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Orthodox Jews for Trump

As reported by JPUpdates:

Among Orthodox Jews, the chatter around Trump, especially after his performance at the first prime time televised debate, has been largely positive.

The comments in Shul went from “Trump is smart” to “only Trump has the gutz to say what others are afraid to say out loud.”

One such vocal supporter is Larry Spiewak, a successful businessman and chairman of the Council of Jewish Organizations (COJO) of Flatbush.

“I like Trump because he speaks from his heart, from what he believes in, and he doesn’t owe anything to anybody,” Spiewak told Haaretz. “He really is a good guy. He really is a mensch if you sit down and talk to him. Is he abrasive sometimes? Yeah, but that’s what people like, that’s what people need. Why is he still ahead in the polls? Because he’s the Howard Stern of politics. He speaks the truth.”

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

September 1, 2015 at 9:36 am

Posted in Politics

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  1. This doesn’t mean much, given the fact that Jews continue to vote Democrat in large numbers, because Jews are also overrepresented as Democrats. To me, Orthodox Jews and the Hasidics who support the Republican party, are significant as Italians who vote for de Blasio.


    September 1, 2015 at 10:56 am

    • The Italian vote for De Blasio was pretty significant. They voted for him because he has an Italian last name, but they will NOT be voting from him next election.

      (Italians are a lot more ethnocentric than secular Jews, who voted for liberal De Blasio against the Jewish Joe Lhota.)

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 1, 2015 at 11:27 am

      • Do you think DeBlasio changing his german last name was a cynical political move?


        September 1, 2015 at 11:41 am

      • Probably.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 1, 2015 at 1:43 pm

      • Italians are not more ethnocentric than secular Jews. Secular Jews support a pro-Israel candidate, Chuck Schumer, as much as religious Jews.

        Italians, however, are likely to support the Republican party as a party affiliation. I’ve met a few gay IAs who voted Republican (what an oxymoron), and that tells you that’s where their heart is. In theory, Republicans no doubt, represent “Pro-White interests w/o the interference of non-Whites”, and Italians are very much Pro-White.


        September 1, 2015 at 11:49 am

      • Being ethnocentric doesn’t necessarily mean voting for a politician simply because he’s from the same background, but rather voting for a politician that you think will be good or better for people from your background. For example, the majority of blacks will vote for a white Dem over Ben Carson because they perceive the white Dem to be better for them.


        September 1, 2015 at 1:21 pm

      • I bet a lot of people thought De Blasio was a old school Italian (from Brooklyn) from Brooklyn. Little did they realize he was born “Warren Wilhelm” and is a SWPL from Cambridge, MA.


        September 1, 2015 at 3:42 pm

      • Secular Jews support a pro-Israel candidate, Chuck Schumer, as much as religious Jews.

        Schumer’s Zionism is milquetoast. He’s still agonizing over whether to support or oppose the Iran deal.

        The debate over whether liberal secular Jews are ethnocentric is over – A 71% intermarriage rate for secular Jews and a 98% intramarriage rate for the religious means the antisemites have lost.

        If you keep using moronic, disproven, arguments secular that secular Jews are ethnocentric then perhaps you should go post at an antisemitic blog where the white trash commenters are dreaming liberal New England WASPs – who have been marrying secular Jews left and right up North for decades – will lead a new Nazi movement.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        September 1, 2015 at 9:05 pm

      • The majority of the half Jew/Gentile hybrids identify with Judaism, and lean more towards their Jewish side. If that’s not ethnocentrism, then tell me what kind of behavior are they exhibiting.


        September 2, 2015 at 1:46 pm

      • I doubt they keep kosher. Maybe just the SWPL tendency to be more interested in the more exotic religion over the whitebread boring Protestant religion.

        Get back to me when they dress in black and white and have long beards.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 2, 2015 at 3:57 pm

      • Donald Trump’s son in law, Jared Kushner, considers himself Jewish, despite being half Jewish from his father’s side, and is married to a non-Jew, who converted to Judaism. And there are many of these marriage arrangements, where there is a wholesale identification with the Jewish side.


        September 2, 2015 at 1:49 pm

      • The Kushner Trump thing is weird. Very few gentile girls convert to Judaism the Orthodox way.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 2, 2015 at 3:58 pm

      • Why weird? If the father can be smart and sincere, why can’t the daughter? She is orthodox light, it’s not that hard to be.


