Lion of the Blogosphere

The power of social proof

From a 2010 Wall Street Journal article:

The second paper described a study involving public-service messages hung on the doorknobs of several hundred middle-class homes in San Marcos, Calif. All urged residents to use fans instead of air conditioning, but they gave different reasons for doing so.

Some residents learned they could save $54 a month on their utility bill. Others, that they could prevent the release of 262 pounds of greenhouse gases per month. A third group was told it was the socially responsible thing to do. And a fourth group was informed that 77% of their neighbors already used fans instead of air conditioning, a decision described as “your community’s popular choice!”

Meter readings found that those presented with the “everyone’s doing it” argument reduced their energy consumption by 10% compared with a control group. No other group reduced energy use by more than 3% compared with the control group.

Thus we see that logical arguments for using fans instead of air conditioning, even the very powerful logical argument that you could save $54/month, failed to have a significant change on behavior. But a message about what other people are doing (which may not have even been true as far as we know) caused a 10% reduction in energy use.

Thus we see that the way to influence people is not by logical arguments, but to convince them that other people are doing what you want them to do.

Liberals understand social proof better than conservatives. Showing cool gay characters in popular TV shows, with no special message, was massively more effective in mainstreaming acceptance of gays than any number of op-eds in newspapers trying to explain why it’s morally wrong to deny gays the “right” to marriage.

The whole global warming scam is based on convincing people that there’s a “consensus” about global warming, and you’re part of the minority of stupid people if you don’t get with the program.

Humans have obviously evolved to value social proof more than logic. Evolution favors those who have the most children and the most grandchildren, and not those who have the correct beliefs (so long as incorrect beliefs don’t prevent you from having children and grandchildren).

The way to convince people of the truth of HBD, or anything else for that matter, is not to make logical arguments, but to try to make people believe that HBD is what other people believe. The following advice was previously written, and it’s still good advice:

The only way to spread the truth of HBD is, ironically, to lie a little. You need to make up stories which demonstrate to people that belief in HBD is common, but just suppressed. And that such belief is not common among skinheads, but rather among smart people, people just like you, people who vote for Democrats and who recycle and eat organic food.

A story about how you used to believe that HBD was racist nonsense because that’s what your sociology professors said when you attended Brown, but then you had doubts so you were motivated to discover the truth, and now you hide it from everyone because you don’t want to lose your job at the art museum, but you once discussed the topic with your closest friend while you were drunk, and you discovered that he also believed in HBD but also kept it a secret. A story like this is a hundred times more potent then quoting facts from The g Factor.

Use the power of sock puppets. Don’t get into online arguments with people. It’s much more powerful to simply log in as a different user and say that you agree with your other persona, but you would only say so on the internet or you would be fired from your job as a school teacher. This creates the illusion that many people believe in HBD.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

September 3, 2015 at 9:21 am

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  1. I agree. Modern Family did more for gay marriage than all of the online arguments and newspaper editorials put together. Same thing with global warming. Every online argument begins with “97% of scientists agree…” Even though it’s disproven, it’s such a powerful mover of opinion that it’s used over and over again.

    Insightful post. 4 stars for this one.

    Mike Street Station

    September 3, 2015 at 10:13 am

    • Agreed. This is arguably one of Lion’s top 5 posts. His writing quality has improved since he quit his crappy job. It’s unfortunate he can’t make a living from blogging.

      DdR

      September 3, 2015 at 11:22 am

    • Four stars, I agree, you lost one one for suggesting sockpupeting. This is despicable.

      My customers easily spend $400-$600 a month on AC. And this is the minimum. I don’t know of a single person that would be willing to live without AC to save some water turtle or a bird or an endangered rodent. They would just say: ‘Screw the turtle!’. Maybe they are different in SF because they are gay and their minds are twisted, but in NYC people will keep their ACs.

      Yakov

      September 3, 2015 at 11:38 am

      • My electric bill is usually $40-$60 a month, without much AC, unless it’s exceedingly hot and humid. Most of the summer days, I blow a fan in NYC, which is prolier than an AC unit, to Lion’s readers.

        JS

        September 3, 2015 at 12:26 pm

      • People with central AC in private homes and large apartments spend this and more. I don’t touch window or wall units, there is no money there.

        No wonder you have problems finding women. What woman is gonna step into a house without AC? A guy with a fan signals failure. How do you invite anyone over? There is no way a French girl is going into your house without AC, no matter how much French philosophy you talk to her

        Yakov

        September 3, 2015 at 1:20 pm

      • i think it has more to do with SF summers being like 71 degrees. if they had to deal with 80-95 degree summers like east coast / southerners do, they would forget about the turtles pretty fast

        GM

        September 3, 2015 at 1:25 pm

      • Yakov, I had an AC unit when I was in NYC. Just never turned it on that often, because I’m usually not in the apt. during much of the day. $400 in AC bills, means one thing, the unit was cranked on for 24/7.

