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Todd Bartlem on Carly Fiorina. Is she a sociopath?

Daily Mail article says

Todd Bartlem, who went on to become Fiorina’s first husband, accuses her of creating a misleading mythology and ‘losing her humanity’ for a ‘pathological’ pursuit of power.

That is exactly the impression I had of her before I read that.

Todd also explains that the story of how she rose from secretary to CEO is total bull, that was just a part-time job she had between dropping out of law school and starting business school.

The article also explains that shortly after she joined AT&T after graduating from business school, she began having an affair with a senior AT&T executive who obviously helped to jump-start her career. Sleeping to the top.

‘She is pathologically narcissistic and all she cares about is her,’ he said. ‘Nothing holds together with her.

‘I got kind of suspicious of her towards the end of the marriage because she had no old friends. She had nobody that she knew in the past, and I thought, “God that’s kind of weird.”‘

Today Bartlem believes the reason lies in Carly’s ‘modus operandi’ of ‘dropping people’ as soon as they have fulfilled their useful purpose in her life. Certainly it’s what he believes happened to him.
‘I had no utility and that’s what the judgment was,’ he said. ‘If you aren’t useful to her, your time is over. She learned that in business school. I was heartbroken. It was brutal.’

Bartlem claims that when Carly walked out on him she did so without leaving so much as a forwarding address or phone number. A year after the divorce, he claims, she pulled up in the driveway of their former home and calmly said, ‘I will never see you again.’

Todd describes a sociopath, and it is believed that a disproportionate share of CEOs are sociopaths because sociopathy is very useful for getting ahead in corporate America.

Trump, who may be somewhat of a narcissist but who is not a sociopath (he didn’t need to be a sociopath to get ahead because he started out a winner on account of being born rich) would be a much better and safer leader for our country. I’d be a lot more afraid of Carly Fiorina’s finger being on the nuclear button.

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Todd is wrong about learning to be a sociopath in business school. I have an MBA from ASU, and it was just a bunch of academic classes, nothing very sinister at all.

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Best comment is from “Rifleman”:

Trump is in NO way a sociopath. He’s a modified narcissist who likes people and has a need for people to think well of him.

Sociopaths don’t care.

That’s why Trump some times lashes out, he acts like he’s being mugged and he fights back.

Trump seems like a well meaning guy who just can’t believe how bad things are and wonders why powerful people don’t give a damn or actually like the way things are going.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

September 18, 2015 at EST pm

Posted in Politics

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  1. You gotta be a sociopath to not care that open borders and off-shoring jobs hurts the American working and middle classes. Having a conscience could keep you from becoming a billionaire.

    Dave

    September 18, 2015 at EST pm

  2. Lion, while I’m not sure sociopath is technically accurate she is a ‘teacher’s pet’ type that makes my skin crawl and I first met in Hollywood business back in the day.

    While Fiorina gets a points for what people think is moxie, I note Trump is now bumped higher post-debate. I suspect he needs to reach at least 40% (and be reflected of course in delegates) to successfully beat off the GOP Establishment ganging up on him.http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/18/post-debate-poll-trump-increases-lead-fiorina-leaps-carson-drops/ He’s almost there.

    Rob

    September 18, 2015 at EST pm

    • We need to wait for a real unbiased poll, like the “SurveyMonkey” poll which came out shortly after the first debate.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 18, 2015 at EST pm

      • Lion–True, it has just ~500 people surveyed.

        Rob

        September 18, 2015 at EST pm

    • You are so right, Rob, about Carly being the “teacher’s pet” type…she worked as a temp salesperson at Macy’s Stanford way back in the early ’70s and was mocked by her co-workers for her over-the-top, gung ho antics (e.g., she would scoop up an entire rolling rack’s worth of dresses in her arms and stagger across the selling floor like some antic puppet, her scowling face bouncing back and forth like a bobble head doll). She made no effort to connect with her fellow workers, and performed her job with such frenzied, obsessive seriousness that it was scary. But I have to admit that those very same qualities probably stood her in good stead once she entered the business world.

      professor pat

      September 18, 2015 at EST pm

      • Wow, thanks. What a story.

