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Trump becomes stupid

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Monday he believes Republicans should shut down the government rather than fund Planned Parenthood, the health services group that is facing scrutiny after undercover videos of its officials emerged. [CNN]

I’m very disappointed that he’s posturing to the stupid part of the party.

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I should add that it’s hard to believe that Trump really believes this. He’s not an evangelical Christian, and he’s from New York City where even Republicans are pro-choice.

In fact, in 1999, Trump said on TV interview that he was “very pro-choice.”

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maj writes:

Its stupid because he’s catering to the extreme right instead of continuing to harp on illegal immigration, which is actually a very populist position. While most people are uncomfortable with abortion, they’re equally uncomfortable with shutting down the government, especially for a stupid reason like denying funding to Planned Parenthood.

Trump should stick to the issue that gave him the clear edge over his competitors. Otherwise he’s just another Santorum or Huckabee.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 4, 2015 at 11:54 am

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  1. Trump wasnt bing stupid.

    What Planned Parenthood was doing was criminal.

    They were conspiring to break the partial birth abortion laws as well as the laws banning the sales of organ tissue. This in addition to ethical issues of performing unmercifully complicated major surgery on women.

    They shouldn’t get a dime.

    The only way Lion’s right about this is if he really means: Trump is stupid because you shouldnt pick (or get drawn into) fights you can’t win. And this is a fight Trump can’t win. Planned parenthood and the abortion lobby is too strong. & Trump’s allies are a bunch of cuckservatives who won’t back him up.

    Rotten

    August 4, 2015 at 12:08 pm

    • Its stupid because he’s catering to the extreme right instead of continuing to harp on illegal immigration, which is actually a very populist position. While most people are uncomfortable with abortion, they’re equally uncomfortable with shutting down the government, especially for a stupid reason like denying funding to Planned Parenthood.

      Trump should stick to the issue that gave him the clear edge over his competitors. Otherwise he’s just another Santorum or Huckabee.

      maj

      August 4, 2015 at 12:55 pm

      • if you tend to see fetuses as babies (e.g. “she’s with child”) and you think that babies shouldn’t be killed except perhaps when the survival of their society requires that they be killed (as may be the case for hunter-gatherers and Spartans), then you will think that fetuses shouldn’t be killed. So, you will also be inclined to think that your government shouldn’t help to fund institutions that promote the killing of fetuses. The argument goes like this:
        1) the unnecessary killing of babies is wrong,
        2) the killing of babies in our society is unnecessary,
        so, 3) the killing of babies in our society is wrong;
        4) fetuses are babies,
        so, 5) the killing of fetuses in our society is wrong;
        6) Planned Parenthood promotes the killing of fetuses in our society,
        so, 7) Planned Parenthood promotes wrong actions;
        8) our government should not fund institutions that promote wrong actions,
        so, 9) our government should not fund Planned Parenthood.
        Note that every single one of the premises (1,2,4,6,8) in this argument might be held by someone who could not be correctly described as of the “extreme right.”
        You might disagree with #4. But there is nothing “extremely right”-wing about it. Nor is it obviously irrational: note again the ordinary expression, “she’s with child,” as well as more colloquial exclamations such as “She’s got a little baby inside of her!”

        garr

        August 4, 2015 at 3:08 pm

      • Right, concentrate your fire.

        sorry, I don't hire tattoos

        August 4, 2015 at 5:03 pm

      • It’s not just the “extreme right” who would be horrified by the PP revelations, if the mainstream media were forced to cover them. Remember, W.’s partial birth abortion ban passed the House and Senate by two thirds margins because it was broadly popular: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial-Birth_Abortion_Ban_Act

        Dave Pinsen

        August 4, 2015 at 5:27 pm

    • “…the abortion lobby…”

      What planet are you on? This isn’t big business. They were selling medical waste at-cost (transport & processing being the only costs).

      Viscount Douchenozzlé

      August 4, 2015 at 1:31 pm

      • I don’t think they’re referring to abortion as a corporate special interest so much as a social issues special interest aka “feminism”

        destructure

        August 4, 2015 at 5:53 pm

  2. The only good thing about Trump is that, like most New Yorkers, he doesn’t take religion seriously.

    Anthony

    August 4, 2015 at 1:51 pm

    • Societies whose leaders don’t take religion seriously will succumb to societies whose leaders DO take religion seriously.