        JS

        September 3, 2015 at 3:29 pm

      • @ Yakov: AC usage in France is very low though. French women would not be as irritated about it compared to an Americnut.

        uatu

        September 3, 2015 at 4:02 pm

      • OK, I didn’t know about France. Once they come to NYC they will want AC. Actually, don’t the French use tons of makeup? It will all get messed up without AC. So I think it can’t realy be true that they don’t need it. Also, don’t they eat turtle soup or is frogs’ legs? I don’t think they would be sweating for the turtle, they would just eat it. I realy don’t know, just thinking logically,but I could be wrong about them.

        Yakov

        September 3, 2015 at 8:52 pm

      • JS, AC is actually very prole. Not having AC is SWPL. Not needing AC because you are spending your summer enjoying the breezes on Martha’s Vineyard or Kennebunkport is elite.

        Peter Akuleyev

        September 4, 2015 at 8:04 am

      • If you say so, and I would agree. Southern Euros don’t need any AC, because the climate is dry and during night, it becomes cool. The same applies to California, and parts of the Southwest (minus Arizona). Elites would prefer to stay in a sunny place, that is mild with low humidity.

        Just google how prole NYC is, when it comes to AC units dangling out the window. So yes, AC, especially cold air coming from those boxy units, are prole.

        JS

        September 4, 2015 at 2:15 pm

    • I disagree. Queer Eye For the Straight Guy did more to advance the acceptance of gay marriage than Modern Family did.

      Dave Pinsen

      September 3, 2015 at 11:55 am

      • I think the audience for Modern Family was many times larger. Plus, Modern Family was trying to show gays as “just like us”- married with kids and dealing with the same issues that every other “normal” family has. I don’t think that describes Queer Eye.

        Mike Street Station

        September 3, 2015 at 12:09 pm

      • It was actually the daytime talk shows that mainstreamed gays, starting with Donahue interviewing a gay guy in 1968.

        The when Oprah came along in 1986 & proved how much money and publicity can be made discussing taboo topics like gays, it turned into a huge industry, with copycats like Jenny Jones, Ricki Lake & Jerry Springer pushing it to more and more sensational extremes with topics like “I have a gay crush on my coworker” and “interracial gay one night stand reunions”

        An entire generation was raised on that back in the 1990s when syndicated talk shows attracted 10 million viewers a day (unimaginable in today’s saturated media market)

        Only after the talk shows broke the taboo did the sitcoms follow

        There’s a whole book about it called Freaks Talk back by Yale professor Joshua Gamson

        pumpkinperson

        September 3, 2015 at 5:39 pm

    • Will & Grace did a lot of damage as well.

      Brendan

      September 3, 2015 at 2:29 pm

      • I quite enjoyed that show to be fair.

        uatu

        September 3, 2015 at 3:59 pm

  2. I assume that if people have had any exposure at all to the general population of blacks in the US that they believe in HBD and that they act on their beliefs even if they don’t express them out loud (Nixon’s silent majority). I’m not entirely convinced that general antipathy to gays by heterosexuals isn’t some sort of developed (evolved) trait which helps maintain herd immunity to disease and thus can be more easily overcome with social proof propaganda. It isn’t as if people fear roaming gangs of gays.

    Curle

    September 3, 2015 at 10:16 am

  3. If it costs me $54 a month to be comfortable and not sweat like a pig, so be it.

    If my neighbors all want to sweat like pigs, they can go right ahead.

    Tarl

    September 3, 2015 at 10:22 am

  4. I recently saw a data point for mid-rank SWPLs really lacking self-awareness of their rhetoric vs behaviors (as opposed to behaving with calculated cynicism, as elite SWPLs do).

    A marketing exec was giving a presentation about some expensive SWPL-candy product and then delivered a shocking kicker – to his dismay, almost all of the customers were SWPLs! Disparate impact, d’oh! This required a major change in the campaign after a year of wasted effort.

    So here is a Goodthink SWPL who assumes that since he is a nice guy unlike all the knuckleheads who have come before him, any campaign he oversees will be responded to in a vibrant, diverse way.

    Thank goodness we pay these people mid-6 figures to reinvent the wheel.

    Fiddlesticks

    September 3, 2015 at 10:36 am

  5. Very good post, all spot-on.

    Along these lines, I like the following that somebody said somewhere but I don’t know who:

    “Stupid people believe A. Smart people believe B. Really smart people believe A.”

