Lion of the Blogosphere

Carly Fiorina big winner. Trump also winner.

Let’s talk about the losers first

Jeb Bush: He had one good moment when he praised his brother for keeping us safe. Otherwise, he was the same Bush as during the last debate. Based on this debate, I don’t see that any of the 94% or so of voters who support someone else are going to now support Bush. This makes Bush a big loser. He’s supposed to be the frontrunner, but he’s a frontrunner with single-digit support.

Cruz, Paul, Rubio, Kasich, Walker: I’m lumping these together because they had the same level of performance as last time. This makes them all losers. I don’t see them gaining any support as a result of this debate.

Carson: Carson looks simultaneously nervous but also like he’s on drugs or he’s drunk. He can’t say anything without rambling. I’m not sure what people saw in him during the last debate, but I think there was even less of it in this debate. I see Carson’s support falling after this debate.

The middle men:

Mike Huckabee: I think he did a lot better this debate than last debate. He had more airtime and got to say a lot of socially conservative things. I think he can pull some of Carson’s evangelical support.

Chris Christie: He did better than last debate and maybe his poll numbers will rise a percentage point or two, but it’s not good enough for Christie to move up to the top ranks.

The also winner, Donald Trump

Those who were waiting for Trump to “implode” will be very disappointed in this debate. It went a lot better for Trump than the last debate which started with the loyalty oath that he rejected and the mean-spirited question by Megyn Kelly.

Trump seems to me like a little less of a bozo this time around, and I’m not sure if it’s because he toned things down a bit, or because I’m just getting used to him. His closing remark about how America would be better if he were elected was very Presidential and he was on top of his game (if anyone was still watching after more than three hours).

I think that a lot of voters who sort of wanted to support Trump but were on the fence will be assuaged by this debate and support him, so this debate helps Trump even though he didn’t do remarkably better than in the previous debate.

The big winner, Carly Fiorina

Now there is something about her that I find very dislikeable. As I said in the previous most, maybe it’s because she reminds me a little of the senior executive women at the company I used to work for; there’s a bitchy sociopathy about her.

On the other hand, she demonstrated a great command of the issues, speaking about the nitty-gritty of policy, and at the same time she hit a home run with the evangelical wing of the party when she ranted against abortion.

Her final remark went over the heads of prole voters, but will impress elite donors with her intelligence.

Based on this debate, I definitely think that Fiorina will rise in the polls, and that the party elites who want anyone but Trump are highly likely to rally behind her.

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I forgot to add, I am very disappointed in Donald’s Trump stupid answer about believing that vaccines are related to autism, when scientific analysis clearly shows they are not. But the proles won’t care about this so it shouldn’t hurt his poll numbers.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

September 16, 2015 at 11:37 pm

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  1. I’d be ok with Fiorina. She strikes me as a serious person. If she’d adopt Trump’s position on immigration, she could steal much of Trump’s advantage (that’s the only reason why I’d consider Trump).

    Half Canadian

    September 17, 2015 at 12:12 am

    • +1…except she was a total failure in business. Would someone please drag Mitt out of the back room already!

      Viscount Douchenozzlé

      September 17, 2015 at 3:10 am

      • You’re correct here. She did fail at HP. But if she’s running against Hilliary, who failed at Sec of State, I don’t think that’s the most critical factor.

        Half Canadian

        September 17, 2015 at 3:16 pm

    • 1) She won’t adopt Trump’s position on immigration, because she’s a Chamber of Commerce Republican.

      2) She’s a good debater, but an awful candidate. She can easily get tarred as a heartless, job-slashing, former CEO, which is bad enough, but, on top of that, she’s been failing upward for 20 years. From Lucent, to HP, to getting blown out in an election for Senate in California, and now running for president.

      Dave Pinsen

      September 17, 2015 at 4:21 am

    • Also,

      3) She wants to start World War 3 with Russia. What a disaster.

      Dave Pinsen

      September 17, 2015 at 4:22 am

  2. I wonder if Carson’s lack of energy has something to do with his having been a vegetarian for so long. He probably already takes B12, but he may also benefit from supplementation with additional carninutrients, creatine in particular.


