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Liveblogging the debate

5:15 PM

Debate starts at 9 PM EST, stay tuned.

5:30 PM

I put on Fox News, and there’s a happy hour debate for candidates who don’t have enough polling strength to be invited to the real debate. What a bunch of losers.

5:35 PM

Lindsey Graham is the most boring speaker I’ve ever seen. Why does he think he can be president?

6:29 PM

My last comment on the happy hour debate is that George Pataki, who was pro-choice when he ran for governor of New York, sounded like a hard-core pro-life guy in the debate. Pataki apparently believes that you can’t win the nomination without being pro-life, so now he’s hard-core pro-life while technically not being a flip-flopper because he says that Roe v. Wade has been the law of the land for more than 40 years and it’s not going to be overturned.

Like all of the participants in this happy hour debate, I don’t understand why he thinks he has any chance at all of winning the nomination.

8:08 PM

Pre-debate analysis

Trump: Trump has the biggest potential to “win” this debate because the mainstream media has low expectations for him. The danger for Trump is that they will try to sandbag him with some obscure foreign policy question that he’s clueless about. Trump will need to rely on his exceptional bullshitting skills to escape being damaged by such a question.

Bush: The candidate most likely to make a bad gaffe is not Trump, but Bush.

Walker: He’s a good guy, but he lacks the charisma of candidates like Trump, Christie, and Huckabee.

Huckabee: I predict that he will do very well because of his experience as a Fox News political commentator. He could move up to second place if Bush makes a gaffe and Walker is perceived as being extraordinarily boring.

Christie: Christie rose to prominence in New Jersey because of his great debating and speaking skills. But he’s far behind in the polls and will need to hit a home run.

Rand Paul: Why is this guy running? He has no chance. He has his core of support but has no potential to ever get a majority of primary voters to vote for him.

Kasich: Um, who the heck is Kasich anyway?

The three black and Hispanic candidates: Carson, Cruz, Rubio: Who’d have thought that 30% of the candidates would be black or Hispanic?


The debate is “moments” away. Wow. It’s hard to believe that it’s finally happening.


That’s a huge venue. But the audio sucks, there’s an echo.


Jeb Bush is tall. Huckabee gained a lot of weight since 2008. He looks fat.


John Kasich is too goofy looking to ever win the nomination. No gravitas there based just on his looks.


Boo, they are putting Trump on the spot right away. He doesn’t pledge to support the nominee if it’s other than him.


Rand is attacking Trump.


Carson seems like a nice guy, but he looks nervous, and looking nervous never wins a debate.


Rubio has HUGE ears. He’s good looking, except for those Dumbo ears. He’s speaking too quickly.


They are attacking Trump again, making him out to be a misogynist.

Trump fight back by attacking political correctness.


Cruz’ chin looks like it’s all swollen or something.


Walker is attacked on having a crazy extreme anti-abortion position.


And Huckabee goes hard against abortion.


Kasich sounds pretty sane. He supported the Medicaid expansions in his state.


Jeb Bush supports amnesty for illegals. Yuck.


Trump says the leaders of the United States are “stupid” because they let Mexico send us their criminals.


Cruz sounds good on immigration. Too bad he’s too ugly to win the nomination.


Christie scores a huge takedown of Paul!!! Score!!!!


Just watched the ad for the Steve Jobs movie. That looks really awesome.


Scott Walker has a really weird haircut. And they make fun of Donald for that, but Walker has even weirder hair than Trump.


Christie wins the exchange with Huckabee about Social Security.


Trump had a GREAT answer when they asked him about his companies’ bankruptcies.


Huckabee had his first strong moment of the night attacking the Obama Iran deal.


Kasich does great on the gay marriage question. A+


Cruz really knows his foreign policy.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 6, 2015 at 5:15 pm

Posted in Politics

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  1. God they’re all so boring. No wonder Trump is killing them. One guy is like “I was in Congress and a doctor” and another guy is like “I have experience in the private sector and was a whatever.” Who the hell cares? As if anyone decides on that. They are just boring boring people.


    August 6, 2015 at 5:18 pm

    • Something tells me that Americans are so credulous, that all of this is a charade, and the loud Trumpet man is here to fool the masses, with this false hope of deja vu change you can believe in.


