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Jews against immigration

The Jewish Community organisation (IKG) in Austria has called for a limit on the number of refugees entering the country, warning of the risk of growing anti-Semitism as many of the migrants are from Middle Eastern countries.

“The question is how many refugees can a country accept. We have reached the end of our capacities,” IKG president Oskar Deutsch told journalists in Vienna on Monday.

“Some of these so-called refugees will have grown up thinking anti-Semitism is normal,” he said. “It would be terrible if this were to happen in Austria.”

Austria has been a key country on the migrant trail and expects a record 95,000 applications for asylum this year and up to 130,000 in 2016, according to latest government figures.

Deutsch echoed comments made by the Central Council of Jews in Germany, which said it expected problems with integrating the mainly Muslim newcomers.

“Sooner or later we won’t have a choice but to set an upper limit,” the council’s president Josef Schuster told Die Welt daily.

“Many of the refugees are fleeing the terror of the Islamic State and want to live in peace and freedom, but at the same time they come from cultures where hatred of Jews and intolerance are an integral part.

http://www.thelocal.at/20151123/jewish-group-urges-limit-to-refugee-influx

Notice how Mr. Deutsch uses the term “so-called refugees,” thus doubting their status as legitimate refugees.

Hopefully, this puts to rest the assertion by anti-Semitic types that immigration is a secret plot by Jews to destroy the gentile whites. It’s gentile white leaders who are doing this, not the Jews.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

November 23, 2015 at 12:16 pm

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  1. Jews have always pushed for immigration… they’re only changing their minds now that the policy is starting to bite them in the ass.

    Tarl

    November 23, 2015 at 12:35 pm

    • You’re confusing some prominent liberals who happen to be Jewish (but remember that most most prominent liberals are gentile whites) with the average Jew on the street who doesn’t support that stuff.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 23, 2015 at 1:03 pm

      • I can’t wait until n/a shows up.

        JayMan

        November 23, 2015 at 1:10 pm

      • Jews ‘vote like Puerto Ricans.’ I thought everyone knows that most Jews vote for liberals? Yes that includes the average Jew on the street. Most Jews supported obama.

        Shawn

        November 23, 2015 at 1:31 pm

      • In the last NYC Mayoral election, a higher percentage of Jews voted for the Republican than did gentile whites.

        And you will see that more Jews will vote for Trump than any other Republican in recent memory, because they support his anti-immigration platform, but he doesn’t have an evangelical-Christian message which scares off Jews.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 23, 2015 at 2:18 pm

      • You’re confusing some prominent liberals who happen to be Jewish (but remember that most most prominent liberals are gentile whites)

        According to this analysis by blogger n/a,who JayMan mentioned, 56% of the most influential liberals in U.S. media have known Jewish ancestry, and the rest are a mix of white and non-white gentiles:

        http://racehist.blogspot.ca/2015/03/the-25-most-influential-liberals-in-us.html

        If you exclude partial Jews, the figure drops to 44%, but partial Jews are often counted as Jews for census purposes.

        Jews have higher IQs, especially higher verbal IQs, which is correlated with both influence and liberalism, so for that reason alone, you’d expect Jews to be dramatically over-represented among the liberal elite. Then you add the fact that they were historically a persecuted minority, and that also causes liberalism.

        the average Jew on the street who doesn’t support that stuff.

        The average gentile on the street doesn’t support that stuff either. The opinions of average people are largely irrelevant since they have very little power.

        pumpkinperson

        November 23, 2015 at 2:08 pm

      • This is ignoring the fact that Jews are also disproportionately represented among influential CONSERATIVES. Jews, because of high verbal IQ, are good writers, but they are writing from both liberal and conservative perspectives. Arthur Jensen and Richard Herrnstein (who co-wrote the Bell Curve) were both Jewish.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 23, 2015 at 2:22 pm

      • “Seventy percent of American Jews voted for Barack Obama.”

        Source: The New York Times, America’s Jewish Vote

        http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/13/opinion/americas-jewish-vote.html?_r=0

        Shawn

        November 23, 2015 at 2:27 pm

      • Trump will do much better, if Republican elites allow him to represent the party.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 23, 2015 at 2:46 pm

      • This is ignoring the fact that Jews are also disproportionately represented among influential CONSERATIVES. Jews, because of high verbal IQ, are good writers, but they are writing from both liberal and conservative perspectives. Arthur Jensen and Richard Herrnstein (who co-wrote the Bell Curve) were both Jewish.

        They are over-represented among neoconservatives. Paleoconservatives, not so much.

        But Jews have definitely made valuable contributions to HBD: Jensen, Herrnsetin, Michael Hart, Daniel Seligman, Stephen Pinker…the list goes on and on. But one thing that’s annoying about both Jewish and Indian HBDers is that they suddenly become very anti-HBD when negative genetic theories about Jews or Indians are proposed.

        pumpkinperson

        November 23, 2015 at 2:57 pm

      • In the last NYC Mayoral election, a higher percentage of Jews voted for the Republican than did gentile whites.

        And this proves Jews are not liberal, because a Republican who ran for mayor of NYC would neeeeeever be a liberal.

        Joe Lhota: “His maternal grandfather was of Italian descent and his maternal grandmother was Jewish. Lhota was raised Catholic, and self-identifies as a Christian, although he would be considered Jewish according to Jewish law.”

        So, does that explain the high Jewish vote, and not the alleged non-liberal trend among NY Jews?

        Lhota: “Lhota has defended his support for pro-choice and marriage equality as not only being in sync with New York City’s socially liberal outlook but consistent with Jeffersonian republicanism or democracy and its intellectual premise in classical liberalism.”

        Oh yeah he sounds like a far-right conservative all right.

        Tarl

        November 23, 2015 at 3:51 pm

      • “because a Republican who ran for mayor of NYC would neeeeeever be a liberal.”

        There’s a HUGE difference between De Blasio and Republican mayors of NYC.

        “Lhota has defended his support for pro-choice…”

        Republicans would have more Jewish supporters if they weren’t so blatantly pro-Christian, which is a religion that Jews have a historical reason for fearing. And Jews don’t like the idea of abortion becoming illegal, because without abortion nice Jewish girls could be forced to become low-class single moms on welfare.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 23, 2015 at 4:50 pm

      • When neoconservativism was a thing, the joke was that the prefix “neo-” meant “Jewish.”

        Anthony

        November 23, 2015 at 4:15 pm

      • But one thing that’s annoying about both Jewish and Indian HBDers is that they suddenly become very anti-HBD when negative genetic theories about Jews or Indians are proposed.

        What other person with a genetic theory about Jewish behavior (other than their high average IQ and some stuff about genetic diseases), or that Jews see a strategic advantage in promoting immigration is Kevin MacDonald?

        This is the same Kevin MacDonald who lies what about his sources.

        For example, on page 199 of the Culture of Critique, he refers to a 1983 interview with Michele Foucault in which Foucault supposedly suggests the Frankfurt School influenced him.

        The actual quote from Foucault shows the exact opoosite – he never knew the Frankfurt School existed until well after he’d developed “very similar” theories to them. This not only shows MacDonald is a liar (who presumably is also lying about Jewish immigration activism, and much of the rest of his work) as well as an idiot for quoting sources that refute his theories.

        But it also contradicts the entire thesis of his Chapter on the Frankfurt School. If Foucault (who was much better known in liberal circles than the Frankfurt School) created a French version of “the Frankfurt School” without knowing they existed, then the Frankfurt School’s theories can’t be serving a Jewish ethnic strategy, since Foucault was a gentile and came up with basically the same ideas.

        pg 199 of the Culture of Critique

        pg 199

        Reflecting the congruence between the Frankfurt School and contemporary
        postmodernism, the enormously influential postmodernist Michel Foucault
        stated, “If I had known about the Frankfurt School in time, I would have been
        saved a great deal of work. I would not have said a certain amount of nonsense
        and would not have taken so many false trails trying not to get lost, when the
        Frankfurt School had already cleared the way” (in Wiggershaus 1994, 4).
        Whereas the strategy of the Frankfurt School was to deconstruct universalist,
        scientific thinking by the use of “critical reason,” postmodernism has opted for
        complete relativism and the lack of objective standards of any kind in the
        interests of preventing any general theories of society or universally valid
        philosophical or moral systems (Norris 1993, 287ff). 145

        Contemporary postmodernism and multiculturalist ideology (see, e.g., Gless
        & Hermstein Smith 1992) have adopted several central pillars of the Frankfurt
        School: the fundamental priority of ethics and values in approaching education
        and the social sciences; empirical science as oppressive and an aspect of social
        domination; a rejection of the possibility of shared values or any sense of
        universalism or national culture (see also Jacoby’s [1995, 35] discussion of
        “post-colonial theory” — another intellectual descendant of the Frankfurt School);
        a “hermeneutics of suspicion” in which any attempt to construct such universals
        or a national culture is energetically resisted and “deconstructed” — essentially
        the same activity termed by Adorno “negative dialectics.” There is an implicit
        acceptance of a Balkanized model of society in which certain groups and their
        interests have a priori moral value and there is no possibility of developing a
        scientific, rational theory of any particular group, much less a theory of pan-
        human universals. Both the Frankfurt School and postmodernism implicitly
        accept a model in which there is competition among antagonistic groups and no
        rational way of reaching consensus, although there is also an implicit double
        standard in which cohesive groups formed by majorities are viewed as
        pathological and subject to radical criticism.

        http://stunlaw.blogspot.com/2013/07/foucault-and-frankfurt-school.html

        Now, the striking thing is that France knew absolutely nothing – or only vaguely, only very indirectly – about the current of Weberian thought. Critical Theory was hardly known in France and the Frankfurt School was practically unheard of. This, by the way, raises a minor historical problem which fascinates me and which I have not been able to resolve at all. It is common knowledge that many representatives of the Frankfurt School came to Paris in 1935, seeking refuge, and left very hastily, sickened presumably – some even said as much – but saddened anyhow not to have found more of an echo. Then came 1940, but they had already left for England and the U.S., where they were actually much better received. The understanding that might have been established between the Frankfurt School and French philosophical thought – by way of the history of science and therefore the question of the history of rationality – never occurred. And when I was a student, I can assure you that I never once heard the name ofthe Frankfurt School mentioned by any of my professors.

        FOUCAULT: Now, obviously, if I had been familiar with the Frankfurt School, if I had been aware of it at the time, I would not have said a number of stupid things that I did say and I would have avoided many of the detours which I made while trying to pursue my own humble path – when, meanwhile, avenues had been opened up by the Frankfurt School. It is a strange case of non-penetration between two very similar types of thinking which is explained, perhaps, by that very similarity. Nothing hides the fact of a problem in common better than two similar ways of approaching it.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 23, 2015 at 5:41 pm

      • According to this analysis by blogger n/a,who JayMan mentioned, 56% of the most influential liberals in U.S. media have known Jewish ancestry, and the rest are a mix of white and non-white gentiles:

        If you exclude partial Jews, the figure drops to 44%, but partial Jews are often counted as Jews for census purposes.

        First of all, the Census misses many part Jews. Jews are 2.8% of all white Americans, but according to the New York Times, 5% of all white Americans are at least a quarter Jewish.

        The ownership of newspapers is fairly gentile.

        The New York Times: Owned by the half-WASP Sulzberger, who was raised as an Episcopalian by his mother.

        The Washington Post: Owned by Bezos, a gentile, and before him Donald Graham, are gentiles.

        The Wall Street Journal: Owned by the gentile Dow family before Murdoch (gentile Anglo-Saxon) took it over.

        The Los Angeles Times and other Times Media Corporations: Owned by Sam Zell, who is Jewish.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 23, 2015 at 5:49 pm

      • Another example of MacDonald lying is when he points to a study showing Jews score high on authoritarianism but the real study shows Jews consistently scored among the least authoritarian of all groups (usually tied for least with Anglicans and Unitarians), no matter how the studies results were filtered.

        Given this why do so many people here want to accept MacDonald’s interpretation of Jewish immigration lobbying, when he has been demonstrated numerous times as being a pathological liar, as well as an idiot who thought he could use sources which damage his case as evidence for it.

        http://web.archive.org/web/20090411051702/http://www.people.hbs.edu/dlieberman/lieberman.jewsRaceEmpire.pdf

        Kevin MacDonald:

        Altemeyer (1988, 2) defines “right-wing authoritarianism” as involving three central attributes: submission to legitimate authority; aggression toward individuals that is sanctioned by the authorities; adherence to social conventions. Clearly, individuals high on these traits would be ideal members of cohesive human group evolutionary strategies. Indeed, such attributes would define the ideal Jew in traditional societies: submissive to the kehilla authorities, strongly adherent to within – group social conventions such as the observance of Jewish religious law, and characterized by negative attitudes toward gentile society and culture seen as manifestations of an outgroup. Consistent with this formulation, high scorers on the Right-Wing Authoritarianism Scale (RWA) tend to be highly religious; they tend to be the most orthodox members of their denomination; they believe in group cohesiveness, group loyalty, and identify strongly with ingroups

        (Altemeyer 1994, 134; 1996, 84). Without question, traditional Jewish society and contemporary Jewish

        Orthodox and fundamentalist groups are highly authoritarian by any measure. Indeed, Rubenstein (1996) found that Orthodox Jews were higher on RWA than “traditional Jews,” and both of these groups were higher than secular Jews.59

        The real study:

        [A]re “very accepting” subjects equally authoritarian in all religions? Or do different denominations (as argued earlier) produce different levels of authoritarianism even among the strongly committed? If we examine just those subjects who answered the (0-5) “still accept” question with either a “4” or a “5” (that is, they indicated they “nearly completely” or “completely” accepted the religious beliefs taught them in childhood), who do you think were the most authoritarian of all these “true believers”? Fundamentalists (185.1) and Mennonites (185.3) among the students, Mennonites (202.1) and Fundamentalists (208.5) among the parents. The (rarer) United Church members, Anglicans, and Jews who were just as accepting of their religions scored about 25 points lower. True-believing Catholics and Lutherans lay somewhere in between. ,61

        So not only are Jews among the least authoritarian of religious groups, according to Altemeyer highly religious Jews are among the least authoritarian of the highly religious .

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 23, 2015 at 5:55 pm

      • The New York Times: Owned by the half-WASP Sulzberger, who was raised as an Episcopalian by his mother.

        Sulzberger has substantial Jewish ancestry and the New York Times has many Jewish columnists. Even Jewish columnist Joel Stein believes Jews have ENORMOUS media power writing:

        Only 22% of Americans now believe “the movie and television industries are pretty much run by Jews,” down from nearly 50% in 1964. The Anti-Defamation League, which released the poll results last month, sees in these numbers a victory against stereotyping. Actually, it just shows how dumb America has gotten. Jews totally run Hollywood.

        How deeply Jewish is Hollywood? When the studio chiefs took out a full-page ad in the Los Angeles Times a few weeks ago to demand that the Screen Actors Guild settle its contract, the open letter was signed by: News Corp. President Peter Chernin (Jewish), Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Jewish), Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Robert Iger (Jewish), Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (surprise, Dutch Jew), Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer (Jewish), CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves (so Jewish his great uncle was the first prime minister of Israel), MGM Chairman Harry Sloan (Jewish) and NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker (mega-Jewish). If either of the Weinstein brothers had signed, this group would have not only the power to shut down all film production but to form a minyan with enough Fiji water on hand to fill a mikvah.

        http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/19/opinion/oe-stein19

        Steve Sailer also reports that 50% of the most influential pundits are Jewish:

        http://isteve.blogspot.ca/2009/09/demographics-of-top-50-pundits.html

        As the Lion has brilliantly pointed out, the media is far more powerful in the long-run than any politician because they influence how people think.

        pumpkinperson

        November 23, 2015 at 10:29 pm

      • The mass of non-elite Jews didn’t vote for those columnists to represent Jews. They only represent themselves.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 23, 2015 at 10:52 pm

      • Sulzberger has substantial Jewish ancestry and the New York Times has many Jewish columnists.

        Genetically Sulzberger is more gentile than Jewish (75-80% European depending on whether Jews are 55 or 60% European). But of course, it’s only the 20-25% of his ancestry that Pumpkin wants to blame. And this is rich being accused of liberalism by a Canadian:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Ochs_Sulzberger,_Jr.