        One sees this aura of teacher’s-pet all-business and only pleasing those one thinks could help, while ignoring the data you get from social connection and so making huge mistakes.

        You see these people get promoted and screw everything up (or outright loot the place). I’ve also seen smart businesspeople and managers immune to bootlicking cull them without mercy as a disaster waiting to happen.

        Rob

        September 18, 2015 at EST pm

  3. OK, nobody “needs” to be a sociopath. It’s not a function of family wealth. It’s a function of brain wiring.

    njguy73

    September 18, 2015 at EST pm

    • Trump didn’t need a sociopathic brain to become rich because he started out rich.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 18, 2015 at EST pm

      • So in other words we should give preferences to one with family money than who worked to the top?aans

        Wt

        September 18, 2015 at EST pm

      • Ironically, yes.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 18, 2015 at EST pm

      • Trump is in NO way a sociopath. He’s a modified narcissist who likes people and has a need for people to think well of him.

        Sociopaths don’t care.

        That’s why Trump some times lashes out, he acts like he’s being mugged and he fights back.

        Trump seems like a well meaning guy who just can’t believe how bad things are and wonders why powerful people don’t give a damn or actually like the way things are going.

        I think Jeb Bush is closer to a sociopath. That guy is bizarre.

        Rifleman

        September 18, 2015 at EST pm

      • Jeb Bush is also not a sociopath, he’s more of a beta male who became a governor because of his powerful family and he was born good-looking.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 18, 2015 at EST pm

      • Trump may only have needed the stock boom from Libertarian-style deregulation: This is making the rounds now… http://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-funds/ The idea is if he had put his inheritance in index funds, he would be as rich if not richer. Though then again, he’s not poorer.

        One could say this also about a lot of working people, lottery winners, etc. who get a windfall and instead of investing it blow it on some crazy business scheme they know little about (Open a Restaurant! Let’s put all our retirement savings in a Bed & Breakfast!) or $$$$$ toy then end up broke.

        Rob

        September 18, 2015 at EST pm

      • “Trump may only have needed the stock boom from Libertarian-style deregulation: This is making the rounds now… http://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-funds/ The idea is if he had put his inheritance in index funds, he would be as rich if not richer.”

        That is truly the oddest comparison I’ve ever heard applied to a businessperson. In fact, I’ve ONLY heard this argument, applied to Trump. Basically the argument is that unless you already know you can beat the market in index funds, you should never go into any kind of business. It’s really dumb.

        Mike Street Station

        September 19, 2015 at EST am

      • Rob,

        That is a poorly thought-out argument. This means that Trump should have divested from his real estate fortune in 1987 and then put money into an index fund. Well, the proper comparison should be the amount he inherited when he was first starting out.

        He did not start out in 1987.

        map

        September 19, 2015 at EST pm

    • Lion, I’m not implying that Trump is a sociopath. I don’t think he is. I’m just saying that even though being born rich make sociopathy less necessary, it doesn’t make sociopathy less likely.

      You might agree with Hans-Hermann Hoppe. He compared kings with presidents. Kings are born into power and might be good or might be bad. Presidents seek power and must necessarily be bad.

      https://www.lewrockwell.com/2004/11/hans-hermann-hoppe/how-the-worst-rise-to-the-top/

      njguy73

      September 18, 2015 at EST pm

  4. I’m much more worried about what she’d do to the nation’s finances for personal gain, as GWB/Cheney did, than anything else – that’s a much more likely scenario.

    Viscount Douchenozzlé

    September 18, 2015 at EST pm

  5. In other words, she’s the Republican mirror-image of Hillary Clinton, a career obsessed harridan doing whatever it takes to wield power.

