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Fox sandbags Trump

The Fox News trio sandbagged Trump at the beginning of the debate by asking the candidates to pledge to support the party nominee. It’s a question outside the purview of what reporters should be asking. Is it their job to enforce party loyalty? But it’s a question that they knew would be a huge loser for Trump no matter how he answered.

None of the other nine candidates had any reason at all not to make such a pledge. No one has any chance of winning the election running as a independent candidate, and it’s improbable that any of them could even obtain enough money in donations and/or enough volunteer workers to be able to even get on the ballot in all fifty states. And with the exception of Ben Carson, all of the others are lifer politicians who need to remain in the good graces of the party elites.

Trump, on the other hand, needs the option to run as an independent candidate as a mutual-assured-destruction insurance policy to use against the party elites who hate him and want him out of there. Trump’s message to them is that if you don’t give me the respect I’m entitled to as the leader in the polls, I can screw you over by ensuring that your boy Jeb Bush loses to the Democrat. So don’t you dare mess with me.

Unfortunately, Trump couldn’t explain all of that at the debate, so he just winds up looking petty and a spoil sport to the other candidates. At least he would appear that way to viewers who don’t understand the nuances of Trump’s position, which is the majority of viewers. I understood it very well, which is why I winced at the question and there were some suspenseful moments as I wondered whether Trump would cave in to the pledge only to be sacked later on by Republican Party elites who would be given the green light to run roughshod over him.

I should point out that if Trump does run against Jeb Bush as an independent and prevents him from winning, he’d be doing the country a great favor, because as I’ve written before, a President Jeb Bush almost guarantees that there will be amnesty for illegal immigrants, because the same Republican congressmen who would vote against such a proposal by Hillary Clinton would pass it for Jeb Bush.

The pledge question was shortly followed up by the mean-spirited Megyn Kelly question accusing him of being a misogynist, which, according to the mainstream liberal media playbook, is the second most evil type of person after a racist.

Clearly the goal of Fox News was to turn off viewers to Trump at the very beginning of the debate. According to the Frank Luntz post-debate focus group, they succeeded, but one wonders how that focus group was selected.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 7, 2015 at 10:23 am

Posted in Politics

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  1. Reblogged this on Arlin Report and commented:
    Yes, they knew how Trump would answer the pledge question. He had already stated as such. Moderators were throw gas on a fire. Trump is taking a wait and see approach, will the RNC be supportive of him? RNC expects a pledge from Trump, would the RNC make a pledge to Trump, to support him as they would any other candidate that would be the nominee. To pledge or not to pledge is really in the RNC’s ballpark.

    A. L. Luttrell

    August 7, 2015 at 10:34 am

    • The Republican establishment candidate should drop out if Trump runs as an independent…anything to stop Clinton II.

      cesqy

      August 7, 2015 at 3:21 pm

      • Good idea, but I don’t see them having the nerve to do it. Thanks for your reply!

        A. L. Luttrell

        August 8, 2015 at 10:12 am

    • Trump can’t make that pledge , it would be a green light to the other candidates and the RNC to attack him. Pardon the pun but this is his trump card .

      Zoey

      August 7, 2015 at 6:23 pm

      • And that is exactly what he is saying, not pledging gives him leverage, protects him. Remember he is the King of Negotiation.

        A. L. Luttrell

        August 8, 2015 at 10:14 am

    • Trump is so damned cocky anyway, he should have said, “Well, not if the nominee is Jeb Bush. I may as well commit to supporting Hillary, but I would likely support some of the others if they win the nomination and no, I won’t say who.”

      not too late

      August 9, 2015 at 3:57 pm

  2. I believe that Luntz focus group was carefully selected. While there may have been several borderline Trump supports, it would not take much to get them to move to someone else.

    A. L. Luttrell

    August 7, 2015 at 10:37 am

    • I agree the Luntz focus group was selected to humiliate Trump.

      FOX, Murdoch, and Luntz coordinated together to ambush Donald Trump.

      HomeDepot

      August 7, 2015 at 11:55 am

      • Thanks for responding back.