        Sulzberger was born in Mount Kisco, New York, the son of Barbara Winslow (née Grant) and the previous Times publisher Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, grandson of Times publisher Arthur Hays Sulzberger, and the great-grandson of Times owner and publisher Adolph Ochs. His mother was of mostly English and Scottish origin[1] and his father was of Jewish origin (both Ashkenazi and Sephardic). His parents divorced when he was five. He was raised in his mother’s Episcopalian faith, but no longer observes the religion.[2] On May 24, 1975, he married artist and journalist Gail Gregg. The ceremony was performed by Rev. Katherine Belton, a Presbyterian assistant pastor, in the Greggs’ garden in Topeka, Kansas.[3] In May 2008, they announced plans to end their marriage.[4]

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 23, 2015 at 10:58 pm

      • The average Jewish person working in politics (not elected official, but staffers) does though. There are a lot more jewish staffers on Capitol Hill who work for the dems than on republican staffs.

        uatu

        November 24, 2015 at 12:41 am

      • Genetically Sulzberger is more gentile than Jewish (75-80% European depending on whether Jews are 55 or 60% European).

        It doesn’t work that way. Both the European and Middle Eastern ancestry of his father are Jewishbecause the Ashkenazi phenotype evolved via centuries of unique selection after the two parent populations merged, I would think.

        But of course, it’s only the 20-25% of his ancestry that Pumpkin wants to blame. And this is rich being accused of liberalism by a Canadian:

        I don’t necessarily think Jews tend to be liberal because they’re Jewish. It could be because of their IQs or education or geography etc. You would have to do a regression analysis with all those variables to see if Jewishness had an independent effect. And a lot of liberal causes are very noble in my opinion.

        pumpkinperson

        November 24, 2015 at 2:11 am

      • Sulzberger is Episcopalian, not Jewish.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 24, 2015 at 10:15 am

      • “In the last NYC Mayoral election, a higher percentage of Jews voted for the Republican than did gentile whites.”
        That’s interesting but means very little in an election where 24% of the electorate came out to vote.

        gothamette

        November 24, 2015 at 9:24 am

      • A landslide victory was predicted for De Blasio, people thought their vote was pointless. But I tell you, a lot of people are going to come out to vote AGAINST De Blasio next election.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 24, 2015 at 10:21 am

      • Sulzberger is Episcopalian, not Jewish.

        It depends how you define Jewish. He has a lot more Jewish ancestry than the vast majority of White Americans.

        pumpkinperson

        November 24, 2015 at 10:36 am

      • “He has a lot more Jewish ancestry than the vast majority of White Americans.”

        The same is true of Jesus and the Apostles.

        But since Jews are white, it doesn’t matter that someone’s great-grand father is Jewish any more than it matters if he’s Slavic or Italian.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 24, 2015 at 10:40 am

      • But since Jews are white, it doesn’t matter that someone’s great-grand father is Jewish any more than it matters if he’s Slavic or Italian.

        If you’re arguing over whether someone is Slavic or Italian, it matters whether his father was Slavic or Italian.

        pumpkinperson

        November 24, 2015 at 10:59 am

      • Both the European and Middle Eastern ancestry of his father are Jewishbecause the Ashkenazi phenotype evolved via centuries of unique selection after the two parent populations merged, I would think.

        European Jews stopped picking up external European DNA about 1500-1700 years ago, the sametime after the Roman Empire banned conversion to Judaism. 1500 years is long enough to be selected for specific traits like intelligence, but it isn’t long enough to turn the 55-60% of Jewish DNA which is European into a different ethnic group altogether.

        It’s scientifically accurate to say a half-Jew like Sulzberger is genetically 75-80% European.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 24, 2015 at 5:31 pm

      • It’s scientifically accurate to say a half-Jew like Sulzberger is genetically 75-80% European.

        Askenazi Jews by definition are 55-60% European. So saying a half-Ashkenazi Jewish is 75%-80% European is the same thing as saying he’s 50% Ashkenazi.

        pumpkinperson

        November 24, 2015 at 8:19 pm

      • Askenazi Jews by definition are 55-60% European. So saying a half-Ashkenazi Jewish is 75%-80% European is the same thing as saying he’s 50% Ashkenazi.

        I’m not sure what your point is or what you’re disagreeing about. Saying half-Jews are at least 75% European means exactly the same thing as saying they are half-Ashkenazi.

        Is your point that, since Jews have been reproductively isolated from gentile societies for over 1500 years, Ashkenazi European DNA is no longer European? If that is your point, then you are mistaken. 1500 years isn’t enough time for Jewish European ancestry to turn into a different ethnic group. Their European DNA is still European even if it dates to Greco-Roman times.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 25, 2015 at 4:38 pm

  2. Yes, some Jews are anti-immigration. About 20% of Jews even vote Republican.

    George

    November 23, 2015 at 1:19 pm

  3. Might there also be a generational divide? The older generation of Jews might have recollections of grandparents running away from Cossacks and arriving through the Ellis Island. Not knowing many Jews, I’m only guessing.

    WRB

    November 23, 2015 at 1:21 pm

    • A quarter of Jews under 25 are some variant of Orthodox.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      November 23, 2015 at 6:01 pm

      • Yeah, but not the ones we know or care about.

        Renault

        November 24, 2015 at 3:27 am

      • Yeah, but not the ones we know or care about.

        Again, that’s, true but we’re not arguing Jewish elites are good on immigration; we’re saying Jewish elites are essentially no different from gentile elites. How many elite gentiles that you care about are anti-immigration?

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 24, 2015 at 5:32 pm

  4. I think that Jews in America will become majority Republican over the course of the next twenty years. Even very left wing Jews in government and academia are starting to realize the monster that liberalism has created. There are three big threats developing here. Firstly, its only a matter of time before the DNC moves hard left as the progressive wing now controls the momentum. This means there will be greater demands for wealth redistribution to NAMS in coming years. Many high earning centrist Jews will start to feel the hit and get tired of it. Secondly, as the recent campus protests show there is increasing anti-white resentment among minorities who cannot face the fact that they really have no business in college or positions of leadership. As time goes by, Jews, and to an even greater extent intermarried Jews, will no longer be shielded by their ethniticy in the workplace. When its time to appear before the grievance committee they will be considered white just like any other whitey. Thirdly and most importantly, is that antisemitism is rising. And it is rising on the left moreso than the right. Leftist groups all over America and Europe are beginning to turn their back on Israel and the Islamic terror threat.

    All of this will amount to increased Jewish conservatism as Lion’s immigration example points out. I welcome Jews into the GOP. They will provide an influx of intelligence and monetary support that is sorely needed. Jews in England have been voting Tory for a long time. It’s time more of them start voting Republican in the USA.

    B.T.D.T.

    November 23, 2015 at 1:34 pm

    • People have been saying that since Reagan. Hasn’t happened. The only true engine in this is demographics. In two generations the Jewish population in the US will be majority Orthodox. They vote bank heavily so the Democrats may well buy them off. On the other hand their cultural conservatism might push them towards the Republicans. Time will tell.

      gothamette

      November 24, 2015 at 9:26 am

  5. I would needs stats on religion vs immigration preferences before concluding it’s mostly a gentile problem Around 70-80% of Jews in 2008 & 2012 voted for Obama, suggesting Jews in America tend to be liberal in general. Israel is the other way around, with the majority supporting Romney.

    grey elightenment

    November 23, 2015 at 1:39 pm

    • Polls show Jews want closed borders. That Jewish elites don’t want it closed just shows Jews are in the same boat as gentiles in terms of having an elite not working their best interests.

      http://cis.org/ReligionAndImmigrationPoll

      In contrast to many religious leaders, most members think immigration is too high.

      Jews: 50 percent said it is too high; 5 percent said is too low; 22 percent just right.

      http://www.jta.org/news/article/2010/10/12/2741253/poll-jewish-support-for-obama-falling

      The survey asked its Jewish respondents: “A new law in Arizona gives police the power to ask people they’ve stopped to verify their residency status. Supporters say this will help crack down on illegal immigration. Opponents say it could violate civil rights and lead to racial profiling. On balance, do you support or oppose this law?”

      The result was a slim majority in favor of the law: 52 percent to 46 percent.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      November 23, 2015 at 10:46 pm

  6. It’s the same in America. Almost all the Jews I know want to vote for Trump.

    Germany and Austria and France and Poland and even Hungary would be a lot better off today resisting replacement if it weren’t for unfortunate WN morons in the early 1940s.

    behiker57w

    November 23, 2015 at 1:42 pm

    • “Almost all the Jews i know want to vote for Trump”.

      All of the Jewish Neo-con big wigs like Kristol, Pearlman Krauthammer are very anti-Trump. They are all pulling for Rubio now since he is hawkish on foreign policy. Perhaps they are just out of step with the average Jewish voter.

      B.T.D.T.

      November 23, 2015 at 2:59 pm

      • He was talking about Jews he knows, not famous political columnists who happen to be Jewish. All of the mainstream media elite, whether Jewish or gentile, hate hate hate Trump. But regular Jews love him. My mother loves him. My uncle, traditionally a liberal Democrat, is posting pro-Trump content on FaceBook.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 23, 2015 at 3:00 pm

      • Lion – and all the Jewish people I know (that make between 75k-200k) in DC are very anti-trump. None are ‘famous’. Would you consider these people irregular jews?

        Are you willing to say if Trump is the nominee, that he’ll get over 40% of the jewish vote? That has never happened with the closest being Reagan in 1980.

        uatu

        November 24, 2015 at 12:50 am

      • Prole Jews love Trump, just as prole gentile whites love him.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 24, 2015 at 1:42 am

  7. OT, negro children in their natural habitat.

    rivelino

    November 23, 2015 at 3:07 pm

    • Now realy, kids are having a little fun.

      Yakov

      November 23, 2015 at 10:54 pm

  8. There is no “Jewish Conspiracy” but Jews are disproportionately represented in the media and in liberal activist groups. Most of these Jews are pro-immigration. Even the Republican Jews and billionaire donors are pro-Immigration.

    Furthermore Jewish writers constantly bring up the historic suffering of their people as a way to guilt gentiles into accepting more immigration. These Jews basically ague that being anti-immigration is to basically be against Jewish refugees in the 1930s or pro-NAZI!

    This Thanksgiving when a liberal Jewish uncle says that being against immigration is a slap in the face to bubbe who immigrated to Ellis Island, Jews Lion need to speak out and explain the anti-immigration position,

    Jimi

    November 23, 2015 at 3:49 pm

    • “Even the Republican Jews and billionaire donors are pro-Immigration.”

      Even Republican gentile whites and billionaire donors are pro-Immigration. Trump is the most anti-immigration Republican, and he’s more culturally Jewish than any other Republican running for the nomination.

      “Furthermore Jewish writers constantly bring up the historic suffering of their people as a way to guilt gentiles …”

      Actually, there’s a long tradition of Jews making a big deal about their suffering, going back to being slaves in Egypt, long before any Christians were ever paying attention to them. It’s not about guilting gentiles, it’s a character flaw in the religion.

      “This Thanksgiving when a liberal Jewish uncle says that being against immigration is a slap in the face to bubbe who immigrated to Ellis Island…”

      I can’t imagine anyone at the Thanksgiving dinner I will be attending saying such a thing.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 23, 2015 at 4:49 pm

      • I was listening to NPR when the topic was bringing up difficult topics (obv. from a liberal perspective) over dinner. How I hated the speakers. Usually the hosts at Thanksgiving are conservatives and grandparents. They should make the liberal young guests eat Thanksgiving dinner out of a dog dish in the backyard if they ruin Thanksgiving will their intellectual rot.

        Dan

        November 23, 2015 at 5:36 pm

  9. What seems to be going on here is a pretty sophisticated triangulation strategy. The Jewish Leftist leadership supports mass immigration of all kinds because they feel nationalism and ethnic homogeneity among whites is dangerous to them. The Gentile Leftist leadership supports Muslim immigration in a veiled attempt to poison-pill mass immigration by bringing in anti-semitic, third-world savages to supplement the ordinary third-world savages. This is designed to pose a direct threat to Jews, and, thus, a toppling of Jewish power.

    It should really be obvious by now that the Jews run the Democratic Party’s strategic vision and provide the financial control. Jews run and fund the Democrats. Any up-and-coming white gentile within this party is only going to get so far without kowtowing to the Jews’ agenda. This is eminently frustrating for a power-hungry individual and really can’t exist for the long run. Leftists do not have an evangelical impulse that deifies the Jews and Jews will not remain long exempt from the Revolution. With a sociopath’s lust for power and a keen eye for facile hypocrisy, the Gentiles within the Left will triangulate against the Jews and use Muslims as a first weapon against them.

    There is also a power struggle among Jews themselves. For example, who should be the leader of world Jewry, AIPAC or Likud? Netanyahu or Goerge Soros? These players are also triangulating against each other. Bibi would not mind more terrorism in Europe to force the Jews back to Israel. European Jews do not want to become refugees and rebuild from scratch everything they lost by moving.

    This is not going to end well.

    map

    November 23, 2015 at 4:43 pm

    • “The Jewish Leftist leadership supports mass immigration of all kinds because they feel nationalism and ethnic homogeneity among whites is dangerous to them.”

      Wrong, wrong, wrong. Leftists don’t care about ethnic identities, it goes against leftism. The Orthodox Jews, the Jews who are most heavily into being Jewish, they vote Republican.

      “It should really be obvious by now that the Jews run the Democratic Party’s strategic vision”

      Wrong wrong, it’s run by elite liberals, some of whom are Jewish by heritage, and it’s anti-Israel pro-Palestinian. Not what any real Jew who cares about his people would support.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 23, 2015 at 4:54 pm

      • I am not writing a rant against Jews.

        Keep in mind that I see this as a power struggle between difference groups. Each group is going to bring different weapons that will broadly categorize as anti-semitic, racist or sexist, anti-christian or Muslim, anri-gentile, anti-white, etc., etc.

        I am simply illustrating how the Jews are vulnerable.

        map

        November 23, 2015 at 5:43 pm

      • Wrong, wrong, wrong. Leftists don’t care about ethnic identities, it goes against leftism.

        They’re not as pure and principled as you make them out to be.

        Many Jews who are leftist on almost every issue, suddenly become conservative when it comes to Israel. Even a hero of mine, Bernie Sanders:

        I suspect a lot of liberal American Jews would vote conservative in Israel. Not all of course.

        The Orthodox Jews, the Jews who are most heavily into being Jewish, they vote Republican.

        Perhaps the Orthodox Jews, despite being more ethnocentric, are not as smart as the secular Jews, and don’t know which party serves their long-term ethnic interests and can be easily manipulated by Republicans.

        Wrong wrong, it’s run by elite liberals, some of whom are Jewish by heritage, and it’s anti-Israel pro-Palestinian. Not what any real Jew who cares about his people would support.

        Virtually every Democrat leader has been knee-jerk pro-Israel. Obama (who has a Muslim background) is the exception, but like the many thoughtful American Jews, Obama is strongly anti-Likud but both pro-Israel AND pro-Palestinian, and in Andrew Sullivan’s opinion, could have really helped Israel had they worked with him:

        pumpkinperson

        November 23, 2015 at 5:48 pm

      • “Even a hero of mine, Bernie Sanders”

        Bernie is disliked by the Democratic Party elite who want Hillary to win.

        “Perhaps the Orthodox Jews”

        Liberalism will destroy Israel and allow massive immigration of Jew-hating Muslims. Orthodox Jews just have common sense and care about other Jews. Liberal Jews care about the principles of liberalism and not about their fellow Jews.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 23, 2015 at 8:07 pm

      • I am not writing a rant against Jews.

        You’re blaming us for an immigration crisis that we didn’t cause because you deflect blame from gentile elites for freely choosing to screw their own people over.

        The only source antisemites have for Jews being the key supporters of open borders policy (as opposed to the reality which is Jews are doing the same thing as gentiles, for basically the same reasons) is MacDonald. If all you’ve got are his quack history and actions on the part of Jews that are identical to gentiles, we’re not going to accept any blame for immigration. If the antisemite case were that strong, they wouldn’t have to lie so often.

        I’d like to see an analysis of his use of Neuringer’s study on the history of Jewish immigration lobbying to see if MacDonald was also lying about his chapter on immigration.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_B._MacDonald

        The One People’s Project said MacDonald has promoted anti-Semitic propaganda under the guise of what he says is a legitimate and academic search for truth.[30] He has been accused of misrepresenting the sources he uses in that regard. Dr. Barry Mehler, an educator at Ferris State University, cited for example a quote from a 1969 dissertation by Sheldon Morris Neuringer[who?] titled American Jewry and United States immigration policy, 1881-1953 where MacDonald surmised that when Neuringer noted Jewish opposition in 1921 and 1924 to the anti-immigration legislation at the time was due more to it having the “taint of discrimination and anti-Semitism” as opposed to how it would limit Jewish immigration, MacDonald wrote, “…Jewish opposition to the 1921 and 1924 legislation was motivated less by a desire for higher levels of Jewish immigration than by opposition to the implicit theory that America should be dominated by individuals with northern and western European ancestry.” Mehler replied that “It seems to me Mr. MacDonald is misrepresenting Mr. Neuringer in this case and I posted my query hoping that a historian familiar with the literature might have a judgment on MacDonald’s use of the historical data.”[31]

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 23, 2015 at 6:00 pm

      • ‘Perhaps the Orthodox Jews, despite being more ethnocentric, are not as smart as the secular Jews, and don’t know which party serves their long-term ethnic interests and can be easily manipulated by Republicans.’