      August 6, 2015 at 8:03 pm

      • The difference is the media was all behind the “change you can believe in”. Obama was their dream candidate. They detest Trump. So in that sense they could not be more different.

        Jay Fink

        August 6, 2015 at 11:40 pm

  2. EDT, not EST


    August 6, 2015 at 5:19 pm

    • While we’re at it, another spergy nitpick: “Like all of the participants in this happy hour debate, I” is a dangling modifier, making it sounds like you’re one of the participants in the debate.


      August 6, 2015 at 7:41 pm

  3. And I’ve determined that Perry is a complete airhead. He stumbles, he can’t remember what to say, he’s either too nervous or stupid.


    August 6, 2015 at 5:20 pm

    • Perry: I sure would’ve rather had Carly Fiorina (points at her) debating with Iran than John Kerry! What? Why her? Bizarre.


      August 6, 2015 at 5:51 pm

      • I think Perry was endorsing Carly Fiorina for president. Maybe just suggesting she would make a good Secretary of State. Who knows.


        August 6, 2015 at 8:22 pm

  4. Let’s rank the IQ of those on stage. The undercard debate:

    1) Jindal
    2) Fiorina
    3) Santorum
    4) Pataki
    5) Graham
    6) Gilmore (don’t know much about him, just guessing based on listening for a few minutes)
    7) Perry

    For the top 10 debate

    1) Ben Carsen
    2) Ted Cruz
    3) Rand Paul
    4) Trump
    5) Christie
    6) Jeb Bush
    7) Huckabee
    8) Walker
    9) Kasich
    10) Rubio


    August 6, 2015 at 5:29 pm

    • Trump is the smartest, he went to Wharton. Carson belongs further down the list, he got into medical school on affirmative action.

      OK, well maybe Cruz is smarter, but he totally lacks gravitas and charisma. He has no chance.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 6, 2015 at 5:33 pm

      • Carson is apparently some kind of pioneer in brain surgery. More impressive than just about anything you can do in business or law, which is why I ranked him first.


        August 6, 2015 at 5:35 pm

      • Carson was a successful neurosurgeon, and I don’t think he’s any kind of pioneer. His scientific publication record is unimpressive.


        August 6, 2015 at 6:39 pm

      • “Carson is apparently some kind of pioneer in brain surgery. More impressive than just about anything you can do in business or law, which is why I ranked him first.”

        I know nothing about the medical field but I wonder how important physical aspects of performance — endurance, pure concentration, coordination, etc. are to surgery. I assume there clearly must be a high IQ floor to being a successful surgeon, but does being one of the best surgeons demonstrate as high an IQ as being one of the physicists, or even one of the best lawyers who need very high logical abilities and creativity in crafting strong arguments?

        I suspect Christie and Jeb are toward the bottom on IQ. Rubio too. Cruz was apparently smart in law school but every time I’ve heard him talk he’s sounded like a moron. You could say he’s very ‘Machiavellian’ and just trying to work his way into power, but if he were so smart he should be more successful at it.

        Rand Paul also has the doctor thing going for him but he just regurgitates libertarian boilerplate. His dad is clearly the better thinker but even he was a light-weight compared to prominent libertarian writers.

        Of all the major candidates of the Democrats and Republicans Sanders probably has the highest IQ.


        August 6, 2015 at 7:20 pm

      • Trump, Cruz and, I’m sad to admit, Jeb, are the smartest candidates.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 6, 2015 at 7:33 pm

      • Kasich and Christie sound reasonably smart, but I’m not sure if they rank with the other three.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 6, 2015 at 7:35 pm

      • I would say Cruz, Trump, Paul and Carson in that order. Christie is actually pretty smart but nothing out of the ordinary. Rubio is totally average. George W Bush is much smarter than Rubio.


        August 6, 2015 at 8:09 pm

      • Trump graduated from Wharton undergrad – not what one typically references with the word Wharton, which naturally is the MBA programme – and his first two years of undergrad were at Fordham, a halfway decent school that mostly fails at attracting halfway decent students. The guy is no brain trust, but he’s aggressive, dominant, and has a certain amount of fluid intelligence. Ivana, his first wife, is noticeably more intelligent than he is. Carson or Cruz for #1 and #2, then Paul, then Trump. Bush is a well-groomed windup doll and therefore difficult to place among obviously much less sophisticated people, but nevertheless unremarkable. Carson is mostly running to establish himself socially in Palm Beach and the things he says and professes to believe reflect that more than anything; whether his social ambitions actually pan out for him remains to be seen, but my impression is leaning towards not. Also, the fact that many of you are talking him down when he is the obviously most accomplished man in the bunch is reflective of nothing more than your own racism.