    September 17, 2015 at 12:22 am

    • This is an excellent analysis, and I am not even being facetious


      September 17, 2015 at 1:14 am

    • In the future everyone will be a vegetarian, the Left told us. But vegetarianism is not winning. I visited my ‘vegetarian’ sister in Seattle and she had a giant hamburger in front of me (‘pregnancy cravings’ she said). The failure of vegetarianism is another example of the triumph of natural reality over leftist principles.


      September 17, 2015 at 1:34 pm

    • His ‘lack of energy’ probably comes from years working in neurosurgery – where a low resting heart rate and ability to resist excessive response to stimuli are essential and trainable skills.


      September 17, 2015 at 7:43 pm

      • Exactly. But try explaining that to Americans, who were by and large selected from Europe’s peasant and/or criminal class.

        Viscount Douchenozzlé

        September 18, 2015 at 3:50 pm

  3. Fiorina is full of passion about issues she has never fought for. Suddenly she’s Rhonda Rhousey of the right. Go for it saps. She was probably a GOP plant. Put there to nail Hillary now she gets promoted on failure of Jeb and Marco. (One aside: someone in frank luntz group knew fiorinas net worth on Fox …. What a joke.


    September 17, 2015 at 12:37 am

  4. Your analysis is absolutely right in my eyes.. Fiorina is a quick witted corporate executive who didn’t need affirmative action to break the glass ceiling. Donald is a quick witted narcissist with some political savvy who I find strangely and personally likeable.


    September 17, 2015 at 12:39 am

    • I never thought about the guy, never watched his show. But with all that wolfish energy and glow, makeup or whatever it is, he is rather compelling.

      Mrs Stitch

      September 17, 2015 at 10:21 am

  5. LOTB
    Off topic but interesting.

    Many social sciences and humanities faculties in Japan are to close after universities were ordered to “serve areas that better meet society’s needs”.


    September 17, 2015 at 12:58 am

  6. Ben Carson, a celebrated neurosurgeon, could not even speak eloquently on the subject of vaccines. He allowed Trump to own him on the ONE SUBJECT about which he should have spoken with absolute authority. (Rand Paul’s response was not much better)

    I also fail to see how Trump looked “presidential” in this debate. To my eyes, he spent most of his time on camera smirking and making jerk-off-y faces of the sort you would expect from a frat boy participating in a fantasy football draft.


    September 17, 2015 at 1:10 am

    • It was relative to the last debate, and his closing remark. You are right that Trump is still sort of a bozo. But maybe he’s the bozo that the country needs.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 17, 2015 at 3:06 am

      • He’s not the bozo we deserve.
        He’s the bozo we need.

        – Jim Gordon

        Robert the Wise

        September 17, 2015 at 3:18 am

      • It seems like more prole drifting, is the cure to America’s malaise, and Trump is that antidote. Let’s bring back more factory jobs, add more casino staff and low skilled menial work, while we’re at it. I hear his Taj Mahal is hiring at below minimum wage!


        September 17, 2015 at 10:33 am

  7. Donald Trump was absolutely masterful. The way he deflected certain questions by CNN and the other Republicans was genius. He even had Jeb Bush qualifying himself to Trump.

    There is no doubt about it that Trump is a master of Game.

    One thing I did not know is that Fiorina was a secretary and her husband was a truck driver. Still, I do not like her and when the details of Lucent and Compaq come out, her candidacy is toast.

    Trump never said he was against vaccines. He simply was against the very aggressive vaccine schedule. He wants small doses over long periods of time. Perfectly reasonable. Medicine has been wrong more often than right. Vox Day discusses this on his blog.


    September 17, 2015 at 1:36 am

    • What is truly amazing is how much most of the candidates do not realize how much of their ancillary problems are caused by immigration.


      September 17, 2015 at 1:38 am

      • You’re right: while wages of blue-collar men are falling because mobs of cheap Third World labor sneaks into the country, Kasich I think it was proposes to raise the minimum wage by fifty cents over three years.


        September 17, 2015 at 11:31 am

    • Medicine isn’t wrong about there not being a link between vaccines and autism, there is convincing proof that there’s no connection.

      The autism “epidemic” is because people in the past who had autism were just diagnosed as being retarded.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 17, 2015 at 3:08 am

  8. I forgot to add, I am very disappointed in Donald’s Trump stupid answer about believing that vaccines are related to autism, when scientific analysis clearly shows they are not.