    I’m not sure it works as social proof, exactly, but it’s a good way to dog whistle that hey, you know, people who REALLY know what’s up believe in HBD.

    peterike

    September 3, 2015 at 10:42 am

  6. Vote for trump, everyone else is doing it

    Anon

    September 3, 2015 at 10:44 am

    • A Trump ad which says “more people prefer Trump over any other Republican candidate” would be a good ad.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 3, 2015 at 11:24 am

      • Trump mentions how he’s “leading all the polls by a YUGE MARGIN!” In every interview/stump speech/press release I’ve seen since June. The man knows what he’s doing.

        DSGNTD_PLYR

        September 3, 2015 at 4:50 pm

  7. This argument proves too little. Most people act as if they believe people are different. Good liberals who vote for Obama send their kids to segregate schools in the suburbs. Why is that, no reason to lie, just point out the lie.

    someonecheeky

    September 3, 2015 at 10:54 am

    • You assume that people are logical in their beliefs when, in fact, the majority of people are perfectly capable of having mutually contradictory beliefs. They will just get pissed at you if you point it out to them and not change their beliefs.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 3, 2015 at 11:25 am

  8. Two of the most significant markers of social proof in Meriprolestan, are race and looks, and their relation to White women. Of course, no one talks about this in detail, not even in the unPC blogosphere.

    JS

    September 3, 2015 at 11:01 am

    • Are you saying that white women have the greatest authority delivering judgments on fashion, manners and aesthetics which compromises the entirety of modern American social policy?

      Curle

      September 3, 2015 at 2:18 pm

      • Attractive women are the strongest social proof. A single attractive woman is perhaps equal to ten nerdy males (unless you are selling videogames or a new comic book series).

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 3, 2015 at 2:25 pm

      • The entire Manosphere is about chasing White women, with Iranian Roosh V, now being at the forefront of this movement, to further solidify the agenda.

        Men of all races, with relative high status in Meriprolestan, usually do not settle score with a non-White woman, as 1st priority.

        JS

        September 3, 2015 at 3:04 pm

    • Read Heartiste’s recent material.

      DSGNTD_PLYR

      September 3, 2015 at 4:51 pm

      • gonna have to disagree with you there…he’s descending into an angry semi-Nazi parody of his old self. I say that as someone who learned a lot from his posts in the Roissy days.

        Summa Theologica

        September 3, 2015 at 7:35 pm

      • As a longtime reader/lurker, I’m certain that “Heartiste” and the original “Roissy” are two different people. There was a sudden, noticeable change in prose style after Roissy got doxed. It’s gotten worse over time, but even at the beginning the new guy read a little too much like a parody of the original.

        Ivy League Prole

        September 4, 2015 at 8:58 am

      • CH is giving dangerous advice to guys, by saying, anyone who has an average looking woman, is a beta chump.

        JS

        September 4, 2015 at 9:59 am

  9. To be fair, switching to using a fan for saving $54 dollars a month is not enough of a reason. Appealing to such logic would also mean one an logically argument “$54 dollars more is worth a cool home rather than depending on a fan for me.”

    The other logical arguments of 262 pounds of carbon or the environmentally responsible thing to do is only appeals if the person already has a value to such a thing. So those are even weaker reasons.

    I guess I’m just nitpicking as your main point is how liberals’ argue is more effective. And how to use it to argue to others. Just when it’s your starting basis to your point, umm yeah.

    Dreamer

    September 3, 2015 at 11:03 am

  10. Modern Family had more power in convincing people that gay marriage is ok versus 1,000 NYT op-eds.

    DdR

    September 3, 2015 at 11:13 am

    • And now that the show has served its purpose, Modern Family has become stale and will likely terminate soon. Man, the Hollywood execs who came up with Modern Family must be giving themselves back-pats after five seconds. They got a two-for: a highly successful, i.e., lucrative, show that also helped pass gay marriage.

      I bet as we speak there are multiple shows in the pipeline trying to address global warming. Maybe a comedy of people living in a future Waterworld? I think comedies work better because they don’t hit people over the head with the message, unlike the Day After Tomorrow.

      DdR

      September 3, 2015 at 11:18 am

      • Amazon has a trannie show on now, and Netflix’s Orange is the New Black has one too. As Sailer would call it, World War T is in full swing. Look for some trannie sitcoms on network TV soon.

        Mike Street Station

        September 3, 2015 at 11:46 am

      • Yes, the trannie in Orange is shown as a good person (relative to other prison inmates).