        As we’ve seen since 1980, though, IQ is almost totally irrelevant to the process of electing American presidents – and Trump will ‘win’ this debate.

        Viscount Douchenozzlé

        August 6, 2015 at 8:46 pm

      • “Sanders probably has the highest IQ.”

        Because? . . .


        August 6, 2015 at 11:16 pm

      • Who said that?

        Viscount Douchenozzlé

        August 7, 2015 at 12:42 pm

      • “Carson belongs further down the list, he got into medical school on affirmative action.”
        Perhaps he did get in because of AA, but he was still the leading pediatric neurosurgeon in the world, and the first to separate conjoined twins at the head.


        August 8, 2015 at 5:46 pm

    • Cruz is the smartest.


      August 6, 2015 at 8:35 pm

      • Has he ever not sounded like an idiot?


        August 6, 2015 at 8:52 pm

    • Carson was a successful neurosurgeon, and I don’t think he’s any kind of pioneer. His scientific publication record is unimpressive.

      Carson pioneered the technique of separating conjoined twins at the head. That’s certainly courageous and more impressive than publications from studies paid for by Big Pharma, many of which are flawed.


      August 6, 2015 at 11:09 pm

  5. I’m watching the undercard debate right now and it IS boring. Everyone is using the same lines they’ve already used in multiple interviews.

    Mike Street Station

    August 6, 2015 at 5:48 pm

  6. How is Lindsay graham even a senator? A closeted republican in a conservative state.


    August 6, 2015 at 5:53 pm

  7. Ted Cruz is also an affirmative action guy. He’s bad news. Green eggs and ham from the senate floor. What a loser.

    Carson did a pretty crazy surgery on Siamese Twins conjoined at the head. I assume other surgeons didn’t touch it for good reason but he still did it.


    August 6, 2015 at 5:57 pm

    • Ted Cruz is apparently really smart. Alan Dershowitz said he was one of his smartest students.


      August 6, 2015 at 8:06 pm

  8. This undercard is comprised by people wearing their ass as a hat.


    August 6, 2015 at 6:11 pm

  9. Graham brings every single question back to the Middle East and ISIS. He’s unhinged. Even when it was about Planned Parenthood he said look at ISIS’s war on women.

    Fiorina just said conservatives, unlike liberals, don’t believe some are better than others and progressives believe that some people are smarter than others. Weirdest definition of conservatism I’ve ever seen.

    They had a perfect opportunity to make news. They all say something stupid like “Career politician.” If you’re at 1%, why not try to make some news and say “unpleasant hag” or something cool like that? It would take you to 10% overnight.


    August 6, 2015 at 6:13 pm

    • Perhaps that’s why he’s running…to.get his war message out…he has no chance of winning

      Btw good idea live blogging lion.


      August 6, 2015 at 7:00 pm

      • Or to have an excuse to get a security detail . . . buff guys and all that . . .


        August 6, 2015 at 11:19 pm

  10. I would have been tempted to go to my mother’s to watch the debate since I don’t have a TV, but fortunately I got a compressor change out to do for $700. So good to be a prole! I will be following it on Lion and watch it on YouTube maybe. Donald is gonna make minced meat out if them, I’m sure of that.


    August 6, 2015 at 7:09 pm

    • All I can do is wish I had a compressor change of my own to do rather than watch this nonsense…

      Viscount Douchenozzlé

      August 6, 2015 at 8:24 pm

  11. “I put on Fox News, and there’s a happy hour debate for candidates who don’t have enough polling strength to be invited to the real debate. What a bunch of losers.”

    Damn, Lion’s going hard tonight.


    August 6, 2015 at 7:12 pm

  12. I never watch the debates. Life is too short. Though Trump certainly adds interest and I hope he leaves the floor bloody with the corpses of the other Republicans.

    Meanwhile, imma go out and get a drank.


