Lion of the Blogosphere

Debate time

If I feel like live-blogging anything, you will read it here. I can’t make any promises.

8:06 Wolf Blitzer: I remember him from watching CNN during the first Gulf War. OK, that has nothing to do with the debate, I was just being nostalgic.

Intros:

Paul: Conspiracy tinged.
Huckabee: Very gracious, praised the other candidates.
Rubio: No gravitas.
Cruz: Looks like a bird.
Carson: Looks nervous while at the same time looks like he might fall asleep.
Trump: Very presidential looking opener.
Bush: Yawn.
Walker: Yawn.
Fiorina: There’s something about her I just don’t like. Probably because she reminds me of the sociopathic morons running the company I used to work for.
Kasich: Rambling, no point. Stumbles on his words.
Christie: Third-best opener after Trump and Huckabee.

8:19: CNN talking about Trump controlling the nuclear codes. Blatantly anti-Trump question.

Rand calls Trump “sophomoric” and having junior high school personality.

Jeb is shown giggling at Bush. Not very presidential, Jeb.

8:26 Trump is bragging to Walker about how much better he’s doing in the polls.

8:28 Christie is on fire this debate.

8:29 Carson sounds like he’s on Valium or he’s drunk.

8:30 Wow I really can’t stand Fiorina. Surely other voters must bet getting the same vibe. She can’t win.

8:32 Trump brags that he could raise double or triple what Bush raised if he wants to.

Then Trump and Bush argue about whether he wanted to bring casino gambling to Florida. They say the other is lying.

8:37 Rubio looks like a little kid who snuck into an R-rated movie.

8:39 Fiorina gave a pretty good foreign policy speech, but I still can’t stand her.

8:41 Kasich sounds like the adult in the room.

8:55 Huckabee is on fire with his support for Kim Davis. Maybe Huckabee can pull away Carson’s evangelical support with this performance.

8:59 Every candidate has to say how much they hate Planned Parenthood.

9:02 Fiorina has a big round of applause for her anti-Planned Parenthood screed.

9:38 Huckabee is pushing his stupid FairTax again.

9:41 Trump stands up for graduated tax rates.

9:42: Paul is a moron. He understands nothing about business taxation. It has nothing to do with there being graduated tax rates.

9:48 Wow this is a long debate.

10:17 A three hour debate is too long. This is crazy. As Trump said, CNN is milking Trumps popularity to have big ratings for three hours.

10:24 Great NumbersUSA anti-immigration ad!

10:51 The never-ending debate. Does CNN plan on cutting this off at 11?

11:00 This debate is still going on. Paul just finished rambling about something.

11:12 FINALLY it’s over.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

September 16, 2015 at EST pm

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  1. “Fiorina: There’s something about her I just don’t like. Probably because she reminds me of the sociopathic morons running the company I used to work for.”

    Anyone who worked at HP would say that “sociopathic moron” describes her in a nutshell.

    Sid

    September 16, 2015 at EST pm

  2. “Fiorina: There’s something about her I just don’t like.”

    It’s her Italian last name. Lion is afraid that she may prove appealing to the voters in Staten Island. And how can he vote for someone who appeals to the folks in guidoland? (just kidding!)

    Maryk

    September 16, 2015 at EST pm

    • The residents in Guido Island are probably voting for Trump, since he’s a local, and speaks in a NY accent, with all the prole speak, to make them in total agreement. Trump comes off as an irrational, provincial bigot that rubs well, with the Sals and Vinnys of the world. Chris Christie is another one, but I say Trump, because he’s leading in the polls.

      JS

      September 16, 2015 at EST pm

      • I am sure that Trump will win Staten Island.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 16, 2015 at EST pm

      • Ah, so the guidos in Staten Island have a chance to vote for an IA prole (Christie) but prefer Trump? I guess it means that ethnicity doesn’t trump everything (excuse the pun) for them.

        I hear that Montreal has some Italian Canadians. I hope they’re treating you well. I have a cousin in Ontario (another Irish-Italian hybrid, we’re everywhere!) She’s SWPL. But nothing like me -socially liberal, leftist politics. But she’s an academic. Working on her PhD in philosophy.

