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TOOS Romney vs Prole Trump

While Mitt Romney is too public to be out of sight, and Trump is too rich and too well educated to be prole, their respective attitudes towards their wealth is very representative of TOOS and prole.

The top-out-of-sight towards money is that it something to be hoarded and used when needed, but never to be shown off, and indeed wealth is viewed as something slightly shameful. If you remember Jamie Johnson’s dad in Born Rich, who stays hidden away in his mansion making oil paintings, and is annoyed at his son for being public about the family’s wealth, that’s TOOS.

Trump attitude towards is money is how proles imagine rich people to behave, but few rich people actually do. Trump is proud of his wealth and will boast to anyone listening how rich he is. While Romney tried as hard as possible for the voters not to know anything about how much he was worth, Trump has inflated the number to $10 billion, a number that that appears to be based on wildly optimistic assumptions about how much he could sell his properties for.

The irony is that Trump’s prole attitude towards money works a lot better with the public. By being ashamed of his wealth, the public saw that as an admission that there was something wrong with Romney being rich and that it was a reason not to vote for him. Trump feels not the least bit of shame about anything, an attitude which works very well in politics, where the opposition, and the MSM if you are a Republican, will pounce on even the slightest psychological weakness.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 20, 2015 at 2:50 pm

Posted in Politics, Wealth

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  1. Indeed, it is about psychological weakness, liberals turn to mush when you stand up to them. I saw Trump on Morning Joe today. A few months ago Joe and Mika were giggling and making snide comments when he was talking. Today, they were kissing up to him, laughing at all his jokes, basically trying to be best friends, even when Trump made fun of Mika for being obsessed with equal pay for women and saying how he wouldn’t legislate it.

    The question is why don’t these guys at the bottom with like 1% of the vote share just adopt Trump’s methods and positions. Bobby Jindal is trying. But I’m guessing if any Republican started making “racist” comments that shocked the media it would get them about 10%, which would put them near the top and get them in the conversation.


    August 20, 2015 at 2:55 pm

    • The question is why don’t these guys at the bottom with like 1% of the vote share just adopt Trump’s methods and positions.

      They want jobs in respectable establishment politics and the media.

      Lloyd Llewellyn

      August 20, 2015 at 11:33 pm

  2. His “prole attitude” toward money also resonates with members of certain demographics.


    August 20, 2015 at 2:59 pm

  3. Make a prediction now as to how much better Trump will do as compared with Romney in the EV.


    August 20, 2015 at 3:03 pm

  4. I would also characterize their personas as that of the patrician (Romney) vs the aristocrat (Trump). Going back to the middle ages there were two kinds of nobility…the Nobility of the Robe and the Nobility of the Sword. The Robes were the professional politicians and judges who gained their positions by their knowledge and refinement and saw it as their duty to watch over and guide society. In the modern age they became known as Patricians. They were often in conflict with the Swords, who were the landed gentry. These people gained their position by fighting for the King and became the Warrior Class, who eventually became known as Aristocrats.

    This feud played out in England between the Roundheads and the Cavaliers and later in the American Civil War between the North and South. The Northern Puritans embodied the Patrician mindset with their fondness for understated wealth and liberal politics. The South, as descendents of the Cavaliers, were heirs to the Aristocratic tradition. Aristocrats have always been more politically conservative, militant and masculine. In other words, they are kind of prole and enjoy prole pursuits like hunting, gambling and material extravagance. Fussell even makes mention of the uncanny similarity that high proles have with members of the Upper Class and this is what he was getting at. Many aristocrats are very crude like King Henry VIII and George Patton and are known for generally not giving a shit what others think. Trump is an economic warrior and an Aristocrat. Romney, at heart, is a northeastern Patrician.


    August 20, 2015 at 3:22 pm

    • Terrific comment!

      Prince Philip must be an aristocrat then.

      The British press says Philip is ‘gaffe prone’ but what he says aren’t gaffes at all; they are politically incorrect insults, and the press can only pretend he misspoke. Better he be a senile old dolt than the politically incorrect troll he actually is.

      “Can you tell the difference between them?”
      – The Duke’s question to Obama after Obama said he met with the leaders of the UK, China and Russia.


      August 20, 2015 at 5:09 pm

    • This is an excellent analysis.