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 3, 2015 at 11:53 am

      • “the trannie in Orange is shown as a good person”

        Yet the countless TV shows and movies that depict blacks as smart, peaceful, competent, desirable, and generally admirable have had a far more limited effect on the general perception of blacks.

        Perhaps direct experience with actual blacks trumps the “social proof” of the media in this case…

        Tarl

        September 3, 2015 at 12:45 pm

      • “Yet the countless TV shows and movies that depict blacks as smart, peaceful, competent, desirable, and generally admirable have had a far more limited effect on the general perception of blacks.”

        I would not say that at all. There is hardly any overt racism left in this country. It worked very well, but Hollywood can’t change the fact that blacks are so much more violent and have lower IQs than whites. On the other hand, outside of the bedroom, gay men don’t behave poorly. I live in the gayest neighborhood in New York City and it’s not a problem. I’d never ever want to live in the blackest neighborhood in New York City.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 3, 2015 at 1:05 pm

      • Meriprolestan has reached its full potential, and I believe the country is a done deal in terms of evolution and further development. The younger generations regardless of racial makeup, are parasitic takers reaping the fruits sowed by the older groups, mostly of White men. If White millennials are a wasted generation, why does that tell you of their black and Asian counterparts?

        JS

        September 3, 2015 at 1:25 pm

      • http://mic.com/articles/112752/american-millennials-are-wasting-their-educations

        American Millennials are behind their peers in other 1st World Nations, and this includes, those from elite backgrounds. Furthermore, our liberal policy of a multiculti utopia, has siphoned time and resources, otherwise used for educating a homogenous society.

        JS

        September 3, 2015 at 1:40 pm

      • @JS,

        The 2015 SAT Report was issued today. Lowest scores since the test was renormed in 2004. The pundits can’t quite figure out why IQs would drop for American youths.

        http://educationblog.dallasnews.com/2015/09/sat-scores-in-texas-hit-new-low.html/

        DSGNTD_PLYR

        September 3, 2015 at 5:06 pm

      • @DSGNTD PLYR: The 2015 SAT Report was issued today. Lowest scores since the test was renormed in 2004. The pundits can’t quite figure out why IQs would drop for American youths.

        immigr…???

        E. Rekshun

        September 3, 2015 at 9:27 pm

      • “Homogenous society”

        Lol JS, that ship has sailed. Get over it.

        That millennial article is hilarious- this guys says we need to be more like Sweden, and we need more Pre-K

        Both of which don’t or can’t work. Pre-K does nothing, and saying we need to be more like Sweden is like saying we need to both be more homogeneous, AND we need unlimited immigration.

        jjbees

        September 4, 2015 at 10:08 am

      • Sweden’s PISA scores have slipped due to immigration and their racial gap is worse than Americas.

        With the thoughts you'd be thinkin

        September 5, 2015 at 11:58 am

  11. “Liberals understand social proof better than conservatives.”

    Which is how we got the “You don’t want to be on the wrong side of history with those other bigots, DO YOU?” crapola. Likewise, libs don’t flip-flop on gay marriage, gays in the military, or amnesty; they “evolve.” They’re very good at flattering themselves.

    Brendan

    September 3, 2015 at 11:18 am

    • The general election voters pamphlet for my county had the words ‘An Historic Election’ on the cover. The county auditor was a Democrat.

      Curle

      September 3, 2015 at 12:10 pm

  12. People aren’t complete mouth-breathing zombies, though. At some point they need to see allegedly popular beliefs validated by real-world proof. The gay/global warming examples are illustrative.

    Gays are portrayed sympathetically in the media, but it’s also true that a lot more gays have been coming out in recent decades, and a lot more Americans are used to the idea of having gay friends/relatives/coworkers. The notion that gays are unthreatening and normal has been valididated by most Americans’ lived experiences, and polls reflect this.

    The global warming cause, on the other hand, constantly delivers apocalyptic rhetoric but the apocalypse doesn’t seem to be coming. Most Americans simply don’t perceive themselves to be living in an era of unprecedented climate change — they accept the idea that weather has its ups and downs, and the full spectrum of weather phenomena (hot, col, stormy, dry, etc) seem to be plugging along as normal.

    If you look at polls, Americans are still very skeptical about global warming. The “overwhelming consensus” in favor of it doesn’t seem to have moved many. If HBD gains any traction it will be from evidence, not people being told to believe one way or another. If the air conditioner people were actually given hard proof of any of those claims I bet their behavior would have changed at a rate higher than 10%.

    Morris

    September 3, 2015 at 11:26 am

  13. Liberals understand social proof better than conservatives. Showing cool gay characters in popular TV shows, with no special message, was massively more effective in mainstreaming acceptance of gays than any number of op-eds in newspapers trying to explain why it’s morally wrong to deny gays the “right” to marriage.”