      Garr

      August 5, 2015 at 6:44 am

  3. From what I can tell repubs can waiver on abortion as long as they often proclaim they are against it. What’s important is they are not saying they are pro-choice. The left doesn’t believe them anyway so it’s not worth alienating the religious social-cons by not bring it up. It’s too bad this issue captures so much attention. There are more important issues to worry about. Like 3rd world immigration.

    I do find it interesting that Trump went there. I had no idea his new base of support, which tend to be CosmoCons and TechnoCons, wanted to hear this? I had no idea these groups cared about such an issue. Then again, they tend to understand that’s what proles want to talk about. Maybe it needs to be brought up from time to time so wavering proles are reminded which party is the “baby killing” party?

    viceroy of the east side

    August 4, 2015 at 1:59 pm

    • Many are stupid and do need to be reminded. I remember seeing a 2008 poll where a large minority of pro-lifers actually thought that Obama was the anti-abortion candidate.

      Jay Fink

      August 4, 2015 at 11:18 pm

  4. I’m very disappointed that he’s posturing to the stupid part of the party.

    he has done nothing else. and why is that? because swank is right. trump is a classless imbecile beloved by the U.S.’s most classless imbeciles — low-class whites.

    Sanders is much better, which is why he has raised more than any GOP candidate and also why the media does not want to cover him.

    swank

    August 4, 2015 at 2:08 pm

    • The Republican Party, like all other conservative parties, is primarily comprised of the rich and the dumb. Conservative intellectuals make up a miniscule part of this voting demographic. There isn’t a single Republican candidate running who can win without pandering to “low class whites”.

      B.T.D.T.

      August 4, 2015 at 3:56 pm

      • You got it. While the NAM voting blocs of the Democrats, are pretty much stupid and credulous, and also ghettoish, the low class White constituents of the Republican party are equally stupid, if not dumber. Given the fact, that the Republicans haven’t done anything for them, like the Democrats giving welfare to NAMs, these poor saps are voting against their own interests.

        JS

        August 4, 2015 at 5:38 pm

      • How do you define intellectual? I’m an electrical engineer, and I’m confident that no one in my peer group has ever voted for a democrat. I am certain that none of my professors did (in the physics or EE departments). They were vocal in their contempt for liberals. I’m not denying that Rs need the rednecks, but “Repub voter = stupid or rich” is nonsense. Maybe if you replaced miniscule with minority.

        Copperhead Joe

        August 4, 2015 at 5:49 pm

      • ah, JS admits that he agrees with me.

        swank

        August 4, 2015 at 8:14 pm

      • @copperhead joe

        An intellectual is an independent thinker.

        Yakov

        August 4, 2015 at 8:36 pm

    • Conservative intellectuals make up a miniscule part of this voting demographic.

      exactly right. and if Trump gets the nomination, the party will be revealed for what it is: none of its low-class supporters hold the intellectual ideas trumpeted by its elite. they hold one value: xenophobia, and that’s it…which is why they vote against interest.

      There isn’t a single Republican candidate running who can win without pandering to “low class whites”

      the West rejected the GOP’s intellectual core ideals nearly a century ago. and the only way they have been able to maintain relevance is to pander to the former CSA.

      Germany is on track to reconquer Europe. The U.S. is on track for failure; but as a patriot, I can see that it has vast potential still.

      swank

      August 4, 2015 at 4:48 pm

      • It is not in the interests of the non-welfare poor and lower middle class to vote Democrat. If anything they are smart enough to realize it is unfair for the welfare class to have a higher standard of living (with a lot less stress) than they do.

        Jay Fink

        August 4, 2015 at 11:24 pm

      • That map makes no sense at all. The UK is at least as diverse as Canada.

        Rosenmop

        August 5, 2015 at 12:06 am

    • Trumps speaks to the populists, which comprises 70% of those not dependent on government largesse. So you are saying that 70% of (basically whites) are dumb. Only social justice types and social liberals vote Dem.

      CamelCaseRob

      August 4, 2015 at 5:35 pm

      • non social liberals tend to be on the prole side. i wouldn’t go so far as to call them dumb, but they’re definitely not cream of the crop

        GM

        August 5, 2015 at 12:04 am

    • Your mean to say that low class Whites are more classless than ghetto dwelling blacks?

      Please, take it back. Or else no one here will take you seriously.

      Diddlerontheroof

      August 4, 2015 at 7:18 pm

      • “Your mean to say that low class Whites are more classless than ghetto dwelling blacks? ”

        yes because they actually have the political power to improve their lot (and the country generally) but refuse to because it would mean improving the lot of those closest to them in status. white trash; it is to be despised.

