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Who is the N.A.U. shooter?

Many hours ago, authorities released the name of Steven Jones, the freshman at NAU who shot some people after getting into a fight of some sort with them (thus not a case of beta-male rage: it was a shooting that occurred at a school, and not a school shooting).

Yet there is no picture of him? No FaceBook page?

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This is a Steven Jones who is a freshman at NAU, and he fits the stereotype of a school shooter, but since this is a shooting at a school and not a school shooting, this may be the wrong Steven Jones.

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Here’s a possible theory:

The shooter is one of those gun nuts who believes in always carrying a gun with him for the purpose of self defense. He also happens to be gay. Last night, he encounters some frat brothers who act like an asshole to him because he’s gay. Knowing that he’s packing heat, this gives him the courage to confront them and get into a fight with them. However, being outnumbered, it’s a fight he can’t handle, and afraid of being beaten up he pulls out the gun and starts shooting.

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This is Steven Jones’ Instagram account.

Also, the theory above may be wrong because the implication in the news is that there were other people with the shooter, so he wouldn’t have been a lone guy being picked on by frat bros.

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This is the FaceBook page of one of the shooting victims. I think my original theory was wrong.

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Daily Mail has more info.

Jones – a pledge for the Sigma Chi Fraternity – says that he retrieved his gun in self-defense after several people approached him and two friends.

Jones told campus police that he was punched in his face and then chased to his car, when he got his gun.

He claims he warned the brothers that he would shoot, and fired at two when they continued to approach him.

Probably the brothers of Delta Chi were harassing some pledges of what they thought was an inferior frat.

Unfortunately for Jones, the prosecutors aren’t going to buy into his self defense claim. Big mistake talking to the police as if they’d understand his story. Everything he said will be used against him in a court of law.

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Steven Jones was a home-schooled Christian.

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Shortly before the shooting, Jones was kicked out of a Delta Chi frat party. The reason for being kicked out of the party is not clear.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

October 9, 2015 at EST pm

Posted in Crime

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  1. Why are you making a discussion of this guy, when he doesn’t fit the profile of a beta rage killer, thus uninteresting for LoftB readers?

    JS

    October 9, 2015 at EST pm

  2. Where did you read that he’s gay?

    Lloyd Llewellyn

    October 9, 2015 at EST pm

    • I didn’t.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 9, 2015 at EST pm

    • I thought it was bogus until I looked at the Instagram.

      cluster of grapes

      October 9, 2015 at EST pm

    • The earrings look gay. And the overly well-coiffed hair looks gay. I’d guess he’s a gay that like guns. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

      E. Rekshun

      October 9, 2015 at EST pm

      • I don’t think he’s gay. ~2% of men are gay, more among college students his age, very slightly more among people exhibiting his level of vanity, less among gun nuts, and way less among people whose self image and sense of honor necessitates murdering people that are bullying him or who are in a rival frat or any of the other bullshit macho reasons this likely turns out to be. That all gets you nowhere near >50% likelihood.

        Lloyd Llewellyn

        October 9, 2015 at EST pm

  3. The photos of chicks hugging each other really contributed a lot to my understanding of the story.

    Tarl

    October 9, 2015 at EST pm

  4. So, you know, this is the kind of thing (stupid street fight ending in a shooting) that if the protagonists were black, it wouldn’t be news at all.

    Tarl

    October 9, 2015 at EST pm

  5. I don’t think he’s a donut puncher. Just a slightly dorky guy putting effort into his appearance trying to be one of the cool kids. When the frat boys realized he was really just a dork trying to pass they ganged up and mocked him. So he shot ’em. Now balance has been restored to the force.

    destructure

    October 9, 2015 at EST pm

  6. sounds to me like it was self defense?

    uatu

    October 9, 2015 at EST pm

    • Probably not lawful self-defense in the sense that he had an opportunity to safely retreat. But if I were on the jury, I’d acquit. There’s no doubt in my mind that the bodybuilding guido, Prato, created the situation, and is likely the guy who punched him Just look at the meanness in that face.

      byword

      October 9, 2015 at EST pm

  7. “Jones told campus police that he was punched in his face and then chased to his car, when he got his gun.
    He claims he warned the brothers that he would shoot, and fired at two when they continued to approach him.”

    “…Brough’s fraternity brothers Nicholas Prato, Kyle Zientek and Nicholas Piring were also injured, after reportedly tackling the gunman to the ground.”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3266228/Officials-1-dead-3-wounded-university-shooting-Ariz.html#ixzz3o723f34m

    If true, this is not a “school shooting”.
    This is a shooting at a school. Very different.
    A shooting by someone who was attacked by four (drunken?) frat boys.
    (I am presuming that there was alcohol involved here, since it involved a frat house and happened at 1am.)
    If the shooter was indeed physically attacked, he had every right to defend himself.
    If he ran to his car and retrieved a gun, but could have escaped, then he may still be in hot water,
    but if he couldn’t safely escape, he had every right to shoot the miscreants.
    Nothing wrong with carrying a gun for self defense.

    If this happened as reported, these frat bullies just learned an important life lesson.

    They didn’t call it the ‘Colt Peacemaker’ for nothing:
    “Be not afraid of any man;
    No matter what his size;
    When danger threatens, call on me—
    And I will equalize!”

    OT, what racket these TTT colleges are.
    NAU has a 90%+ acceptance rate and an average SAT composite of 1044.
    and SAT scores are apparently not even required.

    OTH, the Flagstaff is a beautiful area.