    If liberals understand it better, they don’t always act in accordance with that understanding. Queer Eye For The Straight Guy increased public acceptance of gays because it showed gays as stylish, helpful, non-sexual, fairy godmothers improving the lives of soldiers and other red staters. But 20 years earlier, liberals used obnoxious, confrontational tactics (e.g., ACT-UP), and some are doing the same today with Black Lives Matter.

    A story about how you used to believe that HBD was racist nonsense because that’s what your sociology professors said when you attended Brown, but then you had doubts so you were motivated to discover the truth, and now you hide it from everyone because you don’t want to lose your job at the art museum, but you once discussed the topic with your closest friend while you were drunk, and you discovered that he also believed in HBD but also kept it a secret.

    I don’t see how that would be effective. It comes across as transparent. If you go to online comment sections, except for places like Ta-Nehisi Coates’s blog, where he bans opposing commenters, the majority of psuedonymous comments on any article that touches on race are invariably already HBD-aware. The real issue is that there’s a fine line between disinterested HBD awareness and overt racism (one that’s often crossed in the comments here), and overt racism among whites is a marker of being lower class. Recall the scene in Bonfire of the Vanities where Kramer and his wife are feeling socially inferior to their British nanny, until she makes a racist comment about blacks, and they immediately breathe a sigh of relief, realizing that the nanny has just marked herself as being beneath them in social class.

    Dave Pinsen

    September 3, 2015 at 12:07 pm

    • Suggesting that HBDers “play the game” is no good, because they are bad at the game. Witness last thread, where the suggestion of sparing U.S. citizens a program that courts have found to be unconstitutional results in frothing at the mouth and obvious bias. Any liberal just needs to bring the hammer to weak spots like these to shatter HBD “credibility” and prove all liberal “raaaaaycisssst” critiques correct. And they do.

      HBDers need to slaughter all their sacred policy cows to gain political attractiveness. Nix libertarianism. Nix the denial of civil liberties. Nix the love affair with inequity. The notion of there being genetic differences in intelligence is only frightening and threatening in a society that is heavily stratified, encourages inequity in outcome, and pretends that labor itself is not fundamentally connected to an individual’s self-expression.

      HBD is also not “privileged” information or hidden knowledge. HBD, that is to say, a species of justified prejudice, is common in American politics; it’s just another ‘code.’ There is only ONE de facto party. Poor people are kept apart by nonsense issues (mostly race!) despite being VERY close politically.

      I don’t say the things I say because I love liberals. I say what I say because the civil war is over and it’s time to move on. Think goy and get serious!

      swank

      September 3, 2015 at 4:41 pm

      • The notion of there being genetic differences in intelligence is only frightening and threatening in a society that is heavily stratified, encourages inequity in outcome…

        On the contrary, an acknowledgment of genetic differences in aptitude paves the way for more compassionate policies toward those at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder. What should be frightening is the status quo: low-income workers are worse off today than when Obama was elected.

        It’s no coincidence that our elites focus so much of their philanthropy on education. As long as they can pretend that education offers a ladder up for everyone, they are morally absolved from advocating policies such as mass immigration that make the poor poorer.

        Dave Pinsen

        September 3, 2015 at 8:46 pm

      • paves the way for more compassionate policies toward those at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder

        Sure, like “noble blood” “paved the way for more compassionate policies toward those at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder.”

        Do you have an example of this happening historically?

        I can readily cite to several examples of alleged innate inferiority justifying systematic oppression.

        education offers a ladder up for everyone

        A true education, that is, the encouragement of an “individual’s” personal growth through knowledge, would benefit everyone. Education in the United States, that is, personal politics and breaking in to certain “sets,” does not. It’s a big game of hide the ball.

        advocating policies such as mass immigration that make the poor poorer.

        Democrats are pieces of shit. I’ve said it many times.

        swank

        September 4, 2015 at 1:04 am

      • Do you have an example of this happening historically?

        Sure. Look at Henry Ford’s paternalism. Detroit employed well paid, industrious black men as well as white men, and an epiphenomenon of that was perhaps the peak of African American culture, Motown.

        I can readily cite to several examples of alleged innate inferiority justifying systematic oppression.

        Like the “systemic racism” holding African Americans back today?

        A true education, that is, the encouragement of an “individual’s” personal growth through knowledge, would benefit everyone.

        My point is that elites support policies that lower living standards for the working class, and use education as a moral fig leaf to justify it. Your opinion about the benefits of a “true” education for “personal growth” isn’t relevant to that.