        A. L. Luttrell

        August 7, 2015 at 1:45 pm

      • They give vague answers. Also, these sound actors. We all know Republican voters don’t love the party. And these actors all sound like they are first and foremost committed to the party.

        not too late

        August 9, 2015 at 5:09 pm

  3. Megyn Kelly has gotten a reputation as someone who asks tough questions of conservatives (like she did on the Cheney interview) so I knew she was going to ask some purposeful difficult questions. However she was intentionally going after Trump. I think she personally wants to bring Trump down.

    “… because as I’ve written before, a President Jeb Bush almost guarantees that there will be amnesty for illegal immigrants, because the same Republican congressmen who would vote against such a proposal by Hillary Clinton would pass it for Jeb Bush.”

    I agree. It’s better that Republicans lose than win and be responsible for wrecking the country. Let the Democrats wreck it.

    Mike Street Station

    August 7, 2015 at 11:05 am

    • Haiti could’ve been wrecked by a hurricane rather than an earthquake; at the end of the day it would still be a pile of rubble.

      Abraham Lincoln

      August 7, 2015 at 12:28 pm

      • And that’s exactly the right analogy.

        Viscount Douchenozzlé

        August 7, 2015 at 9:27 pm

    • Megyn Kelly isn’t bad-looking either; although she’s pretty old and getting older.

      swank

      August 7, 2015 at 12:47 pm

      • If you don’t know how to use a semicolon, don’t use one.

        Dave Pinsen

        August 7, 2015 at 4:33 pm

      • if you don’t understand that the error didn’t lie with the semi-colon, don’t try to give grammar lessons; also, get a sense of humor.

        swank

        August 7, 2015 at 6:56 pm

      • and naturally, i didn’t bold what i wanted to bold. hopeless!

        swank

        August 7, 2015 at 8:28 pm

      • Ann Coulter makes her look like a turd in a basket.

        aandrews

        August 7, 2015 at 8:51 pm

      • if you don’t understand that the error didn’t lie with the semi-colon, don’t try to give grammar lessons; also, get a sense of humor.

        What was the funny part of your previous comment (the one in which you shoe-horned that semicolon)?

        Dave Pinsen

        August 7, 2015 at 10:07 pm

    • Meh, she thinks she can be as cocky as Trump, but he has more tough in his little finger than she has in her whole body. She gets easy soft treatment and thinks herself tough. If she had to play hardball, she would be out on three strikes looking.

      not too late

      August 9, 2015 at 4:02 pm

  4. Yes, Fox seemed set on making Trump look bad. Not so fair and balanced after all. However, if Trump gets the nomination the Dems and the other media outlets will attack him much more fiercly than Megan Kelly.

    Rosenmops

    August 7, 2015 at 11:07 am

  5. I agree that a 3rd party run would be a good thing. Jeb is wrong on all the big important issues. Trump can continue to shift the Overton window and make politics fun to watch.

    Shawn

    August 7, 2015 at 11:16 am

  6. As you yourself have said, Lion, eye on the Supreme Court.

    Imagine Hillary replacing conservative Scalia and moderate Kennedy with her leftist cronies, while maintaining the liberal bent of Ginsburg’s current seat for another 30 years.

    Fiddlesticks

    August 7, 2015 at 11:18 am

    • I hope Kennedy gets replaced soon. his opinions are terrible…

      swank

      August 7, 2015 at 12:48 pm

      • They are all terrible. Look at just last year’s rulings. 100% pro crony capitalists. Not one for the people.

        not too late

        August 9, 2015 at 4:04 pm

  7. This is a pretty insightful point.

    Trump also apparently didn’t become a Republican until about 2009.

    I’m struck by the appearance of politicians who are natural minor party supporters or independents in the presidential primaries of the duopoly. There is Trump of course, but the Pauls are really Libertarians, and Sanders is a socialist who has never pretended to be a Democrat in his congressional and mayorial races. I think its a commentary on how the two parties have made themselves the only game in town that apparently people have given up on third party and independent runs for office.

    Ed

    August 7, 2015 at 11:20 am

    • The Paul’s aren’t mainstream libertarians. A statistical analysis of politicians put Ron as the farthest right out of everyone who was in the house and senate at the time. Both are strongly anti-immigration and have introduced bills to stop giving citizenship to anchor babies. They just don’t have the sense to use make it the centerpiece of a campaign.