        Orthodox Jews are not easily manipulated by anyone. They identify with Republicans, but vote for the politicians that deliver the bacon, these are often Democrats.

        Yakov

        November 23, 2015 at 9:24 pm

      • Bernie is disliked by the Democratic Party elite who want Hillary to win.

        Jewish elites don’t want a Jewish president because it would draw attention to Jewish power, which they’re extremely sensitive about. Also, Bernie Sanders is too liberal on financial matters to appeal to a lot of rich Jews.

        Liberalism will destroy Israel and allow massive immigration of Jew-hating Muslims. Orthodox Jews just have common sense and care about other Jews. Liberal Jews care about the principles of liberalism and not about their fellow Jews.

        Then where are all the prominent Jewish American liberals condemning Israel for building settlements in the West Bank if they care more about liberal principles than Jews? Why isn’t Israel’s Jewish elite liberal, and willing to take in Syrian refugees? As Jewish Judge Judy likes to say “don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining.” 🙂

        pumpkinperson

        November 23, 2015 at 9:58 pm

      • “Bernie Sanders is too liberal on financial matters to appeal to a lot of rich Jews.”

        Wait, so rich Jews aren’t that liberal?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 23, 2015 at 10:51 pm

      • “Leftists don’t care about ethnic identities, it goes against leftism.” WRONG. Lefitsts *say* they don’t care. Meanwhile, leftists uniformly marry white so much so that liberal enclaves are whiter than a KKK neighborhood. (See TIM WISE)

        Ironically, it’s middle/working class whites (who are race-conscious and against immigration) are MUCH more likely to marry outside their race because they are actual decent and honest human beings who are able to love an individual of another race genuinely.

        fakeemai

        November 23, 2015 at 11:02 pm

      • Then where are all the prominent Jewish American liberals condemning Israel for building settlements in the West Bank if they care more about liberal principles than Jews?

        Gentile Canadian (and European) elites like Trudeau and Corbyn condemn Israel and want open borders. If Jews are responsible for immigration, why aren’t gentile liberals also following their lead on Zionism? 🙂

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 23, 2015 at 11:05 pm

      • Wait, so rich Jews aren’t that liberal?

        Liberal is relative and depends on this issue. Not many rich people are too the left of Bernie on tax policy.

        pumpkinperson

        November 24, 2015 at 12:07 am

    • The Jewish and Gentile leftist leadership is so intertwined and intermarried at this point I don’t see how there could be a schism. Their ongoing partnership is the foundation of today’s Ivy League, mass media and the DNC. Don’t think it could happen without upsetting the whole apple cart.

      B.T.D.T.

      November 23, 2015 at 6:43 pm

      • @pumpkinperson, most Palestinians want Israel not to exist. Hamas, which is part of the Palestinian official government unfortunately recognized by the Obama Administration, has as an affirmative goal the destruction of Israel.

        The old left was pro-Israel. The new left hates Israel. Israel desperately did not want the Iran deal but they lost badly with Democrats, which would not have happened in the past. Listen to the Bernie Sanders audience: F. Israel!! The old left was pro-free speech. The new left is not. You would be in big trouble for all the HBD stuff on you blog under a new left regime.

        Your party left you bro.

        Dan

        November 24, 2015 at 9:28 am

    • @map, Lion has a blind spot about subtle emotional issues. I think your case is very logical, especially: “The Gentile Leftist leadership supports Muslim immigration in a veiled attempt to poison-pill mass immigration by bringing in anti-semitic, third-world savages to supplement the ordinary third-world savages. This is designed to pose a direct threat to Jews, and, thus, a toppling of Jewish power.”

      @Lion: When you say “Leftists don’t care about ethnic identities” – you are so wrong, it’s hard to overstate how wrong you are. Jewish leftists really are in flight from their ethnic identity, true. But they adore blacks and their ethnic identity. Nothing matters more to a Jewish leftists than #blacklivesmatter. I’ve seen this in my own family. It’s pathological but go figure. Hard core white leftists are not so stupid – they are usually hard-eyed power broker types. I’ve worked with them. They hate Israel with a passion and to them, importing Muslims is most rational thing on earth. They are importing allies.

      In other words: to leftist Jews, leftism is the vehicle out of Jewishness. To leftist Christians, leftism is the vehicle towards an authentic expression of their identity, which they will be able to express once Jewish leftists are out of the picture. They don’t necessarily want to exterminate Jews. They want to neutralize them.

      Look at the Lutherans. They have become a far-left outfit, very anti-Israel. They do not hate being Christian at all. Don’t tell me that. But they would flood this country with Muslims from CA to MA if they could because they think they can make an anti-Jewish coalition with them.

      Your observation about the Democratic Party is a total joke. The big money Jews who fund the Democrats are hardly anti-Israel. Haim Saban? Harvey Weinstein? Gimme a break. Name one Democratic Party Jewish donor who has ever said a word criticizing Israel’s fundamental composition as an ethno-state. I can’t even remember one mildly critical statement, much less questioning Israel’s right to exist as an exclusive ethno-state.

      gothamette

      November 24, 2015 at 9:44 am

      • The Gentile leftists are almost as stupid as the Jewish leftists. Muslim immigrants may want government freebies, but their communities are otherwise very traditional. How conducive is sharia to the full leftist program? Do Christian leftist power brokers not realize that they will be barely tolerated dhimmis?

        nebbish

        November 24, 2015 at 1:51 pm

      • Nebbish,

        Everyone is counting on not losing control.

        map

        November 24, 2015 at 8:47 pm

  10. Lion,

    “Wrong, wrong, wrong. Leftists don’t care about ethnic identities, it goes against leftism.”

    Leftists are constantly talking about ethnic identity, especially in contrast to hated Whitey.

    “The Orthodox Jews, the Jews who are most heavily into being Jewish, they vote Republican.”

    That may be true, but the Orthodox Jews are not the only ones who identify themselves as Jewish. Jewish Democrats also heavily identify themselves as Jewish.

    “Wrong wrong, it’s run by elite liberals, some of whom are Jewish by heritage, and it’s anti-Israel pro-Palestinian. Not what any real Jew who cares about his people would support.”

    Sure, there is a power struggle going on and elements of the left will use Palestinians against Israel. But what has this really amounted to? Israel has not been threatened in the least by any of these pro-Palestinian criticisms. In fact, Leftism seems to have no effect on Israel at all. If they want Nigerians out, then Nigerians are removed. If they want a fence, then they get a fence. If they want to carry guns, then they carry guns. Americans have to struggle for guns and fences. Is Israel even saddled with Common Core? Does an Israeli Left even exist? I don’t know.

    I don;t doubt that there are lots of conservative jews. They are just not the ones in power.

    map

    November 23, 2015 at 5:38 pm

    • Obama hates Israel and Netanyahu. Netanyahu supported Romney for president.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 23, 2015 at 5:44 pm

      • Yes, Obama does hate Israel. That is the fractured and uneasy coalition that exists within the Democratic Party. But the Republicans are hardly representative of most of the interests of their constituency.

        map

        November 23, 2015 at 5:59 pm

    • I don;t doubt that there are lots of conservative jews. They are just not the ones in power.

      In countries that have much smaller percentages of Jewish elites, how are they doing better than America? French and British elites are usually 90% gentile, Sweden and other Nordic states or over 90% gentile.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      November 23, 2015 at 6:04 pm

      • It is not the number of elitists that matter. It is how and where they are distributed.

        The Bonner family, for example, owns the Swedish media. They are Jews.

        map

        November 23, 2015 at 8:46 pm

      • The Bonner family, for example, owns the Swedish media. They are Jews.

        This is Jonas Bonnier – an obvious ethnic Swede you liar:

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 23, 2015 at 11:06 pm

      • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnier_family

        The Bonnier family is a Swedish family of Jewish[not in citation given][citation needed] origin, who since the beginning of the 19th century has been active in the book industry and later also in the mass media industry. They own the media group Bonnier Group, which has 175 companies in 18 countries.[1][2][3]

        map

        November 24, 2015 at 2:07 am

      • With a mark that there’s no citation for it. You know that anyone, even anti-Semites, can become Wikipedia editors. And if there’s a great-great-great-grandfather who was Jewish, what does that have to do with anything? If you go back far enough, everyone is everything. Has any living Bonnier ever stepped into a Synagogue? Made Alyiah to Israel? Done anything Jewish?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 24, 2015 at 10:12 am

      • @ Lion –

        The Bonniers’ Jewish ancestry is real but increasingly distant. The patriarch of the Scandinavian branch of the family was Gerhard Bonnier (born Gutkind Hirschel), who died in 1862. Most of Gerhard Bonnier’s great-grandchildren were full Jews, although some were not via his son Albert’s second marriage to a non-Jewish Swede. Gerhard Bonnier’s great-grandchildren are the grandparents of the middle-aged Bonniers active today, most of whom are at least one fourth Jewish. Some might have more Jewish ancestry than that if subsequent generations married Jews or people of partial Jewish ancestry.

        nebbish

        November 24, 2015 at 2:34 pm

      • The Bonnier family is a Swedish family of Jewish[not in citation given][citation needed] origin, who since the beginning of the 19th century has been active in the book industry

        That was over 100 years ago. Since then, assuming they were ever Jewish, they’ve clearly intermarried completely into the Swedish population. If Jonas Bonnier has any Jewish ancestry, it’s one eighth or less.

        For you to claim Jonas Bonnier is working for Jewish interests is as ridiculous as saying David Cameron (an eighth German Jew) is working for Netanyahu’s genetic interests.

        Your wrong that the Bonnier’s are Jews, period.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 24, 2015 at 5:12 pm

      • Yakov

        November 24, 2015 at 8:06 pm

    • Sure, there is a power struggle going on and elements of the left

      Why would Europe need to use Muslim immigration to get rid of Jewish leftists when 90% of the EU’s elite is gentile, has been anti-Israel since the 1956 Suez Crisis, and doesn’t have many Jews left to harm anywayy because of the Holocaust?

      The Undiscovered Jew

      November 23, 2015 at 6:13 pm

      • Because the EU is controlled by the US State Department and the US government will veto any attempts to remove hostile elements from EU territory.

        See the bombing of Serbia.

        map

        November 23, 2015 at 8:48 pm

      • Because the EU is controlled by the US State Department and the US government will veto any attempts to remove hostile elements from EU territory.

        Then why is the EU anti-Israel???

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 23, 2015 at 10:50 pm

      • “Then why is the EU anti-Israel???”

        Because it is rhetoric that amounts to no substantive change in policy. It also creates the illusion that some great tragedy is going to befall Israel which rallies support.

        map

        November 24, 2015 at 12:26 am

      • Then why is the EU anti-Israel???

        They’re not anti-Israel. You’re just so used to the U.S. bending over backwards to please Israel that even legitimate criticism is considered hostile, They’ve been far tougher on Israel’s enemy Iran than they would ever dream of being on Israel, No one would dream of sanctioning Israel for making nuclear weapons, nor are they sanctioning Israel for building settlements considered illegal by international law.

        pumpkinperson

        November 24, 2015 at 12:43 am

      • God gave that land to the Jews. God’s law supersedes “international law.”

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 24, 2015 at 1:42 am

      • ‘ God’s law supersedes “international law.”.

        True. Also national interests supersede international law for normal nations. International law is used selectively mostly by anti-semites to bully Israel.

        Yakov

        November 24, 2015 at 2:11 pm

      • They’re not anti-Israel.

        Completely false. There are easily over 10 anti-Israel articles in every liberal Western European paper for every pro-Israel one. The anti-Israel cartoons by the UK Guardian’s Steve Bell would almost never be published in an American paper, and wouldn’t be out of place on Stormfront. Jeremy Corbyn apologizes for Hamas all the time, and other EU officials like Jean-Claude Junker have the same sympathies as he does, even if they phrase their pro-Palestinian sentiments diplomatically.

        You’re just so used to the U.S. bending over backwards to please Israel that even legitimate criticism is considered hostile,

        Again with the lies.

        The US has done nothing exceptional for Israel. We have never stationed troops there (except for training and advisement) and we spent the 1990s trying to give the Palestinians their own state. Before then, we were only involved with Israel to keep Soviet Russia from taking control of the Middle East’s oil. We’ve risked much more to defend Western Europe than we have ever done for Israel.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 24, 2015 at 5:08 pm

      • The US has done nothing exceptional for Israel.

        According to eminent scholars John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, The Iraq war was primarily for Israel. I don’t know if they’re right, but a few extremely talented and principled Jewish journalists such as Joe Klein and Carl Bernstein largely agreed with them

        we spent the 1990s trying to give the Palestinians their own state.

        The U.S. also spent the 1990s infuriating the Arab world by sanctioning Israel’s enemy Iraq. And the Palestinians never did get their own state, and the U.S.has vetoed actions against Israel in the United States, probably dozens of times since the 1970s.

        pumpkinperson

        November 24, 2015 at 8:08 pm

      • Bush went to war for his own reasons and not because he was controlled by Jews. Israel was only lukewarm to the idea. Israel wanted Obama to bomb Iran, but Obama refused.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 24, 2015 at 11:28 pm

      • “vetoed actions against Israel in the United States”

        Vetoed actions against Israel in the United Nations, is what I meant.

        pumpkinperson

        November 24, 2015 at 8:10 pm

      • Undiscovered Jew,

        “Completely false. There are easily over 10 anti-Israel articles in every liberal Western European paper for every pro-Israel one. The anti-Israel cartoons by the UK Guardian’s Steve Bell would almost never be published in an American paper, and wouldn’t be out of place on Stormfront. Jeremy Corbyn apologizes for Hamas all the time, and other EU officials like Jean-Claude Junker have the same sympathies as he does, even if they phrase their pro-Palestinian sentiments diplomatically.”

        Because none of these criticisms amount to any real changes in how Israel is treated. It is just hot air.

        map

        November 24, 2015 at 9:03 pm

      • Because none of these criticisms amount to any real changes in how Israel is treated. It is just hot air.

        Europe wouldn’t even be suggesting ineffective criticisms or sanctions against Israel if Jews were really calling the shots over there.

        The threats of economic sanctions are ineffective because the US usually vetoes them at international forums. But if the EU could weigh severe sanctions against Israel without worrying about a US veto, they would do so. That it doesn’t work doesn’t at all mean Jews control EU politics on foreign policy or immigration.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 27, 2015 at 2:12 pm

    • Yes, an Israeli Left exists. You can get a sense of it by reading the Haaretz news site. Its lunatic fringe is represented by people like Amira Hess, a Jewish Pro-Palestinian journalist.who works for Haaretz. Her leftist bona fides didn’t keep her from being kicked out of a conference hosted by Bir Zeit University in the Palestinian Territories because they didn’t want any Jews around. Incidentally, the other sponsor of the conference was the German Rosa Luxemburg Foundation.

      http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/birzeit-u-kicks-out-haaretz-left-winger-amira-hass-for-being-jewish/2014/09/28/

      nebbish

      November 23, 2015 at 7:15 pm

      • And what have they implemented inside Israel itself?

        map

        November 23, 2015 at 8:50 pm

      • And what have they implemented inside Israel itself?

        The African illegal immigrants already in Israel are still mostly there.

        And the fence wasn’t setup as a immigration barrier, but as a military and counterterror one. And it took decades of terrorism for Israel to build the thing from the 1990s to mid 2000s.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 23, 2015 at 11:02 pm

      • The African illegal immigrants already in Israel are still mostly there.

        Since 2009, the Israeli government has adopted harsh policies toward African refugees aimed at getting rid of them and buttressed by fear-mongering and misinformation…Unlike Europe, Israel found a solution to the problem of controlling unrestricted illegal immigration. The completion of a massive fence on the Sinai border Egypt in 2012 has been a huge success. In 2014, less than a hundred asylum seekers made it to Israel.

        http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Europe-and-Israels-refugee-crisis-404304

        pumpkinperson

        November 24, 2015 at 7:39 am

      • Good for them. Why would you expect the Israelis to act against their own interests?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 24, 2015 at 10:18 am

      • Good for them. Why would you expect the Israelis to act against their own interests?