    How does the scientific analysis show that vaccines are clearly NOT related to autism? It seems like proving such a negative would be close to impossible? Just because most children are fine after vaccinations doesn’t mean that vaccines do not cause or trigger certain conditions in some children. (99% of people have no adverse reactions to peanuts, but this food does, in fact, cause sickness or death in the 1%.)

    There is a survey comparing vaccinated boys with the unvaccinated boys in California and Oregon.
    How does one account for the significant increase in incidences of certain neurological disorders among the vaccinated children?

    I understand that the CDC, NIH, and other health officials have a responsibility to ensure that diseases are not spread, and vaccines are an effective way to prevent certain diseases. That’s why some studies are done to appease the parents. But studies that claim that there is definitely no link between autism and vaccines need to be rigorously examined, and not by the study authors’ “friends”.


    September 17, 2015 at 1:54 am

    • “How does the scientific analysis show that vaccines are clearly NOT related to autism?”

      When countries changed their vaccine schedules, there was no change in the number of autism cases.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 17, 2015 at 3:10 am

      • They were comparing autism rates of different vaccine schedules, not comparing vaccinated vs unvaccinated.


        September 17, 2015 at 11:51 am

    • Why are they asking about vaccines? On a list of America’s problems that’s about 500th. These debates are really all about trying to get woops answers. Like they expected Trump to say ‘I think we should just lock up all the retards’ or something.


      September 17, 2015 at 9:02 am

  9. It would be pretty funny if the candidates end up being Fiorina/Carson.


    September 17, 2015 at 3:10 am

  10. The various news outlets seem remarkably disorganized at the moment, but perhaps that’s because the debate ended so late. Perhaps there will be better polls in the morning.

    From what I can see, Trump won Drudge’s poll convincingly (61%), Fiorina second at 16%. Carson got 4% and ¡Jeb! 1%.

    The Telegraph’s poll had a confusing like/dislike format, but showed Fiorina as winning with a better difference while Trump at second had more likes overall. Since it’s on the wrong continent, the relevance may be low.

    Both of these were of course online polls, so subject to vote stuffing etc. But they confirm that Trump and Fiorina were the winners. Keep this up, Carly, and we might see Fiorina as the next GOP-approved choice. How about seeing two botoxed reptilian bots mechanically clawing at each other in the general election?

    For those who think intelligence and policy statements and such should decide, it should be noted that the news concentrated not on who had the best plans but on who dominated the other or who zingered who, with occasional meaningless references to whatever the details were. It’s a 99% pure personality contest. (The last 1% is for too egregious answers.) At this point, the only candidate with successful appeal on ‘issues’ is actually Trump and that’s done outside the debate format.


    September 17, 2015 at 3:41 am

  11. Ben Carson the pediatric neurosurgeon implied the current vaccination regimen is indeed damaging children. He said vaccinations have no connection to autism, but then agreed with Trump that vaccinations need to be more widely spaced with smaller individual doses. However, he didn’t explain why the change was necessary. If not to counteract the (nonexistent) “explosion” in autism, why the need to change the usual prescribed manner of giving vaccinations to children? I leave open the possibility that Carson, who is a Creationist, is talking through the wrong end of his stethoscope.

    Mark Caplan

    September 17, 2015 at 4:00 am

    • He was just throwing a bone to evangelicals because vaccine-skepticism has grown among them.


      September 17, 2015 at 10:31 am

      • Or maybe the typical schedule really is too aggressive, but set that way because increasing the number of visits would make it harder for poor or lazy people to meet their children’s vaccination requirements.


        September 17, 2015 at 1:25 pm

      • Has it? My impression was that it was a hippie-SWPL thing, not an evangelical thing.

        Half Canadian

        September 17, 2015 at 3:18 pm

      • It’s a weird cross over where the crazies agree. It almost makes me wonder if they might be on to something…


        September 17, 2015 at 11:00 pm

      • @Half Canadian, yes, judging by my Facebook feed, there is a subset of the evangelical community that has latched onto the anti-vaccine thing.


        September 18, 2015 at 9:37 am

  12. Fiorina won’t even talk to Putin, goes straight to bulling and belligerence. She is an incredibly nasty piece of work.
    Trump will talk to Putin as a way of solving problems. Actually a pretty good approach. Trump is the only one that may be able to change insane US policy.

    Everyone agrees that Assad is the enemy of the US. Why? And who are the friends?

    Trump agreed that not bombing Assad is the cause of the refugee crises in Syria?