      Donald Trump of olde:

      “According to legend, when Duke William II of Normandy (later known as William the Conqueror) sent his representative to ask for Matilda’s hand in marriage, she told the representative that she was far too high-born to consider marrying a bastard.[a] After hearing this response, William rode from Normandy to Bruges, found Matilda on her way to church, dragged her off her horse by her long braids, threw her down in the street in front of her flabbergasted attendants and rode off. Another version of the story states that William rode to Matilda’s father’s house in Lille, threw her to the ground in her room (again, by her braids), and hit her (or violently battered her) before leaving. Naturally, Baldwin took offense at this but, before they could draw swords, Matilda settled the matter[2] by refusing to marry anyone but William;[3] even a papal ban by Pope Leo IX at the Council of Reims on the grounds of consanguinity did not dissuade her. “


      August 20, 2015 at 5:32 pm

      • chicks dig jerks hehehe


        August 20, 2015 at 7:03 pm

      • jjbees – Don’t know if the Italian Side is telling you, to study Renaissance History!

        Lion’s comparison of Romney vs Trump brings us back to 2 writers of the Italian Renaissance on the ruling elites and political theory. The foremost was of course, Niccolò Machiavelli, and his lesser known contemporary, Baldassare Castiglione. Both lived through the tumultuous period of 15th century Italy, and each wrote a treatise on governing the masses.

        Donald Trump would fit very well with the narrative of Machiavelli’sPrince, acting out as a charlatan, who is a pragmatist, by fervently arousing the desires and fears of the public interest. He knows what they want, and know how to say it.

        Mitt Romney fits the profile of Castiglione’s The Book of the Courtier. An almost uninspiring work, in comparison to the hard nosed and more pragmatic Prince. In his book, a courtier is described as a person with an almost a TOOS like character; someone who is refined, educated, eloquent, yet unassuming (unlike some of the commentators here, who think TOOS is strictly about money). His strength is his charisma, and he knows how to use it, to charm the masses.

        Given the fact, that the general populace in the 15th century, was prolier than the one of modern day Italy, and our current population is prolier than 20 years ago, Castligione’s work and Mitt Romney’s style of politics were/are ineffectual and unconvincing. The only difference is that, the Italians during the Renaissance, managed to produce Da Vinci, Michelangelo, and the other great artists. We have nothing of this sort!


        August 21, 2015 at 6:34 pm

      • I someone today painted like Da Vinci, it would be considered kitsch and prole.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 21, 2015 at 6:40 pm

      • Slightly O/T, Lion – Has it dawn on you, that Donald Trump is a like New York version of the evangelical Jimmy Swaggart, if you know who he was? Just a great talker who knows how to excite the audience with his rhetoric, except Swaggart was subtle and mellow, and was often in tears with his Lord, Jesus thing.


        August 21, 2015 at 6:54 pm

    • Merriam Webster and the American Heritage Dictionary say “patrician” and “aristocrat” are synonyms and interchangeable. Under “patrician,” Merriam Webster gives this counter example to B.T.D.T.’s argument:

      “the Southern patricians who once resided in these stately plantation homes.”

      Mark Caplan

      August 20, 2015 at 8:20 pm

    • Could we assert that the majority of Meriproles are reflective of Trump’s core values, when it comes to wealth, who are usually middle class to upper middle class strivers, trying to become the nouveau riche? I would assume yes.

      I look at most of our liberal, bourgeoise centers as the consummate high prole towns, with a sole focus on frivolous consumption and/or material extravagance.

      There isn’t a stark difference between the White inhabitants living in Liberal San Francisco/NYC, and a Republican city such as Indianapolis, when it comes to consumption patterns.

      Perhaps TOOS and non-toos are the 2 only two definitive values of class!


      August 20, 2015 at 11:03 pm

    • Not so simple. The warrior aristocracy (noblesse d’épée) is older than the noblesse de robe, and by the early modern period, many descendants of the old warrior aristocracy occupied diplomatic and judicial posts similar to those that won nobility for the families of the noblesse de robe. Due to the greater age of their familes and connection to the medieval warriors, the refined latter day members of the noblesse d’épée had higher status (e.g. Uradel vs. Briefadel in the German states).


