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Carson’s blackness

In case you haven’t noticed, Carson is black. You might not have noticed because he behaves a lot more like a white evangelical Christian than a black man.

How does this affect the race? (That’s the presidential race and not Carson’s biological race.)

The evangelical right loves the fact that Carson is black. Evangelicals, more so than all other Republicans, are very saddened that people think they are racist, which as we all know is the most evil kind of person imaginable. Evangelicals believe that by supporting a black candidate, they will finally prove to everyone that they are full of Love for people of all races, and that the liberals will be so amazed that they will find Christ and support anti-abortion laws thereby preventing the murder of millions of innocent babies. Then God will reward everyone for this victory of Christianity over the forces of atheism.

Of course, that’s now how it’s going to play out. Liberals aren’t that stupid. They know they hate Republicans, conservatives, and evangelical Christianity. Carson will be portrayed as an Uncle Tom who is ashamed of being black (in addition to being a crazy religious nut who believes in Creationism and Bible-based taxation). Not a single white person, who would normally vote Democratic, will vote Republican because the Republican is black. Nor will any non-black Hispanics. A few black people will vote for Carson; maybe Carson will win 10% of the black vote instead of the normal 0%, but that’s not going to make any difference and Carson would lose in a massive landslide on account of the fact that he’s a horrible politician (although he seems like a nice and well-meaning person).

I admit, however, to being clueless as to whether the Republican political elite and their rich donors will support Carson if he appears to be the only candidate with a realistic chance of beating Trump in the primary elections. In any event, they are not going to make any decisions about that until after tonight’s debate and there are some post-debate polls.

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The Republican political elite and their rich donors are probably hoping that Carly Fiorina can somehow win this debate, get a big boost in post-debate polls, and they can then throw their support behind her. It’s a longshot, but not impossible. She’s the only candidate other than Carson or Trump who is coming into this debate with momentum in the polls.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

September 16, 2015 at 1:07 pm

Posted in Politics

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  1. Likewise, Cruz, Rubio or Jeb”I identify as Latino” Bush would lose the Hispanic vote to Hillary, Sanders or Biden.

    Brendan

    September 16, 2015 at 1:12 pm

    • Provincial politics in NYC is very race-based driven. The same goes for greater Meriprolestan.

      Latinos are a mixed bag, and vote according to their racial affiliation. Cruz & Rubio would never get many votes from mestizos and mulattos, but will garner much votes from White Hispanic and Castizo (3/4 White 1/4 Native – Sophia Vergara) types.

      JS

      September 16, 2015 at 1:31 pm

  2. Trump has got the closet racists, and Carson is Republicans who are desperate not to be seen as racist.

    However, I think you underestimate the extent to which perceptions can change and there can be realignments. A black person, especially an American black who grew up poor in the inner city, can shake things up. It’s hard to portray him as an Uncle Tom because he doesn’t come across as polished enough. Carlton is no Carlton Banks.

    I think he might get 30% of the black vote, maybe more.

    Hepp

    September 16, 2015 at 1:26 pm

    • History has shown that black people don’t vote Republican just because there’s a black candidate. On top of that, Carson has no charisma. He’s not the person who will lead anyone to a new political realignment. Black leaders with a lot more charisma will be telling black people not to vote for Carson.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 16, 2015 at 1:31 pm

      • I wouldn’t trust history, presidential campaigns are different. While studies show that blacks don’t vote for black Republicans, I bet in a lot of congressional races they don’t even know the race of the person they’re voting for, they’re just voting on party lines.

        A presidential campaign is different, where everyone knows the faces of people who are running. Also as a presidential candidate, a person can go over the heads of the media and charismatic black people who are less famous.

        It’s all hard to predict because there is no real precedent for Republicans nominating a minority to run for president.

        Hepp

        September 16, 2015 at 1:36 pm

      • Correct, Carson will fall into the wayside like Herman Cain. Black Republicans are asking for a death sentence in politics.

        JS

        September 16, 2015 at 1:38 pm

      • I think Trump would get even more of the black vote than Carson. More than any Republican candidate has in decades. In fact, I think he’ll get a higher percentage of all the groups people normally expect to go to Dems — hispanics, women, jews, etc. Trump said he’d get more of the hispanic vote and polls show that he is. He’s also doing extremely well with women in spite of allegations that he’s chauvinistic. Women like an alpha. And it doesn’t get much more alpha than Trump. But I think there’s more to it. 2/3 of hispanics don’t support immigration. And why should they? Immigration hits them harder than any other demographic except maybe blacks. And he hasn’t been beating the drum for lower taxes and less welfare which puts them off. I also think they like seeing Trump give the GOP establishment hell. The fact that the GOP establishment hates him is probably helping him not only with whites but other groups that normally go with the Dems. One last thing, I think a lot of women secretly liked seeing Trump’s takedown of Kelly Megyn or Megyn Kelly or whatever her name is.

        destructure

        September 16, 2015 at 5:21 pm

      • Women resent successful and extremely pretty young women like Megyn kelly.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 16, 2015 at 5:57 pm

      • I don’t know if I’d call Megyn Kelly “young”, although she’s extremely hot for 44 so same difference.

