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Trump wins, Jeb loses!

New NBC News post-debate poll!

Trump is basically at the same place, 23% vs 22% before the debate.

But the man who is presumed to be his main competition, Jeb Bush, has sunk to 7%, tied with Walker and behind Ted Cruz, Ben Carson, Carly Fiorina, and Marco Rubio. This amounts to a big win for Trump, because he didn’t lose any ground despite all the negativity in the MSM around his spat with Megyn Kelly, yet his main opponent, Jeb Bush, lost significant support.

It looks like Carly Fiorina is also a big winner. Although behind Cruz and Carson, I find it hard to take either of those two seriously as presidential material. If Fiorina can retain her lead over Bush, then I predict that the Trump-hating party elites will coalesce around her as their best hope to defeat Trump.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 9, 2015 at 10:55 pm

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    This was written back in 2005. She’s always on the list of worst tech CEOs of all time. She will get destroyed.


    August 9, 2015 at 11:18 pm

  2. The conventional wisdom before the debate was that Trump’s rise would help Jeb. This poll shoots that down. In fact, it might be the opposite way around: Jeb helps Trump by sucking in money that would go to more competitive rivals.

    Carly did well in the kids table debate, by most accounts, but on the same stage with Trump, he’d take her down a peg.

    Dave Pinsen

    August 9, 2015 at 11:22 pm

  3. I thought it was silly MTP ran with this. It’s an online survey (survey monkey) – that’s not very robust. I’m waiting for the regular phone ones taht go into RCP’s calculation.


    August 9, 2015 at 11:31 pm

  4. The other big loser is Frank Luntz because this exposes how unpredictive his focus groups are.

    But Trumps can’t celebrate quite yet because this poll was probably (largely) taken before his blood comment on Friday. Still the good news of this poll might overwhelm that scandal before the next poll


    August 9, 2015 at 11:39 pm

    • No, the poll was taken on Friday evening and Saturday, after the comments.

      As Lion pointed out, the methodology is solid.


      August 10, 2015 at 7:26 am

  5. Trump will use her performance at HP to destroy her and he will.


    August 9, 2015 at 11:42 pm

    • She’s arguably the best media handler in the race, and seems to share Trump’s resistance to apologizing for anything. Also, Trump criticizing anybody for poor business performance is so deep into pot/kettle territory I’m not sure he’d ever make it back. I suspect she’s more than prepared to defend herself against that sort of attack, especially from Trump. I can’t wait until it starts; it should be a lot of fun to watch.


      August 10, 2015 at 4:31 pm

  6. Fiorina is probably the leading contender for the VP slot, she’s the perfect person to attack Hillary. You can tell by her speaking she’s among the smartest in the bunch.

    Rubio is really beloved by all the pundits but it’s never reflected in the polls. Cruz is the opposite. He’s playing this Trump thing perfectly, by being the only guy not to criticize him, so he might inherit his votes. Cruz has also raised more money than anyone but Bush. I think he’s a serious contender. Kaisich is another guy beloved by pundits, not so much by voters.

    I thought Carson had the worst performance at the debate. He comes across as comatose. Absolutely no energy at all. He’s only doing so well in the polling and in fund raising for the same reason Herman Cain did well for a while. But he doesn’t have it in him to succeed in politics. At the presidential level at least. Maybe after this he can go run for Senate in Maryland or wherever.


    August 9, 2015 at 11:48 pm

    • Fiorina tenure at HP was disasterous. Also HP is a tech company they probably either offshored or used H-1B coolies so if immigration as an issue sticks she’s a sitting duck in a way no other candidate is.

      With the thoughts you'd be thinkin

      August 10, 2015 at 9:25 am

      • Yes, Fiorina became CEO because she is excellent at corporate politics, despite being bad at running a tech company. I suppose those same skills transfer to being good at political politics.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 10, 2015 at 10:27 am

      • The Democrats want as many immigrants as possible, so they’re not going to attack anyone for using immigrant labor.

        Politics is less about your record than how you defend it. I’ve seen her questioned on this, and she’s as good as any politician I’ve seen.

