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College scorecard update

The earnings shown are the median earnings of people who attended that school (whether or not they graduated) based on matching federal financial aid forms to tax return data. It’s very legit data, but interpretation can still be difficult. The earnings are an average of two years of tax returns for each student, and are only shown if there are at least 30 students in the sample.

It also gives you a statistic related to variance, that his what percent of graduates earn less then the median income for people only with high school education. Nursing schools have the least variance. A higher percentage of Ivy League grads are earning less.

HOWEVER it does’t account for people voluntarily removing themselves from the labor force, so Ivy League women are more likely to be married and stay at home moms than nursing school graduates who are more prole and less likely to have rich husbands who can support them.

More information about the data here:

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

September 14, 2015 at 7:26 am

Posted in Education

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  1. ” it does’t account for people voluntarily removing themselves from the labor force.”

    Wanna bet the folks profiled in this article aren’t paying taxes?


    September 14, 2015 at 10:16 am

  2. Another ranking :

    Seems more accurate.

    Bruno from paris

    September 14, 2015 at 1:27 pm

    • I wonder how Lehigh and Franklin and Marshall rank so high, 35th and 42nd on this pay scale list, when they both rank in the 80s for entering class 75th percentile SAT score. On the income ranking list F&M is two spots above Claremont-McKenna which ranks in the low 40s for entering class 75th percentile SAT score. F&M and Lehigh in terms of SAT are comparable to Wheaton (136th on pay scale), Bucknell (67th on pay scale) and University of Miami (ranks 441 on the pay scale). That’s some range for schools with the same 75th percentile SAT score between Lehigh at 35 and University of Miami at 441.


      September 14, 2015 at 11:02 pm

  3. If you want to go in to a value transference occupation, make sure you know how to look good, shake hands, shutup, and fit in. JD, MBA, etc.

    Because only one thing counts in this life: Get them to sign on the line which is dotted. You hear me you fucking faggots?

    Otherwise, you’re wasting your time.


    September 14, 2015 at 1:35 pm

    • Actually, you’re right. People need skills and they need to know how to reliably use those skills. That’s a given. After that, most of what matters is keeping up appearances (especially the appearance of confidence), making sure counter parties know you can produce and don’t pose much in the form of costs, always be friendly but know who your real friends are, and understanding how to network effectively. All other career advice is nonsense and a waste of time.

      Jim Kryptonite

      September 14, 2015 at 2:56 pm

  4. Lion, I am your biggest fan. I think that it is very hard to get an accurate view of what colleges produce the highest earnings in women. Here is why. First of all, many married women who have the opportunity to make big money instead voluntarily take low paying fun jobs because their husbands have a lot of money. Other women who are married to low paid men still take low paying fun jobs because the woman’s father had a lot of money and supports her lifestyle. I think you should ignore females from this analysis and only show the earnings of men

    wencil jones

    September 14, 2015 at 1:47 pm

  5. Lion, I went to an Ivy and I have noticed that many of my most successful male classmates were able to retire by 40. So if you look at men’s earnings in their 40s you get a skewed view. As such, the analysis that is really meaningful to me is to compare earnings at age 35, or earnings between 35 and 40. I think that would give you a better view of the true honest benefits of the education

    wencil jones

    September 14, 2015 at 1:48 pm

    • It’s a good idea, although it will over-rate engineering and computer science majors because 35-40 is the peak for those careers. The guy making $150K at 37 may be a washed up QA tester at 47 making half that salary.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 14, 2015 at 2:04 pm

      • That’s about right. I’ve met quite a number of IT workers in their 40s, who are worn out and looking for something that pays less and computer un-related. The grass is greener for those who earn a hefty salary, so it seems. Yet, time and many years spent on a non-self actualization career, leads to being burned out, and suddenly, you’re left feeling empty, and those IT workers are just that.


        September 14, 2015 at 2:15 pm

      • It’s a good idea, although it will over-rate engineering and computer science majors because 35-40 is the peak for those careers. The guy making $150K at 37 may be a washed up QA tester at 47 making half that salary.

        In those cases earning $75-$90k isn’t such a bad deal if they saved during their peak. By then they should be able to put less money away for retirement while their earlier investments continue compounding at a nice clip.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        September 14, 2015 at 11:15 pm

  6. Lion, i was wondering what your thoughts are on the University of Miami in kid is considering going there. Do you consider this institution swpl or prole?


    September 14, 2015 at 2:15 pm

    • Looks like a rip-off compared to in-state tuition at UF Gainseville.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 14, 2015 at 4:08 pm

    • UF is the only reputable school in Florida. Everything else is trash.