    August 6, 2015 at 7:53 pm

    • I must say that not always. I watched Biden-Pailin debate with my kids and I don’t remember when we laughed so much or had so much fun. That was awesome family entertainment. They remember it till today. I think Donald is the only one that might be worth watching, though.


      August 6, 2015 at 9:20 pm

  13. Trump’s killing it already!


    August 6, 2015 at 9:06 pm

  14. I found a free “FOX news talk” stream!


    August 6, 2015 at 9:09 pm

  15. Jeb’s hard work earned him the right to be called his name. What a man.


    August 6, 2015 at 9:10 pm

  16. This debate sucks.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    August 6, 2015 at 9:24 pm

  17. “9:26

    Trump says the leaders of the United States are “stupid” because they let Mexico send us their criminals.”

    Well….we’ve all thought it.

    Mike Street Station

    August 6, 2015 at 9:28 pm

    • I’m not sure it is stupidity so much as corruption.


      August 6, 2015 at 9:30 pm

  18. Walker is going bald and it looks weird. He won’t get the nomination. He’s done.


    August 6, 2015 at 9:41 pm

  19. Christie scores a huge takedown of Paul!!!

    Not a fair fight, Christie has a 200lb weight advantage over the Elf.


    August 6, 2015 at 9:53 pm

  20. “I don’t think you heard me…you’re having a rough night.”

    had to admire this parry to Paul. totally dodged the implication about his flip flopping on single payer AND made Rand look stupid.

    maybe Trump is smart…


    August 6, 2015 at 10:00 pm

  21. Huckabee is too conservative, too out of the mainstream and kind of disgusting. He’s done. Christie has a bad temper that will turn too many people off and of course he’s too fat to be elected. Bush doesn’t seem like he has any fire. Paul got out argued. Carson looks like he’s on valium. Cruz is too conservative and weird looking. Trump’s mouth and behavior is going to cost him the nomination. And I already talked about Walker. So that leaves Rubio and Kasich. They look the best at the half way point.


    August 6, 2015 at 10:00 pm

    • Ugh. Rubio would be horrible. Kasich is a Republican governor. Republicans in general are just really good at running states and local governments, especially in Red states. Keep him as governor.



      August 6, 2015 at 10:08 pm

      • Yes, Rubio would be horrible.


        August 6, 2015 at 10:13 pm

      • You would take Sessions out of the Senate, where at least he can speak and vote against amnesty and visa immigration bills, to make him Vice President, an office that allows him to do neither?


        August 8, 2015 at 5:13 pm

      • The Vice President is, Constitutionally, the 101st Senator.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 8, 2015 at 8:30 pm

  22. Trump should have pledged not to run as an independent, and meant it. That was a really bad way to start the debate. I think Cruz comes across quite well.


    August 6, 2015 at 10:05 pm

    • I liked that answer. If the GOP runs some typical establishment guy like Bush I hope that Trump ruins the election for them.

      Jay Fink

      August 6, 2015 at 11:50 pm

  23. What about huckabees hair transplant


    August 6, 2015 at 10:14 pm

    • Huckabee doesn’t have nice looking hair. But his is much better than Walker’s.


      August 6, 2015 at 10:18 pm

  24. Rubio/Fiorina is the winning ticket.


    August 6, 2015 at 10:34 pm

  25. (Sigh)…..Cruz and Rubio are white, OK? They sure don’t look mestizo.
    The only non-white candidate is Carson


    August 6, 2015 at 10:38 pm

  26. didn’t stop Obama


    August 6, 2015 at 11:00 pm

  27. I think Trump’s intelligence is very similar to the Joe Pesci character in ‘My Cousin Vinnie’ or ‘Eight Heads in a Duffel Bag’. It’s definitely not book-smarts, but it’s effective in turning almost every social interaction in one’s favor. It’s much more context-specific and social, as opposed to abstract.

    Abundance Mentality

    August 6, 2015 at 11:07 pm

    • I agree. Trump can think on his feet, so to speak. Some of the others are just empty suits. IMHO.

      Where did we go wrong to deserve this crop of future presidents? Ooof.


      August 6, 2015 at 11:47 pm

  28. After watching the entire thing, I think Rubio, Kasich and Christie did the best.


    August 6, 2015 at 11:12 pm

  29. ‘Cruz sounds good on immigration. Too bad he’s too ugly to win the nomination.’