      T

      August 7, 2015 at 4:32 pm

  8. OT: look at what sanctimonious progs want to do when an entity actually follows their advice on diversity

    Fiddlesticks

    August 7, 2015 at 11:23 am

    • Yglesias is beginning to look like a youthful Hans Moleman.

      Glengarry

      August 7, 2015 at 2:08 pm

    • It’s why America can’t administer some sort of Swedish social capitalism like Yglesias and Bernie Sanders think it can, at least on a a macro level. It can work at the local level in homogeneous towns and counties. Once you move beyond that in America, you start running into large metro area American demographics. Sorry but the MTA or the Washington Metro could never be run like some upper middle class northeastern suburb. And forget about being run like Google.

      JerseyGuy

      August 7, 2015 at 4:59 pm

    • I remember hearing Yglesias speak in front of about a hundred [since it was confidential I’ll be vague and say] “math people.” He spoke about his book on rent prices. He got demolished during the Q&A session when they started needling him with straightforward questions about economics and price equilibria. Yglesias is probably great at fitting in socially and being a consultant for bureaucrats, but he seems unable to think like an engineer or a problem-solver. That might explain his numerous list of gaffes (they’re usually him being too much of an SJW). There seems to be a new one every month! Moldbug calls him an “intellectual crackhead.”

      narmno

      August 8, 2015 at 4:36 am

  9. The New York Post is also starting to attack Trump too (which is owned by News Corp.). John Podhoretz wrote an opinion piece saying that Marco Rubio was one of the winners of the debate. Seriously?? I thought Christie even did a better job than him.

    I’m really not one for conspiracy theories. I don’t believe Murdoch is sending emails to everyone in his organization. But I do believe that there is an implied assumption within all of these organization, and related entities such as National Review, to try and destroy Trump. What benefits Trump is that it is much harder for them to do this than it was even ten years ago now that there is so much alternative media out there.

    JerseyGuy

    August 7, 2015 at 11:27 am

    • JPod is a dishonest neocon, who promotes Rubio because Rubio is a fellow chicken-hawk and open borders shill.

      Dave Pinsen

      August 7, 2015 at 10:10 pm

    • John Podhoretz and the Kristols at National Review are neo-cons. They love McCain and Lindsey Graham almost as much as they love Israel.

      They loved the Iraq war and thought it was necessary for Israel’s long term survival.

      They would love a US war on Iran and we all know why.

      Trump doesn’t like McCain or his open borders and pro war agenda.

      So they hate Trump.

      Pretty basic stuff.

      The Podhoretz and Kristol families are long time neo-conservative, Israeli centric Jews. That is well known.

      Trump is a billionaire, rich kid with a New York prole love of winning, American nationalism and putting up a fight against anybody who wants to screw over him or America, as he sees it.

      Doesn’t matter if it’s Rosie O’Donnell, John McCain, China, Mexico, Muslim terrorists, American criminals, Fox News or liberal “wimps”.

      It’s a fight and he wants to fight and win.

      Rifleman

      August 8, 2015 at 7:12 pm

  10. The affiliation of the media is stronger than any candidate and Fox proved that last night. The second show of hands question should have been directed to the Fox debate moderators, ” Will you support Donald if he wins the nomination?”. I think the answer is obvious.

    cesqy

    August 7, 2015 at 12:23 pm

  11. Fox could get some high ratings by setting up a Megyn Kelly testosterone test.

    marty

    August 7, 2015 at 12:32 pm

  12. They’re all wusses on legal immigration. Walker won’t say anything explicit. Oh, he says he wants a legal immigration policy that benefits working-class Americans. That can mean anything. We already know that mumbo jumbo about immigration “being good for the economy.” Jeb kept calling it an economic driver or whatnot. Laugh out loud, I am staying home. I finally saw why you like Christie though. He’s quick.

    And when they talked about economic issues, I kept waiting. Here’s your chance to talk about reducing legal immigration, I thought, and drive up wages. It’s going to be another boring election.