        Maryk

        September 16, 2015 at EST pm

    • Italian Montrealites are in small numbers (thank god), comparing to the Toronto-Ontario area (Btw, I hate Toronto – there are too many East Asians and the NYC striving types). We do not need any hotheads and money grubbers, in this laid back city.

      There is a Little Italy in Montreal that has an Italian bookstore (titles imported from Italy). Now find me a bookshop in Mini Rome in NYC, because Guido or Proles are never bookworms.

      Overall, the people in the city are nice and accommodating, because Montreal has a large White demographic. Furthermore, because it’s a French speaking city and not the Anglo-Prole-Sphere, you generally don’t find the lowest order, pushy, aggressive Whites, that are prevalent in Meriprolestan, like rapacious city pigeons.

      JS

      September 17, 2015 at EST am

  3. Agree about Fiorina. A witch.

    Yakov

    September 16, 2015 at EST pm

    • Trust me, the media will say she won the debate, got revenge on Trump for the face comment etc etc.

      Rifleman

      September 16, 2015 at EST pm

  4. “8:59 Every candidate has to say how much they hate Planned Parenthood.”

    Kind of weird since Planned Parenthood does so much to limit the number of Democratic voters.

    Jokah Macpherson

    September 16, 2015 at EST pm

  5. Thanks to these comments, I don’t feel like I’m missing a thing not watching this nonsense. Debates are a stupid format.

    peterike

    September 16, 2015 at EST pm

  6. So I broke down and watched about two minutes. Some babble on taxes. Then Scott Walker said the stupidest thing a person could possibly say, and then I turned it off. Most of these guys I have a visceral revulsion towards. I really can’t stand to watch them. I don’t feel that way with Trump.

    peterike

    September 16, 2015 at EST pm

    • Most of these guys I have a visceral revulsion towards. I really can’t stand to watch them.

      Now image how liberals feel about them and about other Republicans.

      It’s not all about ideology. It’s visceral reactions to people.

      Rifleman

      September 16, 2015 at EST pm

  7. What on earth is going on with Kasich? He seems well spoken on reasonable but why is he twitching and making weird faces? It looks like he has some kind of disease.

    JoKnow

    September 16, 2015 at EST pm

  8. Fiorina earned the biggest applause of the night with that bit of Planned Parenthood theatrics. She also got some nice zingers in on Trump.

    The big narrative coming out of this debate will be how effective Carly Fiorina was at defanging and flustering Trump. Bet on it.

    Trump has absolutely nothing useful to say on policy. How will he deal with Russia/Syria/Iran? He’ll “get along” with world leaders. How will he fund his anti-immigration policy? He’ll “build a wall that works.” His responses were garbage.

    Christie, as usual, brings a very strong debate performance. His opening statement: “Take the cameras off of me, put them on the audience” was excellent. (Also put Fiorina in her place when she tried to interrupt him.)

    Rubio’s lame water joke went over like a lead balloon. Embarrassing.

    I’m astonished that Ben Carson was so successful in medicine. His sleepy manner of speech is distracting, and makes me wonder if he is abusing prescription pills.

    The clear winner of this debate is Carly Fiorina. (Then again, I thought Kasich handily won the first debate, and would see a big bump in his polling numbers, so I may not be so great at reading the tea leaves)

    martinslag

    September 16, 2015 at EST pm

    • Christie, as usual, brings a very strong debate performance. His opening statement: “Take the cameras off of me, put them on the audience” was excellent. (Also put Fiorina in her place when she tried to interrupt him.)

      Christie is more of a tough guy with women than is Trump.

      Christie is very good at being the NY/NJ guido/Irish loudmouth. Better than Trump in some ways especially toward women.

      I’ve seen it alot. Trump is very different in his aggression, more of a reaction to getting attacked.

      But this is entertainment, Christie is of no use as an executive on what matters, immigration most of all.

      Yes, Trump is very weak on policy on details etc. He’s Reagan like at least that way.

      A Trump presidency will rise or fall on the quality of people he picks to be in his cabinet and to run the details.

      Rifleman

      September 16, 2015 at EST pm

    • “Trump has absolutely nothing useful to say on policy. How will he deal with Russia/Syria/Iran? He’ll “get along” with world leaders.”

