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Debate: winners and losers


Jeb Bush: Saddens me to say it because I don’t want another Bush, especially not a pro-amnesty Bush, but he looks the most presidential of any of the candidates.

Chris Christie: He really slammed Paul and Huckabee. Especially Paul.

Ted Cruz: He portrayed himself as a real fighter for a conservative agenda. This doesn’t mean he has a chance of winning. He doesn’t have enough gravitas to win, but he did a lot better than I expected.

John Kasich: For a guy I never saw speak before, I was impressed that he looks more presidential than any of the other candidates except for Bush.


Scott Walker: He does not look like a president. He needs to get a real hair stylist for starters. Does his wife cut his hair? He’s in the big leagues now.

Rand Paul: He got slammed by Christie. Like a big fat man pummeling a tiny elf.

Mike Huckabee: He looks old and fat, and lost his exchange with Christie.

Marco Rubio: He didn’t do anything horrible, but given that he’s behind in the polls he needed a performance more exceptional than what he gave.

Ben Carson: Looks like he’s drunk or something. Even if the talking heads liked his closing statement, he didn’t show himself to be presidential.


Donald Trump: He was the most entertaining of all the debaters and had some really good lines. I love how he defended his record on bankruptcies and giving money to Democratic candidates. On the other hand, I don’t think he demonstrated that he looks presidential.


Among people who visit the Drudge Report and are motivated enough to respond to a poll (which does not necessarily correspond to a random sample of likely Republican primary voters), 38.5% think Trump won. Cruz is in second place with 15.89%. Bush is dead last with 2.54%.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 6, 2015 at 11:16 pm

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  1. Look at the Drudge Report poll. Trump has 45%! Fox News went at him hard, I think there will be a backlash.


    August 6, 2015 at 11:18 pm

  2. Jeb won?

    He sounds like a space alien.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    August 6, 2015 at 11:25 pm

  3. Did anyone say anything smart or interesting?


    August 6, 2015 at 11:36 pm

    • No. But they did all basically manage to get through the debate without saying anything overly loony, as in 2008 or 2012.

      Viscount Douchenozzlé

      August 7, 2015 at 1:41 pm

    • Cruz is always smart and interesting. That’s why no one likes him.



      August 8, 2015 at 5:34 pm

  4. “Jeb Bush: Saddens me to say it because I don’t want another Bush, especially not a pro-amnesty Bush, but he looks the most presidential of any of the candidates.”

    If he’s the candidate, he’ll be the last Republican presidential candidate. Ever. And I was a supporter of his *Daddy*.


    August 6, 2015 at 11:37 pm

    • “If he’s the candidate, he’ll be the last Republican presidential candidate. Ever”

      I don’t think he would be the last Republican Presidential candidate, but he’ll probably be the one that sealed the fate of the Republican Party.

      By the way, I didn’t get the “looks Presidential” thing at all from Bush. His constant use of, “gimmie a break” sounds scripted and forced, without even any sincerity behind it. You don’t make your case using that phrase.

      Mike Street Station

      August 7, 2015 at 7:01 am

    • You mean the last Republican Party candidate. As far as I’m concerned the last ‘republican’ candidate was Stephen Douglas.


      August 7, 2015 at 9:42 am

  5. Fox News now has a focus group where basically all of them liked Trump before the debate and now they all hate him. This is really suspicious. There are 100,000 votes on Drudge, and Trump has got 40%. What are the odds that all these people Fox News happened to get in a room had the opposite impression?


    August 6, 2015 at 11:43 pm

    • It almost felt like the Asch conformity experiment (groupthink). I did notice there was one brave fair-haired lady slowly, defiantly shaking her head “no” at Luntz’s questions.


      August 7, 2015 at 2:13 am

    • This fellow on Twitter claims the online polls are meaningless because people can vote multiple times:

      Of course, if that’s the case, that supporters of the other candidates could vote multiple times too.

      Dave Pinsen

      August 7, 2015 at 10:20 pm

  6. You’ve said a number of times that Cruz lacks gravitas. I just don’t see it. His main drawback is that he’s ugly.

    I thought Cruz won and Trump really hurt himself by not answering the questions asked, by being combative, and by not committing to the Republican Party. Walker was weak.


    August 6, 2015 at 11:45 pm

    • Cruz isn’t particularly ugly. None of them are much to look at.


      August 7, 2015 at 2:27 am

    • It will be interesting to see what happens with Cruz. My impression is that based on last night’s performance he won’t do terribly well in primaries, but he definitely did and said everything he needed to for re-election in Texas.

      Viscount Douchenozzlé

      August 7, 2015 at 1:43 pm

      • I think he’s waiting for the inevitable Trump drumpout. He’s easily the most conservative of the bunch, and stands to gain a ton of voters if Trump drops. He’s generally combative, and seeing his PC-approach to interviews and the first debate makes me think he’s holding off to capitalize later.