        Democrats are pieces of shit. I’ve said it many times.

        Not all elites are Democrats.

        Dave Pinsen

        September 4, 2015 at 1:53 am

      • Sure

        You said: “more compassionate policies toward those at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder.”

        Your example is Henry Ford, a private actor (and it must be said, business genius). Yet Henry Ford operated in an era of systematic oppression based on a widespread belief in innate inferiority, which is precisely why his decision to employ blacks was relevant/interesting/controversial. So I suppose you are saying society should rely on noblesse oblige?

        Like the “systemic racism” holding African Americans back today?

        No, I was talking about beliefs in innate inferiority historically being used by the state and its most powerful economic actors to justify oppression. Granted, the economic boon and relationships come first, then the justification for continuation comes later.

        You put “systemic racism” in quotes, but I pointed to an example of a systematic program executed by a not-so-racist city, New York, that courts found unconstitutional for essentially this reason. It’s strange how people believe that U.S. systematic prejudice vanished 50 years ago.

        Your opinion about the benefits of

        It is relevant. Like anything else in this society, it’s heads I win tails you lose. The notion of education as is typically discussed and defined benefiting everyone is CORRECT. The current system of “education,” however, combined with current media presentation — obfuscation — has the effect of lowering “living standards for the working class.” If you approach “education” in the United States as actual education, you lose. Education is the main path “upward,” but only through conformity. That is the main test. “If you want to fit in, conform, keep your mouth shut, and we will give you a piece of paper that says you are one of ‘our people.'”

        You are right that they use the ideal of education to justify terrible economic conditions; just like they use notions of innate X or Y or Z to justify terrible economic conditions. And the two are LINKED: are you poor? you must be bad at being educated (liberal), and that’s probably innate (“conservative”) => ONE PARTY.

        Not all elites are Democrats.

        …and the GOP is a joke, as I have also said.

        swank

        September 4, 2015 at 2:47 pm

      • Yes and No.
        If “the notion of there being genetic differences in intelligence is only frightening and threatening in a society that is heavily stratified” then Nordic countries should be leading the way in psychometric and or HBDish thinking Instead the opposite is true. In fact discussions of differential achievement due to genetic factors (within and between races) are ruthlessly suppressed in Denmark and Sweden.
        IMO the problem seems to be that HBD types can’t separate the racial thinking (white nationalism) from actual evidence and constantly suffer from confirmation bias. This is especially true of the HBD idea that all human history is determined by strong between race differences. There are people on the left (Gregory Clark or Robert Plomin for example) who believe that genetic factors fundamentally stratify society/constrain achievement and consequently suggest that society needs to be squeezed from the top and the bottom to promote equality (ie something like the Nordic model). The only HBD person with any remotely similar viewpoint is Jayman.

        Magician

        September 4, 2015 at 10:22 pm

      • then Nordic countries

        You don’t even consider whether HBD is in fact true. The countries so mentioned may not expend their resources in such a way because a) HBD, if true, is uninteresting in such a state and b) HBD is not true.

        Further, important HBD-oriented research has, in recent times, come from those countries. Wicherts et al and KJK come to mind. Maybe it is ignored because the conclusions tend to disconfirm HBD?

        Of course, a term like “HBD” like all successful propaganda, actually prevents people from discussing the reality of these positions. “HBD” could imply height, eye color, etc. But “HBD” is really just heredetarianism regarding race and IQ and other even vaguer personality traits. Yet, as we know, calling it “HBD” lumps it in with several less controversial positions, which is what allows HBDers to assert that their opponents deny “genetics” altogether. It’s almost as bad as the term “conservative.”

        This is especially true of the HBD idea that all human history is determined by strong between race differences.

        Really, “IQ” differences. IQ is a modern concept, just like race. But yes, I agree.

        who believe that genetic factors fundamentally stratify society/constrain achievement

        Those with the most power in society are not the “smartest,” so they are lying. It is very simple. Those who are rich have access to the knowledge and the cultural “games,” which is why they do well on the test. Those who are poor tend to do well on those tests because they are excluded socially in one way or another. So, those from a prole background who test well are in the perfect position for value transfer; they have no “social skill” (read: they can’t fit in) but are capable of producing value. Heads I win tails you lose.

        People do not resent those with higher “prestige.” If standards of living are reasonable, it’s easy to give one’s fellow man respect and esteem. If it seems fair that whatever advantage the other man has is earned it is also easy. That is not the United States. The meritocracy myth is a myth.

