Lion of the Blogosphere

An LA Times article

This was in the LA Times:

“We have a problem in this country. It’s called Muslims,” an unidentified man said to Trump at a town hall in Rochester, N.H., on Thursday night. “You know our current president is one. You know he’s not even an American.”

Trump appeared to nod. “We need this question,” he said, chuckling. “This is the first question.”

When the man went on to inquire about “training camps growing” and asked “When can we get rid of them?” Trump only addressed that part of the question, saying: “We’re going to be looking at a lot of different things.”

The president is Christian and speaks often about his faith. He occasionally attends and contributes to St. John’s Episcopal Church across from the White House. He was born in Hawaii. His mother was a U.S. citizen from Kansas and his father was Kenyan.

It’s total BS that Obama is a Christian. He’s just a lying politician pretending to be a Christian because he knows that voters would never elect a professed atheist. And he definitely has a soft spot for Islam, the religion of his youth. Saying that Obama is a Muslim is at least as close to the truth, if not closer, than saying Obama is a Christian.

As far as where Obama was born, I think there’s a very strong possibility that he was born in Washington state and not in Hawaii. (For example. )

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Wait, the birth certificate issue is coming back to me. There was a long-form birth certificate that shows Obama was born in a hospital in Hawaii and it was signed by a medical doctor and by “(Stanley) Ann Dunham Obama.” But it’s still mysterious that a few days later, Stanley was in Seattle attending classes, and the guy who was supposed to be her new husband was somewhere else.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

September 18, 2015 at 9:47 pm

Posted in Politics

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  1. Obama is atheist. Someone that smart and sociopathic doesn’t give a shit about religion.

    Lion of the Judah-sphere

    September 18, 2015 at 9:52 pm

    • I don’t think atheists tend to be very deep thinkers. But Obama doesn’t appear to be a deep thinker, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he were one.


      September 19, 2015 at 4:52 am

    • I wanna qualify this statement: Obama is not even the most sociopathic person Washington. I just don’t think he takes religion seriously.

      Lion of the Judah-sphere

      September 19, 2015 at 5:03 am

  2. Lion of the Judah-sphere says Obama is atheist – I would go with agnostic: atheists are too humble to remind one of Obama (agnostics often condescendingly think that there may be a God out there who agrees with them; atheists are not that proud). Anyway, when I read insightful posts like this by Lion I feel certain he is totally trying to troll the world with his far-to-the-left-of-reform-Jews support of abortion.

    howitzer daniel

    September 18, 2015 at 10:58 pm

    • This is the first time I’ve ever heard anyone posit atheists as more humble than agnostics. Goes completely contrary to my experience.

      Panther of the Blogocube

      September 19, 2015 at 1:22 am

    • Sure, Dawkins and PZ Myers and the gang aren’t proud.


      September 19, 2015 at 4:28 am

    • Atheists are too humble? I don’t consider New Atheists like Richard Dawkins humble at all (it doesn’t mean he’s not right about some things, though).

      Lion of the Judah-sphere

      September 19, 2015 at 4:59 am

  3. For Christ’s sake, his name is Barack Hussein Obama! Trump is America’s last chance.


    September 18, 2015 at 11:15 pm

    • Obama isn’t running in 2016.

      Viscount Douchenozzlé

      September 21, 2015 at 3:17 pm

  4. Yeah, I always thought he was –

    1 an atheist

    2 a political Christian

    3 muslim in family and sympathy but not a true muslim.

    I didn’t see Trump’s response but wasn’t he trying to be dismissive of the questioner? The guy might have been a plant or kook. You can’t treat these guys like they deserve a detailed response.

    It’s like reacting to one of Howard Stern’s wing nut phony phone callers.


    September 18, 2015 at 11:48 pm

    • He sort of genially ignored the question and moved on. Which I think was the best thing to do. You don’t want to insult a supporter, but neither do you want to comment on something if it’s going to make for a negative news story.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 18, 2015 at 11:54 pm

      • The same stunt was pulled on McCain. How JM handled it made him look like a chump IMO

        Mayor of Outter Space

        September 19, 2015 at 1:39 am

      • Genially ignoring a question is probably something Reagan would have done.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 19, 2015 at 8:00 am

      • Liberals are now unfavorably comparing Trump to McCain, because in 2008 McCain corrected the woman who said Obama was an Arab. Even though at the time liberals didn’t give McCain credit for that, instead smearing him by association and taking it as evidence of how hopelessly tainted by racism the Republican party is.