        “Or else no one here will take you seriously.”

        oh no, not that.

        swank

        August 4, 2015 at 8:23 pm

      • Ridiculous. Democrats abandoned poor whites in the early 1960’s.

        map

        August 5, 2015 at 3:21 am

      • “Or else no one here will take you seriously.”

        Are there actually people here who take swank’s inane blathering seriously now?

        Mad Hatter

        August 5, 2015 at 9:21 am

      • no they didn’t. Democrats just tried to extend the welfare state to blacks. poor whites made it clear that they’d rather sink the ship rather than let that continue.

        swank

        August 5, 2015 at 10:29 am

  5. I would agree with maj that this PP story is a rathole that could draw down the Trump candidacy into standard Republican trivia. Trump should stick to his economic nationalism agenda: Stop giving away our jobs via immigration and trade. That’s what has appeal across party lines if he pushes it.

    Mike Street Station

    August 4, 2015 at 2:14 pm

    • I agree.

      Rosenmop

      August 4, 2015 at 3:17 pm

    • Its not the anti-abortion issue in itself, its his support for the unbelievably stupid tactic of shutting down the government over that incredibly divisive issue. That tactic has burned republicans badly every time they’ve tried it over the past 20 years, and would likely redound to the Democrats’ benefit once again, in addition to souring middle class social moderates who may otherwise be receptive to a populist economic message.

      maj

      August 4, 2015 at 4:05 pm

      • It actually hasn’t burned them. A year after shutting down the government in 2013, the Republicans had a historic, landslide election in 2014 (which they have since wasted, but that’s another story).

        Jay Fink

        August 4, 2015 at 11:28 pm

    • Just to add, there is nothing Democrats would love more than to have another fight with congressional Republicans over shutting down the government, this time due to their desire to destroy PP no less. Talk about a 2-in-1 issue gift for the Left: you get a resurrection of “War on Women” PLUS “Crazy GOP Wants to Stop Social Security Checks.” Right in the middle of the fight for the GOP nomination, thus inevitably forcing every contender to go on record either for or against the merits of the doomed fight.

      maj

      August 4, 2015 at 4:18 pm

    • I totally agree

      Way 2 gay

      August 4, 2015 at 4:56 pm

  6. No… it’s stupid to think that only your point of view is valid and not realize that other people have different values systems, and thus weigh things differently.

    shiva1008

    August 4, 2015 at 2:46 pm

  7. Ok, in all the threads on this no one has even pointed out the real issue. These prematurely delivered babies in many cases are not just being euthanized. In many cases they have to be stabbed to death, have their spinal cord severed, whatever works, since they’re just a piece of meat. So you people are not following the Golden Rule – that is, unless you would yourself want to be tortured to death until your life expires.

    The organ harvesting thing, it influences how they are killed. Again, the fetuses are not viewed as living things but rather sources of organs to be “harvested.”

    Obviously I’m wasting my energy here because people here don’t even believe in the Golden Rule, what to speak of more lofty ethical principles. You people are as bad as feminists when it comes to missing the point.

    “Yeah, the organs are there to be harvested, so why not make good use out of them…”

    Oversimplify much? Gloss over the real issues much?

    shiva1008

    August 4, 2015 at 2:57 pm

    • The fetus no longer needs its tissue, I don’t see why anyone cares what happens to it. If you have a mole sent for a biopsy, do you really care what happens after that?

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 4, 2015 at 3:11 pm

      • Well you will no longer need your tissue after you are dead so I hope you won’t object if the funeral home sells it so someone can buy a Lamborghini.

        Rosenmop

        August 4, 2015 at 3:16 pm

      • Tissue from dead humans isn’t worth that much.

        Have you signed the organ donor thing on your driver’s license so that if you die in a car accident, your organs can be used to save other people?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 4, 2015 at 4:08 pm

      • You’re eliding the issue as he predicted. The illegal organ harvesting requires less humane and illegal methods of abortion. You can support abortion and donation of fetal tissue and still oppose what PP has admitted doing.

        If this stuff were being done to Lion fetuses in Africa, the Left would be apoplectic.

        Dave Pinsen

        August 4, 2015 at 5:34 pm

      • Yes, I have signed an organ donor card. But I’m not expecting my organs to be *sold* to profit some sleazy individual. I trust that this won’t happen. (I’m in Canada). It is noteworthy that many new Canadians will NOT donate organs because they come from places where the government cannot be trusted and their organs would indeed end up being sold.