    Won’t hurt Trump in the polls, though.


    September 17, 2015 at 6:11 am

    • “Everyone agrees that Assad is the enemy of the US. Why?”

      Because he’s friendly with our enemies (Iran, Russia) and enemies with our friend (Israel), and he supports the Hezbollah Shi’ite terrorist organization.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 17, 2015 at 8:55 am

      • Russia isn’t an enemy of the US. The whole Muslim world hates Israel, this isn’t a reason for US to go to war with them. Who are the friends, Lion?


        September 17, 2015 at 9:18 am

      • Well, OK, and the Assad regime has been exceptionally brutal, even by Middle East standards. OTOH, the Assads are sworn enemies of the ISIS/Al-Qaeda folks, as are Iran and the Shiite militias. And they all hate Israel (and the US, for that matter). Not sure what we’re trying to accomplish here.

        Black Death

        September 17, 2015 at 9:53 am

      • Donald Trump said we should let them fight each other.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 17, 2015 at 10:01 am

      • Once again, Trump gets it right.

        Black Death

        September 17, 2015 at 10:22 am

      • Assad may not be our BFF but we are better off with him in power than ISIS.

        Just like we were better off with Saddam in power than his successors.


        September 17, 2015 at 12:35 pm

  13. Any woman who can’t see how fundamentally demoralizing it must be for a country with a representative government to be presided over by a woman is unfit to preside over such a country. Yes, Thatcher … but it is an embarrassment for the British that their Thatcher had to be a woman.
    Trump is right to make remarks about Carly’s face. This is the only sort of comment on Carly that any of the Republican candidates should be making. Comments on her tone of voice, degree of physical grace, and clothing style would also be appropriate. If she attempts to converse about political topics, they should just chuckle and shake their heads.


    September 17, 2015 at 7:14 am

    • And yet, Trump won that exchange in the Debate.

      See, while the moderators asked Trump about how pretty Carly’s face was…. The cameras zoomed in on Carly’s face! He didn’t have to say anything. The point was made for him. Plus he actually did say that the face was beautiful, so the issue is now over.


      September 17, 2015 at 12:06 pm

    • Queen Elizabeth I ruled England for 44 years. Queen Victoria ruled England for 63 years. So this ship sailed in 1558. Both were tough stalwarts under whose reigns Britain saw massive global gains. Admittedly Victoria was a constitutional monarch, but she set the national ethos. Both queens defined great eras of British history.

      Empire under the banner of ‘God Save the Queen’ was a massive success.


      September 17, 2015 at 12:19 pm

      • For that matter Catherine the Great of Russia reined for 34 years in the 1700s in a period marked by great territorial expansion. Queen Isabella of Spain completed the Reconquista. Golda Meir in Israel had the title of Iron Lady before Thatcher did. Maria Theresa in Austria is regarded as having a successful 40 year reign that vastly improved that country’s standing.


        September 17, 2015 at 12:33 pm

      • Victoria didn’t really rule. She reigned. The decisions that brought the big gains in the 1800s were made by male Prime Ministers.


        September 17, 2015 at 12:36 pm

      • Queens are a different matter. Meir was a disaster (socialist, Yom Kippur war), but that’s irrelevant; the point is that even if a female president/prime-minister is competent (Thatcher) it’s demoralizing to her country to have to have been presided over by a competent woman.


        September 17, 2015 at 1:19 pm

      • @ Dan

        Maybe those English women’s reigns were so great because, as women trained in the etiquette of the time, they deferred to the judgement of their male advisers. Male monarchs such as Henry VIII may have been less likely to listen to their intellectual betters, and more likely to decide things for themselves, misguidedly.


        September 17, 2015 at 1:30 pm

      • Or they were raised to be masculine in their outlook so they could be good leaders.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 17, 2015 at 2:11 pm

      • The great Elizabethan achievement was the religious settlement. Henry the VIII killed the Protestants first. Then he converted and killed the Catholics. Edward was next and killed the Catholics in his short reign. Mary I (Bloody Mary) reversed court and went to town on the Protestants during her short reign, earning her nickname.

        Then Elizabeth came in and killed the fanatics on both sides while allowing a broad middle for people to worship as they wanted as long as they didn’t cause trouble. There followed a long era of peace. As far as I know that strategy was hers.