        September 19, 2015 at 10:37 am

      • Yeah how’d that work out for McCain. Thing is, none of us really know what anyone is, inside. So Trump would have had to go out on a speculation notion that Obama is really a Christian, implying that that’s good. That’s as far a leap as saying he’s Muslim.

        Mrs Stitch

        September 19, 2015 at 3:38 pm

    • Sympathizes with muslims yet enjoys droning them to kingdom come?


      September 19, 2015 at 2:30 am

      • I see zero conflict between those two things. Muslims kill muslims all the time. US presidents have bombed christian European cities in the past. etc, etc, etc.


        September 19, 2015 at 10:52 am

    • I think Rifleman nailed it. Personal conviction wise he’s probably an atheist and based on his upbringing, he does seem to sympathize with Islam. He can’t seem to reconcile the milder form of Islam he grew up in Indonesia with the strident version that’s bombing it’s way across the globe.

      But as far as being Christian, he’s about as Christian as he was anti-gay marriage.

      Mike Street Station

      September 19, 2015 at 3:13 pm

  5. The liberal MSM loves to push the idea that various liberal public figures are Christian, because they think it helps them weaken conservative Christians’ position.


    September 18, 2015 at 11:58 pm

  6. You’ll never convince me Obama is Christian… or heterosexual.


    September 19, 2015 at 12:31 am

    • He has a wife and two daughters, so that means he had sex with his wife.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 19, 2015 at 7:57 am

      • I agree, but FWIW McGreevey had two wives and two daughters.


        September 19, 2015 at 9:27 am

      • Malcolm X was a homosexual who got married and had 5 kids. Caitlin Jenner had 3 wives and 6 kids. Happens more than you realize. I’ve personally known several people of BOTH genders who did same. Their orientation didn’t change. They didn’t just wake up one morning and discover they were homos. They knew all along and deceived their spouse because they wanted children. Which is understandable. But still an evil thing to do to another person.


        September 19, 2015 at 10:15 am

      • How do you think they got it up, Destructure? And suppose your wife’s fat and ugly. Would you be evilly deceiving her if you nevertheless had sex with her (perhaps imagining her as a sexy little Japanese girl or as Raven from the X-Men) in order to have children?


        September 20, 2015 at 12:01 pm

      • Garr — Most of the ‘actors’ doing gay porn are heterosexual. So “getting it up” isn’t the issue. Your attempt to compare a homo deceiving a woman for marriage and a heterosexual man marrying a fat, ugly woman is absurd. In the latter case there was no fraud or deception. Why do you feel the need to make such ridiculous comparisons to defend something so clearly abhorrent? Do you have some kind of weird homo version of ‘white knight’ syndrome?


        September 21, 2015 at 10:23 am

      • I thought that getting married and having children was the Christian thing for gay men to do. As long as he’s a good husband and doesn’t cheat, why does it matter if he secretly gets a hard-on whenever he sees a buff gay guy? (Which is purely conjecture.)

        As much as I hate Obama’s politics, on a personal level he seems like a pretty good husband and father. A lot more so than other prominent politicians. Even more so than Reagan who was divorced and had bad relations with his kids. Or W Bush whose daughters ran wild. Or Bill Clinton who cheated over and over and over again. McCain who dumped his wife after she was injured in a car accident to marry a younger richer prettier woman.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 21, 2015 at 10:24 am

      • “I thought that getting married and having children was the Christian thing for gay men to do.”

        Maybe you should tell a Christian that then. I would never recommend a gay man marry a woman.

        “As long as he’s a good husband and doesn’t cheat, why does it matter if he secretly gets a hard-on whenever he sees a buff gay guy? (Which is purely conjecture.)”

        I don’t think it matters any more than a hetero inadvertently getting a hard on when he sees a hot babe. Not really the point. The point is the willful and deliberate deception of one’s spouse. Anyone who who gets married with the intention of having affairs and/or getting divorced once the kids are grown is evil. I’ve known several homos (male and female) who’ve done that.