        And some funeral directors in New York did make a lot of money by taking tissue from corpses.

        http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/funeral-directors-plead-guilty-in-horror-movie-body-parts-case-1.587344

        Rosenmop

        August 5, 2015 at 12:15 am

  8. When I saw the headline I was afraid he had caved regarding illegal immigration. Wouldn’t surprise me if he did. Oddly enough Bernie Saunders has spoken out against illegal immigration, the old time leftists who actually wanted to help working people.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/259631/craziest-responses-bernie-sanders-immigration-daniel-greenfield

    Rosenmops

    August 4, 2015 at 2:59 pm

    • What I have noticed is, contrary to conventional wisdom, the extremists on both the far right and far left tend to be populists “for the people”. While the safe centrist candidates, you know the ” adults in the room” that aren’t considered “batsh*t crazy” work only for the interests of the elite.

      Jay Fink

      August 4, 2015 at 11:35 pm

  9. Microscopic people are not babies. The rule is: If you can squish them with your thumb, they are not babies.

    jef

    August 4, 2015 at 4:00 pm

    • They don’t have organs to sell, either. The real profit for PP is in selling off viable late-term fetuses that it dismembered.

      jimbo

      August 4, 2015 at 8:43 pm

  10. Again, defunding Planned Parenthood isn’t the same as banning abortion. Most Americans believe abortion should be legal, but most would be disgusted by what PP has admitted to doing in those undercover videos, e.g., deliberately delivering late term fetuses alive to harvest their organs, rather than poisoning them in the womb first to minimize their pain (and the pain of the woman, who needs to be dilated further).

    Since so many democrats have praised PP, showing it to be repugnant reflects on those Dems. It makes plenty of political sense to attack PP.

    Dave Pinsen

    August 4, 2015 at 5:18 pm

  11. I don’t know if he is being stupid here or not, but I am disappointed that he is saying anything that relates to social issues. He should stick to the populist issues.

    CamelCaseRob

    August 4, 2015 at 5:20 pm

  12. I would point out three things:

    1. Becomes? Trump has always been stupid in certain ways.

    2. Abortion is not a binary issue. Most people believe there should be more limits on the practice but want it to remain legal. Large majorities believe the US government should not be funding abortion.

    3. Republican primary voters are very solidly pro-life and these are the votes that get you nominated.

    dbp

    August 4, 2015 at 5:21 pm

  13. Maybe his comment was political strategery. Not being in office allows him to arm-chair quarterback about shutting down the government. I think people take it as blowing smoke rather than what he’d actually do. Meanwhile, he gets to capitalize on outrage and publicity over selling baby parts. Which might prove helpful in winning over evangelicals and snatching votes from other candidates. As I’ve said previously, I personally criticize abortion for my own family’s sake but don’t really want anything done about it. The cognitive dissonance of having it both ways irritates me when it’s raised by politicians. But I can tolerate it if he’s just doing it to appease social issues voters and convince them he’s an acceptable choice.

    destructure

    August 4, 2015 at 5:55 pm

  14. Trump isn’t perfect, but he is the best. Let’s see how he does at the debate. Who knows maybe the deterioration of this country can be reversed? I’m willing to take time off to volunteer for Trump, like bribing people to vote and driving them there to make sure the actually do. Democrats do and so should we. We can get tons of niggers and Hispanics registerd and vote for us. We have to get them some cash, food, booze and condoms, because we don’t beleive in abortion. What do they know? Nothing. My worker was convinced that Hillary was a Republican. These guys have no business voting, but if they do, it should be for Donald.

    Yakov

    August 4, 2015 at 6:48 pm

  15. On both the Bloomberg and the CBS polls, Huckabee now shows up in fourth place. That’s an interesting development.

    And now you know why Trump’s handlers want him to stand out on this issue.

    Plus, who knows how many relatively quiet Latino Catholic Democrats are upset with this issue.

    Latinos aren’t all pro illegal immigration and even though they vote Democrat this issue might disgust them. No doubt more than it does White liberals.

    Trump needs to get the Evangelicals and start positioning to attract Latino Democrats as well as those inspired by anti-immigration and economic nationalism.

    trump is a classless imbecile beloved by the U.S.’s most classless imbeciles — low-class whites.