      August 21, 2015 at 2:29 am

      • I agree that the original argument seems off. I’ve read a lot of medieval history and haven’t seen this distinction raised much if at all. For instance, Henry VIII wasn’t crude at all. Not to people of the time. He was considered refined, well bred and well educated. Henry VI wasn’t a warrior, though his mother was, and it cost him but he wasn’t anything like a patrician. And, the English Civil War was a rebellion for power by a powerful Puritan subculture. I see nothing in Cromwell to make him more a patrician than Henry VIII or the Stuarts. If anything, the Stuarts, being monarchs and with their continental affiliations, would have been considered more patrician. Their opponents, the Puritan Roundheads, were proles and lower gentry and the forefathers of the Yankees. It was the Cavaliers, supporters of the monarchy and the Stuarts, who occupied Virginia and were the forefathers of the southern aristocracy which was the only real aristocracy during the colonial period.

        Northerners in this country are desperate to give themselves historical social status they never had.


        August 21, 2015 at 10:18 am

    • Amazing post. Look, I agree with JS in that American is very “prole” and watching television for more than one hour starts to induce vomiting due to the unseemly nature of a lot of America’s wealthy. Still, there is something in me, even as a Yankee, that identifies more with the traditional Southern aristocracy or “Cavalier” class than the WASP patricians. There’s something to the wealthy WASP patrician that seems dishonest and especially weak. Nothing against Mitt Romney or the Boston Brahim but it just seems to be a weak class. I think this has been quite apparent when being exposed to globalization. They don’t seem to be able to understand how to compete against ruthless countries who don’t hold the same values (i.e. China, Vietnam, etc.). That’s part of the appeal of Trump. I wouldn’t exactly call him prole. But he does have a warrior spirit and isn’t afraid to say things that might upset the international diplomatic classes. I really, really like that, especially regarding immigration and trade.

      Anyways, I’d be interested to hear from Lion. What sort of wealthily class do you find most optimal?


      August 21, 2015 at 10:59 pm

      • I am also a Yankee and agree with you on the essential weakness of Northern Patrician culture. They have grown hopelessly effete. For a truly nauseating example of this read Nelson Aldrich’s “Old Money” which is a dissertation on the Boston and NYC upper class and its love affair with its own hypocrisy. This phoniness again grows out of their Puritan roots and has given us the moral imperatives of today, namely political correctness and white guilt which have left them so emasculated that they can’t even reproduce let alone fight our wars anymore. Over the 20th century northern WASP culture has completely abdicated their former glory to ethnic minorities, largely without a fight. Their own utopian civility did them in.

        That is not to say that Southern Aristocratic culture is without its faults. The “culture of honor” has often bred brutality, ignorance and philistinism. They do at least, however, stand up for themselves and are willing to fight for their own existence. That is worthy of respect.


        August 22, 2015 at 8:57 am

      • The White Demographic in Meriprolestan, is set on a collision course of regression, due to 21st century globalization and evolution, as with the black one, which is a lot more severe, because of its inherent primitiveness.

        There is no difference between the upper middle class, White trash, that congregate in the Northeast, and the Southern Proletariat, in terms of their parochial arrogance. It appears that the entire Eastern Seaboard, being the oldest since the country’s inception, is set to implode, while the rest of the country is waiting nearby.

        Call me an Islamophile, but the Muslims know HBD, misogyny via feminism, and inequality, 1st hand. In terms of the other non-White demographics, Hispanics are generally a median group, not very worthy of any great achievement, and the East Asians are your consummate enablers of frivolous consumption and petty elitism.


        August 22, 2015 at 11:58 am

      • @ JS –

        If Muslims know HBD, why do they so often marry their cousins?


        August 22, 2015 at 4:32 pm

      • They know blacks are stupid and troublesome, at that’s good enough. Muammar Ghadaffi warned Europeans about flooding their shores with sub-saharan blacks. They didn’t listen to him, and he’s now dead, hence all the more swarms of black migrants sailing north of the Mediterranean.


        August 22, 2015 at 6:12 pm

  5. Oh come on Lion, Trump isn’t prole, he’s COOL. He’s like Don Johnson’s older richer brother who has a limousine riding jet flying pussy party good time. He’s the Ric Flair of politics man! He’s the Man! Stop being such an upper class twit. Nobody wants to be a Vanderbilt anymore. Pardon me while I play the Grand Piano is Beta Cuck Nowhere now! To be the Man you have to be a Man! Slap those sissies upside their heads, and watch those women spread. Trump may not make it past the Primaries, but he’s showing you the future. No more empty talk and nice guy bullshit. Its time to take names kick ass drink wine and get some!