        I’m showing that Jewish elites DO act in their ethnic interests in Israel, thus it’s reasonable to hypothesize that many (not all) Jewish elites in America are also acting partly in their perceived ethnic interests. One unproven theory is that conservatism serves their interests in Israel, while liberalism serves their interests in Europe and North America.

        pumpkinperson

        November 24, 2015 at 10:46 am

  11. Lion, powerful Jews have played a disproportionate role in the feminism and diversification of the West. Wouldn’t you say this a fair statement?

    fakeemail

    November 23, 2015 at 6:11 pm

    • Just as true as saying “powerful Jews played a disproportionate role in the Reagan revolution.” Jews are disproportionately involved in all high-IQ activities.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 23, 2015 at 8:10 pm

      • But there is far more feminism and diversification than there is Reaganism.

        map

        November 24, 2015 at 12:28 am

    • Wouldn’t you say this a fair statement?

      Disproportionate, again, is being deceptively used to mean 100%. The majority of liberals are and have been gentiles, which means all liberal movements have been gentile. You only can point to participation by Jews in everything you want to exclusively blame Jews for, not causation. If European liberals are antisemitic and pro-immigration, that’s final proof that the immigration crisis is gentile caused.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      November 23, 2015 at 10:49 pm

      • How do the Alawites, a tiny minority, rule Syria, which is majority Sunni?

        map

        November 24, 2015 at 12:50 am

    • @fakeemail, Yes, it’s like a sound wave returning to its owner, louder. Assimilated Jews with a dead Jewish identity picked up feminism, diversification, etc., from the host society, perfected these ideas, and handed them back in more deadly form. There is no feminism and liberalism in the Jewish religion. It is a hyper-conservative, patriarchal Middle Eastern religion.

      gothamette

      November 24, 2015 at 9:52 am

      • gothamette,

        “Yes, it’s like a sound wave returning to its owner, louder. Assimilated Jews with a dead Jewish identity picked up feminism, diversification, etc., from the host society, perfected these ideas, and handed them back in more deadly form.”

        Yes, and this is exactly what the nation does not need. The “perfection” of these ideas has an obvious agency, and we do not need such agents weaponizing doctrines and turning them against us.

        map

        November 24, 2015 at 9:07 pm

      • The “perfection” of these ideas has an obvious agency, and we do not need such agents weaponizing doctrines and turning them against us.

        Then maybe gentile liberals should stop “weaponizing” liberal ideologies they all created and refined…

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 27, 2015 at 2:27 pm

    • Assimilated Jews with a dead Jewish identity picked up feminism, diversification, etc., from the host society, perfected these ideas, and handed them back in more deadly form.

      I don’t even agree with this. Every idea Jews have advocated for has had an equivalent in gentile liberalism. Marxism is simply a combination of nineteenth century radical socialism with the historicism of Fauerbach and Hegel, French Revolutionary atheism (the word Communism is derived from the Communes of the French Revolution), and German socialists like Joseph Dietzgen, who developed dialectical materialism independently of Marx, and Engels.

      Michel Foucault says French liberals came up with basically the same ideas as the Frankfurt School (whose influence and fame has been blown far out of proportion to what it really was by antisemites) without the French knowing the latter existed:

      http://stunlaw.blogspot.com/2013/07/foucault-and-frankfurt-school.html

      Now, the striking thing is that France knew absolutely nothing – or only vaguely, only very indirectly – about the current of Weberian thought. Critical Theory was hardly known in France and the Frankfurt School was practically unheard of. This, by the way, raises a minor historical problem which fascinates me and which I have not been able to resolve at all. It is common knowledge that many representatives of the Frankfurt School came to Paris in 1935, seeking refuge, and left very hastily, sickened presumably – some even said as much – but saddened anyhow not to have found more of an echo. Then came 1940, but they had already left for England and the U.S., where they were actually much better received. The understanding that might have been established between the Frankfurt School and French philosophical thought – by way of the history of science and therefore the question of the history of rationality – never occurred. And when I was a student, I can assure you that I never once heard the name ofthe Frankfurt School mentioned by any of my professors.

      FOUCAULT: Now, obviously, if I had been familiar with the Frankfurt School, if I had been aware of it at the time, I would not have said a number of stupid things that I did say and I would have avoided many of the detours which I made while trying to pursue my own humble path – when, meanwhile, avenues had been opened up by the Frankfurt School. It is a strange case of non-penetration between two very similar types of thinking which is explained, perhaps, by that very similarity. Nothing hides the fact of a problem in common better than two similar ways of approaching it.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      November 24, 2015 at 5:45 pm

      • Undiscovered Jew,

        Gentile liberalism rejected those ideals. They had to be re-imported by hostile entities like Karl Marx and the Frankfurt School, using social and economic upheavals to spread. After all, who is the famous modern politician who said “Never let a crisis go to waste?”

        And what is this white-washing of history to introduce tertiary characters as somehow the progenitors of horrific political thought? Leibniz might have developed calculus independent of Newton, but history acknowledges that fact. But I’m supposed to believe some minor figure named Dietzen came up with Marxism independently of Karl Marx?

        This does not sound like a reach to you?

        map

        November 24, 2015 at 9:15 pm

      • Gentile liberalism rejected those ideals.

        Did you read Foucault’s quote? He said he came up similar theories to the Frankfurt School without knowing who they were until later in his Foucault’s career.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 25, 2015 at 4:34 pm

      • “Did you read Foucault’s quote? He said he came up similar theories to the Frankfurt School without knowing who they were until later in his Foucault’s career.”

        Foucault was born in 1926 and the Frankfurt School had to leave Germany in 1933. I fail to see what Foucault has to do with anything.

        map

        November 25, 2015 at 9:32 pm

      • Foucault was born in 1926 and the Frankfurt School had to leave Germany in 1933. I fail to see what Foucault has to do with anything.

        I don’t see what the Frankfurt School has to do with anything, if a gentile created the same theories as they did and if it had little influence in France. Especially compared to Foucault whose writings were more influential than the Frankfurt School ever was. Even Kevin MacDonald, when misrepresenting the interview with Foucault, admits Foucault’s influence.

        The facts, not hype, about the Frankfurt School could be summed up as follows:

        * The Frankfurt School was a moderately influential group associated with 60s student radicalism
        * The Frankfurt School was not essential to 60s radicalism, nor did their theories differ significantly from what every other leftist of the time was saying (Foucault, again, said he came up with very similar ideas without knowing they existed until years later).
        * The Frankfurt School did not take over universities, Western universities were already liberal and following leftist all sorts of leftist ideas that were not generated by the Frankfurt School

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 27, 2015 at 1:57 pm

  12. In addition to “Jews against immigration”, there is “Immigrants against Jews”:
    http://www.vosizneias.com/221655/2015/11/23/new-york-mayor-of-spring-valley-pledges-retaliation-against-jewish-developers-in-recorded-conversation/
    Isn’t diversity great?

    WRB

    November 23, 2015 at 6:15 pm

  13. So what’s your take on the ADL, Lion? They are pro immigration and multiculti for the US and the West in general but are very supportive of a Jewish ethnostate in Israel where you can be admitted without being Jewish by religion but by instead proving Jewishness by DNA, where it is illegal for a Jew to marry a Gentile, and where Africans and Arabs are encouraged to leave and in some cases forced to take contraceptive, and where zero, zilch, Syrian refugees have been allowed in. Basically groups like the ADL are all about what is “good for the Jews” or what is perceived to be good for the Jews. The ADL’s current leader recently published an article pushing Syrian immigration into the USA. I’m fine with Israel being an ethnostate but groups like the ADL and Adelson do more to foster anti-Antisemitism than a thousand anti-semites, in large part due to their inconsistency & in all honesty, those “antisemites have a bit of a point there.

    Shawn

    November 23, 2015 at 6:32 pm

    • Part of an elite liberal plot to trick regular Jews into being liberal by associating support for Israel with other liberal causes.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 23, 2015 at 8:13 pm

    • They are pro immigration and multiculti for the US and the West in general but are very supportive of a Jewish ethnostate

      Israel isn’t an ethnostate (Mizrahi are a different ethnicity from Ashkenazim).

      But leaving that aside, Europe’s elite is anti-Israel and pro-immigration.

      If Jews were responsible for Europe’s immigration crisis, then Europe’s foreign policy wouldn’t be anti-Israel (I’m not going to consider the possibility that Europe ia pro-Israel except to note that if you believe the EU is Zionist, you are proof that antisemitism is a mental disorder). Since Europe is anti-Israel and Arabist, Europe’s left is run by gentiles.

      Any attempt to blame Jews for immigration is a simple matter of antisemites lying to blame Jews for a problem caused by gentiles.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      November 23, 2015 at 10:45 pm

      • Undiscovered Jew,

        So that is your argument:

        Jews are in leadership positions in almost every prominent walk of life, but it is the people who are not in those leadership positions that are actually responsible when things go wrong.

        map

        November 24, 2015 at 9:19 pm

      • Jews don’t control anything. There has never been a Jewish president, for example.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 24, 2015 at 11:33 pm

      • A Presidency is pay-cut combined with a loss of power.

        map

        November 25, 2015 at 9:35 pm

  14. But one thing that’s annoying about both Jewish and Indian HBDers is that they suddenly become very anti-HBD when negative genetic theories about Jews or Indians are proposed

    YES! I’ve noticed that. I am a religious Jewish person myself who supports destroying the Dome of the Rock and replacing it with the 3rd Temple, who supports expelling the Palestinians from the Land of Israel, who refuses to donate to Steve Sailer exclusively because I dislike his Jew baiting and who hates Paleocons more than I hate liberals even though I agree with Paleo’s on non-Jew issues, and yet even I have been accused of anti-Jewish bias by hyper sensitive Jews online for daring to point out relatively innocuous facts.

    I’ve never noticed it with Indians though so I’m not really sure what you’re talking about.

    Otis the Sweaty

    November 23, 2015 at 6:40 pm

    • “…who refuses to donate to Steve Sailer exclusively because I dislike his Jew baiting and who hates Paleocons more than I hate liberals even though I agree with Paleo’s on non-Jew issues…”

      This entire comment thread is a big disappointment. Even though I generally agree with much of the alt right on many positions, the blatant anti semitism I find just crazy. It’s so absurd that Jews, as Jews, have some big goal to open the borders to get the goyim. Many Jews support open borders because they’re liberal, not because they’re Jews. It doesn’t even pass the logic test. Why would Jews want to fill up a country they live in with antisemtic middle easterners?

      Mike Street Station

      November 25, 2015 at 6:28 pm

      • “Why would Jews want to fill up a country they live in with antisemtic middle easterners?”

        Let’s see…why would Jews want to duplicate the Gaza Strip in Europe and America? Hmmm…maybe because they see the creation of a common threat with Israel as a way of securing Israel’s defense? Lot’s of Muslims in the West with the accompanying terrorism means America and Europe can be convinced to fight Israel’s enemies on behalf of Israel. Isn’t that what happened? Iraq is in shambles; Libya is a failed state; Syria is in a civil war. Whatever can’t be successfully killed or destabilized can be migrated to the West…you know, all of those fighting-age young men that are no longer Israel’s problem but are now certainly France’s, Germany’s and Sweden’s problem.

        A weak, deracinated middle east driven by war and migration outward will make it much easier for Israel to expand and accommodate all of the diaspora Jews who can activate their dual citizenship and leave.

        Perfectly reasonable, don’t you think?

        Now, I am not arguing that this is an actual plan or that Yakov, Lion and Undiscovered Jew are all a part of this, but…it certainly does have a lot of explanatory power.

        map

        November 25, 2015 at 9:53 pm

      • War-ridden Middle East doesn’t encourage any Jews to move there. Promoting the anti-Semitic conspiracy meme that Jews have a secret plot to control everything, this is the same crap promoted by the Tsars and Hitler.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 26, 2015 at 9:25 am

      • Sailer and Unz are despicable anti-semites. Here is a sample from one of their steady contributors.

        http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Slavery.htm

        Yakov

        November 25, 2015 at 11:02 pm

      • Many Jews support open borders because they’re liberal, not because they’re Jews. It doesn’t even pass the logic test. Why would Jews want to fill up a country they live in with antisemtic middle easterners?

        I agree that most liberal Jews are liberal because of high IQ and because a historically oppressed people are naturally more empathetic to underdogs. I have great respect for the majority of liberal Jews who are very noble smart people with big hearts.

        However if a tiny subset of liberal Jews are motivated by ethnic strategy (which would be completely understandable given the history of persecution Jews have faced), the logic of flooding Europe with Muslims would be:

        1) even though Muslims are currently more anti-semitic than Christians, Muslims tend to lack the IQ to be a serious long-term threat to Jews, while nationalist Christian countries could be. If Muslims harassed Jews in Europe, Jews could simply flee to Israel or the United States, and a Muslim-run Europe would be no match for those countries.

        2) The bad behavior of Muslims in the West creates more sympathy for Israel among white Gentiles., and pits Christianity and Islam (the two groups that have most threatened Jews) against one another.

        pumpkinperson

        November 26, 2015 at 8:36 am

      • Liberals honestly believe that showing good will to Muslims will magically make them peaceful and result in a peaceful two-state solution for Israel. It’s liberal crap, not a secret Jewish plot.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 26, 2015 at 9:28 am

      • “Let’s see…why would Jews want to duplicate the Gaza Strip in Europe and America? Hmmm…maybe because they see the creation of a common threat with Israel as a way of securing Israel’s defense? Lot’s of Muslims in the West with the accompanying terrorism means America and Europe can be convinced to fight Israel’s enemies on behalf of Israel. “

        I would say, if that was the master plan of the Jews, it’s pretty much backfired. So far, the creation of a “common threat” has resulted in a US invasion of the Middle East that was so unpopular that the backlash resulted in the installation of an anti Israel Democratic President, and has altered the perception of a small but growing view of Democrats that Israel is the real problem in the Middle East. So now this same anti Israel but philo-Persian President has negotiated a deal for the Iranians to get nuclear weapons in a few years.

        Great plan Jews.

        If Jews were creating master plans like this 2000 years ago, they would have become extinct when Rome torched Jerusalem (which, let me guess, was all part of their master plan?)

        Mike Street Station

        November 26, 2015 at 9:51 am

      • However if a tiny subset of liberal Jews are motivated by ethnic strategy (which would be completely understandable given the history of persecution Jews have faced), the logic of flooding Europe with Muslims would be:

        1) even though Muslims are currently more anti-semitic than Christians, Muslims tend to lack the IQ to be a serious long-term threat to Jews, while nationalist Christian countries could be. If Muslims harassed Jews in Europe, Jews could simply flee to Israel or the United States, and a Muslim-run Europe would be no match for those countries.

        So step one, if the real enemy is nationalist Christian countries in an era in which Christianity both as a religion and cultural social force is dying in the West, reinvigorate it by flooding the West with Muslims, who, if history is any guide, will act like Muslims, generating renewed support for right wing, Christian, and nationalist parties across Europe?

        Check.

        And then Jews from all over the West can flee for their lives to the Middle East, where they will be nice and safe?

        Maybe you are trying to describe such a long game that I can’t see the outcome thousands of years in the future where this might all pay off. In the meantime, everything that you and map has described as some sort of Jewish plot could per Occam’s razor, be far more easily part of the natural outgrowth of a progressive worldview. At least in the short run, it’s made being a Jew in the West more difficult and dangerous.

        Mike Street Station

        November 26, 2015 at 10:11 am

  15. What is the deal with George Soros’ Open Borders Foundation? He has been advocating for a multicultural Europe for years. He is responsible for a lot of the bullshit that his going on. Is this a sincere belief of his or his he looking for cheap labor/currency manipulation via EU machinations?

    B.T.D.T.

    November 23, 2015 at 6:40 pm

  16. Hopefully, this puts to rest the assertion by anti-Semitic types that immigration is a secret plot by Jews to destroy the gentile whites. It’s gentile white leaders who are doing this, not the Jews.

    It’s unfortunate that you included that at the end. It’s like throwing down the gauntlet and daring people to pick it up. Why would you do that? Listen, there are plenty of jews and gentiles who are anti-american and pro-immigration. But they’re mostly elitists who despise the working and even the middle class. Other than that, there’s not much point in arguing this because there are plenty of points to be made on both sides. It’s too complicated to complicated to simply point fingers at one or the other and say “They did it!” I will, however, say that George Soros is a son of a bitch. If you want to add the Kennedy’s to that list I won’t disagree.

    destructure

    November 23, 2015 at 6:56 pm

  17. Arthur Jensen has one Jewish grandparent.

    jef

    November 23, 2015 at 8:07 pm

  18. The fact that you’re citing this news of some Jews in one country to prove Jews don’t support immigration is proof that Jews almost uniformly do. It’s a man bites dog story.