        Jokah Macpherson

        September 16, 2015 at 6:12 pm

      • Damn, Kelly Megyn ain’t all that…

        Lion of the Judah-sphere

        September 16, 2015 at 11:06 pm

  3. Oh you got that right Lion. I see it here with the local GOP. The old RINOs were big on Powell and then Condoleeza Rice. But the more religious ones now really really like Carson. In fact they had already caravanned out of town to hear him speak 2 years ago. No way can he win – besides everything else his affect seems too low key and sleepy – but it just makes them feel sooo good inside! Everyone will love our Black candidate!

    Mrs Stitch

    September 16, 2015 at 1:30 pm

  4. You asked how this affects the race????? I think it’s pretty obvious since every poll taken in the last 30 days shows blacks favor Clinton to Carson 20 to 1. Carson could end up winning the Republican nomination alright. If he does, it will be 4 more years of bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger government.

    loaper73

    September 16, 2015 at 1:30 pm

  5. Carly Fiorina is not Italian, but her husband is your typical IA prole, who was a working class bloke, and got wealthy, working up the corporate ladder. He loves shopping at Costco. This goes to show you, that proles have cheap tastes.

    JS

    September 16, 2015 at 2:01 pm

  6. “I admit, however, to being clueless as to whether the Republican political elite and their rich donors will support Carson if he appears to be the only candidate with a realistic chance of beating Trump in the primary elections. In any event,”

    I don’t see how they would. Carson is too much of an outsider. I suspect Carson, like Huckabee, will remain strong for a while and make a run through the primaries, but as the evangelical candidate, won’t get near enough delegates to win at the convention. I think the establishment types planned their usual divide and conqueror strategy with conservatives; encouraging multiple conservative candidates to run to split the usual conservative vote and then have everyone else coalesce around the chosen establishment candidate.

    But Trump spoiled everything!

    So they will have to go full bore against Trump to get him out, by fair or foul means, so that Jeb! may ascend to rightful place on the Iron Throne.

    Mike Street Station

    September 16, 2015 at 2:08 pm

  7. I actually think that Trump with Carson as V.P. would be a formidable ticket. It would solidify the religous right support and bring more anti-establishment and black votes.

    Remember that Mitt Romney won 20 percent of the young, black male vote primarily because of his stance against illegal immigration. There are a lot of black people that like Donald Trump and adding Carson could get those numbers up.

    I am not an evangelical but i really like and respect Ben Carson. He is a good role model and a good man. Some of his biblical references may be hokey but he is communicating to regular people in a way that they can understand. He is smart enough to know what is realistic and what is not. Donald and Ben would be an odd couple but stranger things have happened.

    B.T.D.T.

    September 16, 2015 at 2:09 pm

    • Picking the guy you ran against for VP has always been a sound political strategy. It worked for Reagan.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 16, 2015 at 2:23 pm

      • A Trump/Carson ticket is an intriguing idea. The only problem is, with Trump being a political outsider, he almost has to pick someone who does have political experience.

        Hermes

        September 16, 2015 at 6:38 pm

      • Mitt Romney would be a great pick but he may not want the job. The alternative is to find some prominent old-timer Republican who Trump hasn’t gotten into a spat with.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 16, 2015 at 6:54 pm

      • That’s how I read it. Carson is nice to Trump especially because he sees Trump as needing him for VP. Trump might have gone for Fiorina because of the woman-policy wonk factor, but I doubt now after her rants against him.

        A Trump vs Sanders match would be a classic.

        Rob

        September 17, 2015 at 2:09 am

    • Carson is a good man, but denying evolution is bizzare. I beleive in both: intelligent design and evolution. Also, if anything happens to Trump, he is not ready to lead the country. Trump needs a VP that is committed to his agenda and is capable of implementing it.

      It would be nice to run with Carson, but replace him right after elections, but I guess it can’t be done.

      Yakov

      September 16, 2015 at 3:28 pm

      • How can you believe in both intelligent design and evolution?

        jef

        September 16, 2015 at 7:27 pm

      • Evolution is a fact that cannot be ignored, but it has to be explained. Therefore we have to say that similar to magnetism and gravitation, it’s the way Almighty operates in the universe.