    I worked at Lucent during the Carly years when she was in charge of the service provider business, and while I certainly never met her (I think I may have seen her speak once) I know quite well how Lucent was run, and essentially it might as well have been run as a Tony Soprano bust-out operation. The amount of revenue fraud was amazing. I won’t go into the practices (there’s a decent book called “Optical Illusions: Lucent and the Crash of Telecom” if you want to know more), but suffice to say it was approved from the top, and Lucent was at the forefront of closing up good, high paying American factory jobs and shipping them overseas as fast as they could. Same thing with programmers. All to make the almighty bottom line better so the stock would go up and the execs could roll in wealth.

    It was a really disgusting situation, and they laid waste to the greatest technology engine America has ever had, which was Bell Labs. It was criminal what went on there.

    So F Carly.

    Here is a fascinating photo essay of the now abandoned Holmdel, NJ, Bell Labs research facility. I was in there a few times when it was still inhabited, and it was extremely impressive. There was a wall filled with milestone inventions, Nobel prizes, all that kind of stuff. They invented the laser, cell phones, fiber optics, transistors… on and on it goes. This is why America was great for so many years, until greedy executives ruined everything.

    The building was saved and is now becoming basically an office building / mall / “new urban” space, but it will never again be what it once was.

    http://www.abandonedamerica.us/bell-labs

    peterike

    September 18, 2015 at EST pm

    • ‘Tony Soprano bust-out operation’–exactly.

      But they don’t help the bottom line, they just repeat the rhetoric. They’re inept bureaucratic managers screwing everybody–stockholders, workers, customers.

      Rob

      September 18, 2015 at EST pm

  6. I don’t actually know if being a sociopath is a good or bad thing in a president. All lot of your readers seem to look up to Putin, who is an obvious sociopath, and look up to other psychopath dictators, too. President Obama is clearly not a sociopath. He is too mushy and afraid of being unliked and politically incorrect. Our last sociopath president was probably Bill Clinton and he seemed pretty good.

    Morris

    September 18, 2015 at EST pm

  7. Sociopathy is very much needed to get ahead of Meriprolestan. There seems to be a double standard that women are the weaker sex and thus cannot be sociopathic. In our current culture, women are more sociopathic than men.

    JS

    September 18, 2015 at EST pm

  8. Today Bartlem believes the reason lies in Carly’s ‘modus operandi’ of ‘dropping people’ as soon as they have fulfilled their useful purpose in her life. Certainly it’s what he believes happened to him. ‘I had no utility and that’s what the judgment was,’ he said. ‘If you aren’t useful to her, your time is over.’

    Bartlem was a victim of Briffault’s Law.

    The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place. — Robert Briffault, The Mothers, Vol. I, p. 191

    destructure

    September 18, 2015 at EST pm

    • Should this be Carly’s theme song?

      destructure

      September 18, 2015 at EST pm

  9. What kind of man would badmouth his ex in front of the whole world? JS pay attention, a man and a gentlemen NEVER speaks evil of his ex. Fiorina is disqualified from being a president for having married this guy.

    What a despicable, low individual would tell the world that his ex had ‘slept her way to the top’?

    Lion, I’m surprised that you are posting this revolting stuff.

    Yakov

    September 18, 2015 at EST pm

    • If what Todd says is true, and I believe it is true and not just sour grapes, then he has a duty to warn the American public. Carly is no longer a private citizen, she’s running for president.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 18, 2015 at EST pm

    • LOL you seem like a white knight parody.

      Lion of the Judah-sphere

      September 18, 2015 at EST pm

      • I love ‘The White Company’ and Sir Nigel, so you are right. Also, my boxing couch taught us these values. It’s quite amazing, but he was actually teaching us that it’s our obligation to defend the weak. I think Putin would teach his students the same values, if he were a coach. Good people figure it out.

        Yakov

        September 20, 2015 at EST pm

    • God help me, but I agree with you. I also think she was stupid, to the point of disqualifying herself as potential POTUS, in not seeming to even consider him as a potential problem, but.

      He sounds like a whiny douchebag who thinks that nothing in the marriage failing was his fault. It’s always a red flag if someone (1) badmouths an ex, especially to the media and (2) can’t seem to see their own role in the break up.

