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A city without police: Detroit

In the comments, some people claimed that the people would be better off without aggressive policing, or that aggressive policing violates the Constitution and we just need to accept the consequences.

Well there is one city without aggressive policing, that city is Detroit. Detroit has so few police they don’t even have enough to respond to 911 calls.

Per this recent article:

There are currently fewer officers patrolling the city than at any time since the 1920s. At one point, the Detroit police force was over 5,000. Today, the force is just 1,590 officers strong — and not all of those are on the street.

The city has lost nearly half its patrol officers since 2000 and ranks have shrunk by 37 percent in the past three years alone, according to the Detroit News. It’s so bad that precincts are reportedly left with only one squad car at times.

With only one squad car per precinct, I doubt they are using any manpower on aggressive policing like stop-and-frisk and traffic stops for burnt-out tail lights.

So is Detroit a better place to live because of its more laid-back policing?

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

October 25, 2015 at 11:09 am

Posted in Crime

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  1. With 1,590 police officers and a population of 690,000, Detroit has 230 officers per 100,000 citizens. The global median is 300 per 100,000, and a number of European countries and Canada have fewer than 230 per 100,000:

    Detroit isn’t a city without police. In general, there are probably too many police officers in America (373 per 100,000 citizens).


    October 25, 2015 at 11:46 am

    • Why are you comparing the US to Europe and Canada? The racial and age structures of the populations are very different. We have far more young black men and far more young hispanic men than Europe and Canada do. If you divide the number of police by the number of young non-whites I am pretty sure that Europe and Canada would have a far higher police presence than the US.


      October 25, 2015 at 3:51 pm

      • Europe has a large Muslim population which is very crime prone. . I guess it was too boring and mono cultural or something because Canada is now busy importing Somalis and other criminal-prone Muslims.

        The Native population in Canada (which is mostly in the west and the north) also has a high rate of criminality.


        October 25, 2015 at 9:39 pm

      • Canada is safer than any place in Meriprolestan. It’s a joke to compare Winnipeg or Saskatoon to any Mericapolis.


        October 26, 2015 at 10:50 am

      • Someone from this forum, made a good comment. Canadians generally have less hangups about their country, unlike south of its border with more income inequality and NAMs, which result in less crime.

        Canadian CEOs earn 50 times more than the common worker. In Meriprolestan, it’s 500 times! LOL…


        October 26, 2015 at 12:07 pm

      • * more crime


        October 26, 2015 at 12:09 pm

  2. I hate cops but they’re a necessary evil. Granted, there’s plenty of other stuff that’s wrong with Detroit also.


    October 25, 2015 at 12:17 pm

  3. Detroit, the poster child for the retreat of the state.


    October 25, 2015 at 12:32 pm

  4. According to the statistics in the article, Detroit has lost, between 1970 and 2015, 60% of its residents and and more or less the same percent of police—56%. Ratio of residents to police back then, 521 to 1; now, 448 to 1.

    Article goes on to assert that the city is broke, but then mentions that 480 new cops are likely to be hired, and quotes some representative of the police that he thinks they should earn more money.

    Not much evidence of a “crisis.”

    Jonathan Silber

    October 25, 2015 at 12:35 pm

  5. Aggressive policing is good for some types of people (generally lower class) and bad for other types of people (suburban white people). That’s the reality and that’s how it needs to be dealt with. We should probably have a formalized class system with separate education tracks, laws, and neighborhoods.


    October 25, 2015 at 12:50 pm

    • We did before the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It was called segregation. And it worked.


      October 25, 2015 at 4:49 pm

      • Separate countries are also a kind of segregation—of cultures and peoples, many of which are incompatible—and they work well enough.

        Jonathan Silber

        October 25, 2015 at 8:20 pm

    • Would never happen in cities with 40% Asian American population. Less Blacks/Hispanics more Asians (educated from india, china, Philippines) is needed.


      October 25, 2015 at 7:09 pm

  6. Detroit is a hell hole because it lost/kicked out its white population and is now overwhelmingly black.

    No one is saying that policing doesn’t matter. But what ultimately matters – more than policing, economics, urban planning, whatever you’re having – is demographics. You simply cannot have a city that is 80+% that is even remotely liveable.

    What the people objecting to heavy handed policing really mean is that they (we…) do not want to live in the kind of society that is needed to control colored people. Frankly, using Detroit is a strawman because we all know that policing or the lack thereof isn’t the real issue.


    October 25, 2015 at 1:16 pm

  7. Detroit had a police chief several years back who believed in aggressive policing. He got into trouble for this after several situations. The worst and most noted case in the local media was a police house raid where a little girl in the house was shot by mistake. They got rid of him and the next year there was a huge jump in murders. The media, being mostly liberal, will ignore or downplay crime increases when police are not aggressive enough but will focus a spotlight on cases of overly aggressive policing. They cover innocent people being shot by police but not the increased number of innocent people shot by thugs when the police pull back.