    Joshua Sinistar

    August 20, 2015 at 3:28 pm

    • are you black by any chance?


      August 29, 2015 at 11:52 pm

  6. Slightly OT:

    If one believes in the notion of Donald as covert Hillary advocate then the possibility of this having been staged – given his incredibly callous response and the overwhelming historical tendency of South Boston proles to vote Democrat – seems increasingly likely.

    Viscount Douchenozzlé

    August 20, 2015 at 3:33 pm

    • The NYT? I wouldn’t believe them for a second.


      August 20, 2015 at 10:11 pm

      • I suppose we’ll see.

        Viscount Douchenozzlé

        August 21, 2015 at 1:54 pm

  7. Also, and more on topic, even wealthy old money (by American standards, anyway) types tend to feel free to flaunt their wealth among friends and, more generally, in settings among equals. They do, however, tend not to flaunt it out in the open.

    Viscount Douchenozzlé

    August 20, 2015 at 3:44 pm

  8. Regular black people want to be like trump. Glamour, glitz, all the stuff money can buy. White liberals think it’s all so gauche and you should instead use money to feed orphans. If Trump gets nomination people will be very surprised how well he does with black people. He speaks and thinks more like them than any Democrat.


    August 20, 2015 at 3:52 pm

  9. It is ironic that Trump, who is much richer than Romney, has pretty successfully immunized himself against the “rich-out of touch” argument. Hillary has to deal with that more than Trump does.

    Mike Street Station

    August 20, 2015 at 3:53 pm

    • I think Trump is more “in touch” because much of his wealth is based on real estate, hotels, casinos and such. This means he’s on the ground a lot. He’s a glad-hander. I’m sure he walks around his properties, shakes hands with the doorman, chats with the staff, and so on. He deals with construction people, decorators, etc. He can talk with ease to “regular” people. Even his “Apprentice” show put him into contact with regular types. And Trump wasn’t an insulated rich kid, like a Paris Hilton.

      This sort of wealth is very different from, say, owning a big chunk of Google, Facebook, Microsoft, etc. where you only ever deal with people in your own industry, or with top executives of major corporations/banks. Same thing if you’re a hedge fund manager. You NEVER have to hobnob with regular people.

      And he’s just not a snob. He’s not the type. I’m betting Trump knows the names and some of the life stories of the guys that pilot his private jet. And I bet Zuckerberg, Brin, Gates, etc. don’t.


      August 20, 2015 at 5:28 pm

      • “I’m betting Trump knows the names and some of the life stories of the guys that pilot his private jet.”

        No– Trump commands their respect (i.e. deference), but he isn’t going to be chummy with Little Guys.


        August 20, 2015 at 6:19 pm

      • aandrews

        August 20, 2015 at 7:38 pm

  10. It also has to do with the method in which they made their wealth. Proles and lower/middle classes understand wealth building via real estate (Trump) versus Private Equity.

    A HF/PE billionaire will face negative optics by the broader public if they ran for office compared to a Real Estate, Tech, or operational company billionaire of similar wealth.


    August 20, 2015 at 5:56 pm

  11. I propose the TIS for Romney and other famous rich (“Top in Sight”). Particularly for Romney, as, unlike other wealthy individuals, he flies commercial. There are lots of selfies on social media with someone posing in front of Romney waiting for a flight at a major airport.

    Dave Pinsen

    August 20, 2015 at 6:23 pm

  12. The TOOS neither have any shame about their wealth nor have they any patrician attitudes.

    What the TOOS are trying to do is create the impression that they are self-made, that their positions are maintained through their intellect and good decision-making instead of simply living off of their money.

    A TOOS, for example, may want his child to have an education, a professional career, skill sets, worldliness and knowledge because he wants his child to hide from the charge that he is where he is because of his daddy’s money. Yet, that same father will pay for the college education, the professional schools, the various bootcamps or supplemental education and training, hook him up with his connections, and bail him out at every turn. TOOS kids never face limited resources, contingency planning, serious setbacks or accounting for setbacks. They are engaging in an advanced form of hobbying while fooling the people around them into thinking they are something else.