        An HBDer is someone who believes we can put a man on the moon but we can’t teach a black guy to do math. It’s very disappointing.

        swank

        September 6, 2015 at 3:58 pm

      • “An HBDer is someone who believes we can put a man on the moon but we can’t teach a black guy to do math.”

        You can’t teach beyond the abilities of someones inherent genetic IQ. “Math” is a big topic. People below a certain IQ can’t learn math that has a higher IQ threshold. But Jaime Escalante demonstrated that the ability to pass the AP calculus test can be taught to people with IQs below 100.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 6, 2015 at 4:47 pm

      • speaking of the nordic countries…

        libertarian capitalism is even bad for capitalists.

        of country i-shares ETFs starting in April 1996, the best performing in total return terms is…drum roll…

        Sweden

        the worst performing, excepting the exceptional japan, is…drum roll…

        Singapore.

        EWS has returned 45% since its inception in April 1996.

        EWD has returned 385% since its inception in April 1996.

        one is reminded of the book of daniel, the one OT book written in aramaic:

        Suddenly the fingers of a human hand appeared and wrote on the plaster of the wall, near the lampstand in the royal palace. The king watched the hand as it wrote. 6 His face turned pale and he was so frightened that his legs became weak and his knees were knocking.

        kim jong un

        September 6, 2015 at 6:59 pm

      • Swank claims that Wicherts et al and KJK’s paper’s “conclusions tend to disconfirm HBD”. Yet they state: “There can be little doubt that Africans average lower IQs than do westerners”.

        jef

        September 6, 2015 at 8:48 pm

    • one might dismiss this as “singapore was in a bubble in 1996” or “sweden is currently in a bubble, and singapore in a…whatever the opposite of a bubble is.”

      but even more damning is total dividends since inception divided by current price.

      EWD — 70%
      EWS — 55%

      what fraction of each is pass through dividends vs capital gains idk.

      sweden has also outperformed hong kong and the us.

      kim jong un

      September 6, 2015 at 9:33 pm

  14. Turning your AC off , or even just up a little, to save $54/mo is not a logical choice.

    Republicans need to work on preference cascades, though maybe that’s the same thing. That could be a key to Trump’s popularity; he says stuff pretty much everybody agrees with that still gets described as “outrageous” by the press.

    J1

    September 3, 2015 at 12:52 pm

  15. Showing cool gay characters in popular TV shows, with no special message, was massively more effective in mainstreaming acceptance of gays than any number of op-eds in newspapers trying to explain why it’s morally wrong to deny gays the “right” to marriage.

    Bill Clinton and Joe Biden have both cited the late 90s/early 00s show “Will and Grace,” as being important to the gay agenda.

    The opposite is also true. This is why you can’t find cool, or even normal, Christians in the MSM despite the fact they’re 70% of the US population.

    dsgntd_plyr

    September 3, 2015 at 4:39 pm

  16. “Threes Company” from the late ’70s was one of the early shows to introduce a (fake) gay character who had a major role and was funny and likable. Nonetheless, as a 13-year old watching the show with my parents, I still got a little bit uncomfortable when Jack would slip into his effeminate gay persona to dupe Mr. Roper.

    It seems like the actresses from ’70s shows were quite skinny, oh, and big hair.

    E. Rekshun

    September 3, 2015 at 9:24 pm

  17. Yeah this is the cheap trick con men have used for over a thousand years when they have accomplices backing up the outrageous claims they make to bilk their marks. However, you are seeing the limits of this trick right now. This whole victim scam where feral savages are depicted as oppressed when they are serial rapists and murderers and mouth off constantly about hating crackers is so stupid its hard to believe. The enemy is nothing if not consistent, and I mean that in the most pejorative and degrading terms possible. The idea that a false consensus can mitigate the everyday reality in any meaningful way is the kind of voodoo mind control that the CIA tried and failed at everywhere during the Cold War. You might be able to fool rubes in small towns where the only blacks are the dresses fat girls wear that blacks are magical cool negro geniuses, but you can watch Urkel all day and one or two meetings in real life with Shaniqua the sixteen ton welfare queen and her brother from another mother Ashtray the amateur serial killer will clear up those HBD mysteries damn quick I’m thinking. Diversity killed The Cosby Show long before the rape charges were filed man.

    Joshua Sinistar

    September 3, 2015 at 10:30 pm

    • “However, you are seeing the limits of this trick right now.”

      I wouldn’t be so sure. Look at how many people bought into the 10% gay lie. Even though Internet makes it easy to debunk, this lie is alive and kicking.