        September 17, 2015 at 3:26 pm

      • John Knox on lady leaders, written in 1558:

        “For who can denie but it repugneth to nature, that the blind shal be appointed to leade and conduct such as do see? That the weake, the sicke, and impotent persones shall norishe and kepe the hole and strong, and finallie, that the foolishe, madde and phrenetike shal gouerne the discrete, and giue counsel to such as be sober of mind? And such be al women, compared vnto man in bearing of authoritie. For their sight in ciuile regiment, is but blindnes: their strength, weaknes: their counsel, foolishenes: and judgement, phrenesie, if it be rightlie considered.”


        September 17, 2015 at 3:47 pm

      • Regarding Eliz. 1, whether true or not, Lord Burghley, later Salisbury, is generally given credit for running the nation during her reign (when her boyfriend Dudley wasn’t).

        The point about the religious settlement is a good one. But, Eliz.1 didn’t create the even handed crackdown strategy on both Puritans and Catholics, her father had done that as well. Plus, not many people of either party were killed domestically by the state during those reigns at least not in modern terms. Most enemies of the state were incarcerated with a few beheaded. There was no large-scale killing of Catholics during either Henry or Elizabeth’s reigns though both would crack down on uprisings. Bloody Mary burned quite a few Protestants and was thus in a different league.


        September 18, 2015 at 10:38 am

  14. Trump’s comment about Fiorina’s face was despicable. A man should never make negative comments about a woman’s appearance. The moderator brought it up and embarrassed her again in order to hurt Trump. Very low level of culture. This comment realy puts me off.


    September 17, 2015 at 7:53 am

    • The meta-message is pure Alpha — “I am not PC, I am not a white knight, and I am not going to truckle to feminists”.

      I’d vote for that!


      September 17, 2015 at 12:39 pm

      • I’m far from PC, but if you dis a woman, you are an animal. Any woman should be treated like a lady.


        September 17, 2015 at 2:16 pm

      • A woman need only be treated like a lady if she acts like a lady.

        If she’s a fat vulgarian actress, an obnoxious journalist, or a pushy political candidate, then she checked her lady privilege at the door. She has no right to get in the ring with the men and then whine, “Don’t hit me, I’m a girl!”


        September 17, 2015 at 3:21 pm

      • Yeah, I’m with Yakov. She’s not using sex-appeal in her campaigning. She isn’t flashing leg or cleavage. She’s acting professional, and she should be treated professionally, as with the other candidates.
        Trump came off as juvenile when he disparaged her looks.

        Half Canadian

        September 17, 2015 at 3:22 pm

      • Yakov, I would have agreed with you when I was in my 20s, 20 years ago. And I understand how someone not from the US would still think this way. But the things I have heard women say, now that they are not culturally constrained, changed that for me forever.
        Try to talk to a feminist pinhead apartment complex manager in Denver when you are fighting for the return of a security deposit that is rightly yours. More disrespectful treatment than anything I’ve ever experienced dealing with men, including a couple of physical fights as an adult. There are many other examples that have done it for me.

        Copperhead Joe

        September 17, 2015 at 3:25 pm

      • I dunno. Growing up in Russia one of my favorite books was ‘The White Company’. Sir Nigel suffered an injury to his eye rather than hurt a woman, I wouldn’t go that far, but any woman should be treated with difference. If she is nasty and foul mouthed, than she is a perversion of what a woman should be and I can only pitty her.


        September 17, 2015 at 6:03 pm

      • The idea that any woman should be treated with deference is totally untenable, particularly if the woman in question (a) was the CEO of a major corporation, and (b) wants to be President. Her past experience indicates that she is tough — you do not get “deference” when you’re climbing the corporate ladder. If she wants to be President, then she needs to be tested with lack of deference NOW, before she is elected, because she will not get deference from the Putins and Khameneis of the world.

        Bottom line: a woman who needs, and insists upon, “deference to a lady” is unfit to be President.


        September 17, 2015 at 8:02 pm

      • But a man that publicly insults and humiliates a 61 year old woman on account of her looks is fit to be president? I don’t think that either Putin or Netanyahu will do it.


        September 17, 2015 at 8:32 pm

      • But a man that publicly insults and humiliates a 61 year old woman on account of her looks is fit to be president? I don’t think that either Putin or Netanyahu will do it.