    Look at how many young people in Manhattan pretending to be hipsters are actually living off of their trust funds. These people are basically scum, slumming it because they find it amusing.

    Trump does not do that. Ivanka is not a “hipster” playing house in Williamsburg. She is an heiress. Everyone knows that. The transparency is refreshing and people appreciate that. As opposed to listening to Chelsea Clinton talk about how she feels money is not important.


    August 20, 2015 at 6:51 pm

    • Chelsea Clinton is garbage, and I hate her phenotype. She looks like a dog.


      August 21, 2015 at 1:23 am

    • Yes. However, if you’re TOOS, read this for some reason and get the urge to be authentic like Trump … please don’t.


      August 21, 2015 at 3:12 am

    • a good video making fun of those kids you’re describing here:

      milliondollarextreme are a surreal comedy (more anti-comedy) outfit mainly purposed to viciously ridicule liberals/hipsters, bizarre, depraved internet subcultures, etc. what makes this video so funny is MDE did not set out to just playfully jibe the hipsters in this video’ you can tell they really hate them and want to expose just how obnoxious they are to the entire world.

      james n.s.w

      August 21, 2015 at 5:32 am

      • i counted i think two australian people in this video. are there a lot of australian kids living in williamsburg?

        james n.s.w

        August 21, 2015 at 5:34 am

      • james, ozzie kids are abound in that part of brooklyn. This is correct. We’re one big “Anglow-Proh-Sphair”!


        August 21, 2015 at 10:40 am

    • Mitt Romney also tried to describe himself as a self-made man. He did work hard to make his money but he got these opportunities because his father was rich and a former governor. Romney never acknowledged his privilege and that made him look fake.


      August 21, 2015 at 9:41 am

  13. Good post and good discussion. I like it when it’s about things I don’t know, than I learn new stuff. This patrician aristocrat differentiation is interesting.


    August 20, 2015 at 6:57 pm

  14. I see truth in Lion’s point. But Trump has non-prole dimensions. Among the more notable ones: taste in women. He leans towards hot, accomplished, smart women like Ivanka. Compare that to Bubba Clinton’s affection for fat, trash girls.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    August 20, 2015 at 9:33 pm

  15. Trump is the Rich guy people love. He’s not a stodgy Wall Street investment banker who sips champagne in a smoke filled room talking about stock options and commodities markets, he’s the J.R. Ewing of the Real World. He made his money the old fashioned way, by making deals and slitting the throats of his competitors. He’s like those wildcatters and gold miners who get their hands dirty to get what they want. He may not be the tough burly type like the Cattle dealers who had ranches like The Ponderosa and rode cattle along the Chisholm Trail, but he’s a Hell of a lot more man than milquetoasts like Mitt Romney.
    If the GOP had a future, this would be the guy they would want. A Capitalist who doesn’t apologize for being Rich and shows it off by throwing huge parties with fine women and fine wine at The Ritz Carlton, which he owns by the way. How the fuck can the owner of the Ritz Carlton be prole? How do you define prole?

    Joshua Sinistar

    August 20, 2015 at 9:50 pm

    • This is nothing more than branding. Trump inherited the wealth that built his business and prevailed during an era of unprecedented economic expansion in this country. He’s an obnoxious ass with no coherent plan for the nation and, more importantly, no way to credibly assure voters that he’ll carry out the little that he has promised given his lack of a political track record and history of total duplicitousness in his private life and career. That so many of you believe otherwise is frankly rather incredible – a testament to the quality of his marketing.

      Viscount Douchenozzlé

      August 23, 2015 at 12:58 pm

      • Your list of undesirable characteristics could be rightfully applied to virtually every major party nominee for president since Reagan. So, what is your point?


        August 23, 2015 at 11:40 pm

      • Actually, that is my point. Trump supporters generally want him elected on the basis of the notion that he’s somehow different, but all concrete information available points to a different conclusion.

        Viscount Douchenozzlé

        August 24, 2015 at 1:33 am

  16. Romney came off as an effete, uxorious, silver-spooned patrician wimp a la HW Bush. His personality is completely unsuited for politics. And his “corporations are people, my friend” philosophy would continue America down it’s horrendous course.


    August 20, 2015 at 11:12 pm

  17. Well, according to Donald Trump, Mitt Romney is poor. Tht could explain the difference


    August 20, 2015 at 11:24 pm

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