        August 8, 2015 at 5:39 pm

  7. I like John Kasich. I mean, I don’t like him a lot. He’s pretty likeable. Reasonably gravitasy. The media might pick him up as their preferred Republican, as with John Huntsman. I’m surprised how many people are like “Who is John Kasich?” He was a semi-famous back in the mid/late-90s when he was a top guy in the Newt Gingrich-era House. The media liked him even back then despite his association with Gingrich.

    Greg Pandatshang

    August 6, 2015 at 11:47 pm

    • I’d settle for a boring, pragmatic GOP candidate any day. We won’t get one, though.

      Viscount Douchenozzlé

      August 7, 2015 at 5:12 pm

  8. Drudge Report has a poll. Currently, 40% of the responders say Trump won. Who knows how many of them actually watched the debate? I’m not even sure it matters. People like Trump and don’t like Bush. You’re seeing a similar though lesser phenomenon among the Dems with Hillary and Bernie. People on both sides are angry at the establishment.


    August 7, 2015 at 12:00 am

    • Cruz is second and Ben Carson is 3rd. Trump won’t be nominated. It is unclear if he is actually a Republican. He blew it by refusing to say he wouldn’t run as an independent if he loses the nomination.

      Cruz-Carson would make a good ticket.


      August 7, 2015 at 2:34 am

      • But isn’t the question really about who controls the party these days? I’d bet that most of Trump’s followers are old fashion populist (read Jeffersonian/Jacksonian Democrat-Republicans), the folks who dominated this nation’s politics for most of its history and who’ve veered over the years between the parties. Trump is firmly in this tradition, so was Reagan. The Bush’s are the antithesis of this.


        August 7, 2015 at 9:50 am

  9. Lion tends to think you can’t look “presidential” unless you’re tall and Northern European.


    August 7, 2015 at 12:03 am

    • Up until about the mid-90s, that was how Hollywood presented it too. Every president in a movie was a white guy with a WASPy name, e.g., Bill Pullman as President Whitmore in Independence Day in 1996. Then, by the late ’90s, you started seeing black presidents: Morgan Freeman as President Beck in Deep Impact in 1998, Dennis Haysbert as President Palmer in 24 in 2001, etc. You could argue that they paved the way, in the popular mind, for Obama.

      Dave Pinsen

      August 7, 2015 at 1:37 am

      • Don’t forget President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho.


        August 7, 2015 at 12:11 pm

      • He (Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho) would be a good president.

        His Secretary of the Interior had a high-IQ idea.


        August 7, 2015 at 6:56 pm

    • I think Bloomberg comes off pretty presidential to be honest everytime I see him.


      August 7, 2015 at 4:36 am

    • Damn straight.


      August 7, 2015 at 7:17 am

    • We want our candidates to look like John V. Lindsay.


      August 7, 2015 at 10:26 am

  10. Rand Paul’s hair? wtf


    August 7, 2015 at 12:14 am

    • “Rand Paul’s hair? wtf”

      The afro is because he’s trying to attract the African-American vote. He seems to think he can turn Blacks libertarian and then ride into the Republican nomination on the primary votes of felons, blacks, potheads, and the millions of new Black Republicans he expects to attract.

      Mike Street Station

      August 7, 2015 at 7:04 am

  11. Bush seemed reasonable but weak. He has none of the charm of his brother or the gravitas of his father. He may be “the smart one,” but if he were actually that smart, he would’ve recognized that his brother’s failed presidency intrinsically handicaps his own campaign– probably fatally so. He should not be running.

    Hillary’s best chance of winning comes against Bush. Any reservations about the dynastic aspects of the wife-of-a-former-president vs. the brother-&-son-of-two-former-presidents will be negated in favor of Hillary. At least her legacy-derived power is associated with a generally positively-regarded time (the Bill Clinton 90’s), as opposed to the more recent and more depressing Bush years.

    Democrats will be far more excited about Hillary if Bush is her opponent. Hillary is indeed hated by Republicans, but that won’t be enough to motivate them to roll the dice with another RINO Bush. If it were, they surely would’ve held their noses and voted enthusiastically for Romney over the latter-day marxist Obama.

    Trump didn’t really look serious, prepared, or like he even really wanted to deal with this shit. He’d much rather prefer that they hand it to him and get out of the way. You gotta love that he basically admitted to outright influence peddling by trading cash for political favors. That was refreshingly honest, even if it was unseemly.


    August 7, 2015 at 12:38 am

    • Agreed about the battle of the dynasties, mostly. It might be that we haven’t seen how awful Hillary!! is yet, and ¡Jeb! might not just throw the game, so there could be a real fight. A fight between a weird empty suit with a mannikin wife and an unaccomplished global bribesville geriatric zombie crook with a perv husband, but one nevertheless.