        He did not insult a “civilian” – e.g., some granny he met on the campaign trail. He insulted another candidate. She is fair game.

        “Is she attractive enough to be our nominee?” is a legitimate question for the other candidates to ask. It is no different from asking whether people will vote for the fat guy from New Jersey. If she is not tough enough to take it, she has no business running. If she got the nomination, she would surely encounter an even greater degree of insult and humiliation from the Democrats and their lackeys.

        The point is not that Putin will insult her looks, but that he will not give her any deference for being a lady. If she is unable to handle the lack of deference from other American politicians, she will be unable to handle an even greater lack of deference from much more ruthless foreign politicians.


        September 18, 2015 at 10:12 am

    • A saying goes, that politics is show business, for unattractive people.


      September 17, 2015 at 12:46 pm

    • All I’m saying is I’ll be nice to Fiorina, she can be Secretariat of State.


      September 17, 2015 at 1:11 pm

    • Fiorina’s first husband is very critical of her in a Daily Mail story.


      September 17, 2015 at 1:29 pm

  15. Carly knocked it out of the park last night. She is going to give them all a run for their money.


    September 17, 2015 at 11:41 am

  16. Regarding three hours of debating…

    I previously thought that having a GOP circular firing squad was insane and stupid. But on the other hand, having a room full of conservatives arguing for 3 hours would seem to move the Overton Window to the right. “Be a conservative. Everyone is doing it.” Lots of people who would never find themselves in a room with 11 fired up conservatives are virtually in such a room.

    Another advantage of a bigger field for Republicans is that a conservative viewpoint is not isolated. How can a conservative viewpoint seem extreme when there is a whole room full of people agreeing with it?

    Because the Dems aren’t having their debates, it seems like they aren’t even part of the argument.


    September 17, 2015 at 11:59 am

    • I was originally critical of both the format (where the moderators try to pick fights between the candidates) and the length, but I have to admit, it was one of the better debates I’ve seen. Everyone could speak as much as they were willing to assert themselves, and there was a lot of good back and forth between the candidates. Maybe you need three hours so people can speak longer than 30 seconds before being shushed by the moderator.

      Mike Street Station

      September 17, 2015 at 1:47 pm

  17. All women are beautiful, it’s just that some are more beautiful than others.


    September 17, 2015 at 12:04 pm

  18. At least the media is promoting Fiorina and not Rubio or Carson. Fiorina isn’t going anywhere.


    September 17, 2015 at 12:44 pm

  19. The only place Trump missed an opportunity was when he was called an “entertainer” and had an “itchy finger” on the nuke button. Given the venue, he should have said something like “well yeah, seems to me the last time the country was lead by a guy accused of those things we had it pretty good.” It would have brought the house down.

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    September 17, 2015 at 12:47 pm

    • What Trump should have done was be prepared for foreign policy specifics. He wasn’t and that surprised me. He can’t ride shtick all the way to the nomination. He has to, at some point, start sounding like he has a good grasp on policy. He has not done that yet.

      Mike Street Station

      September 17, 2015 at 1:49 pm

  20. If you are a low information voter I suppose you could get the impression that Carly Fiorina demonstrated command of the issues. Unfortunately, Fiorina most passionate moment when she was attacking planned parenthood was almost entirely factually incorrect.

    Fiorina said: “As regards Planned Parenthood, anyone who has watched this videotape, I dare Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama to watch these tapes. Watch a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking while someone says we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain.”

    There is a disgruntled former technician interviewed in one of the tapes. She talks about fetal hearts-beating and brain-harvesting, but there are no other witness or evidence to back up her claims. She admits at one point that the heartbeat was a response to an instruments and she definitely never says anything about keeping a fetus alive to harvest the brain.

    In the video during this interview, CMP cut in couple of stock images that have nothing to do with Planned Parenthood. The one of a “fully formed fetus” that Florina was probably referring to is an image of a stillborn infant taken off the internet (without permission). This image is of a tragic stillbirth. It has nothing to do with abortion. It has nothing to do with Planned Parenthood. It has nothing to do with fetal tissue.

    In other words Carly Fiorina was totally fooled by a deceptively edited video.

    Of course in a Republican debate, nobody is going to call Carly Fiorina on her factually incorrect claims, because they all get their information from FOX News and other right wing news organizations that don’t bother to report these details. If Carly ever got to a debate with a Democrat, they would call her on her miss-information and demand she apologize to Planned Parenthood.


