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Is Trump right?

From a September 14, 2001 NY Post op-ed:

Here in New York, it was easy to get angry listening to Egyptians, Palestinians and the Arabs of nearby Paterson, N.J., celebrate as they received word of the murderous attacks in New York and Washington. But Mayor Giuliani (who has been tireless and magnificent in this crisis) rightly warned New Yorkers that it would be wrong to take their anger out on the city’s Arab and Muslim residents. Attacks on Arab-Americans in Paterson or elsewhere are utterly indefensible.

The implication is that the celebrations in New Jersey were something that the people in the MSM at the time knew about, but that they wouldn’t report on except accidentally to mention it in an editorial telling us not to be angry at Muslims.

A recent article from journalist Carmine Sabia:

It did happen, and I saw it.

Donald Trump is telling the truth about Muslims celebrating in New Jersey on September 11, 2001.

I drove with family members though Paterson, N.J. that morning, after the planes hit. It’s not the kind of thing you forget.

We witnessed people in traditional Muslim garb dancing, jumping, shouting and celebrating like their team had won the Super Bowl, just as Trump said.

More evidence that there was a conspiracy among the MSM to censor this story because the MSM believes that its number one job is to prevent Americans from becoming racist (leaving aside the fact that Islam is a religion and not a race): a more important job for the MSM than actually reporting the truth.

And of course, there’s the Washington Post article by the guy that Trump made fun of:

In Jersey City, within hours of two jetliners’ plowing into the World Trade Center, law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river.

The implication here is that multiple people called the police, and why would they have called the police if it didn’t happen? Perhaps these “law enforcement authorities” were told from up high (the Bush Administration) to drop that aspect of the investigation, because not only is it not illegal to celebrate, the Bush administration was trying to promote Islam as a religion of peace and was part of the campaign to prevent Americans from becoming “racist” against Muslims (once again ignoring the fact that Islam is a religion and not a race).

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Someone recently posted on YouTube some local news footage from 2001 also confirming that Muslims in New Jersey celebrated the attacks. Unfortunately, back in 2001, people didn’t have cell phones with cameras built into them.

Incidentally, the guido in the video, Curtis Sliwa, is an interesting character who was well known among proles in the New York City area.

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BUT DID TRUMP REALLY SEE IT?

I believe that Trump believes that he saw a video of Muslims celebrating in New Jersey. One possibility is that there was a video of Muslims celebrating in other countries, and that Trump confused that video with reports of Muslims celebrating in New Jersey.

But the other possibility is that a local news station did play such a video before they realized that it was wrong to show viewers anything that would incite people to hate American Muslims. By the day after 9/11, the MSM had already coalesced around the philosophy that one of their main objectives in post-9/11 reporting was to teach Americans that they weren’t supposed to hate American Muslims. So if any video existed, it would have been ignored and buried; there was no YouTube back then to preserve forever inconvenient videos.

This is the modus-operandi of the mainstream media. They will, under no circumstances, report any story that they think would incite viewers to hate minority groups. If a story tends to put a minority group in a bad light, but is such a big story that it has to be reported on anyway, it will be couched in such a way as to not make viewers hate that minority group.

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December 1, 2015 at 11:40 am

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  1. About a year ago I was listening to “The Media Project” on public radio and one of the panelists (I think it was Alan Chartock, but can’t swear to it) said that if the perpetrator of a crime was black he would remove any mention of it in a news report so as not to give his readers any “wrong” ideas.

    Richard

    December 1, 2015 at 11:57 am

    • Which is funny because if they did it for everybody, I might not be be able to realize the perp is a minority with such accuracy but every single time a white person does it, they broadcast it to the moon. So if 100% of the time when a white person does it, it’s broadcast, and it isn’t broadcasts, I can deduce the perp isn’t white.

      everybodyhatesscott

      December 1, 2015 at 4:06 pm

  2. MSN are right. After reading your post I wanna go and waste two illegal Tajiks. Trump is right – it’s the government’s job to deport them not mine. If something isn’t done soon, someone is gonna snap.

    Yakov

    December 1, 2015 at 12:51 pm

    • I don’t see that happening in the US anytime soon, with the exception of lone wolf mass murderers, especially with Muslims being something like 1% of the population. However–and maybe I’m just reading too much Vox Day– but I think European countries with large Muslim immigrant populations are sitting on a powder keg. I think Vox is right. If the far right doesn’t take power and start repatriating Muslim immigrants in the short term, sooner or later the extreme far right will rise. You know, the kind of people who think mass graves are cheaper and more efficient than deportations.