    JohnBeck

    November 23, 2015 at 8:40 pm

  19. Lion,

    Your basically missing the point. You presented this particular organization as proof or at least evidence that there is no secret Jewish plot to use immigration to destroy white gentiles. You stated that the pronouncements of this group do the following:

    “Hopefully, this puts to rest the assertion by anti-Semitic types that immigration is a secret plot by Jews to destroy the gentile whites. It’s gentile white leaders who are doing this, not the Jews.”

    This is just a weakly constructed argument because if I present Jewish groups that actually support mass immigration into Europe then I simply negate your example. You and others are just trying to do too much with too little.

    For example, against this I present Barbra Lerner Spectre.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Lerner_Spectre

    A 2010 interview with Israeli IBA News has gained wide attention on the internet, especially in far right circles. The interview has been widely dispersed through YouTube and other social media, in which Spectre says:

    Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies that they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the center of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode, and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role, and without that transformation, Europe will not survive.
    — Barbara Lerner Spectre, IBA-News, 2010.[3]

    Read the rest of the Wikipedia entry. This is also for “Undiscovered Jew’s” benefit as well, since he believes that the Jews in Sweden could not have any real influence at all.

    map

    November 23, 2015 at 9:11 pm

    • There are some leftwing Jewish groups, but the MAJORITY of Jews favor less immigration.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 23, 2015 at 10:50 pm

      • The majority of Jews vote Democrat and Democrats support mass immigration. But then, so do Republicans.

        Saying the Jewish rank and file support less immigration is like saying the Gentile rank and file support less immigration. But then, Gentile elites are in line with Jewish elites on more immigration as well.

        map

        November 24, 2015 at 12:49 am

      • But then, Gentile elites are in line with Jewish elites on more immigration as well.

        The point we’re making is that Jewish elites are essentially no worse on immigration than Gentile elites, not that Jewish elites are good on immigration.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 24, 2015 at 5:24 pm

      • “The point we’re making is that Jewish elites are essentially no worse on immigration than Gentile elites, not that Jewish elites are good on immigration.”

        And my point is that the Jews represent a disproportionate percentage of this elite. And that they also have a disproportionate influence on what the elite thinks. The underlying thinking is not running in both directions.

        map

        November 24, 2015 at 9:34 pm

    • This is also for “Undiscovered Jew’s” benefit as well, since he believes that the Jews in Sweden could not have any real influence at all.

      Your using this one comment from Spectre to ignore the fact the EU is 90% gentile and anti-Israel and that gentiles have no influence.

      The EU is the fault of gentiles, there is no honest argument for making that Arabist, liberal, behemoth the result of Jews except that you don’t want to take any responsibility for an immgiration crisis that is your fault.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      November 23, 2015 at 10:54 pm

      • No, the one comment from Spectre counters the one comment from Lion’s source. That’s all.

        And why is it so difficult to accept that there are so many Jews simply behaving badly and that, in this world, people are going to hold their “jewishness” at least partly accountable for this.

        And Syria is 90% (or so) Sunni Muslim, yet who runs Syria?

        map

        November 24, 2015 at 2:04 am

      • “who runs Syria?”

        Is this a trick question? Is it the Islamic State? Iran? Putin? Al Qauda? Some Alawite dictator? All of the above?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 24, 2015 at 10:11 am

      • And Syria is 90% (or so) Sunni Muslim, yet who runs Syria?

        We can tell the Alawites are the ruling group because a member of their tribe rules the Syrian government, what’s left of it, with dictatorial power, and acts overtly in his coreligionists (and their allies) interests.

        Europe is not run by a single dictator belonging to one ethnic group. European liberalism’s power is distributed across multiple institutions and many heavily gentile politicians/bureaucrats. Most importantly, we see the EU constantly defending Palestinian interests and condemning Israel for defending itself.

        Since their Palestinian policy is clearly not run by Jews (not even by the weak tea Zionist standards of American Democrats) we should also conclude that Europe’s immigration policy is not run by Jews.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 24, 2015 at 5:20 pm

      • No, the one comment from Spectre counters the one comment from Lion’s source. That’s all.

        Spectre is just one activist. She couldn’t have had as much influence over, for example, Swedish policy as the very blonde and Scandinavian Jonas Bonnier:

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 24, 2015 at 5:55 pm

      • “Europe is not run by a single dictator belonging to one ethnic group. European liberalism’s power is distributed across multiple institutions and many heavily gentile politicians/bureaucrats. Most importantly, we see the EU constantly defending Palestinian interests and condemning Israel for defending itself.”

        And what is also distributed among those multiple institutions? Jewish leaders.

        “Most importantly, we see the EU constantly defending Palestinian interests and condemning Israel for defending itself.

        Since their Palestinian policy is clearly not run by Jews (not even by the weak tea Zionist standards of American Democrats) we should also conclude that Europe’s immigration policy is not run by Jews.”

        And yet, despite the much vaunted support of the powerful, gentile-controlled European countries have for Palestine, Palestinian interests never seem to be satisfied and Israel’s defenses never seem to fail.

        Now, I don’t care about Palestinians or their cause, but maybe, just maybe this “European anti-semitism/pro-palestinianism” is merely carefully crafted propaganda…something a Bonnier would engineer, maybe?

        map

        November 24, 2015 at 9:47 pm

      • “Spectre is just one activist. She couldn’t have had as much influence over, for example, Swedish policy as the very blonde and Scandinavian Jonas Bonnier:”

        And the IKG is just one organization. By Lions’s own standard of argument, I have refuted his position.

        But let’s get back to Spectre and Scandinavia for a moment.

        Spectre isn’t merely an activist. According to Wikipedia:

        “In 1999, she immigrated to Sweden and settled in Stockholm, joining her husband Philip, who was then serving as the Rabbi of the Stockholm Synagogue, and in 2000 she wrote the foundational paper to the Swedish government for the formation of Paideia, the European Institute for Jewish Studies, which she has continued to direct. In its 10 years of existence (2011) Paideia has educated over 200 persons from 35 countries for leadership positions in the renewal of Jewish culture in Europe.”

        She is not some mere activist. That’s quite a lot of influence for a woman who had lived in Sweden for all of a year before she gained the ear of a national government that, I assume, funded or promoted a Judeo-centric institute at public expense and then spread her sentiments to 200 other leaders.

        That is some influential Synagogue. Do the Bonnier’s attend? I can’t imagine a single Swedish Christian getting funds for a bake sale let alone a whole institute.

        map

        November 24, 2015 at 10:03 pm

      • That is some influential Synagogue. Do the Bonnier’s attend?

        The middle-aged Bonniers of the main branch of the family are almost all quarter Jews, and the younger generation are presumably have even more dilute ancestry. I’d be surprised if any attend synagogue, and one is even a Christian bishop.

        nebbish

        November 24, 2015 at 11:58 pm

      • That’s quite a lot of influence for a woman who had lived in Sweden for all of a year before she gained the ear of a national government that, I assume, funded or promoted a Judeo-centric institute at public expense and then spread her sentiments to 200 other leaders.

        Educating an average of 20 people a year in Jewish studies is minor league stuff.

        Meanwhile the quarter, eighth, and less, “Jews” from the Bonnier family would blend seamlessly into the cast of Vikings or play Norse gods in a Wagner opera and you still want to blame Jews for a Swedish immigration crisis that is the fault of ethnic Swedes.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 25, 2015 at 4:45 pm

  20. Jews with clues. Good. A few $ and some ammo on the way.

    Bored

    November 23, 2015 at 10:15 pm

  21. A disproportionate amount of the people who run America are Jewish. But that doesn’t work the other way around, the vast majority of American Jews are not part of the elite. The number of people who run America is really very small, less than 1% of the population. It can’t make up a big percentage of even a small minority like Jews. There are probably more Jewish homeless people than Jews in the elite.

    Ed

    November 23, 2015 at 11:20 pm

  22. This particular organization always pushed for open borders, demonized the slightest immigration skepticism and opposed any kind of restrictionist measure. They demanded a mosque building program just a few years ago. And they weren’t exactly secret or shy about their advocacy and nobody forced them to do this. The leadership is democratically elected.

    Their statement is in and of itself not that controversial anymore. It would have been three months or a year ago. But the establishment has sobered up from its “refugee welcome” intoxication.

    On the 21st of September, the very same Oskar Deutsch imparted us with the following schmaltzy wisdom:

    Almost every single Jew, who lives in Europe today, was a refugee himself. Jews have been on the run from injustice, oppression, persecution and murder since the destruction of the first temple of Jerusalem in the 6th century BC. So, on top of the biblical commandments to love your neighbour and to love foreigners, the protection of refugees is an essential part of jewishness.

    original:

    Fast jeder heute in Europa lebende Jude war Flüchtling. Seit der Zerstörung des Ersten Tempels in Jerusalem im 6. Jahrhundert vor Christus befanden sich Jüdinnen und Juden auf der Flucht vor Ungerechtigkeit und Unterdrückung, vor Verfolgung und Mord. Daher gibt es, auch über die biblischen Gebote der Nächsten- und Fremdenliebe hinaus, ein jüdisches Selbstverständnis, sich für den Schutz von Verfolgten einzusetzen.

    He then went on to say that our support for refugees must be “unconditional”, but we can’t accept antisemitism and antisemites. (contradictory of course)

    In recent years the Muslim organizations in Austria have become more assertive. Anti-semitic slogans appeared at their rallies and tensions between the IKG and the Muslim groups have built up.

    Austrian mass immigration policy was not orchestrated or engineered by any particular group. We are going with the flow with west european and globalist consensus. An immigration industry staffed by cat ladies and lawyers appeared to meet the demand. And they are the ones lobbying for more immigration of course.

    austrian

    November 23, 2015 at 11:50 pm

    • @Austrian, I’m a Jewish American and I can’t tell you how much I loathe and despise people like Oskar Deutsch. He should rot in hell. I’ve had it with people like him and I no longer care what I sound like. If he got killed in a terrorist attack I’d praise God. (Lion, if that sounds immoderate, so be it. I hope you approve my comment anyway.)

      gothamette

      November 24, 2015 at 9:15 am

      • @Austrian, Further to my statement, regardless of what a malevolent cretin Deutsch is, European societies (all of ’em) are responsible for their own goddamn survival. Objections from people like Deutsch are really very easily brushed aside. Look at the US, where taboos are being shattered daily by none other than Donald J. Trump. He just says what he says and he doesn’t give a shit. That’s the attitude that all of us will have to adopt. We have no choice. Our backs are against the wall. What are they (the immigration traitors) going to do to us? Not like us? Who cares?

        gothamette

        November 24, 2015 at 9:21 am

    • Please save your curses for other people. Oskar Deutsch was elected in 2012 and he is much more conciliatory and laid-back than his shrill predecessor. His secular opponent, the psychoanalyst Martin Engelbert, is also more mainstream. They are no longer pushing the envelope.

      The IKG has only marginal influence. The Social Democrats pretty much dropped them in favor of Muslims. Austrian Jews are highly assimilated anyway. I suspect that the IKG and the other jewish institutions would quickly collapse without government subsidies. A lot of the professional Jews appear to go through the motions in order to hold down a job.

      I am much more concerned with the Catholic Church and its charity organizations. They have the organizational muscle to settle refugees and do appeal to residual christian sentiments. They are genuine do-gooders and pathological altruists.

      Jörg Haider shattered taboos like Trump. In power, the Freedom Party did essentially nothing noteworthy. Partially because of international pressure. But mostly because Haider and his minions were unideological populists who were in it for the thrill and to line their pockets. The new guy, HC Strache, promises to be the real deal. Who knows.

      At this stage I favor a reunification with Hungary under hungarian leadership. 😉

      austrian

      November 24, 2015 at 2:05 pm

    • the protection of refugees is an essential part of jewishness.

      Even if we accept that… why is bringing the refugees to Austria an essential part of Jewishness? Why doesn’t “Jewishness” require, say, helping the refugees resettle in another Muslim country?

      Tarl

      November 25, 2015 at 9:43 am

  23. I was with you lion, unlil that last sentence.

    In America the Jewish leaders are overwhelmingly pro unlimited immigration. Just look at the names of donors of Zuckerberg’s Fwd.us lobbying group that got Obama to executive order amnesty.

    I’ll admit that situations are different in different countries, but here in America things are different. Here in Miami, Jewish third graders are lectured on the St Louis, a ship of Jewish refugees which went back to Nazi Germany when the Americans would not take them in (and when the Jews on board refused to go to the Dominican Republic which offered to take them). From an early age, Jewish children are taught that if they don’t support unlimited US immigration, that they I’ll be slaughtered.

    The stereotype is real and it is a belief religiously held.

    Rotten

    November 24, 2015 at 1:46 am

    • They are not Jewish “leaders,” the are rich people who are friends of Zuckerberg. Are there any rich people of any religion who are against immigration besides Donald Trump?

      No one ever taught me in Hebrew school (an Orthodox Hebrew school by the way) about any of the crap that you’re talking about. Although the message was very pro-Israel. Serving in the Israeli Army was considered the highest thing that a Jew could do.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 24, 2015 at 10:08 am

    • By the way, the ship did not go back to Nazi Germany. The passengers went to Britain, France, Belgium, and Holland. Those who were in the latter three countries came under Nazi control when Germany conquered those countries in 1940. But that wasn’t America’s fault fer chrissake.

      Tarl

      November 25, 2015 at 9:40 am

  24. What infuriates right-wingers is how Jews support immigration for America, but oppose it for Israel. Yes, that even includes mainstream Democrats, not far0 leftists like Noam Chomsky. The “socialists” at DISSENT (Michael Walzer, Irving Howe) support Israel.

    In recent decades the Republican party has attempted to outflank Democrats on Israel, basically saying anything the Jewish state does is perfectly OK. There’s a really fun documentary about anti-Semitism from an Israeli Orthodox Jew called DEFAMATION.

    More than any other group, probably owing to their high IQ, Jews have been able to transcend tribalism (e.g., Peter Singer, Noam Chomsky).

    Vince

    November 24, 2015 at 1:50 am

    • So instead of admiring Israeli Jews, the anti-Semite types choose to hate all Jews because some American Jews are liberals who aren’t really friends of Israel. Netanyahu doesn’t even like those types very much.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 24, 2015 at 10:10 am

      • Criticism of Jews is not ant-Semitic, anymore than the criticism of Gentiles all over this thread is anti-Gentile. The constructive criticism of Jews on the right is that that many of those same liberal American Jews seldom advocate for Israel the same policies they advocate for America, and would indeed be conservative Jews if they lived Israel. Whether that’s true or not is an open question.

        pumpkinperson

        November 24, 2015 at 10:32 am

      • Criticism of Jews is definitely anti-Semitic when it is incessant and other ethnic groups are never criticized.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 24, 2015 at 10:39 am

      • Criticism of Jews is definitely anti-Semitic when it is incessant and other ethnic groups are never criticized

        I agree. But you’re the one who chose this topic of discussion.

        pumpkinperson

        November 24, 2015 at 10:49 am

      • “Criticism of Jews is definitely anti-Semitic when it is incessant and other ethnic groups are never criticized.”

        Perhaps the Lapp people of Scandinavia are also hypocritical when it comes to immigration. But unlike the Jews, their opinion doesn’t influence anyone. American Jews are very influential (ADL, AJC, AIPAC). You bring up Orthodox Jews, but of course they have the least amount of influence. Reform Jews who tend to be the most liberal on immigration are also the most influential.

        Jimi

        November 24, 2015 at 12:44 pm

      • I support Israel a great deal.

        map

        November 24, 2015 at 4:25 pm

      • The constructive criticism of Jews on the right is that that many of those same liberal American Jews seldom advocate for Israel

        It is antisemitic because Israel has nothing to do with Western immigration policy. European liberals like Corbyn are anti-Israel leftists, but they also want open borders. You’re conflating a foreign policy that applies only to American politics that has nothing to do with the rest of the West. If Democrats were anti-Israel they would still be open borders just as Corbyn and Junker are.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 24, 2015 at 5:22 pm

  25. This short video is pretty popular among members of the identitarian right who blame Jews for mass immigration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85BKDj_1vVU&sns=tw

    Dave Pinsen

    November 24, 2015 at 2:40 am

    • She’s a liberal who doesn’t represent the majority of Jews who are opposed to immigration.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 24, 2015 at 10:17 am

    • Again, the polls show Jews want less immigration.

      http://cis.org/ReligionAndImmigrationPoll

      In contrast to many religious leaders, most members think immigration is too high.