        Yakov

        September 16, 2015 at 11:27 pm

  8. Wow, that really is a twisted reason to support Carson, but it makes sense. I had no idea what the Carson appeal was but now it’s clear that Carson is evangelicals’ Obama.

    bjdubbs

    September 16, 2015 at 2:35 pm

  9. Looks like in the first episode of the new South Park season they are taking on Bruce Jenner (I haven’t watched yet). I would guess we have to assume they are going to take on Trump and/or the Republican field. I wonder how they’ll fall on the Trump thing? South Park was pretty pro-immigration with it’s stupid “jerbs” episode.

    peterike

    September 16, 2015 at 3:28 pm

  10. I really like Ben Carson, despite his religious right beliefs. His mere existence pisses off both the extreme left and the extreme right. He’s a Black man who doesn’t need handouts from White taxpayers to be successful. He’s also against affirmative action, is a member of the Republican party, and has conservative values. Those things piss off extreme left wingnuts. He’s also a Black man who has a higher IQ than most White men. That alone pisses off extreme right wingnuts.

    Ben Carson 2016!

    SC

    September 16, 2015 at 4:00 pm

    • I have to admit liking Carson for all those reasons too; I just don’t think he’d make a good President. And his views on evolution are irrelevant. It’s funny to see liberals make such a big deal over evolution when so many of them don’t understand it themselves. Despite what they say about “scientific literacy,” they don’t care whether someone really understands it, only that they say they believe it. That’s because the main reason they care about is that they view it as philosophical justification for/vindication of social and cultural liberalism; i.e., if God didn’t specially create man in his current form, then abortion, homosexuality, pornography, obscenity, etc. are OK.

      Hermes

      September 16, 2015 at 6:31 pm

      • “if God didn’t specially create man in his current form, then abortion, homosexuality, pornography, obscenity, etc. are OK”

        That’s reading WAY too much into it. Liberals just like feeling smarter than Xtians that’s all.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 16, 2015 at 6:53 pm

      • That’s reading WAY too much into it. Liberals just like feeling smarter than Xtians that’s all.

        I agree that liberals like feeling smarter than Christians, but I think that what I said is valid as well. I can’t point to any specific statements on the part of liberals saying that, and in fact I think they would deny it, but years of occasional lurking on liberal online fora, plus plenty of overheard comments and conversations from liberal colleagues, give me the unmistakable impression that for them evolution and social liberalism are inextricably linked.

        Hermes

        September 16, 2015 at 10:41 pm

      • They only like evolution because they can feel smarter than Christians. They become creationists when HBD comes up.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 16, 2015 at 10:54 pm

      • They only like evolution because they can feel smarter than Christians.

        Basically. Same with the New Atheists. Bunch of nerds who like to feel like the smartest little boys in the room.

        They become creationists when HBD comes up.

        True even of actual tenured evolutionary science professors.

        Rifleman

        September 16, 2015 at 11:24 pm

  11. “Evangelicals believe that by supporting a black candidate, they will finally prove to everyone that they are full of Love for people of all races, and that the liberals will be so amazed that they will find Christ and support anti-abortion laws thereby preventing the murder of millions of innocent babies. Then God will reward everyone for this victory of Christianity over the forces of atheism”

    I grew up in an Evangelical church in England. I find this post really funny, because you have described them to a ‘t’. I can’t even bear to read my sister’s facebook posts any more, and I really don’t care if I never see another ‘beautiful black baby’ who has been made in the Image Of God.

    prolier than thou

    September 16, 2015 at 4:48 pm

    • I too am sick of all the gushing over Facebook photos of white evangelical couples and their “beautiful” adopted black babies.

      Hermes

      September 16, 2015 at 6:33 pm

  12. Correct, if Carson were to win the nomination and be the Republican candidate, he would be treated by the liberal media as an “honorary” (or is that dishonorary?) Wrong Kind of White Person.

    Hermes

    September 16, 2015 at 4:49 pm

  13. If Carly Fiorina won I would seriously consider voting for Hilary.

    jasonbayz

    September 16, 2015 at 5:27 pm

  14. Ben Carson is only being propped up by the Republican establishment because they know Bush can’t beat Trump, and they know blacks are popular right now.

    Lion of the Judah-sphere

    September 16, 2015 at 11:14 pm

  15. If Trump went into Black areas kissing babies and promising to put Blacks in infrastructure rebuild jobs the crowd would go wild for him IMHO.

    Rob

    September 18, 2015 at 2:14 pm

  16. Reblogged this on oogenhand and commented:
    “I really like Ben Carson, despite his religious right beliefs. His mere existence pisses off both the extreme left and the extreme right. He’s a Black man who doesn’t need handouts from White taxpayers to be successful. He’s also against affirmative action, is a member of the Republican party, and has conservative values. Those things piss off extreme left wingnuts. He’s also a Black man who has a higher IQ than most White men. That alone pisses off extreme right wingnuts.

    Ben Carson 2016!”

    Interesting man, yes…

    oogenhand

    September 24, 2015 at 1:12 pm


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