obsequious’? Like plumbing or truck driving, eh?

      Yakov

      July 29, 2015 at 1:27 PM

      • Believe me, if I could understand plumbing, I’d have been one. The hourly wage is higher than for most lawyers.

        sorry, I don't hire tattoos

        July 29, 2015 at 8:05 PM

      • And most doctors, but you have to work for yourself.

        A housewife calls a plumber to fix a leaking sink. When he is done she asks :

        – How much?
        – $175
        – My doctor charges less!
        – I know, I used to be a doctor.

        Most college grads would be pretty happy with what I’m making now and I’m just picking up.

        Yakov

        July 29, 2015 at 9:53 PM

      • Yakov, a career in waste management is probably quite lucrative.

        Would you suggest someone working for a sewage treatment plant that pays a lot of money?

        Garbage collection companies are very profitable as well.

        JS

        July 30, 2015 at 11:03 AM

      • As one commentator here puts it, Yakov turns the LoftB into a prole drift rant. There nothing wrong with that. Another issue that needs to be addressed about smelly blue collar jobs, is that how do men impress women with their low status careers.

        Although the bar scene is now pretty much a lame duck for the manosphere types, imagine an attractive woman asks what do you do for a living, while you’re gulping down your in house, pale ale from the tap, and you respond with an unsavory answer like waste management or plumbing.

        JS

        July 30, 2015 at 1:43 PM

      • Yakov is the only person who explains the low-prole point of view, which is very valuable.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 30, 2015 at 4:18 PM

      • JS, this is a good job, but I would not be suggesting it for the chaps reading this blog. Everything I’ve suggested are trades which lend themselves to independent work for an enterprising kind of chap. You can’t just tell a customer: ‘I’ll through out your garbage, give me $150.’ But you can clear a clogged drain in 15 minutes and walk out with $250 in Manhattan and $150 in Brooklyn. You are not harnessing any Divine laws of nature when you are running after a garbage truck, but you do with HVAC, Plumbing and Electrical trades. So here you have trades that a brainy, physical and profitable. You got to find your level. I chose HVAC because it’s most eclectic and brainy and I like variety. Some guys just love their pipes or wires, it’s not like one size fits all.

        Yakov

        July 30, 2015 at 2:00 PM

      • If prole categories are defined only by income/independent-work, I think Yakov would be high prole and not low prole.

        non-toos brown girl

        July 30, 2015 at 8:29 PM

      • ‘Another issue that needs to be addressed about smelly blue collar jobs, is that how do men impress women with their low status careers.’

        Mate, you seem to think that plumbers are some kind of sewer rats? You realy don’t realize that they have nice houses, wives and kids?

        Listen here now and let me teach a lesson in life. You don’t try to impress women. Impressing women is phony. What you do is you be a real man yourself, be true with yourself. There are tons of women for real men out there. This is what your mind should be focused on – to be a man. Everything come natural and easy to a real man. What’s a real man you may ask? So here are the basics:

        1. Fighter – he fights his principles, his family and his nation.
        2. Provider – he provides for his family and the less fortunate members of his tribe and nation.

        Your occupation is immaterial. Everybody doesn’t have to like it. You give status to yourself and your occupation by your behavior and character. You determine your own worth.

        Incidentally mate, tell me about the discussion of French philosophy that you had with those French girls.

        Yakov

        July 30, 2015 at 11:31 PM

      • Brow girl is on the money.

        Yakov

        July 30, 2015 at 11:32 PM

      • “You don’t try to impress women. Impressing women is phony.”
        At first I was surprised to see myself agreeing with Yakov, but then I recalled the Holy Scripture of Fussell: elites and proles don’t care what other people think.
        Sidenote: Fussel’s wrong about elites not caring. Toos don’t give a **** about other people because nobody controls their income, and some non-toos elites also have non-dependent incomes. But all elites care about certain things (their families, charities, etc) and will try to influence people (almost always other elites) who influence things they care about.
        Perhaps some “manosphere” stuff works, but the culture of people (men/women) trying to have “relationships” (however long/short) with people they deem a “higher status” than them by faking a higher status themselves is based on deceit, which is obviously unsustainable/unethical/risky. “Manosphere” guys think that women are psychopaths, etc because that’s the kind of women they go after.
        Perhaps the whole “be true to yourself” thing sounds idealistic, but you often see people being happy with partners “out of their league”, and that usually doesn’t happen via deception. It happens because different people value different things.

        non-toos brown girl

        July 31, 2015 at 4:27 AM

      • Yakov, I know a few guys who run their own garbage collection route. They also have nice homes, decent wives and kids. Other than driving and stopping at every residential block, and dealing with smelly garbage, the work is rather low stress. They come out in the mornings and the evenings, and have a lot of downtime in between.

        You must be an older person. Today’s low status proles would rather hide in their den and play video games, than to be employed at a blue collar job. Furthermore, they know well, that young women today would find them more attractive, had they not work in trades or blue collar work.

        JS

        July 31, 2015 at 10:56 AM

      • Yakov is the only person who explains the low-prole point of view, which is very valuable.

        And we could also inject another prole topic into the blue collar discussion: The manosphere and gaming women, especially for blue collar men who need it the most!

        JS

        July 31, 2015 at 11:55 AM

      • JS, you are sounding more and more incoherent. Listen hear, but listen like in ‘pay attention’. The reason that private and intimate lives are called this is because they are nobody’s business.

        I’m not aware of tradesmen having problems finding female companionship. I’ve never taken any interest in the ‘manoshpere’ or game. I think it’s for losers of both sexes.

        Yakov

        July 31, 2015 at 2:59 PM

  41. She was just … keeping it real.

    Glengarry

    July 29, 2015 at 10:41 AM

  42. Sandra Bland arrest video

    This is just another non-story that gets hyped because of race.

    If this was a black cop with anybody or a White man in a pickup truck acting the same way and then being found dead in jail…………NOBODY WOULD CARE!!

    In fact we would most likely never have heard about it.

    That being said, it all starts because she doesn’t use her right turn signal when no pedestrians or cars are around when she turns??

    Come on, what a waste of time stop was that.

    Rifleman

    July 29, 2015 at 1:17 PM

  43. So MH370 did not end up in Kazakhstan.

    MyTwoCents

    July 29, 2015 at 6:08 PM

  44. rivelino

    July 29, 2015 at 6:22 PM


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