      Jews: 50 percent said it is too high; 5 percent said is too low; 22 percent just right.

      http://www.jta.org/news/article/2010/10/12/2741253/poll-jewish-support-for-obama-falling

      The survey asked its Jewish respondents: “A new law in Arizona gives police the power to ask people they’ve stopped to verify their residency status. Supporters say this will help crack down on illegal immigration. Opponents say it could violate civil rights and lead to racial profiling. On balance, do you support or oppose this law?”

      The result was a slim majority in favor of the law: 52 percent to 46 percent.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      November 24, 2015 at 5:39 pm

      • The Jewish percentages are much smaller compared to the Gentile percentages. But your point is correct.

        map

        November 25, 2015 at 10:05 pm

      • The Jewish percentages are much smaller compared to the Gentile percentages. But your point is correct.

        The antisemites didn’t say compared to gentiles a smaller majority of Jews want immigration reductions; they said majorities of Jews want more.

        Are the antisemites lying or merely stupid?

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 27, 2015 at 1:42 pm

  26. “Hopefully, this puts to rest the assertion by anti-Semitic types that immigration is a secret plot by Jews to destroy the gentile whites.”
    Lion, it won’t do anything of the sort. Nothing makes a dent in anti-Semitic conspiracy mongering about Jews.
    That said, it’s a fact that Jews have been a real pain in the ass on the subject of immigration. Not “the Jews” – Jews.
    I note that Deutsch never says, “stop immigration because Austrians have a right to maintain their culture.” He says, “stop immigration because it’s bad for us.” What a turd.

    gothamette

    November 24, 2015 at 9:13 am

  27. While I don’t subscribe to the conspiracy theory, the fact that some European Jews and Jewish communities will be damaged in the interim by mass Muslim immigration does not necessarily negate the theory that Jews are orchestrating the downfall of gentile white nations. Taking over the world would require a long term strategy, and long term strategies always involve some degree of collateral damage. In fact those who do subscribe to this theory view the holocaust as a Jewish orchestration that would bring about the state of Israel and force the rest of the world into a sympathetic stance toward Jewish suffering (it may sound kooky but that is the theory!).

    slithy toves

    November 24, 2015 at 11:26 am

  28. Lion, I am your biggest fan. This link shows the real reason we have massive Muslim immigration to the USA. Consider reproducing these images as their own post! thanks

    arlo smith

    November 24, 2015 at 6:43 pm

    • destructure

      November 24, 2015 at 7:56 pm

    • Any high IQ Lion reader should know that Muslim immigrants isn’t the problem. People who are inherently disenfranchised (where money is not even an issue), and those with lower IQs are the problem. But I think disenfranchisement, whether economically, physically (unattractive people) or some other impediment or disparity is the core issue.

      The mastermind of the Paris Attack attended a prestigious high school in Belgium, before he joined ISIS. Ted Kaczynski was an elite academic in the making. He had impediments — shy, poor speaking ability and his prole background became problems for his career, ultimately leading to his anti-social behavior.

      JS

      November 24, 2015 at 8:45 pm

      • Let’s say for the sake of argument that the stupid and/or the “disenfranchised” are the real problem.

        What are the odds that Muslim immigrants are going to be smart or enfranchised?

        Extremely low.

        Heck, even their children who were born in the West are stupid and/or “disenfranchised”.

        It is abundantly obvious that being Muslim is a source of their “disenfranchisement” and feelings of extreme resentment about that.

        Is this problem “fixable”? Hmmm, we have had blacks in the West for many centuries, and they remain stupid and/or “disenfranchised”. Even throwing bazillions of dollars at the problem hasn’t solved it. And we must face the obvious fact that Western governments are not even trying to integrate them, so their path to “enfranchisement” (whatever the hell that actually is) will be even longer.

        Therefore we can save ourselves a whole lot of aggravation, bloodshed, and expense by going to the shortcut, “no Muslim immigrants”.

        Tarl

        November 25, 2015 at 9:34 am

  29. I suspect a lot of liberal American Jews would vote conservative in Israel

    Then you don’t understand Israeli politics. In Israel, you vote on identity, not policy.

    Make no mistake, there is ZERO difference between Likud and Labor in difference in terms of policy. None, nada, zilch. The only difference is one of identity. Likud voters are dumb proles who, while not religious, have a very strong Jewish identity. Labor and Yesh Atid voters, in contrast, are intelligent urban folks who have a very strong “Israeli” identity as opposed to a Jewish one. A Labor voter is very similar to a typical American Jew except that they hate Obama and aren’t PC. Just like American Jews they also hate religious Jews.

    There are plenty of legit left wing nutjobs in Israel, but they don’t vote Labor/Yesh Atid, they vote for these moonbats called Meretz.

    Pretty much any famous American Jew would vote for Labor or Yesh Atid were they living in Israel. I can’t really think of any famous American Jews that would vote Likud. Maybe Adam Sandler? A guy like Glenn Greenwald would vote Meretz.

    Otis the Sweaty

    November 24, 2015 at 8:11 pm

  30. Let me guess, without reading a single comment. There are a whomping 135 comments on this relatively boring topic because everyone here is armchair quarterbacking Dubba-ya Dubba-ya Two. Amirite?

    hard9bf

    November 24, 2015 at 8:36 pm

  31. Finally, I want Lion and Undiscovered Jew to understand that I am following Lawrence Auster’s writings on criticizing Jews. As he wrote, “there is nothing wrong with criticizing Jews, unless you are criticizing Jews as Jews.” It is all right to treat Jews as human beings who make good and bad decisions and criticizing for those choices. It is wrong to criticize Jews as Jews, that is, as some kind of group-survival strategy against the world. The treats the Jews as a virus, and there is only one solution to that.

    So, Lion and Undiscovered Jew are simply making bad arguments that I am trying to refute.

    map

    November 24, 2015 at 10:11 pm

    • You’re going out of your way to pick on Jews, and making a big deal about the fact that they are Jewish, implying a Jewish conspiracy to control the world; that’s anti-Semitic.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 24, 2015 at 11:40 pm

      • I personally really like Jews. Everything I know about IQ (the subject I passionately blog about) was learned reading fascinating brilliant books by the great Jewish scholars David Wechsler and Arthur Jensen. My favorite movie of all time (Halloween) stars a Jew (Jamie Lee Curtis) who was absolutely fabulous in the part.

        However as a curious person trying to make sense of the World, I find what Steve Sailer calls the “Invade the world! Invite the World!” strategy of U.S. elites.to be hard to explain without invoking the potential unique role of Jewish interests. It just feels like the Occam’s razor explanation, though that doesn’t make it true.

        And at the same time, I realize many Gentiles play a huge role too, and there are so many good honorable Jews that do not deserve criticism, and even if some tiny subset of Jewsish elites are pushing these policies,it’s understandable given their history of being persecuted. The scars of history take several generations to heal.

        pumpkinperson

        November 25, 2015 at 12:36 am

      • What Netanyahu wants is what advances the interests of Israel. He really wanted the U.S. to do something about Iran, but the Obama administration refused.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 25, 2015 at 2:07 pm

      • He really wanted the U.S. to do something about Iran, but the Obama administration refused

        Just as a tiny subset of Jewish American elites ( not most) arguably push for Middle Eastern policies that they think help Israel, a Muslim heritage American elite like Obama arguabley pushes for policies that he thinks helps Muslims.

        That just seems like common sense to me but I could be wrong.

        pumpkinperson

        November 25, 2015 at 2:17 pm

      • Jewish scholars David Wechsler and Arthur Jensen. My favorite movie of all time (Halloween) stars a Jew (Jamie Lee Curtis) who was absolutely fabulous in the part.

        Paleoconservative Jews include Ron Unz, Paul Gottfried, Murray Rothbard (inspired by von Mises) among others.

        Bobby Fischer and Karl Marx are examples of antisemitic Jews.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 25, 2015 at 4:47 pm

      • Nope.

        The very first article I submitted was about the leftists triangulation strategy within the Democratic Party. The rest is just illustrating what people will believe when presented with certain facts.

        Finally, I am simply countering the base argument you presented regarding IKG.

        map

        November 25, 2015 at 10:19 pm

      • Paleoconservative Jews include Ron Unz, Paul Gottfried, Murray Rothbard (inspired by von Mises) among others.

        Bobby Fischer and Karl Marx are examples of antisemitic Jews.

        Because of high IQ, and even higher verbal IQ, there is enormous diversity of thought among Jews.

        pumpkinperson

        November 26, 2015 at 8:47 am

      • And an allegedly Jewish guy who posts anti-Semitic stuff at the Lew Rockwell website: ironic that Jews are disproportionately represented among Jew haters.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 26, 2015 at 9:33 am

      • You’re going out of your way to pick on Jews,

        And defaming Sweden’s quarter Jews 🙂

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 27, 2015 at 2:23 pm

  32. The EU and the world in general are not anti-semitic. They have a fare and balanced approach to Israel. It’s so obvious, yet some people insist it’s not so.

    http://www.thewire.com/global/2013/11/un-interpreter-falls-victim-dreaded-hot-mic/71635/

    Yakov

    November 25, 2015 at 4:27 am

  33. Jews are treated fairly, yet some keep insisting that they are not.
    http://www.thewire.com/global/2013/11/un-interpreter-falls-victim-dreaded-hot-mic/71635/

    Yakov

    November 25, 2015 at 4:29 am

  34. Lion, any comment on the fact that clock boy, who you defended with vigor, is trying to shake down his old school district for $15 million dollars?

    Dan

    November 25, 2015 at 12:49 pm

  35. Thanksgiving is anti-semitic on account of all the anti-semites eating turkey and cranberry sauce. Mmmm… cranberry sauce.

    destructure

    November 26, 2015 at 5:13 pm

    • Anti-semites think that everything in the world has to do with Jews, even eating turkey. I dunno about turkey being yummy, my kids ate their’s, but with the rack of baby lamb and short ribs on the table I could only have a tiny taste.

      Lion and other chaps mounted an excellent defense of the Jews, but when it comes to anti-semitism, even the smart ones like Unz and Saler are stupid, totaly stupid. Arguing with them is like tilting at windmills. You won’t convince them of anything, their hatred is irrational. Just read the drivel of Israel Shamir, a convert to Christianity and a vile anti-semite hiding behind this pen name on Unz. Incidentally, when I asked Unz about it he said that the claim that Jews trade in body parts of goyim is no more offensive than my statement that Zionism is a Jewish national liberation movement. Both are opinions that have a right to be voided ced and who is to say what’s right and what’s offensive? Zionism being a Jewish national liberation movement is not an opinion – it’s a fact. Unz doesn’t have to like it, but he cannot change the reality. Is Jews trading in body parts or drinking the blood of Christian babies a fact?

      Who cares to talk about stupid anti-semites on Thanksgiving anyway?

      Yakov

      November 27, 2015 at 1:39 am

      • Sailer is an HBDer and Unz is at least an HBD promoter. HBD is all about exploring politically incorrect ethnic and racial stereotypes. Some Jewish HBDers are more than happy to explore negative stereotypes about other racial or ethnic groups, but cry antisemitism when Jewish stereotypes are explored. They can dish it out but can’t take it. That’s completely hypocritical.

        Even Jewish scholar Michael Hart (who wrote one of the greatest and one of the most politically incorrect HBD books of all time: Understanding Human History ) went ballistic when Jews were criticized, Do they not see the irony? Or are they just hoping others are too dumb to see it?

        As a Jewish man,Unz deserves credit for being principled and intellectually honest enough to apply his tolerance for political incorrectness consistently, even when it’s against his own people.

        pumpkinperson

        November 27, 2015 at 10:43 am

      • The give the impression of appeasing their anti-Semitic readers by going out of their way to imply Jewish conspiracies.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 27, 2015 at 12:18 pm

      • Pumpkin, it’s irrelevant whether Unz ia Jewish or not. What matters is if he is promoting the truth or not. If he believes Israel Shamir’s drivel he is an idiot. Shamir claimed on Russian Christian TV station that Jews supported Hitler, there was no Holocaust and that Ukrainian crisis is the work Nazi Jews in Ukraine. Even the mildly anti-semitic Russian priest was blushing and didn’t know how to react.

        OK, let’s get real. What specific HBD criticism of the Jews do you have? Remember, we are talking HBD, not blood labels, unless you think it’s somehow HBD related.

        Yakov

        November 27, 2015 at 1:45 pm

      • Even Jewish scholar Michael Hart (who wrote one of the greatest and one of the most politically incorrect HBD books of all time: Understanding Human History ) went ballistic when Jews were criticized,

        That was in response to comments made by David Duke. What do you expect Hart to do? Congratulate Duke and buy him dinner?

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 27, 2015 at 2:05 pm

      • Unz deserves credit for being principled and intellectually honest enough to apply his tolerance for political incorrectness consistently, even when it’s against his own people.

        He deserves no credit if it’s lies or something gentiles are also guilty of, which are almost always what antisemitic criticisms amount to.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 27, 2015 at 2:25 pm

      • ‘Sailer is an HBDer and Unz is at least an HBD promoter. HBD is all about exploring politically incorrect ethnic and racial stereotypes.’

        This isn’t what HBD is about. It’s about exploring the BIOLOGICAL basis for human diversity. So common, Pumpkin, lemme hear. What’s the BIOLOGICAL basis for the claim that Jews trade in body parts? or drink Christian blood? or are pro-immigration or are whatever?

        If you don’t have a biological basis, maybe you have historical? or empirical? or whatever?

        Yakov

        November 27, 2015 at 3:40 pm

      • What’s the BIOLOGICAL basis for the claim that Jews trade in body parts? or drink Christian blood? or are pro-immigration or are whatever?

        I think the most one could claim is that Ashkenazi Jews are somewhat more pro-immigration (on average) than white Gentiles. In terms of explaining this biologically, one could invoke positive genetic traits like IQ (which makes you more open to change and tolerant) and empathy, or negative traits like ethnocentric paranoia (a more diverse West weakens potentially anti-Semitic white nationalism).

        Only the first trait (IQ) is known to be salient in Ashkenazim as far as I know, The rest is speculation.

        As for trading in body parts and drinking Christian blood..I wouldn’t want to dignify those claims with a comment without seeing strong evidence

        pumpkinperson

        November 27, 2015 at 11:05 pm

      • “I think the most one could claim is that Ashkenazi Jews are somewhat more pro-immigration (on average) than white Gentiles.”

        Because Jews live in liberal places like New York City. I don’t think the average upper-middle-class Jew in New York City is more liberal on this issue or any other issue than the average upper-middle-class gentile white in New York City.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 28, 2015 at 8:24 am

      • Because Jews live in liberal places like New York City. I don’t think the average upper-middle-class Jew in New York City is more liberal on this issue or any other issue than the average upper-middle-class gentile white in New York City.

        You might be right, and it’s important to control for other variables if one wants to understand the root causes of Jewish behavior. But then the question becomes, do Jews tend to be liberal because they’re upper-class New Yorkers, or did upper-class New York become liberal because of Jews? Are Jews liberal because they live in New York or did Jews move to New York because it’s liberal?

        But you sound a bit inconsistent because when you post about blacks being high in crime, you don’t make statements like: Because Blacks live in criminal places like the ghetto. I don’t think the average lower-class Black living in the inner-city ghetto is more criminal than the average lower-class White living in the inner-city ghetto.

        pumpkinperson

        November 28, 2015 at 9:25 am

      • Actually, I’ve previously stated that ghettos values get transmitted to immigrant groups who move to the U.S. and are forced to live in ghettos because they can’t afford better.

        But from an HBD perspective, poor blacks have lower IQ, higher extroversion, and less impulse control than poor whites.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 28, 2015 at 11:47 am

      • ethnocentric paranoia (a more diverse West weakens potentially anti-Semitic white nationalism).

        The theory itself is questionable: An ethnically diverse nation, of any sort, is inherently unstable and dangerous for everyone because every ethnic group is vying for political power. Demographic stability is optimal for creating political stability.

        The evidence for that is even more questionable. The first person to propose Jews gain some sort of ethnic advantage from ethnic diversity is Kevin MacDonald; and as I’ve shown, the source material he uses for the history of Jewish immigration lobbying, such as Sheldon Neuringer’s paper, appears to be in the context of helping Jewish refugees escape discrimination. His sources say little about immigration outside Europe.

