Lion of the Blogosphere

Debate live

9:04 Besides noticing that Maria Bartiromo looks a lot older and less cute than when I used to watch CNBC 15 years ago, the choice of moderators gives me hope that they will be more serious this time.

9:07 The first question is about a $15 minimum wage, and Trump says it shouldn’t be raise. Not sure if that’s the best answer. Trump sounds like less of an economic populist and more as a business-as-usual Republican.

Carson says that raising the minimum wage is bad for blacks because it prevents black teenagers from finding jobs. Carson then gives a speech about how he pulled himself up by how own bootstraps. It’s the best thing he ever said at a debate.

Rubio says that raising the minimum wage is a “disaster” because business will replace humans with machines. Then Rubio says we need more welders and less [sic] philosophers (talking about education).

Lion says they are all wrong. Raising the minimum wage will help the least capable Americans earn more money while having de minimis impact on employment (especially if we reduce immigration). Bernie Sanders is more correct on this issue than Republicans.

9:18 Cruz is talking, Bush hasn’t had a chance to say anything yet. The moderators must think that Bush is among the bottom tier of candidates, behind even John Kasich.

9:22 Carly is telling a story to make her sound more human and less like a sociopathic robot. But she does NOT answer the question about why there is more job growth under Democrats than under Republicans. And it’s such an easy question to answer too. Clinton took credit for the Reagan/Bush policies that caused the economic growth. That’s the answer if you’re a Republican.

9:26 After the first round of questioning, I must says that this is the most serious start to a Republican debate that we’ve seen. The moderators asked real policy questions and not gotcha questions.

9:30 Moderator asks Carson about recent controversy; I guess that ends the part about only asking policy questions. He answers the question quite well and attacks Hillary over Benghazi.

9:33 Trump gets an illegal immigration question, which means he gets to talk about his strongest position. Thank you Fox Business.

However, it’s really too bad that Trump doesn’t link illegal immigration to low wages. Instead, for him it’s just an issue about respecting America’s laws.

Kasich now has the floor and basically supports amnesty for illegals.

Trump comes back and says that Dwight Eisenhower deported one and a half million illegals.

9:37 Bush says it’s un-American to deport illegal immigrants. Bush says illegals should “earn legal status,” in other words amnesty.

Cruz “If Republicans join Democrats as the party of amnesty, we will lose.” Then he says that immigration is an economics issue. He says we would see different stories of illegal immigrants were lowering wages for news reporters.

Sorry Donald, but Cruz explained the illegal immigration issue a lot better than you.

9:45 Carly says that healthcare providers should be required to publish their prices. As much as I hate her, she said something I agree with that no one else has said.

On the other hand, she’s a moron if she thinks we can have a “three-page tax code.” Determining business income is a lot more difficult than three pages. Just the way it is. And we have to deal with sole proprietorships, partnerships, corporations, and LLCs. You can’t have a three-page tax code.

9:53 Carson says there should be no home mortgage interest deduction and no charity deduction in his Bible-based taxation system.

The problem with tax questions is that most voters are completely clueless about what the tax code is about. It’s about determining what’s income and what’s not income, which is a lot more complicated than it sounds, especially if you want to prevent cheating. It’s impossible to simplify it the way these moron politicians are saying.

10:38 While I was eating a snack, I heard Trump say that if Assad goes, the guy who replaces him might be worse. A wise statement.

I think these debates should only be an hour. Two hours is too long.

MARIA BARTIROMO IS RICH: She’s married to a son of Saul Steinberg whose net worth was half a billion dollars.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

November 10, 2015 at 9:04 pm

Posted in Politics

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  1. Trump’s only bit of economic populism is immigration, and he doesn’t even spin that too much in the direction of wages and working conditions but more from a generic cultural angle.

    All Republicans hate everyone except rich people Lion, expect nothing less from them!

    chairman

    November 10, 2015 at 9:08 pm

  2. Trump opposes raising the Lion’s minimum wage to $15. But at least you’ll get a hefty tax break out of the deal.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    November 10, 2015 at 9:12 pm

  3. Cruz’s talent is far and away beyond Rubio’s. Expect the Texan to settle into a solid third place; then moving into second as Carson’s supporters defect to Cruz.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    November 10, 2015 at 9:24 pm

    • Carson’s supporters are not going to defect.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 10, 2015 at 9:27 pm

      • “Carson’s supporters are not going to defect.”

        Eventually evangelicals always obey the establishment and fall in line. Carson’s supporters will end up supporting whoever Wall Street and the mainstream media say.

        behiker57w

        November 11, 2015 at 12:00 am

    • Carson’s supporters are not going to defect.

      To Christie.

      But – after they figure out Carson is running only to get a talkshow on Fox – why not Cruz?