    I had a good friend who was head of materials science at a well known and very prestigious university.
    He made this observation:
    “Show me a dumb looking man and I’ll show you a dumb man.”
    Draw your own conclusions.

    Nedd Ludd

    October 9, 2015 at EST pm

    • Is the 1044 out of 2400?

      JerseyGuy

      October 10, 2015 at EST am

      • I believe it’s out of 1600.

        Nedd Ludd

        October 10, 2015 at EST pm

  8. Big mistake talking to the police as if they’d understand his story. Everything he said will be used against him in a court of law.

    Amazing this commotion would have been averted had Jones consulted you – for an excessive fee, of course – beforehand.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    October 9, 2015 at EST pm

  9. He looks part Asian in some photos. Another mixed race shooter?

    peterike

    October 9, 2015 at EST pm

    • Arizona is ~ 3% Asian and ~ 30% Hispanic. Those with Asiatic features, are more likely to inherit them from the Mestizo heritage.

      JS

      October 10, 2015 at EST am

      • That was my first thought too.

        Rosenmop

        October 13, 2015 at EST am

  10. This shooting also shows how no-gun policies on campuses actually could work. Plenty of people who might shoot someone when they’re drunk or in a fit of passion wouldn’t take a gun with them to school if it were forbidden. A campus wide ban on guns could prevent someone with middle class values from carrying a gun the same way stop-and-frisk stops someone with lower class values from carrying one.

    This also highlights the important fact that even if more gun ownership somehow could stop a mass shooting (‘school shooting’) mid massacre you’re doing it at the cost of many more would-be fistfights ending in shooting (‘shootings at school’).

    This shooting alone obviously proves neither of these things but it shows how they could be true.

    Lloyd Llewellyn

    October 9, 2015 at EST pm

    • The more common concealed carry becomes, the LESS common a “fistfight that ends in a shooting” becomes. An armed society is a polite society. If the frat boys thought he was armed, they would have been much less likely to start a fistfight with him.

      Tarl

      October 10, 2015 at EST am

      • That’s the exact opposite of reality.

        Lloyd Llewellyn

        October 10, 2015 at EST pm

      • Liberal reality, maybe. Which is the opposite of actual reality.

        Tarl

        October 11, 2015 at EST pm

      • I said would be fistfights become shootings. I agree with you that at some point fistfights that end in shootings will decrease because people will just go straight to shooting and skip the fistfight entirely.

        Lloyd Llewellyn

        October 14, 2015 at EST pm

  11. “He claims he warned the brothers that he would shoot, and fired at two when they continued to approach him.”

    ^This is what got him in trouble: the fact that he warned them is basically like telling prosecutors that he did not fear for his life. He should’ve just shot them without warning, and he’d be in less legal trouble because then the law would presume that his life was in danger.

    Bilbo Baggins

    October 10, 2015 at EST am

    • “This is what got him in trouble: the fact that he warned them is basically like telling prosecutors that he did not fear for his life.”

      I believe you are wrong about this and I don’t know that the shooter is actually in any “trouble”.
      Arizona does not require that citizens runaway from drunken bullies, or thugs.

      “If somebody is threatening you with imminent or deadly force, and you have the ability to retreat, you don’t have to,” Bloom said, defining the law. “You can stand your ground and defend yourself.”

      “Arizona’s law also states you can defend yourself with deadly force in any place you have the right to be as long as you are not breaking the law, Bloom said. ”

      Understanding Arizona’s “stand your ground” laws
      By Justin Schecker. CREATED Jul 24, 2013

      TUCSON (KGUN9-TV) – “Stand your ground” is a self-defense term that has made national headlines throughout and following the verdict in the George Zimmerman murder trial.

      Arizona is one of more than 20 states with a version of this self-defense law.

      “Arizona is a very self-defense friendly state,” Tucson criminal defense attorney Michael Bloom said. “No question about it.”

      Gov. Jan Brewer said she stands by Arizona’s law, but Sen. John McCain said it is something states should review.

      “If somebody is threatening you with imminent or deadly force, and you have the ability to retreat, you don’t have to,” Bloom said, defining the law. “You can stand your ground and defend yourself.”
      Lawmakers have expanded Arizonans right to self-defense in the last decade, but the idea of “stand your ground” dates back to when Arizona was still a territory in 1899, Bloom said.

      http://www.scrippsmedia.com/kgun9/news/good-morning-tucson/Understanding-Arizonas-stand-your-ground-laws-216756971.html

      States That Have Stand Your Ground Laws

      http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-law-basics/states-that-have-stand-your-ground-laws.html

      Nedd Ludd

      October 10, 2015 at EST pm

      • Nothing you stated contradicts what I said: if he had just shot them without warning, Arizona’s “stand your ground” statute would then protect him by shifting the burden of proof from the shooter to the threat he was shooting at. But the fact that he warned them will be used by the state’s attorney to convince the jury that he wasn’t in fear for his life, and thus, stand-your-ground would not apply. This is why warning shots in Florida result in a reckless endangerment charge: because if you’re shooting to warn, the law will assume your life was not in danger. If you shoot to kill, the opposite is true. It seems counterintuitive, but it makes sense when you think about it from a legal perspective.

        Florida, from my understanding, has now legalized warning shots. That sets a very dangerous precedent for self-defense laws because now, leftist prosecutors and judges will say in such cases “you could’ve warned them instead of killed them.”

        Bilbo Baggins

        October 11, 2015 at EST pm


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