      They probably deserved each other.

      Jesse

      September 19, 2015 at EST am

  10. A good example of Trump not being a sociopath, surprisingly, comes from his Rolling Stone feature in which a reporter embedded with him for a while. The reporter largely fell under Trump’s spell thanks to the Donald’s charm, but also because of Trump’s natural curiosity and empathy. An interesting exchange is when the two of them have a conversation about the rise of heroin use in New Hampshire because their conversation makes it sound like Trump really is interested the people suffering and that he wants to understand the situation.

    Aristippus

    September 18, 2015 at EST pm

  11. Steve Hsu had an interesting post about sociopaths in business a while ago.

    “Last week a startup CTO, who didn’t know my background, characterized all CEOs as “warm sociopaths” 🙂 He is at least partly right: many business and political leaders are good at reading other people’s thoughts and emotions, but lack genuine concern for their well being. On the other hand, many geeks are very bad at mind reading or emotional perception, yet adhere to a strict moral code.”

    http://infoproc.blogspot.co.nz/2011/06/on-empathy-psychopaths-sociopaths-and.html

    Julian

    September 18, 2015 at EST pm

  12. ***Bartlem claims that when Carly walked out on him she did so without leaving so much as a forwarding address or phone number. ***

    Am I the only one who read this and immediately thought of this classic breakup song? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UVNT4wvIGY

    Julian

    September 18, 2015 at EST pm

  13. You guys are so silly.

    Everyone in power (or in the race for power) is a sociopath. Didn’t you know that?

    Lion of the Judah-sphere

    September 18, 2015 at EST pm

    • Not necessarily. What about Dr. Ben Carson?

      SHANNON RUTLEDGE

      September 21, 2015 at EST pm

  14. I’m not bothered so much by what he said as by the fact that it would’ve been so easy to stop him. It’s Wendy Davis all over again. The NANOSECOND you consider running for public office, let alone take action to get the ball rolling, you gradually make nice with ex spouses/LTRs. And you do this before you take concrete action on things like fundraising so that it’s not obvious you’re doing it for the publicity.

    Whatever you think of Davis’s and Fiorina’s personalities, politics, ethics or records, the fact that they let their ex-husbands (!) become such liabilities (!!), not even seeming to consider it until they got shanked in the press (!!!) evinces a deep, pathological incompetence. The moment you need a good relationship, or for someone to at least refrain from targeting you, it’s far too late to start building said relationship. That alone says that Fiorina is too scary stupid to be trusted to be POTUS.

    Jesse

    September 19, 2015 at EST am

  15. It is very unsettling to learn of the untruths spoken by Fioŕino. When I sat thru the second debate, Fioŕino never seemed sincere, even when she stated the 2 things she would do “when she wasn’t elected.” After reading the info from her 1st husband, I will be more aware of the candidates and see what may be under their rocks!

    SHANNON RUTLEDGE

    September 21, 2015 at EST pm

  16. @GeneticPsycho (Tina)

    September 22, 2015 at EST am

  17. I’m shocked there hasn’t been more recognition by the media that CF is a stone cold sociopath. It is helpful to know something about this diagnosis, but you don’t need to be Sigmund Freud to come to this conclusion. The media is starting to hone in on her ability to fashion the truth (lie), to recreate history and explain away anything that doesn’t fit her version of reality, they just haven’t connected the dots. Her former husbands account is classic behavior. She will say or do anything to obtain her goals, and have no remorse what so ever about what the cost or damage is to others. They use people , without conscience. Mistakes can not be acknowledged by these individuals, they are simply blamed on others. She is smart, she is articulate, she is accomplished, she can be charming, and charismatic……this is exactly what sociopaths are know for. The tendency is to think of them as crazed loonies, not so. They are smart, ruthless and remorseless. Re watch any of her interviews and I gaurantee you, a rational mind would never vote for her for anything, let alone president.

    Ron

    September 28, 2015 at EST pm


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