        September 2, 2015 at 4:39 pm

      • The majority of the half Jew/Gentile hybrids identify with Judaism,

        Not always. 30-50% of half Jews don’t identify as Jewish.

        If that’s not ethnocentrism, then tell me what kind of behavior are they exhibiting.

        You continue to fail to show why Jewish ethnocentrism is politically bad – Ethnocentrism is the behavior of conservative Jews.

        Which group of Jews is more ethnocentric, Paul Krugman and Tom Friedman or Netanyahu and Avigdor Lieberman?

        The Undiscovered Jew

        September 2, 2015 at 10:56 pm

      • Very few gentile girls convert to Judaism the Orthodox way.

        Former Orthodox Jews like Kushner and practicing Orthodox Jews like Sasha Baron Cohen who marry gentiles seem to insist their wives convert to some denomination of Judaism.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        September 2, 2015 at 10:58 pm

      • That’s because they feel quilty, and rightfully so. The fictitious conversions don’t rectify the situation, though.


        September 3, 2015 at 9:15 am

      • The fictitious conversions don’t rectify the situation, though.

        Ivanka however does seem to enjoy practicing Judaism, granted not as strictly as the Orthodox Judaism Kushner used to observe.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        September 3, 2015 at 11:06 pm

      • Joe Llota was Jewish? I just looked him up. He’s 1/4 on maternal side which technically makes him a Jew but he was raised Catholic. The name, the face, the way of talking, didnt ring Jewish to me or anybody else I know. But youre right, the half Jew Barry Goldwater had very few Jews voting for him. On the other hand, a large majority of white southerners voted for him.


        September 6, 2015 at 7:55 pm

    • Of course it doesn’t mean much. Jews are what, 2% of the US population? And the Orthodox are only a fraction of that 2%. Jews don’t swing the election.


      September 1, 2015 at 12:05 pm

    • How many/what percent of secular Jews would vote R if it meant stronger support for Israel?

      Half Canadian

      September 1, 2015 at 1:41 pm

      • Not many. They voted for Obama who has been worse for Israel than any American president before him.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 1, 2015 at 1:47 pm

  2. Dilbert creator Scott Adams owns an impressive intellect. He sees and explains the method behind Trump’s supposed off-the-cuff, spontaneous remarks, the same remarks the MSM and elite opinion makers scoff at as blunders.

    Trump vs Bush: Persuasion Wars.

    Also, google “Clown Genius.”

    Mark Caplan

    September 1, 2015 at 11:59 am

    • In one of those Trump posts Adams mentions that he would like to employ the children of illegal immigrants. This being because the parents have guts enough to break US laws, so their children should be real go-getters.

      I am not the most discerning person in the world, but to me that sounds sappy, and dumb.


      September 1, 2015 at 2:34 pm

      • Thanks for pointing out Scott Adam’s asinine view of the children of illegal immigrants. Mea culpa.

        Mark Caplan

        September 1, 2015 at 5:38 pm

      • “go-getters” how? Breaking the rules to personal advantage does not a good employee make.


        September 1, 2015 at 5:47 pm

      • He is an idiot, obviously. Now escaping from Stalin’s Soviet Union that is a different story. Read ‘El Campesino’ an autobiography of a Spanish communist general, his disappointment with the Soviet reality, and his successful escape after having failed on his first attempt. JS, it’s especially good for you to read how a real man interacts with women.

        My illegal worker had the hutzpa to go to DMV and demand to take a driving test because he had read in some Russian newspaper that NY State started issuing driver’s licenses to illegals. When told no, he raised quite a hell and got to ‘speak’ (whatever that is supposed to mean because he doesn’t speak English) to the manager. Now this is real hutzpa. So I asked him how they treated him at DMV? Everyone was very nice! I can understand illegals coming here to make a better life for themselves, but to act like you own the place? Like America isn’t a sovereign nation? It has no borders and no laws? It owes you something? Any bastard can just walk over the border or overstay his visa and start demanding rights? I wanna fire him, but I don’t think I will once I calm down. Oh, and the written test is of course in Russian. Trump is the only hope, and I mean it.


        September 1, 2015 at 9:47 pm

    • “JS, it’s especially good for you to read how a real man interacts with women.” isn’t JS the one who discusses french philosophy with french girls?