      Likewise, suburban upper middle class Millennials learn about blacks from liberal parents, teachers, TV and social media, all of which imprint a false reality onto their brains. Diversity is a cult, and heretics are persecuted. Eventually, Millennials will have to rent apartments in less tony neighborhoods and they will learn the hard way about the true nature of blacks. Or maybe they will not. It’s hard to leave a cult.

      WRB

      September 4, 2015 at 1:44 am

  18. Thanks Lion. That was brilliant. I’ve seen professional scientists explain one topic after another using evidence and warnings against appeal to authority arguments. Then as soon as global warming comes up it’s all “consensus” and social proof.

    I’d say the same thing elsewhere, but I’m worried that I’d be fired from my job as a school teacher.

    MoreSigmasThanYou

    September 4, 2015 at 1:12 am

  19. HBD implies sympathy for intelligent blacks who are part of a community where half its members have IQs less than 85. And their children’s IQs will regress towards an 85 IQ mean.

    jef

    September 4, 2015 at 7:07 am

    • “And their children’s IQs will regress towards an 85 IQ mean.”

      Childrens’ IQs regress to the average IQ of their great-grandparents and not to the IQ of their race. Race is only a proxy if you don’t know the IQs of their great-grandparents.

      Smart black families will continue to have smart black children in perpetuity as long as they don’t mate with less-smart blacks.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 4, 2015 at 12:56 pm

  20. If you spend the summer somewhere where you actually need air conditioning, you are prole. Beach houses or mountain villas generally don’t have air conditioning.

    Peter Akuleyev

    September 4, 2015 at 8:02 am

    • Not true. Beach houses in the Southeast still need AC because it gets hella humid there.

      Abundance Mentality

      September 4, 2015 at 10:02 pm

    • FWIW, beach houses and mountain villas almost always have air conditioning; it’s an implied feature of all but the cheapest housing outside the northeast. The “need air conditioning” standard is a little more subjective, but mountain towns in the west can get pretty hot, as can west coast beaches, despite their ice-cold water. At the margins you’d miss it, which means you have it if you can afford it.

      J1

      September 5, 2015 at 8:09 pm

  21. Curle

    September 4, 2015 at 3:59 pm

  22. ‘The whole global warming scam is based on convincing people that there’s a “consensus” about global warming, and you’re part of the minority of stupid people if you don’t get with the program.’

    Yep. That’s why I never debate globalclimatewarmingweatherchaoschange — I just mock people who might believe in it, make them seem like utter and complete idiots, by saying things like “I personally know eight people who died as a direct result of global warming and 23 others who have been seriously injured because of climate change.” Then I shake my head and even let my eyes get a little misty as if I miss all these tragic victims of globalclimatewarmingchange. Also, I always call it “globalclimatewarmingchange” or some other such inane name to belittle it. IT EFFFING WORKS, gets a good larf most of the time, or knocks unrepentant SWPL Portlandian fagbois back on their heels such that they have no reply.

    DEATH TO AMERICA

    megahandsome9

    September 4, 2015 at 4:39 pm

    • Agreed. I mock these people like there is no tomorrow. I have social proof on my side because my job title just screams ‘smart dude’ compared to 99.9% of Americans and everyone who hears it knows it. If they really want to get technical, I start asking them about their experience with regression models and if they are familiar with the regression models’ deviation from predicted values and statistical confidence intervals in the IPCC report. Needless to say, that’s the end of the actual discussion and everything after that is a mopping-up exercise.

      Abundance Mentality

      September 4, 2015 at 10:09 pm

  23. Social proof is for the weak.

    To quote the great Jimi Hendrix “I’m the one who’s going to die when it’s time for me to die, so let me live my life the way I want to”..

    The only change I would make to that is to say so I WILL live my life the way I want to. After all, once I’m dead, my body is all y’all’s f-in’ problem, not mine.

    Abundance Mentality

    September 4, 2015 at 10:00 pm

  24. This comment sort of deals with another aspect of social proof — doing things others do to fit in. Speech / accents and social proof almost deserves its own post. I’m sure you’ve read that recieved english was created as a way for the emerging middle class in England to distinguish itself from the working class. It eventually spread throughout causing a change in the English accent. This took place after colonization of America. As such, Americans in general and Southerners in particular sound more like the original English accent than the English do.

    Which brings me to two more current and annoying trends among women — uptalk and vocal fry. I was recently back in the states and noticed it even among some upper middle and even upper class women. Women who do it literally sound retarded. Seriously. The first time I heard a woman do it I thought she was making fun of retarded people. I just noticed some vocal fry in an interview with Fiorina. What is wrong with women that they’re so desperate to be trendy and fit in that they jump on ever bandwagon no matter how ridiculous it makes them look?

    destructure

    September 9, 2015 at 6:10 am


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