    Dave

    August 7, 2015 at 2:43 pm

    • Walker can’t say anything explicit because of the Overton Window, so he sends dog-whistles (amazing how the MSM hasn’t picked up on this). He’d be accused of being a Nazi, and the Establishment money would dry up. Walker’s aiming for a sweet spot between the Tea Party and the Chamber of Commerce. The GOP nominee needs both to win. It’s the right move.

      dsgntd_plyr

      August 7, 2015 at 3:30 pm

      • It takes a lot of money to defeat a working-class populist. Remember Dave Brat? Trump is doing well because of his populist rhetoric. Right now is the opportunity for Walker to set himself apart. Trump is the front-runner. Walker can appeal to the donor class, have enough money to run–but lose. Or he can clarify his stance on legal immigration, make a big stink of it, make bold statements he can’t walk back, get a bunch of press, need less money–and win.

        Dave

        August 7, 2015 at 5:15 pm

  13. Fox went after Trump with pretty tough questions. The big gotcha question was suppose to be the promise to support the final nominee no matter who it is. Trump was the only one that refused. Fox probably thought that would a Trump killer, but I’m not so sure. Trump supporters like Trump because he is not just another Republican politician. He is running because he sees things wrong with both parties. Trump supporters probably like the idea that Trump is his own man and does not answer to the party elites. This may hurt Trump with some hard core Republicans loyalist, but it may help Trump with other voters. If Trump is going to win any primaries, he is going to have to inspire some voters to turn out and vote that would not normally do so, and this might well help him do that.

    Fox went after some of the other candidates too. They hit Walker and Carson with pretty tough questions. On the other hand Marco Rubio, the declared winner by media pundits, got pretty easy questions. I cannot remember Rubio being asked anything difficult and some of the questions were real softballs. Bush got relatively easy questions too. It looks like Rubio, Bush and maybe Kasich are the Fox candidates.

    mikeca

    August 7, 2015 at 3:39 pm

    • Bush was asked about supporting the Iraq war. But Rubio got all softball questions

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 7, 2015 at 4:37 pm

      • The Iraq war question should have been a softball. Bush should have seen that coming. He should have had months to prepare and rehearse an answer.

        mikeca

        August 7, 2015 at 5:12 pm

  14. “the second most evil type of person after a racist.” I thought that would be a transphobic.

    GeorgeV

    August 7, 2015 at 3:55 pm

    • “the second most evil type of person after a racist.” I thought that would be a transphobic.

      Most evil type of person:

      1 racist

      2 anti semitic

      3 homophobic

      4 Christian Southerner

      5 xenophobic

      6 islamophobic

      7 transphobic

      8 sexist/misogynist

      Rifleman

      August 7, 2015 at 5:07 pm

      • Anti-semitism can hardly be considered a big evil considering that Obama attended an anti-semitic “church” for 20 years.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 7, 2015 at 5:22 pm

      • Rifleman, you’d like to think that your anti-Israel posture (as indicated by your assertion on a previous comments-page that Republican politicians are generally “radical Zionists”) makes you daringly non-liberal, but in fact you share this posture with most of the people who see racism as Evil #1.

        Garr

        August 7, 2015 at 6:16 pm

      • Anti-semitism can hardly be considered a big evil considering that Obama attended an anti-semitic “church” for 20 years.

        I don’t know that many people see Wright’s church as anti-semitic. Anti-White, yes.

        Only irrational extremists see Obama as anti-semitic. The same kooks who think he is a Muslim Marxist born in Kenya.

        Rifleman, you’d like to think that your anti-Israel posture (as indicated by your assertion on a previous comments-page that Republican politicians are generally “radical Zionists”)

        I don’t see my self as “anti-Israel” at all. I’m not a kook radical zionist like certain Christian end-of-the-worlders or settlers in the territories but I’m pro Israel’s existence as a normal legitimate country.

        Republican politicians are generally “radical Zionists”

        Did I say that?? Of course they are Zionists. That means pro Israel’s continued existence.

        Republicans are whores to big business and Christian Zionists. But a lot!!! of money comes into both parties from super rich Jews and upper middle class types who make Israel their top issue.

        That’s simply a fact. I think your criticism of me is an example of #2 on the list.

        Saying antisemitism is not a major sin in American life is just not rational. Of course it is. Mel Gibson’s termination is just an obvious example.

        I think my list is pretty accurate. That’s why sexist is at the bottom, important but come on, women just aren’t intimating enough. And too much in fighting. Look how many hate other women, esp Palin!!