        I’d like a quote by quote review of MacDonald’s immigration chapter compared to his evidence before I hear anymore nonsense about Jews benefiting from racial diversity, which always leads to political chaos. As it stands, given MacDonald’s pattern of lying, we have grounds for rejecting that argument on its face until someone can provide evidence to back him up on it:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_B._MacDonald

        The One People’s Project said MacDonald has promoted anti-Semitic propaganda under the guise of what he says is a legitimate and academic search for truth.[30] He has been accused of misrepresenting the sources he uses in that regard. Dr. Barry Mehler, an educator at Ferris State University, cited for example a quote from a 1969 dissertation by Sheldon Morris Neuringer[who?] titled American Jewry and United States immigration policy, 1881-1953 where MacDonald surmised that when Neuringer noted Jewish opposition in 1921 and 1924 to the anti-immigration legislation at the time was due more to it having the “taint of discrimination and anti-Semitism” as opposed to how it would limit Jewish immigration, MacDonald wrote, “…Jewish opposition to the 1921 and 1924 legislation was motivated less by a desire for higher levels of Jewish immigration than by opposition to the implicit theory that America should be dominated by individuals with northern and western European ancestry.” Mehler replied that “It seems to me Mr. MacDonald is misrepresenting Mr. Neuringer in this case and I posted my query hoping that a historian familiar with the literature might have a judgment on MacDonald’s use of the historical data.“[31]

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 28, 2015 at 11:54 am

  36. What other countries are routinely erased from the map? What other countries’ national movements are voted racist by the world organization? What other countries are subject to an international boycott and divestment movement?

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/11/26/cnn-wipes-israel-off-map/

    Rational and factual criticism is good for the Jews, but there is very little of it.

    Yakov

    November 27, 2015 at 12:15 pm

  37. “Anti-semites think that everything in the world has to do with Jews, even eating turkey.”

    What’s the difference between that and Jews who see “anti-semites” hiding under every rock? They’re both obsessed with some non-existent threat from people who aren’t even thinking about them.

    “Lion and other chaps mounted an excellent defense of the Jews, “

    I didn’t care enough to read the comments. But a lot of the arguments they’ve made in the past were pretty bad. They’re irrational on this topic.

    destructure

    November 27, 2015 at 12:47 pm

    • Actually, I would say that most Jews are unaware of the anti-Semitism because they don’t see the side of the internet that I do, or have to constantly delete Jew-hating comments from their blogs. Most Jews simply have a reflexive aversion to Swastikas.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 27, 2015 at 1:01 pm

      • I’ve personally known Jews who acted like Woody Allen in that clip. I think most people who’ve spent much time around Jews have known a couple like that. That’s why he made the scene. As for deleting “Jew-hating comments”, I recall a number of times that you’ve deliberately antagonized others. Do you think their might be a connection?

        destructure

        November 27, 2015 at 1:46 pm

      • As for deleting “Jew-hating comments”, I recall a number of times that you’ve deliberately antagonized others. Do you think their might be a connection?

        You’re awfully deluded if you think it would help antisemitism if Lion approved more of their antisemitic comments, or if you think the ones he does allow are logically attractive beyond the tiny race realist corner of the internet. Comments like the genius ones where 3/4 ethnic Nordics are accused of controlling the Swedish media do more to undermine antisemitism’s credibility are unintentionally doing Abe Foxman’s work for him.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 27, 2015 at 2:03 pm

      • TUJ — When did I opine on whether Leon should delete comments? Regardless, I don’t think your cause is served by barking “anti-semite” at others.

        destructure

        November 27, 2015 at 10:49 pm

      • When did I opine on whether Leon should delete comments?

        You keep making excuses for the lies of antisemitic commenters and you even deny antisemitic falsehoods – like the obviously false insistence that the quarter Jewish Bonniers are acting in Jewish interests – are antisemitic. And then you bitch and moan after those commenters get caught in lies that they’re being treated unfairly. If you don’t want them to be called out on their lying, then they need to stop lying, but don’t give us your phony, pompous attitude telling us we’re supposed to have sympathy for their case.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 28, 2015 at 11:43 am

      • TUJ — I haven’t “made excuses” for anyone. I haven’t even mentioned any of the previous comments on this post because I haven’t read them. However, you tend to go off the deep end pretty quick. You might want to get that under control.

        destructure

        November 28, 2015 at 6:49 pm

    • ‘What’s the difference between that and Jews who see “anti-semites” hiding under every rock? They’re both obsessed with some non-existent threat from people who aren’t even thinking about them.’

      Maybe there is or maybe there isn’t, it’s just not what was being discussed here.

      Yakov

      November 27, 2015 at 1:33 pm

    • Actually, I would say that most Jews are unaware of the anti-Semitism

      I don’t know personally any Jew who is constantly worrying about antisemitism the way antisemites are always bringing up Jews. I also rarely hear Jews discuss discrimination by WASPs the way antisemites obsessively bring up WASPs, the latter being the most leftwing of all Christians and withwhom secular Jews have pretty well intermarried into.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      November 27, 2015 at 1:47 pm

  38. Israel Shamir in his own words:
    ‘The reason for the Jews’ success is
    that the ruling ethnic groups trust the Jews and rely upon their loyalty to the powerful and lack of compassion for their Gentile neighbours. ‘

    Pumpkin, can you weigh in on this? How were the Jews selected for this trait? What’s the HBD theory behind this one?

    http://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-fateful-triangle-russia-ukraine-and-the-jews/

    Yakov

    November 27, 2015 at 4:03 pm

    • Yakov, because Jewish thinkers and artists have had such a positive effect on my mental life since childhood, I prefer to focus on the positive genetic traits Jews are thought to have, like high IQ, verbal talent, and creativity.

      However since you asked about negative stereotypes, there is a side to me that does enjoy thinking ALL races and ethnic groups have negative genetic traits. I think this is because I’m a horror/sci fi fan and racial stereotypes make for fascinating macabre imagery:

      http://pumpkinperson.com/2015/06/04/the-link-between-horror-movies-hbd/

      So in terms of explaining the stereotype you cite that Jews exploit their gentile neighbors, there is a theory that Jews are kind of like a tribe of high IQ gypsies and may even share a genetic link with gypsies:

      http://moderntribalist.blogspot.ca/2006/04/are-polish-roma-gypsies-related-to.html

      Jews, like gypsies, are a nomadic people, and because nomads lack a home, there might have been natural selection for the ability to exploit different societies by being sneaky. Because of low IQ, gypsies can only do this by petty theft and simple street cons, while Jews would have the IQ to do this in much more sophisticated subtle ways..

      Of course there’s no scientific evidence in support of this HBD theory.

      pumpkinperson

      November 27, 2015 at 10:46 pm

      • Whole genome population genetic studies show no significant genetic link between Jews and Roma/gypsies

        nebbish

        November 29, 2015 at 12:23 am

      • Pumpkin, Jews stopped being nomadic 3,500 years ago. Jews are genetically related to gypsies now?

        Look, HBD is supposed to be science, you know.

        Yakov

        November 29, 2015 at 2:16 am

      • Yakov, Jews have been somewhat nomadic for the last 2000 years because they were expelled from so many countries, partly for what Lion might call “value transference “. That was the whole point of creating Israel. To finally give the Jews a homeland, but this might be hard if you believe Jews evolved to do higher level work like creating narratives & abstractions & not the concrete work of living off the land.

        I don’t know how related they are to gypsies, but two nomadic groups can evolve some similar traits independently: convergent evolution

        pumpkinperson

        November 29, 2015 at 5:15 pm

      • Jews were forbidden from farming and other occupations because the gentiles hated them. There was no such thing as value transference via commercial transactions back in the Middle Ages, it was a scarcity economy. The value transferers were the landowners, and the Jews were forbidden from owning land.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 29, 2015 at 10:08 pm

      • Being expelled doesn’t turn you into a nomad, in a sense in which gypsies are. Yep, Jews have lost their affinity for manual labor and trades. It’s a problem that has no solution. Some suggested that similar to do doing the army, all Jews should do two years of manual labor. Nice idea, but it won’t fly.

        Yakov

        November 29, 2015 at 10:15 pm

  39. I am going to ask a different version of Lawrence Summers’ question that got him in a bit of trouble. Could antisemitism be a selected trait?

    MyTwoCents

    November 27, 2015 at 9:35 pm

    • Fascinating question, but probably not enough time for antisemitism to be selected for in any one group.

      pumpkinperson

      November 27, 2015 at 11:46 pm

    • Let’s turn that question around and consider a population that has lived as an exclusive minority for thousands of years. Every generation the less xenophobic members would assimilate into the larger population leaving only the most xenophobic behind. Of course, this doesn’t mean the population is anywhere near 100% xenophobic. There would probably be an equilibrium between those who are and those who aren’t kind of like the well-known hawk vs dove behavior instinct.

      destructure

      November 28, 2015 at 10:48 am

      • destructure, very insightful. Jews would be more likely to be the ones being selected for attitudes towards Gentiles, because everywhere they went, they had to live among non-Jews. By contrast, other ethnic groups only sometimes encountered Jews (who didn’t stay in one place long) or other out-groups, but mostly lived among themselves

        pumpkinperson

        November 28, 2015 at 12:06 pm

      • Jews would be more likely to be the ones being selected for attitudes towards Gentiles, because everywhere they went, they had to live among non-Jews.

        Explain why are secular Jews liberal because of ethnocentrism when the most ethnocentric Jews are among the most conservative of all white groups? Every measure of Jewish ethnocentrism (71% of secular Jews are intermarried, 98% of Orthodox Jews are married to Jews) shows a positive correlation between higher rates of ethnocentrism and conservative tendencies.

        Secular Jews are liberal because they are not as ethnocentric as Orthodox or Russian immigrant Jews, the direction of the correlation proves it.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 28, 2015 at 3:47 pm

      • TUJ — Be careful not to impose assumptions onto my comments. I didn’t say secular jews were liberal because of ethnocentrism. On the contrary, group loyalty is generally associated with being more conservative, religious, etc. So one would expect ultra religious jews to be more xenophobic. At least on average. Though one wouldn’t necessarily have to be religious to be xenophobic.

        destructure

        November 28, 2015 at 6:42 pm

      • Undiscovered Jew,

        High IQ Jews have two potential reasons to be liberal. 1) Liberalism is more intellectual 2) Liberalism serves percieved Jewish interests

        However because ethnocentricism is a primitive impulse, the most ethnocentric Jews likely have lower IQs and are not intellectual enough to value liberalism nor smart enough to know it’s good for the Jews (outside Israel)

        Just speculating. It would take really thoughtful studies to know for sure

        pumpkinperson

        November 28, 2015 at 7:01 pm

      • “Liberalism serves percieved Jewish interests”

        More likely, liberal Jews have convinced themselves that being liberal serves Jewish interests so that they don’t feel Jewish guilt about being liberal.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 28, 2015 at 11:27 pm

      • High IQ Jews have two potential reasons to be liberal. 1) Liberalism is more intellectual 2) Liberalism serves percieved Jewish interests

        However because ethnocentricism is a primitive impulse, the most ethnocentric Jews likely have lower IQs and are not intellectual enough to value liberalism nor smart enough to know it’s good for the Jews (outside Israel)

        Just speculating. It would take really thoughtful studies to know for sure

        First of all, Orthodox Jews have similar IQ scores compared to secular American Jews, usually around 105 to 110. So they’re not significantly dumber that it should be assumed their conservativism is due to their being too slow to understand liberalism is in their ethnic interests. They are more than smart enough to figure what politics are best for their own group on their own. Interestingly, conservative non-Orthodox Jews have higher iQs than liberal Jews, according to a study Razib Khan referred to (I don’t have the link to it anymore, you’;ll have to ask Razib for it). I suspect HBD Jews are even more intelligent than the Jewish average because outliers have to be smart enough to understand why their group may be wrong.

        Secondly, by definition, the most ethnocentric group has the best understanding of what affects group interests. If Orthodox Jews,see conservatism is in their group interests and more ethnocentric than secular Jews, then that should be taken as evidence conservatism is in Jewish interests since that stance is the preferred option of the most tribalistic group.

        Include in your speculations a 3rd possibility, which is what I conclude is the cause of Secular Jewish liberalism:

        * Secular Jews are liberal for basically the same reasons as gentile liberals are.
        * There are no significant motivational or policy differences between liberal Jews and liberal gentiles, and those that are there are mostly cosmetic and superficial differences.
        * Since secular Jews and liberal gentiles have essentially the same viewpoints, and for the same reasons, it makes little difference what proportion of an elite is Jewish or gentile; liberalism will be promoted no matter the proportion.

        In the case of Orthodox Jews, the most ethnocentric group should have the best understanding of what is in the g. While the American heartland in many places looks like it did 50 years ago, urban areas where Jews used to live have been made unrecognizable by immigration.

        Secular Jews like liberal gentile whites ignore the damage liberalism has done to urban living because they sincerely think their faulty policies are altruistic.

        I would encourage you to at least strongly consider the possibility Jews are essentially no different from gentile liberals in policy and motivational factors, at least so you don’t end up blathering incoherently about 3/4 to 7/8 Swedes undermining Swedish genetic interests 🙂

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 29, 2015 at 6:15 pm

    • Every generation the less xenophobic members would assimilate into the larger population leaving only the most xenophobic behind.

      Then why are 71% of secular Jews intermarried with gentiles?

      The Undiscovered Jew

      November 28, 2015 at 12:04 pm

      • Jews have been much slower to intermarry than Irish and Italians who immigrated at about the same time. In fact, the Jewish intermarriage rate has lagged the Irish and Italian by about two generations. So it took two additional generations to reach the same level of intermarriage as other immigrants. And that’s just secular Jews whom one would expect to be much less xenophobic. I’d say that demonstrates a fairly high degree of xenophobia.

        destructure

        November 28, 2015 at 2:14 pm

      • They married Catholic non-Italians and non-Irish, and there are a lot of mixed Italian-Irish marriages, so they weren’t intermarrying out of their religion.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 28, 2015 at 4:53 pm

      • They married Catholic non-Italians and non-Irish, and there are a lot of mixed Italian-Irish marriages, so they weren’t intermarrying out of their religion.

        Ethnic white Catholics marrying other ethnic white Catholics doesn’t count as religious outmarriage. That makes the 71% outmarriage rate of secular Jews a more impressive demonstration of non-xenophobia and tolerance for outsiders than intra-Catholic marriage between whites because the former kind had more historical religious taboos standing in its way.

        Liberal secular Jews are imitating the non-ethnocentrism of Jews from centuries ago who left Judaism for Christianity to join gentile society.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 28, 2015 at 5:07 pm

      • Leon & TUJ — TUJ specifically mentioned secular Jews. Now you’re both trying to muddy the waters with interfaith marriages. If you want to move the goal posts then you need to at least give the intermarriage rate for orthodox jews. I’m pretty sure it’s nowhere near 71%.

        destructure

        November 28, 2015 at 7:09 pm

      • Orthodox Jews have a very low intermarriage rate, and they vote Republican.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 28, 2015 at 11:27 pm

      • “Orthodox Jews have a very low intermarriage rate, and they vote Republican.”

        So you would agree that orthodox jews are more xenophobic than secular jews as well as gentiles in general? After all, that was essentially the original point.

        destructure

        November 29, 2015 at 12:09 pm

      • What’s the meaning of “phobia” which means an irrational fear of outsiders? I think that Orthodox Jews have a very rational fear that too much association with goyim could make their children stop being observant Jews. That’s exactly what happened to the majority of original Jews who immigrated to the United States.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 29, 2015 at 12:11 pm

      • You mean like this?

        destructure

        November 29, 2015 at 1:41 pm

      • So you would agree that orthodox jews are more xenophobic than secular jews as well as gentiles in general? After all, that was essentially the original point.

        Your point was that secular Jews are liberal because they are ethnocentric.

        I then pointed out that ethnocentrism can’t be positively correlated with secular Jewish liberalism because rightwing Orthodox Jews are more ethnocentric than secular Jews, by a considerable margin on most measures of it.

        How do you avoid the conclusion that secular Jews are liberal because they are no ethnocentric .

        I also do not agree secular Jews are significantly more xenophobic than gentiles, if you break down GSS results by Jewish denomination, you will see that Jews with no denomination score low on assigning importance to their ethnicity compared to other white groups.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 29, 2015 at 5:53 pm

      • You mean like this?

        Saying quarter Jews from Sweden are promoting Jewish interests is much more irrational, and at least Jews can point to a major disaster occurring from antisemitism within living memory.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 29, 2015 at 5:55 pm

      • “Your point was that secular Jews are liberal because they are ethnocentric.”

        No. That’s pretty much the opposite of my point.

        “I then pointed out that ethnocentrism can’t be positively correlated with “

        You pointed it out as if you were contradicting my point rather than simply failing to understand it.

        “How do you avoid the conclusion that secular Jews are liberal because they are no ethnocentric.”