        The pundits love her, and Republican voters are desperate to support women and minorities who agree with them so they can feel good about themselves. Plus, she has the advantage of being able to be as aggressive as she wants in attacking Hillary Clinton.


        August 10, 2015 at 11:46 am

    • Rubio is really beloved by all the pundits but it’s never reflected in the polls. Cruz is the opposite.

      Lol. When I saw the media consensus was that Rubio won, and Trump lost I instantly knew Trump would stay in first place. Our media is so out-of-touch.

      Cruz’s surged surprised me. He’s ***terrible*** on legal immigration. He wants a 500% increase in H1Bs. That would be acceptable if all over visas were cut by huge amounts, but I haven’t heard him say that.


      August 10, 2015 at 11:44 am

  7. I think Rubio is the winner according to this poll. I am not a believer in Trump as a serious candidate over the long run.


    August 10, 2015 at 12:28 am

    • Ann Coulter’s impression of Rubio after the debate:

      Rubio is a field mouse. He looks 14. He’s well-spoken, rather like an ingratiating bell boy at the hotel, who keeps trying to engage you in conversation every morning, so you duck into the elevator to avoid him.

      Dave Pinsen

      August 10, 2015 at 2:15 am

  8. Not surprised. White peeps are livid at the GOP for consistently betraying them for decades.

    Watched Fox News Sunday and it was obscene how effete and out-of-touch the bewigged George Will is. Completely disdainful of Trump and his followers and coming real close to calling them racists Nazis (instead restraining himself with a comparison to George Wallace). According to George, the establishment Republican nominees are a cornucopia of substance and Trumpites are empty-headed vulgarians; when the reverse is much closer to the truth. The GOP’s reaction to this popular revolt of THEIR OWN BASE is not to recalibrate to suit it’s voters, but rather to somehow try to force their voters to get in line with the corporate globalist overlord mandate. They may well succeed.

    The corporate GOP establishment has no clue (or care) about the outrage against open borders, multiculturalism, black crime, welfare to low-lives, stagnant wages, feminism, Wall Street/coporate greed, and lack of affordable family formation.

    Not surprising since the establishment rulers are precisely those robotic corporate careerist bureaucrats who care ONLY about their power. AKA the Managerial Elite.


    August 10, 2015 at 12:38 am

    • The real history was that George Wallace rose because the preferred candidate was too far left for the Democratic base at that time. The solution? Get rid of the base, which is what the Dems did. However they were able to replace it. The Republicans don’t have a back up base.

      Mike Street Station

      August 10, 2015 at 7:13 am

    • Thanks for the heads-up on George Will’s comments. (I no longer have TV.)
      What a friggin’ school marm.

      Here’s the link at the Conservative Treehouse. The money shot starts at 4:33.

      Here’s the transcript of this prig, Will:
      (Or, as they said about Jimmy Carter: ” More Mush from the Wimp”)

      “These are voters the Republicans want, the Republicans want all voters, and particularly these voters, but to say that he’s tapped into something;… {shaking head} … Henry Wallace tapped into something, with the far left of American Politics in the late 40’s; the John Birch society tapped into something, George Wallace tapped into something, and it was up to the grown-ups in the labor movement in the late 1940’s, and the grown-ups in the conservative movement in the 1960’s to read those elements the riot act, and say: come back in, but come back in on our terms because we are not going down the road you want to go”…”

      Henry Wallace, The John Birch Society, George Wallace?
      Will stepped out of the Wayback machine.

      Apparently according to Conservative, Inc., you ain’t a “grown-up” if you support Trump.

      I can’t wait for the NH Primary.

      Nedd Ludd

      August 10, 2015 at 9:36 am

    • The corporate GOP establishment has no clue (or care) about the outrage against open borders, multiculturalism, black crime, welfare to low-lives, stagnant wages, feminism, Wall Street/coporate greed, and lack of affordable family formation.

      Of all of those issues Trump has only addressed one: immigration and he’s basically come out opposed to illegal immigration and for legal immigration. Calling women pigs is not the kind of anti-feminism this country needs.