      September 14, 2015 at 4:44 pm

      • Miami has a beautiful campus in Coral Gables and has been ranked in the Top 50 nationally (ahead of UF on a lot of lists) for the last decade. Gainesville is a backwater prole town.


        September 14, 2015 at 6:48 pm

      • Miami is a fine school if one’s parents are paying for it, but is not a wise choice for a student who would have to borrow massive student loans. There is very little difference between the two schools. U of Miami is no Ivy League school.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 14, 2015 at 6:52 pm

      • Florida, is an all around prole state.

        I have a friend who works at the Jones Day Law Firm in Miami and went to Rubio’s Law School. It is supposedly, for those who can’t hack the “real” BIGLAW in NYC.


        September 14, 2015 at 6:57 pm

      • Lion – I think the best advice for those who want to remain in Meriprolestan is to go to college in the Southwest surrounded by pretty prole girls, who are less uptight and status conscious, than the plain janes in NYC.


        September 14, 2015 at 7:09 pm

      • “Gainesville is a backwater prole town.”

        Gainesville is a college town. It’s not a bad place to be if you are 18 years old; for instance it is teeming with tan, beautiful young women. Anyway, back in the day people had the idea that you should put a college in an out of the way place where cost of living was lower, which is nice for students who are not working full time and don’t have much income, and also because there would be fewer distractions so students could focus on studying.

        UF is an example of a land grant institution, where Congress would give a state land to start a college.


        September 14, 2015 at 7:49 pm

      • The schools serve different demographics with culture reflecting that.

        UF = high achieving children of middle class professionals
        UMiami = moderate achieving children of upper/upper middle class & nouveau riche unconventional ethnic minorities (big Jewish, Eastern European, and Arab/Lebanese/Armenian presence)

        Viscount Douchenozzlé

        September 14, 2015 at 10:15 pm

      • @JS – I would suggest that besides Wachtell and CSM, DC biglaw is harder to get a job in. DC Biglaw is way more snobbish regarding grades, class rank, where you went to school, and clerkships.


        September 15, 2015 at 2:37 am

      • How could one not mention Caribbean Hispanics, when it comes to the colleges? Plenty of Cubans, PRs and DRs in Florida, along with the heirs of NYC’s Jewish transplants. Now, we could understand why Floridians are so obnoxious. It’s Manhattan 2.0 in the tropics!


        September 15, 2015 at 10:49 am

      • @Js

        I have a friend who works at the Jones Day Law Firm in Miami and went to Rubio’s Law School. It is supposedly, for those who can’t hack the “real” BIGLAW in NYC.

        Don’t you mean for those who can’t get INTO BIGLAW in NYC? Rubio attended U. of Miami Law which is ranked in the 90s. That’s a pretty low score and most major firms even in regional cities expect to hire from schools well above U. Miami level. Washington’s largest law school ranks in the 90s and I don’t know a single graduate of that place working for a major Seattle or Portland firm. I’m sure somebody does but I’ve never seen it.


        September 15, 2015 at 9:25 pm

      • Curle – BIGLAW does hire students from low tier schools, if they’ve demonstrated talent and achievement. Being an editor of the law school’s journal, is one of the things they are looking for.


        September 16, 2015 at 10:55 am


      Rank in Florida

      SAT 75th Percentile Scores

      1 1 New College of Florida 1420 1410 (↑0.7%)
      2 2 University of Miami 1400 1380 (↑1.4%)
      3 3 University of Florida 1360 No Change
      4 ↑ 22 Florida College 1321 1140 (↑15.9%)
      5 5 Florida State University 1290 No Change
      6 ↓ 4 Rollins College 1280 1300 (↓1.5%)
      7 ↓ 6 University of Central Florida 1280 1270 (↑0.8%)
      8 8 University of South Florida-Main Campus 1250 1260 (↓0.8%)
      9 ↓ 7 Florida Institute of Technology 1250 1270 (↓1.6%)
      10 ↑ 12 University of North Florida 1240 1210 (↑2.5%)
      11 ↑ 13 Stetson University 1230 1200 (↑2.5%)
      12 ↓ 9 Eckerd College 1230 1240 (↓0.8%)


      September 14, 2015 at 5:30 pm

    • I’m very familiar with both schools, and the Lion is correct. UM is not a public university and very expensive. UF is about $6K per year for in-state undergrads, and higher-rated. I would say both schools are neither prole nor swpl. A wide variety of demographics at both schools. And both only accept high-ranking high school students. UF is the flagship university in the state. I’m too lazy right now, but you can look up all the stats on line. Living in Gainsville while I did my MBA was a blast and inexpensive. Living in Miami was a blast in my mid-20s but much too congested and expensive now.