    Well the Democrats have a 95% lock on America’s most classless, violent and stupid people – US born blacks.

    Each candidate and party has to get as many votes as they can.

    Rifleman

    August 4, 2015 at 7:32 pm

    • the difference is that it makes sense for poor blacks to vote democrat.

      swank

      August 5, 2015 at 11:11 am

  16. @Copperhead Joe

    “How do you define intellectual? I’m an electrical engineer, and I’m confident that no one in my peer group has ever voted for a democrat.”

    I define an intellectual as someone who bases their beliefs on empirical evidence or moral philosophy. To a lesser extent this can also include post-grad professionals. There certainly are conservative intellectuals but I chose the word miniscule because relative to liberal intellectuals their numbers are very small. I have noticed that engineers do seem to be en exception, as do surgeons, who both seem to be very left brained and analytical. However, by and large, the Republican party has been leaking brain power like a siv. Most all post-grad professional groups have been trending Democrat over the last generation, especially doctors and scientists who used to vote Republican.

    I think that this can be explained by the willful ignorance that the GOP on certain issues. Tobacco use, nutritional standards and now climate change are primary examples. Despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, Republicans always chose to ignore these threats, or at least downplay them, in an effort to protect the corporate oligarchs that profited from them. To people who think for a living this kind of stupidity is unacceptable. They are called “the stupid party” for this reason.

    B.T.D.T.

    August 5, 2015 at 8:11 am

    • They are right that climate change is bogus, but they probably got to that place for the wrong reasons.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 5, 2015 at 9:20 am

    • “I define an intellectual as someone who bases their beliefs on empirical evidence or moral philosophy.”

      Then, by all means, let’s delve into the empirical evidence concerning your comment.

      “Most all post-grad professional groups have been trending Democrat over the last generation, especially doctors and scientists who used to vote Republican. “

      It’s true that post-grad professions have been trending Democrat with post-grads voting Dem 55 to 42 in 2012. But most post-grad degrees aren’t “doctors and scientists”. The most common post-grad degree over the last 15 years has been Education i.e. public school teachers who are required to continue their education in order to get promotions and raises. The other big one is Business followed by much smaller numbers of Health, Public Administration and social services, and finally Engineering. which barely made the top 5.

      Now let’s drill down and examine these “scientists” who are supposedly “trending Democrat”. This chart shows the largest number of science and engineering post-grads are in Engineering. The only survey I could find is from Machine Design magazine which indicated engineers were Republican (42.1%) or Independent (33.7%) as opposed to Democrats (14.5%). But I doubt engineers are being included in surveys which show scientists vote Democrat.

      Rather, the most common “science” post-grad degrees are Social sciences and Psychology. Which I’ve read vote Democrat by a staggering 90%! Anyone familiar with social science and psychology majors is aware of what an effed up lot they are. Next on the list is Computer science. But those aren’t what most people think of when they hear the word “scientist”. Physical scientists or “real” scientists like physics and chemistry, barely make up 10% of science post-grads. I don’t really know the politics of physicists. My assumption is that those who work in private industry would tend to be conservative and those who work in academia more liberal. Regardless, I think this demonstrates the deception behind the claim that most scientists are Democrats i.e. most so-called “scientists” aren’t real scientists.

      As for doctors, this NYTimes article argues the shift has to do with industry conditions — there has been a major shift from doctors who own their own business to doctors who work for hospitals. This is highlighted by the money quote at the end of the article given by Dr. Kevin S. Flanigan, a former president of the Maine Medical Association who described himself as “very conservative”. He says, “People who are conservative by nature are not going to go into the profession because medicine is not about running your own shop anymore.”

      http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/30/health/policy/30docs.html

      I agree with him. While conservatives tend toward hierarchy and group loyalty they also tend toward individualism and free market. Universities and hospitals won’t attract conservatives as much as less bureaucratic free market options will. I think this is something that a lot of people overlook — how much personality and values influence what fields people are drawn to which, in turn, influences their personality and values. Police are a perfect example. I think everyone has noticed that there’s a certain personality type among police officers. Were they always like that or did their job change them or was it some combination of both? In the case of post-grads, you can see that the nature of the job and the conditions under which they work also attracts and influences personality and values.

      destructure

      August 5, 2015 at 6:31 pm

  17. Smart way to serve both sides. Pro choicers will probably get that Trump is fundamentally fine with abortion as long as it’s done tastefully.

    Titus

    August 6, 2015 at 5:32 am


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