        I actually do think many secular jews are liberal because they’re not ethnocentric. But, since you asked, I also think ~some~ secular (and even liberal) jews are still ethnocentric. It’s possible for jews who hold a wide range of liberal views to still be ethnocentric because, until recently, the left has concentrated on bashing white christians rather than jews. So an ethnocentric jew who distinguished himself from white gentiles could still fall into line with most liberal causes. Especially since bashing white christians would play into that ethnocentrism.

        “and at least Jews can point to a major disaster occurring from antisemitism within living memory.”

        If a major disaster were occurring now then it might be relevant. Otherwise, I view it similar to farrakahn screaming about slavery.

        destructure

        November 30, 2015 at 1:32 am

      • “Your point was that secular Jews are liberal because they are ethnocentric.”

        No. That was pretty much the opposite of my point.

        “I then pointed out that ethnocentrism can’t be positively correlated with “

        You say that as if you contradicted my point rather than simply failed to understand it.

        “How do you avoid the conclusion that secular Jews are liberal because they are no ethnocentric.”

        When have I said otherwise? How could you have been a part of this discussion and misunderstood it so badly? I actually do think many secular jews are liberal because they’re less ethnocentric than their more religious counterparts. But, since you asked, I also think many secular (and even liberal) jews are still ethnocentric. It’s possible for jews with otherwise liberal views to still be ethnocentric because the left has concentrated on criticizing white gentiles, christians, etc rather than jews. So an ethnocentric jew who distinguished himself from white gentiles (as most do) could still fall into line with most liberal causes. Especially since criticizing white gentiles would play into their ethnocentrism.

        “and at least Jews can point to a major disaster occurring from antisemitism within living memory.”

        If a major disaster were occurring now then it might be relevant. Otherwise, I view it similar to farrakahn howling about slavery. Only a fool would think he’s motivated by anything other than hate.

        destructure

        November 30, 2015 at 9:53 am

    • Let’s turn that question around and consider a population that has lived as an exclusive minority for thousands of years. Every generation the less xenophobic members would assimilate into the larger population leaving only the most xenophobic behind.

      By that standard the non-ethnocentric secular Jews of today who intermarry at rates of 71%, and by doing so “leave behind the most ethnocentric members of the community”, are the equivalent of non-ethnocentric Jews from centuries ago who converted to Christianity. The main difference between now and then is that secular Jews no longer have to convert to fully enter gentile society.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      November 28, 2015 at 3:55 pm

  40. I’m late to the party, but I’ll state my opinion:

    *Most American Jews are vaguely liberal, which means supporting more immigration (among 50 other things). Orthodox Jews aren’t, but it’s not a major issue for them.

    *Just about every Jew here is an exception to this rule, and is probably here *because* they are an exception to the rule, since most pro-white sites are viciously antisemitic.

    *Neocons tend to be pro-immigration, as are liberal Jews, which is part of the reason for this fact. In short, there is no large ideological grouping of Jews against immigration–you also have libertarians like Bryan Caplan arguing for extreme positions like Open Borders. A lot of it is also these guys stewing in Nazi reading material for the past 70 years.

    *The Nazis did more damage to Europe and to the idea of white people having any valid interests, and of Western Civ being a tradition to be preserved, than anyone else in history.

    SFG

    November 28, 2015 at 8:53 am

    • “Most American Jews are vaguely liberal, which means supporting more immigration”

      This is incorrect. Surveys show that most American Jews do NOT support more immigration. But yes, there is no organization formally representing the political beliefs of the average Jew.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 28, 2015 at 11:44 am

      • You’re right that if you do an issue-by-issue breakdown, immigration comes out weakly against. But most of them (present company very much excepted) support the Democrats, who are pro-immigration.

        The thing is that party elites in both parties want more immigration, for completely different reasons in each case.

        SFG

        November 28, 2015 at 3:07 pm

  41. I’d like to know if someone could explain something to me that I find very puzzling. Hopefully, Lion, Yakov or UJ could give me a reasonable answer.

    What exactly is this “strong Semitism” that you guys so closely identify with that makes any real or apparent anti-Semitism so visceral to you? Now, I know that this might seem like a silly question. After all, you guys self-identify as Jewish and that should be enough, right? I, however, could self-identify as Napoleon or the King of Siam, yet it would not really be true, correct? It would seem odd for me to complain about others mocking my Napoleoness or my Kingofsiamness or any behavior that logically follows from my delusional beliefs.

    So I need to ask: what exactly makes you guys Jewish? Near as I can tell, you don’t live like Jews. You don’t worship as Jews. You don’t look, talk, dress or act like Jews. You don’t follow the tenets of the Torah or the Talmud. You don’t speak Yiddish or Hebrew, either in the home or among your friends. You don’t wear yarmulkes or dress like 18th century Polish businessmen with beards. You don’t keep Kosher. You don’t spend much time in the Synagogue outside of a few select high holidays. What, then, is this Jewishness that you defend from the evil anti-Semites?

    Ok…my bad. I may be relying too much on the Jewishness of the Orthodox/Hasidic community, where they are readily identified as Jewish traditionalists just by looking at them. I understand that this is a small community compared to the vast majority of Jews. So, what identifies the vast majority of Jews as Jews if not for the rituals of the Orthodox? They may have vaguely Germanic or Polish last names but that is not definitive. They may typically self-identify as Jews by family or heritage, but, without this identification, spotting them is difficult. What they all share in common, however, is radical leftism. These Jews are far more leftist than the Gentile White population by wide margins. Within these groups, these Jews are more leftist than even Gentile White Leftists and, when Conservative, they are less Conservative than Gentile White conservatives. In fact, a non-orthodox Jew that identifies himself as Jewish has about an 85% chance of being some form of radical leftist. Lion’s own data from the general social survey indicates the wide disparity between these Jews and the Gentile white population.

    What’s the archetype of this new Judaism? Ditzy Whatshername-Putz, the head of the DNC. This gorgon is so stupid, not only does she think that there is a “war on women” going on, she thinks it’s the height of feminism to hyphenate her husband’s last name with her father’s last name. Her “Judaism” is radical leftism combined with a victimhood cult. The joke in her circle is that her people “vote like Puerto Ricans and live like Episcopalians,” forgetting that Puerto Ricans vote the way they do because they are parasites, not because they want to do good. Yet, this warmed-over Marxist preaching Holocaustianity is regarded as Jewish as a kosher matzo ball.

    And this is where we stand. I am, basically, an anti-leftist. My main concern is the destruction and removal of leftism in all of its forms from the West. This ideology is slowly inching us toward either a civil war, the dissolution of the United States, a limited nuclear exchange, or all three. If there was a button I could press that would turn every leftist into a pillar of salt, then I would press it even before the description of the button was finished. It does not bother me that such an act would remove 50% of the White Gentiles in the West. It also does not bother me that such an act would probably remove 85% of the Jewish population. There is no special dispensation granted in a war of survival.

    The question that I ask of the Jews on this blog is: do you have any problem with this? Is this particular anti-leftist position an attack on your essential Jewishness? If yes, then why? Most of you have very little leftism in your thought. Your Jewish identity leans conservative and Orthodox. No one is going to go after you for either radical beliefs or for keeping kosher and reading Hebrew. Most anti-Semitism is simply an attack on leftist Jews who are not even Jews anyway. Their “Judaism” amounts to a secret handshake among insiders in a quasi-Masonic lodge of which none of you are a part, a lodge devoted to cynically leveraging power none of you have. What do you care if someone attempts to turn Gentile Leftists by accusing them of being Jewish puppets, Jewish murderers or Jewish hypocrites, or documents the pattern or presence of these fake Jews in corrosive and dangerous movements? It’s just a tactic. Unless you conflate anti-leftism with anti-Semitism, there is no “there” there. Every anti-leftist movement is going to have a disproportionate attack on leftist “Jews” simply because of the preponderance of Jews in Leftist movements.

    The same question also applies to Israel. Yes, Israel is admirable for maintaining its nationalism, but this nationalism is very thin, because Israel cannot survive without the political and military might of the United States. Yakov laments the unfair treatment of Israel by citing all of the resolutions against it, but this just underscores the basic fakery of Israel’s existence. Meanwhile, fake Jews ensconced all over the leftist movement are busy undermining the very political and military power upon which Israel depends. Maybe these fake Jews know something that you don’t, that Israel is simply a safe haven for the oligarchic Jews to go to after they are done busting out and detonating the United States and Europe. I know what George Soros’ exit strategy is. What is your exit strategy if something goes wrong in the country you actually live in? Do you have a pile of money to live on in Israel? Are you going to practice law in Tel Aviv, or computer programming in Haifa, or install HVAC ducting in Jerusalem? Or, are these fake Jews counting on you guys being the new “Martyrs of the Pale” so they have an extra set of stories to tell their kids in Hebrew school?

    map

    November 29, 2015 at 12:58 am

    • “So I need to ask: what exactly makes you guys Jewish?”

      That anti-Semites hate me for it, even though I don’t actually do anything Jewish.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 29, 2015 at 9:06 am

      • Lion,

        “That anti-Semites hate me for it, even though I don’t actually do anything Jewish.”

        So you are caught between a rock and a hard place. You’ve done none of things that the anti-Semites accuse Jews of doing and you can’t convince the anti-Semites that you’re innocent.

        map

        November 30, 2015 at 7:05 pm

    • Map, written with passion and a touch of madness. If you wanna whipe out 85% of the Jews, it makes sense to whipr out 100% already, no? I mean why leave any and have a problem in the next generation or two?

      A Jewish identity is both national and religious and I possess both. I’m Orthodox in observance with yarmulkah, beard, keeping kosher the whole of Talmud and Shulchan Aruch. At the same time I’m nationalist in recognizing that regardless of the level of observance we are a nation with all attributes of one – with our own territory, language, history and, obviously, religion. I don’t think any nation in the world has a stronger national identity then us and it’s a good thing. We are the most real nation in any sense of the word. We are the greatest!

      I would like America to be what it has been and not turn into Mexico or Congo. There are some people, regardless of their ethnic origin, that are enemies of humanity like George Soros, Ron Unz and Israel Shamir. I don’t mind beheading them, but your idea of whipping out half of America is too much, map. It’s actually quite mad.

      Jews belong in Israel, so one way or the other we will all end up there anyway. I will work with bees, fish, sheep, cows and things of this nature there. And install ACs when I can. Also, I’ve picked up plumbing and electrical and can be useful in that capacity. This is good life for me. Golan Heights is a good place to live and do these things. An ideal of a Jewish nationalist is to do manual labor or a trade, I’m not going back to the office, ever.

      Yakov

      November 29, 2015 at 11:41 am

      • Yakov, I know you’re writing from an Orthodox religious and Zionist viewpoint, but secular Jews of all political persuasions might not agree with you that all Jews belong in Israel. The modern state of Israel hasn’t been around for as long as the Crusader states, and we all know what happened to them. Israel could easily cease to exist within 50 to 100 years. If for no other reason than that (and I hope that American Jews would acknowledge other reasons), American Orthodox Jews and secular American Jews should work to defend and strengthen this country.

        nebbish

        November 29, 2015 at 2:12 pm

      • Sure everyone should work to strengthen this country, but Jews belong in Israel. Only in Israel can they worship properly in the Temple. G-d said so, there is no alternative.

        Yakov

        November 29, 2015 at 2:28 pm

      • Israelis are afraid to tear down that Mosque and rebuild the Temple.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 29, 2015 at 3:54 pm

      • What exactly is this “strong Semitism” that you guys so closely identify with that makes any real or apparent anti-Semitism so visceral to you?

        I define antisemitism as the false belief elite Jews have different motivations from elite gentiles. I find this definition explains much of the screwball nature of antisemitic comments. No one can accept that liberal Jews are liberal because they think liberalism is good, so antisemites, such as yourself, have to seek out covert agendas and double-meaning in everything say and do.

        Yet, this warmed-over Marxist preaching Holocaustianity is regarded as Jewish as a kosher matzo ball.

        It’s true secular Jews are attracted to gentile ideologies such as feminism, but that does not make liberal ideas Jewish. I can link just about every liberal ideology that Jews supposedly invented back to a precursor or equivalent to an idea from a gentile. In the case of feminism, there’s a stronger case for considering it Nordic than Jewish since the Nords have taken it further than anyone else (it must be the Bonnier’s!)

        Meanwhile, fake Jews ensconced all over the leftist movement are busy undermining the very political and military power upon which Israel depends. Maybe these fake Jews know something that you don’t, that Israel is simply a safe haven for the oligarchic Jews to go to after they are done busting out and detonating the United States and Europe. I know what George Soros’ exit strategy is.

        I don’t know what the rest of your point is. Israel can’t be an escape haven if it can’t exist without US backing.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 29, 2015 at 6:28 pm

      • Yakov,

        What makes you think I want to wipe out 85% of the Jews?

        I am being Socratic here so bear with me.

        And congrats on the prideful nationalism. I like seeing that in people.

        map

        November 30, 2015 at 7:09 pm

      • Undiscovered Jew,

        “I define antisemitism as the false belief elite Jews have different motivations from elite gentiles. I find this definition explains much of the screwball nature of antisemitic comments. No one can accept that liberal Jews are liberal because they think liberalism is good, so antisemites, such as yourself, have to seek out covert agendas and double-meaning in everything say and do.”

        Ah…I see what your saying. You see anti-Semitism as a purely defamatory act, of attributing to Jews an original sin or fount of evil that really exists more generally all over the place.

        map

        November 30, 2015 at 7:15 pm

  42. http://blog.ourcrowd.com/index.php/why-are-these-billionaires-doubling-down-on-israeli-investments/

    Interesting, why investment in Israel is considered doubling down? People had lost money there? Map, destructure, any ideas?

    Yakov

    November 29, 2015 at 4:39 pm

  43. I imagine, as a non jew, when a secular jew reads about the nuremberg laws, he counts his jewish grandparents to see if (had he been living then) it would have been roundup time for him. That can bind you to the group.

    jef

    November 30, 2015 at 2:20 am

  44. It’s hard for Jews to be against immigration. We are always moving, shifting, going somewhere because of persecution, changing economic or political reality, or whatever. This is just a fact. Stopping immigration or even restricting it isn’t in our interests for this reason. Also, our national allegiance would automatically be brought up for discussion, as it is anyhow. We maintain our separate identity, we are very active and dominate many areas of life in the countries that we inhabit. Many would find us undesirable. This is pretty simple. It’s a dilemma. When the western civilization and the future of America are at stake it’s easy to be anti-immigration, but if, say 2 million Jews need a place, it’s a different story.

    Let’s say I want to come to the US will this board vote to let me in? I don’t think so. How about Lion? Why can’t he paint landscapes and blog from Israel?

    Yakov

    November 30, 2015 at 7:00 am

    • Because I don’t speak Hebrew and I hate kosher food? (It was a really dumb idea for Israel to adopt Hebrew as the national language, it keeps out secular Jews who don’t speak that language.)

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 30, 2015 at 8:21 am

      • Stop whining. Learning any foreign language is an adventure that can only enrich you. Jews speak all the languages in the world, but our lingua ge is Hebrew. We are a NATION, you need to internalize this. A person who is ignorant of his language is a cripple. You wanna be a crippled Jew or a healthy Jew?

        In the 20s young Zionists in Israel used to beat up people speaking a foreign language on the street. That was because of people like you that refused to be normal and wanted to remain crippled.

        What kosher food are you talking about? On Thanksgiving we had duck, short ribs, rack of baby lamb, Port wine from Portugal so what’s missing? A shark’s fin or a rabbit’s leg? You got to have that rabbit now? Is this what it is? You can’t have it because we have our own religion that disallowed this. Anyway, food isn’t that important for a thinking person, so you shouldn’t worry about it.

        Typed all this while driving to Manhattan on a service call

        Yakov

        November 30, 2015 at 9:55 am

      • “young Zionists in Israel used to beat up people speaking a foreign language on the street”

        Yet another good reason not to move to Israel.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        November 30, 2015 at 9:57 am

      • That was in the 20s, Lion. Don’t lose perspective. Think of what the Sons of Liberty were doing. Revolutionary times called for revolutionary actions. Hebrew has been established as a living national language, America gained it’s independence. Without the at revolutionary spirit where would we all be today?

        Yakov

        November 30, 2015 at 10:27 am

    • Israel isn’t such a great proposition for secular Jews. Besides the ever present existential threat from the Arabs, the Orthodox rabbinical establishment has too much power. Many secular Jews are not just non-practicing but agnostic/atheist. Why would they want to allow the rabbinate to control marriage regulations, family law and burial regulations?

      nebbish

      December 1, 2015 at 12:47 am

      • Because, like in the past, it ensures purity and cohesion of the nation.

        Yakov

        December 1, 2015 at 9:40 am


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