      Lloyd Llewellyn

      August 10, 2015 at 9:57 am

      • Any tough-talking candidate who doesn’t focus on the danger of Islam in general and Muslim immigration in particular is a phony. Any tough-talking candidate able to afford a large staff of elite bodyguards who doesn’t focus on this danger is also a coward.


        August 10, 2015 at 11:27 am

      • Last statistic I saw 75% of lesbians are obese or way overweight. Is Trump wrong or is Rosie overweight?


        August 10, 2015 at 12:09 pm

  9. GOP will rally behind Carson.


    August 10, 2015 at 12:40 am

  10. There’s some real agonizing going on in DC these days you can count on that. All those K Street guys who got their jobs because of some Bush connection or the other are trying to figure, when is it OK to bail on the family and make nice with the barbarians without looking like a complete snake to all your similarly situated back-scratching colleagues who still have influence with Congress? Which mentor who got you the high six figure salary with XYZ lobby group will go ballistic if and when you bail?


    August 10, 2015 at 12:46 am

  11. So a kid comes home from school. He’s wondering where his mom and dad are. He can hear strange noises from down the hall, half muffled oomfs and screams.
    So he walks down the hall, and the noises only get louder…he comes to the door of his parents’ bedroom.
    He opens it, and he sees his father dressed like a pro wrestler and his mother dressed like bat woman, and his dad is really just going at it, pounding away. Shocked, the boy turns and leaves.

    The next day, the father comes home from work and hears strange noises coming from his son’s bedroom. Investigating, he approaches the door, and the sounds are quite loud. He opens the door to see his son having sex with his own grandmother. “What the hell are you doing!?” asks the father.

    “Not so funny when it’s your mother, is it?”

    That boy? Donald Trump.


    August 10, 2015 at 12:59 am

  12. What do you call a woman with two brain cells?

    A pregnant Carly Fiorina.


    August 10, 2015 at 1:00 am

  13. A little girl goes up to her father and says “Daddy, I want to go to the waterpark like all the other kids!”
    “Well, I suppose, but you know what you have to do,” he replies.
    The little girl gets on her knees and starts sucking his dick.

    “Ewww! It tastes like poopy!” goes the girl.
    The father looks down at her and smiles; “Your little brother wanted to go too.”

    That man? Jeb Bush


    August 10, 2015 at 1:03 am

  14. Lion, why are you allowing these jokes here?
    This is well below the usual quality of the Lion’s commentariat?

    Nedd Ludd

    August 10, 2015 at 9:40 am

    • Yeah, okay, now we know about jjbees. It is okay to stop letting him comment now.

      not too late

      August 10, 2015 at 2:12 pm

  15. Prole drift, maybe?


    August 10, 2015 at 11:13 am

  16. If Fiorina can retain her lead over Bush, then I predict that the Trump-hating party elites will coalesce around her as their best hope to defeat Trump.

    She’d get crushed by Hilary. Fiorina’s record is failing, on a massive scale, at HP. At least Trump and Romney were business winners.


    August 10, 2015 at 11:31 am

  17. Sorry to be a grammar scold, but you wrote that Lion is behind Cruz and Carson.


    August 10, 2015 at 11:59 am

  18. I predict the GOP will be 110% behind Jeb even if he doesn’t break the threshold of 1% in the polls, because its about principal dammit. Those donors aren’t gonna give money to anyone that disagrees with them and God knows none of the politicians could ever get a real job, so there you go. Ben Carson is probably going to get the VP spot, but they might give it to Carly because of her major qualification of having an inborn vagina. Trump can run third candidate but what do the GOP stalwarts care what the Hoi-Poloi think? Even if he wins, they can still drink and whore at the country club, well the ones Trump doesn’t own anyway. Politics isn’t about winning anymore, its about finding a patron that will put up with a whiny pussy as long as he’s a yes man who goes along to get along. And that right there is why I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN!

    Joshua Sinistar

    August 10, 2015 at 3:13 pm

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