      September 3, 2015 at 1:30 am

      • As it turned out, the ‘French philosophy’ was American bashing by a French shrink. I wonder who the French girls realy were? Canadians maybe? But even they just listen in awe.

        The book is amazing. Read it. El Campesino is a striking character.


        September 3, 2015 at 11:22 am

  3. the orthodox are yet another example of the imperfect correlation between IQ and income/wealth, and how smart people sometimes choose to be poor.

    or is judaism like christianity, where the fundamentalists are the dumb ones, and have been the dumb ones for several generations up to now?

    kim jong un

    September 1, 2015 at 1:53 pm

    • It’s a matter of priorities. The secular Jews of great wealth and small families in America are descended from people that were poorer, had larger families and were more religious.


      September 1, 2015 at 5:51 pm

  4. Wish I’d known this two nights ago, when a waitress at an Italian restaurant told me she could never vote for Trump. I would have said, “Oh, so you’re anti-semitic?”


    September 1, 2015 at 4:51 pm

  5. Hassidic and ultra-orthodox Jews sympathize with Republicans, but vote as a block for the highest bidder. That bidder is usually a Democrat. They benefit from the government social programs and are interested in their expansion. They also try to ally themselves with the winner and that winner is usually a Democrat in the jurisdictions that they live in. They don’t have a concept of citizenship, patriotism and of putting country’s interests above their own. To them elections is about what benefits can be squeezed out of the process. They have the same attitude anywhere they live, including Israel.

    It’s realy government’s fault. The schools should be required to teach citizenship and American history from a patriotic angel. Anybody who doesn’t have a good knowledge of the English language, Constitution, American Revolution and history shouldn’t be allowed to vote or become a citizen regardless of race or religion.


    September 1, 2015 at 10:21 pm

    • Most schools used to teach civics in High School, but I doubt very many do now. A couple of decades ago, there was a societal consensus on what the Constitution, good citizenship, and America was all about. That consensus has broken down. I think it’s probably too late to bring civics back since if they did, it would probably just turn into a high school version of a college level grievance studies course. Better to do without than have that.

      Mike Street Station

      September 2, 2015 at 11:46 am

      • I have ‘Elementary Catechism on the Constitution of the United States’ from 1832. Very good book, better than anything they have today. Trump should bring it back into curriculum.


        September 3, 2015 at 11:31 pm

    • Wow, Yakov, you really have no idea what you’re talking about. First you claim Sasha Baron Cohen is Orthodox, which is patently absurd given his disgusting onscreen antics. Now you’re claiming Orthodox and Hasidism vote Democrat. Are you just making this up as you go along?

      Big J

      September 3, 2015 at 9:58 am

      • I was only referring to Jared and Ivanka, never said anything about anyone else being orthodox. Pay attention when you read. Orthodox Jewish voting patterns are available on line and are common knowledge, I was explaining their motivation and contradictory behaviour.


        September 3, 2015 at 11:08 am

      • Enlighten me, Yakov. How else is someone supposed to interpret your statement that “..Former Orthodox Jews like Kushner and practicing Orthodox Jews like Sasha Baron Cohen…”??

        Big J

        September 3, 2015 at 5:29 pm

      • You are confusing me with the undiscovered Jew. I told pay attention when you read, but you just don’t. I’m the discovered, not the undiscovered Jew.


        September 3, 2015 at 8:56 pm

      • My bad. Oops. You are indeed a discovered Jew. And an obnoxious one, to boot. And if you think being Orthodox light is easy, I urge you to try it. You might feel a bit differently after a 3-day Rosh Hashanah lockdown, or trying to find kosher food in a place like San Francisco. Let me know how that works out for you.

        Big J

        September 5, 2015 at 1:31 pm

      • I’m Orthodox regular and it’s fine. There is no lock down, I go to a place where we finish our business in 2,5 hours and I have the rest of the day to learn. You don’t have to spend the whole day in synagogue praying and chanting or listening to singing, if that doesn’t grab you. Also, I do atleast 3 miles of walking and don’t overeat so that after Rosh Hashanah I’m rested, invigorated and hit the gym like an animal. Rosh Hashanah is about recognizing and proclaiming God’s Kingdom, not fressing and suffering.


        September 5, 2015 at 9:27 pm

      • Well, I have 5 young boys, so any 2-3 day stretch without electronic pacification feels very much like lockdown, no matter the original intent.

        Big J

        September 6, 2015 at 5:56 am

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