      The Undiscovered Jew

      November 10, 2015 at 9:31 pm

  4. With every debate Rand Paul’s voice increasingly becomes indistinguishable from Charlie Brown’s teacher.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    November 10, 2015 at 9:32 pm

    • I listened to him carefully after reading your comment. And I think you’re right!

      Maryk

      November 10, 2015 at 11:09 pm

  5. “Cruz “If Republicans join Democrats as the party of amnesty, we will lose.” Then he says that immigration is an economics issue. He says we would see different stories of illegal immigrants were lowering wages for news reporters.”

    This is why I think that Cruz will be the replacement for Trump if Trump implodes. Huge what-if though.

    Sid

    November 10, 2015 at 9:52 pm

  6. “Besides noticing that Maria Bartiromo looks a lot older and less cute than when I used to watch CNBC 15 years ago,”

    Ha! This must be my lucky day. Lion is accusing an Italian-American woman of getting old and less attractive. And it isn’t me! I feel bad for Maria. But then at least she doesn’t read this blog……….(or does she? Heck, she doesn’t know what she’s missing. Question: how long would Maria have to be on this blog before JS would be calling her a prole and accusing her of practicing :guidette business commentary” or something like that?

    Maryk

    November 10, 2015 at 10:00 pm

    • Lion is right. She was tolerable 15 years ago on CNBC despite her awful, nasally low-class accent. Now she’s not as she’s older and still has that terrible, unprofessional sounding accent.

      Tom

      November 11, 2015 at 12:04 am

      • Really? I see nothing wrong with Maria’s speech. It’s not as if she sounds like Fran Drescher or Leah Remini. I[m sure it took Maria a lot of practice to get the “proletalian” element out of her speech (I probably couldn’t have done it myself.) I’m amazed she sounds as good as she does.

        Maryk

        November 11, 2015 at 10:47 pm

    • Once she moved to Fox, Maria had to blondify herself and it’s not her best look. And isn’t she exactly Lion’s age, if I’m not mistaken.

      Herb Dregs

      November 11, 2015 at 3:06 pm

    • The Money Honey wasn’t all that, even back then. Once FoxNews figured out the formula, she was passé.

      ScarletNumber

      November 11, 2015 at 8:15 pm

  7. Thanks for the coverage and commentary, Lion.

    Genserico

    November 10, 2015 at 10:36 pm

  8. An hour? I like that idea. Why not a bunch of 45 minute debates? Well, maybe a little longer than that as long as there are 7+ candidates.

    Greg Pandatshang

    November 10, 2015 at 10:47 pm

  9. Fuck John Kasich.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    November 10, 2015 at 10:57 pm

    • That debate was truly bizarre. How can you have an extended back and forth about banks going under and depositors losing their money without anyone once mentioning that all deposits under $100,000 are already insured through the FDIC?

      And why does every candidate (except Trump and Paul) need to compete for who will be the most eager to start WWIII with Russia? People the Evil Empire ended 25 years ago. Our interests are no longer diametrically opposed due to clashing political ideologies. If anything we should be thinking about allying with Russia for our mutual benefit and against Islamic jihadists.

      maj

      November 11, 2015 at 12:12 am

    • And why does every candidate (except Trump and Paul) need to compete for who will be the most eager to start WWIII with Russia?

      Trump, then, will find some other way to kill billions in WWIII.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      November 11, 2015 at 11:05 pm

  10. 10:38 While I was eating a snack, I heard Trump say that if Assad goes, the guy who replaces him might be worse. A wise statement.

    What kind of snack did you get? I’m curious about what kind of snacks the Lion enjoys.

    Tom

    November 11, 2015 at 12:05 am

    • I also want to know about the snack.

      martinslag

      November 11, 2015 at 1:22 am

      • Candidates debating about Lion’s snack:

        Carson: The only Lion I’m interested in is the one who lay down with the lamb…..

        Christie: Look I dealt with tons of Lions as Governor of New Jersey. I can be as tough as any Lion, regardless of what snack he eats. My record proves it.

        Cruz: Can we get back to the issues that are important? I really don’t think we’re going to hold a joint session of Congress to debate the issue of Lion snacks.

        Trump: People say I don’t like Lions, but that isn’t true. I played golf with a Lion in 1987. He gave me a stock tip. I made a million dollars in 3 hours. It was a slow day – what can I tell you?…,,The real question is: why are we losing so many of our Lions to China?

        Jindal: I’m not commenting about Lion since he referred to me as “a little brown bug.”

        Maryk

        November 11, 2015 at 8:36 am

      • Excellent, Maryk!

        CamelCaseRob

        November 11, 2015 at 10:48 am

      • “Excellent, Maryk!”

        Thanks, Rob/ No accusations of my having Asperger’s syndrome? LOL. You really ticked me off when you wrote that some months ago.