      It’s called negotiating. He’s very good at it. And the United States has, in reality, ZERO actual problems with Russia, Syria or Iran. Our “problems” with them stem entirely from neo-con meddling.

      “How will he fund his anti-immigration policy?”

      It would take about 0.005% of the current Federal budget to get it done.

      “He’ll ‘build a wall that works.’ His responses were garbage.”

      Much like the walls that work in Israel and elsewhere. Walls work. It’s pretty easy and straightforward.

      You can be as anti-Trump as you want, but you can’t expect the rest of us to put up with idiotic comments.

      “His (Christie’s) opening statement: ‘Take the cameras off of me, put them on the audience’ was excellent.”

      If by “excellent” you mean “pointless pandering.”

      peterike

      September 16, 2015 at EST pm

      • “You can be as anti-Trump as you want, but you can’t expect the rest of us to put up with idiotic comments.”

        I’m not anti-Trump. If I was a Republican, I would vote for him. Hell, I still might.

        But he is a lousy debater.

        “Much like the walls that work in Israel and elsewhere. Walls work. It’s pretty easy and straightforward.”

        How’d the Berlin Wall work out?

        Notably, the Israeli-West Bank Barrier (planned to be 400 miles long) has been under construction for 15 years (roughly the span of four U.S. presidential terms) and is still not completed. And Israelis are not exactly known for their engineering ineptitude.

        The U.S.-Mexico border, by contrast, is 2,000 miles long. So, charitably, we can expect to see completion of this theoretical wall in … what … 60 years? Cool.

        “If by ‘excellent’ you mean ‘pointless pandering.'”

        Pandering works. It’s easy and straightforward. Much like walls.

        martinslag

        September 16, 2015 at EST pm

      • “How’d the Berlin Wall work out?”

        As intended? The entirety of East Germany would’ve jumped into West Berlin w/out it…

        It’s falling had everything to do with the dissolution of the USSR and absolutely nothing to do with the wall’s level of effectiveness.

        anon

        September 17, 2015 at EST am

      • Trump was weak on policy. I expected him to change tactics this debate to keep’em guessing, and he did; he cooled the slapstick and insults and tried to be agreeable, but I expected he would bring some foreign policy zingers to the table to show gravitas for the talking heads. He didn’t do that.

        Trump can’t wait until he’s President to bone up on these issues or he’s never going to be President. He needs to bone up now and start demonstrating how much detail he knows about our various foreign policy issues.

        Mike Street Station

        September 17, 2015 at EST am

    • “Build a wall that works” is a very good policy idea.

      Perturabo

      September 17, 2015 at EST am

    • The Berlin wall significantly reduced migration from East Germany.
      “Before the Wall’s erection, 3.5 million East Germans circumvented Eastern Bloc emigration restrictions and defected from the GDR, many by crossing over the border from East Berlin into West Berlin; from which they could then travel to West Germany and other Western European countries.”
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Wall

      With the thoughts you'd be thinkin

      September 17, 2015 at EST am

  9. The number of debaters should be cut down to at most 7. Above all JEB along with his strategy of running as the Weird Bush needs to be thrown back to the minor leagues where he can stand next to Lindsay Graham.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    September 16, 2015 at EST pm

  10. Check out the poll on Drudge. Currently, 62% say Trump won. I don’t know how he did because I didn’t watch. But I don’t think it matters. The RNC establishment needs to pull their heads out and realize that nothing anyone does is going to matter. People are going with Trump no matter what. This a full on populist revolt.

    destructure

    September 16, 2015 at EST pm

    • I think it’s significant that Fiorina has a strong second place.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 16, 2015 at EST pm

      • Maybe. She’s very sharp in interviews and debates. So I’d expect her to get a bump. But I still can’t see her closing the gap with Trump. This is the churn that everyone’s been talking about. Only this time, the leader is way out in front and climbing with the remaining candidates who are churning.

        destructure

        September 16, 2015 at EST pm

      • But I still can’t see her closing the gap with Trump.

        She’s against the Wall and pro amnesty.

        She was a total failure at HP and tanked against Barbara Boxer.

        What does she have?????