        “As much as I hate Obama’s politics, on a personal level he seems like a pretty good husband and father. A lot more so than other prominent politicians”

        Appearances can be deceiving. The rest of your comment was beside the point. Whether or not others have behaved badly in no way justifies marital fraud.


        September 21, 2015 at 12:22 pm

      • Everything above my comment here is an excellent argument FOR gay marriage, and the incredible irony is that all of you are against it! The only way to prevent the existence of gays, assuming you don’t want them around, is to remove the stigma associated with being gay and not having children.

        Viscount Douchenozzlé

        September 21, 2015 at 3:20 pm

  7. Atheism should be a positive trait. What do you think Trump is? Being religious should disqualify you on account of stupidity.

    OT. I am fine with illegal immigration if the GOP is supposed to support white people. They will just coddle the wealthy and fuck the middle class like they have since Reagan. A middle class white person should vote Dem 100% of the time if they voting in their own interests. The racial shit is the last trick the GOP has and it’s getting pathetic.

    Dr. G

    September 19, 2015 at 2:51 am

    • Trump is one of those people who go to church on Christmas and Easter but who otherwise doesn’t pay attention much to religion. A lot of people fall into that category but they don’t call themselves atheists.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 19, 2015 at 8:02 am

    • Atheism is nihilism and that is a terrible trait in a president.


      September 19, 2015 at 8:51 am

      • Mind explaining why that’s “a terrible trait in a president?”


        September 19, 2015 at 10:51 am

      • ni·hil·ism

        the belief that life is meaningless


        September 19, 2015 at 2:48 pm

    • Being proudly and cavalierly atheist is what’s dumb. No divinity means nothingness. Those who think nothingness is fine should not have a say in what society should do. One should at the very least find the idea of nothingness upsetting.


      September 19, 2015 at 11:40 am

    • I really love how midwits like you think you’re so much smarter than the rubes who believe in God. Do you put a spaghetti strainer on your head too? Some of the smartest people you look up to believed in God. Thomas Jefferson, Sir Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein – they were all believers. Who do you have? Dick Dawkins the childrens’ book author whose wife draws pictures of Butterflies and assorted animals for? Yeah wow, childrens’ book author!
      Have you ever read On the Origin of the Species? I bet you haven’t. Its a supposedly scientific book that makes wild claims without ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL. There are some pictures of birds and animals that look somewhat similar, and then unfounded claims that because they look alike they must have some common ancestor. Yeah, wow, they look similar, that’s good enough for you huh? It then jumps to a conclusion that if these creatures have a common ancestor then maybe all life comes from a common ancestor. Gee, is that science? Why NO its not science at all.
      Science is supposed to have evidence and data to support any theory or hypothesis. You are supposed to have evidence and data BEFORE you form a hypothesis. I hear they’re still looking for the missing link, which means they have NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THIS AT ALL.
      I’m not surprised. Have you ever seen an animal have offspring that was different from it? I bet you haven’t. No one has ever seen it. Oh, sure their are hybrids like mules which you get from forced crossbreeding of horses and donkeys, but that’s not Evolution, that’s selective breeding. A caterpillar becomes a butterfly, but genetically its the same creature. Why do you have to have genetic changes to have man come from apes if butterflies come from caterpillars with zero genetic changes? How can a winged insect come from a multi-legged worm in less than 120 days, but it takes millions of years for apes to become human? Bullshit or not? I call Bullshit.

      Joshua Sinistar

      September 21, 2015 at 1:57 am

      • “I really love how midwits like you think you’re so much smarter than the rubes who believe in God.”

        Evidence shows that high IQ is correlated with atheism and negatively correlated with fundamentalist religious believe. You can see that in the GSS by looking at Wordsum scores.

        I don’t know of any non-religious who take your view of evolution. Evolution would only be of interest to eggheaded scientist types if it didn’t disprove the Book of Genesis.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 21, 2015 at 8:21 am

      • While I’m sure most people would like to flatter themselves that their beliefs, views and opinions are right because they’re smart, based on reason, etc I don’t think that’s necessarily true. Most people’s beliefs, views and opinions are based on emotion and psychology regardless of their religious opinions. Plenty of “smart” people believe ridiculous things and behave like idiots.