        Maryk

        November 11, 2015 at 4:38 pm

      • And you forgot this:

        Santorum: Lion thinks I’m an inept politician, because I graduated from a bottom tier law school.

        JS

        November 11, 2015 at 7:04 pm

      • In a post-debate interview, Trump mentioned again that he went to the Wharton School.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 11, 2015 at 7:15 pm

      • Lion — The media folks could have been reading your blog and my comment to say that the public has completely forgotten Mr. Nobody (aka Rick Santorum) as a candidate.

        My comment to MaryK, should be true. No one gives a hoot about Ricky and his poor law credentials. I’m sorry to say the little brown bug is more popular.

        JS

        November 13, 2015 at 11:33 am

  11. For the next debate, Lion posters living in the DC area should have a viewing party at a local bar.

    uatu

    November 11, 2015 at 2:22 am

  12. I too was a fan of the money honey, 15 years ago. Different times!

    RP

    November 11, 2015 at 6:00 am

  13. Very interesting link between low wages and immigration. One example could be a Japan, that has two minimum wages – for locals and for foreigners. Minimum wage for foreigners is higher. That in turn leads to low immigration (well, there are other legal restrictions too, plus societal disapproval of foreigners in general) that is limited mostly to highly skilled engineers, scientists and a like. Perhaps, in tune, raising minimum wage and stricter enforcement would lead to curbing immigration for one, fewer workers in low wage jobs could lead to further boost in automation. Then look at the US export, machinery is the number one. So, corollary would be that improvements and innovations in automation would boost that export, which in turn reduced trade imbalance. One could continue this chain further and further.

    Evgeniy Sharapov

    November 11, 2015 at 9:44 am

  14. “Trump comes back and says that Dwight Eisenhower deported one and a half million illegals.”

    This program was called operation wetback. The program was implemented under pressure from Mexico to stop the illegal migration of Mexicans into the US.

    Since the early parts of the 20th century, Mexicans had migrated to the US, some legally, more illegally, to work in US agriculture. During the 30s this was greatly reduced because of the depression, but after 1942 with the US entry to WW II, there was a labor shortage in US agriculture. Mexican immigrants met that demand. Between 1942-1964 there were various short term visa programs that allowed Mexicans to legally work in the US, but these programs were restricted and did not meet the demand. More than half of Mexicans working in US agriculture were illegal.

    Mexican farmers wanted to create large farms similar to US farms, but they faced a labor shortage. Some Mexican crops roted in the field because labor could not be found to harvest them. Farmers demanded that the Mexican government reduce the migration of farm labors to the US. Operation wetback was implemented at the request of the Mexican government. The intention was mostly to apprehend Mexicans crossing illegally and return them to Mexico. There was also an effort to apprehend illegals in Los Angles, San Fransisco and Chicago. There were more than 1 million apprehensions in the first year, but that rapidly declined.

    While the apprehensions declined, operation wetback did little to reduce the number of illegal Mexican farm labors in the US. They just got better at crossing the border without getting apprehended. The program was accused of abusing Mexicans and there were thousands of reports of Mexican labors who were in the US legally with short term visas being deported.

    The labors deported were generally turned over to Mexican government, who tried to relocate them, to areas where Mexican farms needed labors, often times involuntarily. Sometimes this worked, but sometimes the Mexicans ended up thousands of miles from their families with no money and no jobs.

    mikeca

    November 11, 2015 at 9:48 pm

  15. “Lion says they are all wrong. Raising the minimum wage will help the least capable Americans earn more money while having de minimis impact on employment (especially if we reduce immigration). Bernie Sanders is more correct on this issue than Republicans.”

    Lion, Here is a suggestion for a post:

    While you generally are a right wing conservative on issues of race and class such as the cause of racial differences, race and crime, etc, it seems that sometimes you take positions similar to the left such as:

    1. You are less aprehensive about long term Nam Welfare recipients than most conservatives, based on your support of basic income.

    2. Your strong support of the minimum wage, puts you on the side of the Nams who work at McDonald’s who are fighting for a higher wage.

    My suggestion for your post is: What does the left get right about society as in:

    1. On what issues are you more left wing rather than conservative?

    2. On what issues if any, would you sympathize with a NAM over Rush Limbaugh?

    3. Are there any specific instances in which you feel that NAM’s are correct in terms of viewing American society as racist or classist?

    Thanks

    Syncretic Morality

    November 12, 2015 at 3:47 pm

    • I used to be against the minimum wage because I used to be a libertarian and I believed the argument that any interference in free market reduces the amount of value created. But I realized I was wrong so I changed my position.

      This is not necessarily about helping NAMs. There are plenty of poor whites making crappy salaries too, and if a NAM is working for a higher minimum wage then we save money on welfare programs which benefits taxpayers of all races.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 12, 2015 at 5:35 pm


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