    September 17, 2015 at 1:40 pm

    • The description of the August 19 CMP video clearly indicates that the fetus shown is Walter Fretz, born prematurely at 19 weeks, with the image taken from a Daily Mail news article. It may not be that particular fetus the technician has been describing, but it is of the same age nonetheless. And so far, no co-worker or physician has denied the technician’s statements about her gruesome job at the clinic. Whether the fetus was technically dead when she harvested the organs, who knows?

      The part about “keeping it alive” for organ harvesting might be a stretch of Fiorina’s imagination. According to the videos, PP does try to kill the baby inside the womb during an abortion.


      September 17, 2015 at 4:23 pm

      • “The part about “keeping it alive” for organ harvesting might be a stretch of Fiorina’s imagination. According to the videos, PP does try to kill the baby inside the womb during an abortion.”

        The whole description Fiorina gave is wrong. She said “Watch a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking while someone says we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain.”

        That whole description is total nonsense.


        September 18, 2015 at 12:31 am

  21. A positive about Trump that’s worth mentioning is that he actually debates. He has opinions on everybody and likes to start arguments. From a democracy perspective, I think that’s much superior to candidates who just kind of shuffle their feet when asked to comment on the qualifications or competence of a rival. I often wonder what, say, Ted Cruz says about the others when he’s speaking alone to his wife. You don’t have to wonder about that with Trump.

    I really do not get Carson. He has a gentle demeanor that I could imagine making him a pleasant doctor for children, but you’re right, Lion, that his behavior in debates is simply bizarre. His superficial, often insultingly ignorant answers to ordinary questions are worse than your average ignorant man-on-the-street’s. He does not read as “smart” at all. You have to keep reminding yourself that he’s a literal brain surgeon.

    The only conclusion I can reach is that he is indeed some sort of symbol or cipher for the Evangelical community. Someone completely empty that hopes and dreams can be projected onto. The media really seems to have no clue how to deal with him and he’s often ignored as a result. He’s just such a bizarre, pointless person.


    September 17, 2015 at 2:21 pm

    • Usually you can see the hourglass spinning as they try to remember the anodyne responses concocted by their handlers.

      (The ability to do so smoothly is what Lion refers to as “gravitas”.)


      September 17, 2015 at 3:23 pm

      • Hilarious!

        Lion of the Judah-sphere

        September 17, 2015 at 9:30 pm

    • I thought Lion put it pretty succinctly: the social conservative/evangelical wing of the Republican party is desperate to prove they’re not racists. (A Sisyphean task, not because they actually are racists, but because liberals will never believe them; but that won’t stop them from continuing to try.)


      September 17, 2015 at 4:23 pm

      • It makes me wonder why he is going along with it, though. He doesn’t seem vain, but I guess he has come to believe other people’s hype about himself. If he has any self-awareness at all he surely has to feel he is completely out of his league.


        September 17, 2015 at 5:45 pm

      • It’s all a bit strange. Surely the party realises that The number of Republicans would not vote for a black candidate is larger than the number of Democrats/independents who would vote Republican because the candidate was black.


        September 17, 2015 at 8:02 pm

    • Carson seems the least educated on the topics out of anyone currently in the field. Most of his answers just made me think, “WTF”. Trump is pretty uneducated too, but at least has some snappy, witty responses, even when he’s stumped.

      Lion of the Judah-sphere

      September 17, 2015 at 7:10 pm

  22. Anybody expecting Trump to lose on TV must have lived under a rock for the past thirty years. Fiorina is obviously well coached for the fake issues that the media is throwing at the candidates. Meaningless to most voters. Most of these issues resonate with less then a tenth of the voting public. If the GOP nominates Carson then we can just write them off. Magic Negro is so 2008.
    Trump will be screwed in the caucuses like Ron Paul was. The big wig Whigs have plenty of dirty tricks to throw at him when the primaries come up. I want them to dump Trump. Those Dead Elephants need to go to the Elephant Graveyard already, they don’t represent anybody anymore. Krispy Kreme Christy and Jeb Boosh shows just how irrelevant they are.
    Trump can spend a Billion of his own cash and never miss it. A third party run would kill the GOP for good. The Party of Lincoln needs to die now.

    Joshua Sinistar

    September 17, 2015 at 9:46 pm

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