        Rifleman

        September 16, 2015 at EST pm

      • Fiorina is so manufactured. Ever since the first debate the press has been nice to her because she is a woman and did not screw up her performance in the first debate. They think she can defang Trump because the average American white knight thinks debating a woman == misogyny. I only watched the first hour of the debate but she was getting lots of air time to go up against Trump. Can Fiorina express any emotions with a face that botoxed?

        NotWesley

        September 16, 2015 at EST pm

  11. Fiorina is a total failure, running HP into the ground. Picking her is a fool choice. She also looks like a bitchy italian woman with too much plastic surgery…like one of berlusconi’s discarded wives.

    Trump should take Carson as his vice president and slide easily to victory.

    jjbees

    September 16, 2015 at EST pm

  12. I thought that two hours were it and stopped watching, interesting that they went on for longer. A total waste of time. Never again. But I got to visit my mother. They are all actually pretty lousy. Poor country. I pity America.

    Yakov

    September 16, 2015 at EST pm

    • This country has a deeply dysfunctional political culture.

      Lloyd Llewellyn

      September 17, 2015 at EST am

  13. She also looks like a bitchy italian woman

    She’s not Italian, that’s her married name.

    For god-sake don’t give Lion a heart attack!

    Rifleman

    September 16, 2015 at EST pm

    • Imagine Lion having to choose between a Democrat and an IA woman from Staten Island as Republican nominee, say Susan Molinari? Actually, I spoke (or in this case, wrote) too soon. She’s pro-choice, and he’d at least be grateful for this.

      Maryk

      September 16, 2015 at EST pm

      • Susan Molinari is not going to be a nominee for anything. She was never a good politician, she only got elected because of her father who controlled the Staten Island Republican party (along with Olga Igneri who was a very nice woman but she was in the Molinari camp).

        http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/10/staten_islands_first_lady_of_t.html

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 17, 2015 at EST am

      • Lion, my post about Molinari wasn’t serious. I was just playing with you………so to speak!

        Maryk

        September 17, 2015 at EST am

      • “Susan Molinari is not going to be a nominee for anything. She was never a good politician, she only got elected because of her father who controlled the Staten Island Republican party…”

        Maybe, but someone thought she was a threat. She got a big TV offer during her term, so she resigned and went to TV, where she lasted for a few months. I think she got the TV offer because someone wanted to remove her from the board politically and it worked.

        Mike Street Station

        September 17, 2015 at EST am

      • I think she got the TV offer because someone thought she’d be good at it, but of course she wasn’t. She was not very smart, never had anything interesting to say, only was able to repeat Republican soundbites.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 17, 2015 at EST am

  14. HP was headed for failure before Fiorina stepped in and took the necessary steps to save it.

    I was with people who wanted to watch the debate, and so I did. Fiorina won in my opinion. Trump doesn’t impress me, although I support him. Cruz came off as too agressive on foreign affairs. Huckabee is the most polished speaker.

    CamelCaseRob

    September 16, 2015 at EST pm

    • No it wasn’t, they were very strong in enterprise computing, printing, and many other specialized divisions. Only their personal computing division was failing.

      Fiorina decided to gut their engineering. I assume since she didn’t understand the specialized industries HP was profitable in. She then decided to merge with Compaq in order to gain market share in the personal computing industry which was in the middle of shifting to low cost companies in Asia.

      She had no vision and failed to comprehend how the computing business was changing.

      Alex

      September 17, 2015 at EST am

    • Asus computers, now a personal computing powerhouse, was an HP controlled subcontractor.

      Better deal making from Fiorina, and Everything you see today from Asus would be generating profits for Hewlett Packard. They basically stole the whole personal computing business from HP and Fiorina by first taking control over every significant component of an HP computer while working within HP and then walking and keeping their personnel & Ip. (when Fiorina got the position, HP was #1 in computing market share).

      This is an IBM letting Bill Gates control DOS/Windows level fuckup.

      Lion is right. Carly is a huge fuckup that has failed upwards her whole life.

      Rotten

      September 17, 2015 at EST pm

      • Probably a case of favoring short-term results (look how much money we saved this quarter) and totally ignoring the long game. Typical behavior of sociopathic corporate management.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 17, 2015 at EST pm

  15. She’s very cold. No warmth coming from her whatsoever. Even ice veined Hillary comes off as warmer.

    Al

    September 17, 2015 at EST pm


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