    October 25, 2015 at 4:18 pm

  8. I call the San Diego police non-emergency line about every other month, either for people sleeping in cars too close to my house, or for drunk-disorderly. Their response time is usually under 5 minutes. They tend to be clean cut and somewhat skinny white or fully assimilated hispanics (American first name, can’t speak spanish). I doubt they do much skull cracking like the NYPD and LAPD used to be famous for, they look middle class rather than beefy weight-lifting high-prole.

    When we have police shootings of unarmed misbehaving miscreants, it is a one-day story on the local news, and nobody cares much afterward.

    Our favorable demographics creates a virtuous cycle: more tax base to pay cops, an unofficial broken window policy because cops have less and less real crime, plenty of funding to police bad neighborhoods, gentrification of the those bad neighborhoods, more tax base to support the police. The gentrification also goes to make middle class areas upper class. Middle class beach and urban areas than used to be perfectly safe for families but a little too seedy for the rich have in many places now become very expensive.


    October 25, 2015 at 6:00 pm

  9. I do not think Darren Wilson (who shot Michael Brown) was a bad guy. I would rather have “racists” cops such as Darren Wilson keeping order, than citizens such as Theodore Wafer (who lived in Detroit or around it) keeping order.


    October 25, 2015 at 6:16 pm

    • Darrin Wilson did absolutely nothing wrong. He performed his duty as a police officer exactly as he was supposed to. A few more incidents like what happened in Ferguson and the police will essentially abandon heavily black areas. Then the murder rate there will soar.


      October 27, 2015 at 8:36 am

      • “Darrin Wilson did absolutely nothing wrong. He performed his duty as a police officer exactly as he was supposed to. A few more incidents like what happened in Ferguson and the police will essentially abandon heavily black areas. Then the murder rate there will soar.”


        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 27, 2015 at 9:02 am

  10. On a.per capita basis New York has about a third more police than Los Angeles, but the difference in crime rates isn’t much.



    October 25, 2015 at 7:43 pm

    • NYC has more miscreants and the NYPD has more NAM police officers, if that seems like a balancing act!


      October 26, 2015 at 12:31 pm

  11. There is a crisis in Detroit, but the linked article ignores it, as usual. In 1920, the population/police ratio was 1108. In 1950, 521; 1970, 380, 1990, 310, 2000, 303, 2015, 453. So the number of cops has indeed declined, but roughly in proportion to the population loss. Right now, there are more than twice as many police per capita as there were in 1920, and only about 19% fewer than there were in1970. The unspoken truth is the change in the demographic mix. According to census figures, the black population of Detroit was about 4% in 1920 and 83% in 2010. The average police salary in Detroit is about $46,000, compared to a national average of about $53,000. OTOH, Detroit has high unemployment and a scarcity of good jobs, so even dangerous work such as policing draws lots of applicants. The article describes 480 new officers, which are certainly needed, but makes no mention of where the money to pay them will originate. Detroit’s tax base has been hollowed out, and its tax rates are the highest in Michigan, which certainly doesn’t help job growth; neither does the corrupt, bloated city government (former mayor Kwame Kilpatrick is currently serving a long stretch). Don’t look to the state government – Republican governor Rick Snyder and the GOP-dominated legislature view Detroit with fear and loathing, reflecting the opinion of their conservative base, who would be delighted to see the whole place sink into Lake St. Clair.

    Black Death

    October 26, 2015 at 11:15 am

  12. O/T – but related to black crime: San Francisco’s dwindling black population —

    Civil-rights leaders here attribute the exodus not just to the high cost of living, but to policies that have favored independent retailers over chains, urban renewal that tore down the housing where many African Americans lived, redlining by banks and high crime concentrated in neighborhoods where blacks lived.

    It appears that small businesses and boutique shops are anti-black, where as chain stores provide a source of an employment for blacks like those on the gov’t dole. Small shops don’t employ blacks.

    Manhattan would see an overnight disappearance of blacks, if all the chain stores and government offices were closed, and that would include Trader Joe’s and Whole Foods in NYC, which now heavily employ black workers.


    October 26, 2015 at 12:21 pm

  13. there, an interesting article from The Atlantic, that singles out a correlation among house anaffordability and liberalism inclination. The more expensive housing is in a city related to that city income, the more the inhabitants tend to be liberal. That means that people who tend to have more wealth than income (heirs) tend to be democrats …. as you often writes.

    Bruno from Paris, France.

    October 31, 2015 at 2:29 pm

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