      However, that’s just D-R gaming. In the larger scheme of things, I don’t think either of those candidates will be, umm how to put it, any good for the country.


      August 7, 2015 at 4:27 am

    • That’s a pretty good analysis and I largely agree, but I don’t think that Trump admitting to influence peddling really hurts him, it hurts the candidates he donated to.

      Mike Street Station

      August 7, 2015 at 7:06 am

  12. I thought Bush looked pretty weak. And in the exchange between Christie and Rand Paul the audience clearly sided with Paul, and I do too. I don’t think Christie earned many points for that. I agree about Huckabee; he did not look good.


    August 7, 2015 at 12:52 am

  13. One more thing. Trump has now gotten on national television and told the world that he has for years been giving money to politicians whose policies he believes are bad for America because they will then do whatever he tells them to to ensure that his businesses make a profit. Isn’t this bribery?


    August 7, 2015 at 12:54 am

    • Trump basically said: “Look, that’s how it works, us rich guys purchase influence from anyone willing to take our money, regardless of party. What’s the problem here? What’s the point of making a lot of money if you can’t buy politicians off?”


      August 7, 2015 at 1:05 am

    • Yes it’s bribery but that’s pretty much how American politics has worked for decades. At least Donald is out front about it.

      Ripple Earthdevil

      August 7, 2015 at 2:00 am

    • Trump says that’s what’s wrong with the system and he is going to change this. I dunno if he will. I’m voting for a wall on the Mexican border build and paid for by Mexicans. Nothing else really matters, even though he says other good things also. I just think that a guy who will do that will automatically be good on a bunch of important issues.


      August 7, 2015 at 2:17 am

      • Well, he’s not going to deliver on the wall. That much should at least be obvious.

        Viscount Douchenozzlé

        August 7, 2015 at 9:26 pm

      • @Viscount

        And why is that? If Israel can build a wall, why can’t the US? Until than he should send rednecks in pickups armed with shotguns and sniper rifles. Do you think coyotes will get by the rednecks? I don’t think so.


        August 8, 2015 at 10:23 pm

    • Bribery? Probably but it’s still legal. It’s also brilliant. He’s turned a liability into an asset. They’d be going after him for being a rich billionaire who gave money to both sides. But he’s turned the tables by saying “Yeah, I gave money to both sides. They were my bitches!” What can someone say to that? LOL


      August 7, 2015 at 2:17 am

    • 1. As opposed to the rest of the field, who have been taking the bribes?

      2. Let’s put him up against the like totally clean Clinton Foundation and see!

      3. Forget it Jake, it’s Chinatown.


      August 7, 2015 at 4:11 am

    • It’s not bribery. It’s extortion.

      “That’s a apartment building you’ve got planned there.
      It would be shame if something happened to it.”

      Extortion: How Politicians Extract Your Money, Buy Votes, and Line Their Own Pockets

      Nedd Ludd

      August 7, 2015 at 9:29 am

      • “That’s a nice apartment building you’ve got planned there.
        It would be shame if something happened to it.”

        Where’s the friggin’ edit function???

        Nedd Ludd

        August 7, 2015 at 9:30 am

  14. Trump being there attracted more non-Republican base voters. These candidates were all tilting towards the base, and the positions they were taking are kind of out of touch with a lot of independent voters. The hardline anti-abortion positions and de-funding planned parenthood I suspect don’t go over well outside the base, especially with women. The Mexican bashing certainly does not go over well with Hispanics and probably other immigrants too.

    I’m not sure how all the anti-Iran chest thumping goes over. To me it leaves me with the impression these guys are listening to the same people that got us into the Iraq mess and now they just want to bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. That just sounds like clinical insanity to me.


    August 7, 2015 at 1:07 am

    • The Mexican bashing certainly does not go over well with Hispanics and probably other immigrants too.

      It’s not bashing if you tell the truth.

      No such thing as Hispanics. People from other Latin American countries and Puerto Rico and Dominican Republic do NOT think of themselves as the same thing as Mexicans.

      Just call them Mexican and see what happens.

      People who are legal immigrants DO NOT identify with millions of Mexicans illegally streaming across the US border.

      Trump will get more “Hispanic” and black votes in the election than any Republican in recent years.

      He has a good effect on some people the way he offends certain White people. It’s about style.

      He’s a rich, unapologetic show off who is non intellectual and just wants results.


      August 7, 2015 at 3:47 pm

  15. Trump underperformed.

    Guess what: it doesn’t matter. A substantial share of voters LOVE him. And someone in love will find ways to ignore any unfavorable facts.


    August 7, 2015 at 1:22 am

  16. I would actually vote for a pro-Iran, pro-Assad, anti-Maidan Republican.

    But I do think that one tactic of republicans is stress how anti-Iran they are. That they have some to nuke Israel without regard to any retaliation. and they support terrorism.