        September 21, 2015 at 2:08 pm

  8. Better question: does Trump believe in God or does he think he is God?

    Lion of the Judah-sphere

    September 19, 2015 at 5:02 am

    • I think first and foremost Trump is an opportunist. As long as he doesn’t do anything to seriously tank his reputation, he walks away with at least as much clout as he had before he started. Win/Win


      September 19, 2015 at 6:18 pm

  9. I don’t understand why anybody thinks Obama is a Muslim; he’s a man utterly without piety. He’s a secular humanist who claims to be Christian because it’s necessary to get elected.

    Nonetheless truth isn’t always politically savvy, and Trump’s best tack would probably be to say, “I’m sure Obama is a Christian. Nobody could spend years in a pew listening to Jeremiah Wright’s rantings unless it came out of total conviction in what he was saying. Do you know what Rev. Wright used to say?” And then maybe detail a couple of the choicest bits.

    Stay on offense and don’t discuss it in the terms the MSM wants you to, which is from a defensive crouch where you’re denying something or hemming and hawing.


    September 19, 2015 at 6:04 am

  10. I was watching the news today and the spin they put on the story was that Trump’s behaviour was so outrageous that even his own party was upset. I don’t think many people in the mainstream or left media really understand Trump’s relationship to the party. That said is it believable that he couldn’t hear the whole question ?
    I think Obama is probably an atheist, being outwardly Christian is still very important in both black and white America. The probability that Obama is secretly a Muslim is pretty much zero.


    September 19, 2015 at 7:41 am

    • I believe that Obama has a soft spot for Islam, while he dislikes Christianity and Judaism.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 19, 2015 at 8:07 am

      • Obama sympathizes with minorities, yes. No way he’s actually Muslim though.

        Lion of the Judah-sphere

        September 19, 2015 at 9:54 am

      • Agreed. Obama wants to fashion a new America composed of the oppressed, exploited and therefore saintly people of the Third World. Obama is OK with Catholics, as long as they speak Spanish and look Native American. (Irish need not apply.) But even better are Muslims from Africa and the Middle East.

        Mark Caplan

        September 19, 2015 at 10:07 am

      • A lot of Western liberals have a soft spot for Islam, but it’s because they have a soft spot for anything non-Western. Very few people have a deep and considered knowledge of Islam’s attributes, but because of its high profile it easily becomes a proxy battleground for purely Western tribal interests (what John Derbyshire calls the cold civil war between goodwhites and badwhites).


        September 19, 2015 at 11:17 am

      • That’s correct. Islamophobia is a prole feeling, which may not be necessarily true of Antisemitism. However to disagree, many liberals dislike East Asians and don’t care much for their part of world, but they’ll happily chow down on sushi and other weird gastronomy, as long it is marketed as SWPL friendly.


        September 19, 2015 at 12:50 pm

  11. All of the post-WW II presidents have claimed to be Christians. Of the bunch, I think only Carter, Bush II and maybe Bush I and Ford were sincere (that doesn’t mean that they were all good presidents – quite the contrary). Philanderers such as Kennedy and Clinton and lying SOB’s such as Nixon and Johnson clearly didn’t hold Christian values, and to the rest, Christianity was just pious window dressing.

    I agree with your observation that Obama has no true religious values but probably dislikes Christianity and admires Islam, at least to some extent. I also suspect that, down deep, he subscribes to the antisemitism so common among black intellectuals.

    Black Death

    September 19, 2015 at 3:42 pm

  12. Obama is a 1/2 Kenyan, 1/2 WASP guy who grew up in Hawaii. In his youth made a conscious decision to assimilate into the African-American community. He did this by moving Chicago and and joining a Black Protestant church. A fiery preacher rambling about racism probably made the church seem more authentic to Obama.

    Obama doesn’t care about religion beyond an identity politics level. I don’t think Trump, Fiorina, Bush or most of the GOP candidates care about religion that much either.


    September 20, 2015 at 12:02 am

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