    Doesn’t strike me as uglier than any of the other candidates. R or D or otherwise. None of them is exactly well struck.


    August 6, 2015 at 11:45 pm

  30. 9:15

    Nixon is just too ugly to be president.


    How can you have gravitas if you’re a peanut farmer from Georgia?


    How seriously can you take a man who refers to his wife as “Ladybird”. Johnson needs to stay in Texas.


    A man who worked in a haberdashery? I don’t think so. And also, he doesn’t have a college degree.


    “Yes, he can” give a great speech. But the American people won’t elect a man whose name reminds them of Kunta Kinte. Anyway, everyone knows that Hillary has the nomination locked up.


    Lion throws internet tomatoes at Maryk and calls her a “smart alecky guidette” despite the fact that the above was intended as harmless satire.


    August 7, 2015 at 12:12 am

  31. Lion, Kasich did terrible on the gay marriage question. He accepted it! He said that he had just been to one and than went into the whole wining, sissy monologue of how he would love his daughters if the were lesbians. Nobody asked him about his daughters being lesbians, why he had to go there, are they lesbians? If you attend a gay wedding you are done in the Republican party and he is done, finished, history. Now, a good answer to the question would’ve been something like: ‘I don’t approve of gay marriage and it’s immaterial if the members of my family chose this lifestyle. I will not waver in my opposition. My religious or ideological principals would be rendered worthless if they could be altered to accommodate my own family. But I will attend a funeral of a person regardless of their sexualy orientation and the cause of their death.’

    I give him am F-, why did you think he deserved an A+?


    August 7, 2015 at 2:04 am

    • I assume that at least some LOTB readers will back me up on this one – Yakov for President!


      August 7, 2015 at 8:42 am

      • Thanks Maryk, but I’m foreign born, have dual citizenship, triple alligence and my primary alliegence is not to the US. I’m disqualified and in addition to that I disqualify myself.


        August 7, 2015 at 3:43 pm

  32. Nobody except Trump acts as if they know anything about foreign policy or are capable of learning from this country’s mistakes. A couple of exanples:

    1. The morons promise to supply Ukraine with offensive weapons to fight Russian separatists, while Russia is working on a diplomatic solution to the conflict. Trump, on the other hand, wants to engage Putin and have good relations with him. If he dies this, he may realize who are the hood guys in that conflict. Not a single moron has intelligence, honesty or gravitas or whatever to at least admitted the complexity of the situation. No, it’s black and white to the war mongering and billing morons sounding war drums, singing war songs and posturing. Meanwhile Russia, China and Iran are being brought closed together.

    2. Chemical weapons use by Syria. All the morons who weighted on the issue had only one thing to say: ‘I would bomb, I would destroy, I would put an end, I would keep my stupid, moronic word, I, I, I, blah-blah-blah, I and me, yada-yada-yada…..’ Trump, the only normal, sensible guy among total morons on foreign policy, had said in the earlier interview that I had provided a link to that Assad looks like the better guy out of the players


    August 7, 2015 at 7:29 am

  33. In Syria. True that, Donald. Ask any non sunni Syrian and they will tell you the same. Why would any normal country side with islamists against a secular regime?

    Now mates, tell me why would it be wrong for Assad to use chemical weapons against ISIS or Al Kaida? Why would it be the business of the US to interfere if he did? Doesn’t this country have a moral obligation to fight against ISIS that it’s moronic foreign policy had created?


    August 7, 2015 at 7:37 am

    • Because there are people on the right and left who buy into this idea of the “moderate” freedom fighters in Syria. I’ve never seen any evidence of this but John McCain insists they are out there. Moderates, as a general rule, don’t make good revolutionaries, so the only people on the battlefield are fighting because it’s something worth fighting for.

      I think there is a military way of handling this, by bisecting the ISIS territory at the Iraqi border, cutting of ISIS support to it’s troops on the Iraqi side, and going Fallujah on the Iraqi side of the border, and giving heavy support to the Kurds, regardless of what Turkey and the soon to be defunct Iraqi government want.

      This gives Assad an ISIS to fight that’s less powerful, so he might be able to make gains.

      But we’re never going to do that, so the second best option is hands off.

      Mike Street Station

      August 7, 2015 at 9:47 am

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