    August 7, 2015 at 1:24 am

  17. Agree with your analysis completely Lion.


    August 7, 2015 at 2:56 am

  18. Too bad about Walker, whom I like. I’m chilled to the bone to hear the leonine verdict on Bush.


    August 7, 2015 at 4:13 am

  19. Trump is winning the Time poll too, with 45% of the votes at the time I checked:

    Dave Pinsen

    August 7, 2015 at 5:04 am

  20. I agree that Huckabee looks horrible. Old and fat.

    Just look at how much he’s deteriorated since 2008.


    August 7, 2015 at 5:10 am

  21. I also noticed that the Fox moderators went after Trump with a lot of intensity and asked him off topic questions (ie Rosie O’Donnel). Then the Fox focus group trashed Trump, but the Drudge poll showed him winning.

    Almost seems like this was an ambush orchestrated by Fox against Trump.

    I’ve been reading about how Rupert Murdoch hates Trump, so maybe he directed his company’s employees against the man.


    August 7, 2015 at 5:14 am

    • I agree. I think FOX decided to go after Trump by asking him embarrassing questions. Trump did a pretty good job of responding to these question and keeping his cool. I’m sure he is smart enough to have expected this kind of treatment from fox.


      August 7, 2015 at 8:49 am

    • No real surprise that Fox had the long knives out for The Donald,
      but Trump should have been ready for it.

      The boss at Fox, Murdoch, is an “Immigration Reform”/”Pathway to Citizenship”/’Amnesty’ enthusiast.
      The anti ‘open-borders’ argument has always been MIA at Fox News.

      Here’s Rupert in his own words:
      “Is the idea of immigration reform complicated by the fact that some immigrants went outside the legal system to be here? Yes. It is complicated even more by the fear some Americans have, quite naturally, of how changing populations might also change our culture, communities and economic circumstances.”

      “We need to give those individuals who are already here—after they have passed checks to ensure they are not dangerous criminals—a path to citizenship so they can pay their full taxes, be counted, and become more productive members of our community. ”

      Ugh! With allies like Fox & Murdoch, conservatives don’t need enemies.

      Don’t forget to order your ¡Jeb! Guaca Bowle only $75.00

      “Jeb and Columba love whipping up guacamole on Sunday Funday.
      Now, you can get in on the act with this “Guaca Bowle.”
      Jeb’s secret guacamole recipe not included…yet.”
      Available to ship: 3 weeks

      Nedd Ludd

      August 7, 2015 at 9:55 am

      • That’s a riot, a $2.00 bowl, probably made in China, that they’re selling to people for $75.00. That ought to tell you right there what Bush and the Republican party think of their own voters.

        Sgt. Joe Friday

        August 7, 2015 at 10:11 am

      • “We need to give those individuals who are already here—after they have passed checks to ensure they are not dangerous criminals—a path to citizenship so they can pay their full taxes, be counted, and become more productive members of our community. ”

        Trump has made very similar comments.

        Lloyd Llewellyn

        August 7, 2015 at 11:46 am

  22. Nedd actually kind of makes my point: 50% of the time, when people like Trump give money to politicians they’re playing defense, not buying favors. If Trump had put it like that, it would have gone over much better: “Look, New York is a one party state, and if you’re doing business in NY there’s no point in giving money to Republicans. All I’m doing is paying protection money so bad things won’t happen to me.”

    As for Bush, he’s presidential? To me he comes off as more of a Greg Marmalard character, the smug, unctuous president of Omega house in Animal House.

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    August 7, 2015 at 10:07 am

  23. Did anyone else catch Rand Paul’s assertion that Trump is in cahoots with Clinton- he said Clinton is in his pocket so whether she wins, or he wins, it doesn’t matter. Paul also said the US is funding ISIS? I thought this was a conspiracy theory.

    Trump did very well and the moderators were remarkably hostile toward him.

    Jeb sounded calm and presidential, but he didn’t really say much of anything either.

    slithy toves

    August 7, 2015 at 10:19 am

  24. None of these old farts know what is in store for the future? Most of the millennials see this as a clown show, at best.


    August 7, 2015 at 10:50 am

  25. Bill Maher says if Trump could survive the Fox ambush, he could go all the way:

    In case you aren’t on Twitter, on Friday, all the Fox talking heads attacked Trump for being mean to Megyn Kelly, and one of them, Erick Erickson, disinvited Trump to his big confab in Atlanta at the last minute over the Megyn kerfuffle.

    They’re trying to gaslight Trump to think that an intemperate comment to a woman disqualifies a candidate for the White House when, say, being credibly accused of multiple sexual assaults or spending 20 years in a racist church does not.

    Dave Pinsen

    August 8, 2015 at 4:51 am

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