        Rifleman

        August 7, 2015 at 7:35 pm

      • Anti-semitism can hardly be considered a big evil considering that Obama attended an anti-semitic “church” for 20 years.

        It’s a big evil if the candidate is white, obviously.

        Dave Pinsen

        August 7, 2015 at 10:17 pm

      • Whether anti-semitism is evil depends on whether it’s coming from someone racist. You’ll have to consult this handy racism chart to know for sure..

        .

        destructure

        August 8, 2015 at 12:21 am

      • “Anti-semitism can hardly be considered a big evil considering that Obama attended an anti-semitic “church” for 20 years.”

        Although antisemitism is still on the evil list, it’s much lower than number 2 and dropping. A Christian southerner is more evil than an antisemite among the SJW set. Once antisemtism drops below islamophobic, then I think “Zionist” will pop up on the list.

        Mike Street Station

        August 8, 2015 at 8:53 am

  15. What does it mean to be sandbagged?

    Yakov

    August 7, 2015 at 6:29 pm

  16. Was listening to Bloomberg while driving, Trump is fighting back well. Fox guys are trying to sandbag the wrong guy. Lol. Donald is good.

    Yakov

    August 7, 2015 at 7:25 pm

  17. “I should point out that if Trump does run against Jeb Bush as an independent and prevents him from winning, he’d be doing the country a great favor, because as I’ve written before, a President Jeb Bush almost guarantees that there will be amnesty for illegal immigrants, because the same Republican congressmen who would vote against such a proposal by Hillary Clinton would pass it for Jeb Bush.”

    we have a winner.

    Prole

    August 7, 2015 at 8:36 pm

    • yes I find that very persuasive too, and I have never voted 3rd in 40 years of voting.

      Mrs Stitch

      August 7, 2015 at 9:36 pm

  18. In 1998, according to two sources familiar with the gift, [New York real estate magnate Charles Kushner] pledged $2.5 million to Harvard, to be paid in annual installments of $250,000….

    At the time of the pledge, Kushner’s older son, Jared, was was starting the college admissions process at the Frisch School, a Jewish high school in Paramus, N.J. A senior in 1998-99, Jared was not in the school’s highest academic track in all courses, and his test scores were well below Ivy League standards. Frisch officials were surprised when he applied to Harvard—and dismayed when he was admitted.

    “There was no way anybody in the administrative office of the school thought he would on the merits get into Harvard,” a former school official told me. “His GPA did not warrant it, has SAT scores did not warrant it. We thought for sure, there was no way this was going to happen. Then lo and behold, Jared was accepted.”

    Lion, you see from the above that Trump’s son in law bought his way in to
    harvard

    Wencil

    August 8, 2015 at 1:39 am

    • Like what’s the point? That’s how my Tajik worker got his kids into the best schools in Tajikistan. The difference is in the scale and US is way better than Tajikistan, but it’s fundamentaly the same – money gets things done. Who was naive to think differently?

      Yakov

      August 8, 2015 at 10:15 pm

  19. I was waiting for Faux Newz to implode, and here it is. A feminist on a “conservative” network? Its fairly unbalanced like the mental case who thinks a White beaner like Boosh can get votes. That guy Luntz is a real piece of work. Where did he get those “voters”? Central casting maybe. Maybe someone can find some of their other work from other reality TV shows?
    The Dead Elephant Party wants Boosh bad. They’ll take him all the way to the finish line, because politics isn’t about winning elections right? The Whig Party analogy is appropriate. I’ve never seen a party go so far to alienate their voters. Is the GOP a tax right-off for Sheldon Adelson now?

    Joshua Sinistar

    August 8, 2015 at 5:21 am

  20. Anatomy of a smear.

    Megan Kelly asks Trump a question that is mostly a angry screed.

    ABC world news tonight (and probably the rest of the MSM including celebrity news like Extra) runs the whole screed and touts it as “new complaints about Trump.” Trumps response does not even matter. His Rosie o Donnell quip gets shown (too funny not to include), as well as 5 seconds of the response.

    This happens ok many times to too many good politicians on our side.

    Rotten

    August 8, 2015 at 1:00 pm


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