      E. Rekshun

      September 14, 2015 at 5:48 pm

    • You’d be a moron to send your kid to an expensive 2nd tier private school like Miami. It’s got a beautiful campus but that doesn’t make it worth it.

      Lion of the Judah-sphere

      September 14, 2015 at 9:12 pm

  7. O/T, but related to college. Maybe this is the final ultimatum for America’s demise.

    Besides the numerous college rape stories and naughty college football players, this is about a murder of a professor by another, possibly involving a love triangle. Prole drift at its finest, even in our higher learning institutions, and this time involving 2 or 3 academics.


    September 14, 2015 at 8:08 pm

    • JS

      September 14, 2015 at 9:29 pm

      • A classic crime passionnel from what it sounds like. Something declassé like that would never happen among the wife-swappers and homophiles in the Ivy League faculties, of course.

        Speaking of Florida, among the Editor’s Picks for that article:

        “Florida woman offers cops oral sex if they dropped charges” (OMG, I’ve never done this before but …)

        “Four Florida students hack boy, 17, with machete, bury him alive before two have sex near murder scene” (no whites involved)

        And of course, “Florida fugitive wanted for disfiguring man’s penis arrested in Miami” (not what one may think, apparently a botched umm amateur plastic surgery)


        September 15, 2015 at 3:18 am

    • Don’t forget the Harvard trained professor of biology, Amy Bishop, who basically killed all of the professors who denied her tenure in one rampage. Of course, she had already murdered her brother while she was young and got away with it so it was all too predictable.


      September 15, 2015 at 9:12 am

    • Balding 40-something schlubs teaching at a no-name college in nowheresville… interest in this story will soon fade. And the woman at the center of the love triangle? Ugh, what a beast.


      September 15, 2015 at 10:22 am

  8. OT: I was driving along the BQE tonight, and there was a big flatbed truck pulling a very large yacht. The name on the back of the yacht was “Too-eez”

    TOOS? Is this someone putting an in-your-face message out there?


    September 14, 2015 at 11:38 pm

  9. OT: Are fraternity members psychopaths…

    LA Times, 09/15/15 – 37 face charges in fraternity death blamed on ‘brutal’ hazing ritual

    By the time Chun Michael Deng — Michael to his family and friends — made it to a hospital on that cold December morning, he was struggling to breathe after being beaten and knocked unconscious while staggering blindfolded under the weight of a heavy backpack. The 19-year-old college student, an aspiring Pi Delta Psi frat brother, died shortly afterward. Nearly two years later, a grand jury has indicted 36 people and the fraternity on charges including murder in the latest example of what prosecutors say is a case of fatal hazing…The fraternity was expelled from New York City’s Baruch College, where Deng and his companions were students…Pi Delta Psi is described on its website as an Asian American cultural fraternity founded in New York in 1994…

    The civil suit echoes the criminal complaint in alleging that Deng and the other frat pledges were blindfolded, strapped into backpacks packed full of sand, and ordered to run across a field on the weekend of Dec. 7 and 8. As they did, the pledges were shoved and hit by frat members challenging them to make it to the end of the field, prosecutors in Pennsylvania said in a press release. Prosecutors said police described the ritual as “brutal,” and the forensic pathologist who examined Deng said he suffered multiple blows to his body and sustained a “significant head injury” that knocked him out…

    Deng’s companions allegedly waited at least an hour before taking him to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead on Dec. 9, 2013. Six individuals, including Pi Delta Psi Fraternity Inc., face charges of murder in the third degree, as well as aggravated assault, simple assault, hindering apprehension, hazing and criminal conspiracy. The homicide charges carry a penalty of up to 20 years. The others named in the indictment face charges ranging from aggravated assault to conspiracy…

    “Too many families have been devastated as a result of fraternity hazing, with at least one student dying every year from hazing since 1970″…The incident was one of at least a dozen in the last five years involving hazing at U.S. colleges leading to student deaths…

    E. Rekshun

    September 15, 2015 at 5:11 pm

    • I was explained that it supposed to offer exceptional opportunities later on in life, like being pit into real estate deals or something. This kid got his piece of real estate a little early. Any shmata that is willing to subject himself to degradation deserves no pity.


      September 16, 2015 at 7:59 am

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