      Robert

      December 1, 2015 at 5:57 pm

    • After reading your post I wanna go and waste two illegal Tajiks.

      Months ago I told you to employ a white prole instead of Musselmen yahoos from Central Asia.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      December 1, 2015 at 6:37 pm

      • My boss does the hiring. When I go on my own, you won’t need to tell me anything.

        Yakov

        December 1, 2015 at 6:51 pm

      • When I go on my own, you won’t need to tell me anything.

        An exceptionally foolish assumption.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 1, 2015 at 10:07 pm

      • And why is that?

        Yakov

        December 1, 2015 at 11:54 pm

    • WOW, I haven’t finished it yet, but that article is freakin epic

      shiva1008

      December 1, 2015 at 8:01 pm

    • Don’t suggest you want to do this in Bellingham. A super PC administrator at a local college is having people arrested for lesser speech saying, among other things, that they want to protest a mascot name change. See http://www.bellinghamherald.com/news/local/article47263180.html

      Curle

      December 2, 2015 at 6:06 am

  3. Say what you will about the issue. But Trump waving his hands as if he has a physical disability (like that of the reporter) and then saying he was ‘misread’, probably ranks among the most unpresidential moments in decades.

    rightwingnut

    December 1, 2015 at 1:22 pm

    • The guy he attacked was a loser. The way Trump mocked him was great, the crowd loved it.

      Otis the Sweaty

      December 1, 2015 at 5:04 pm

    • I don’t think that was a whole lot worse than Obama’s Special Olympics joke where he suggested that he bowls like he’s…well…disabled.

      Robert

      December 1, 2015 at 5:42 pm

    • The guy he attacked was a loser. The way Trump mocked him was great, the crowd loved it.

      And it’s nothing compared to Hillary allowing (helping?) ISIS take over Syria and Iraq, almost allow the Muslim Brotherhood to takeover Egypt, and overthrow Gadhaffi so ISIS and Al Qaeda can fight over the carcass of Libya.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      December 1, 2015 at 6:39 pm

  4. Italian journalist Elisabetta Burba reported in the Wall Street Journal in the article “How Lebanon Reacted to the News” (Sept 19, 2001) that Muslims in Lebanon were ecstatic over the successful 9/11 attacks:

    “[T]he cafe’s sophisticated clientele was celebrating, laughing, cheering and making jokes, as waiters served hamburgers and Diet Pepsi. Nobody looked shocked, or moved. They were excited, very excited.”

    “An hour later, at a little market […] a thrilled shop assistant showed us, using his hands, how the plane had crashed into the twin towers. He, too, was laughing.”

    The BBC reported that very few Muslims were celebrating the attacks. “[W]e asked some moderate Arabs if that was the case. ‘Nonsense,’ said one, speaking for many. ‘Ninety percent of the Arab world believes that Americans got what they deserved.'”

    A Palestinian living in Beirut came over to me: “‘My people have been crushed under the heel of American imperialism, which took away our land, massacred our beloved and denied our right to life. But have you seen what happened in New York City? God Almighty has drawn his sword against our enemies. God is great — Allahu Akbar,’ he said.”

    The article did not lack for black humor. Burba reported that Yasser Arafat feigned great concern for the victims of 9/11. He was so moved, he pretended to donate blood in front of the cameras.

    Mark Caplan

    December 1, 2015 at 1:23 pm

  5. In our part of the country Arabs have been buying convenience stores like mad. A lot of cash goes through these stores, so who knows what is happening? Anyway, a friend of mine walked into one of these stores and saw the owner and two of his employees looking at the TV and laughing on 9-11 or 9-12 at footage of the disaster. He blessed them out and left.

    ColRebSez

    December 1, 2015 at 1:27 pm

  6. Your right that the media felt it’s number one job post 9/11 was to prevent “backlash.” That was the whole point behind Bush’s “religion of peace” nonsense, visiting a mosque, and other kow towing before our attackers. And the media still regards that as it’s job today. I’ve watched quite a lot of talking head shows the past week about this issue, and the media WILL NOT acknowledge that there were ANY Muslims celebrating in the US after 9/11. Their wedge is that Trump said thousands, and I don’t think there were thousands of Muslims celebrating in the US, at least publicly. There is no telling what was going on in people’s private homes and Mosques.

    Watching Meet the Press last Sunday was very instructive. Chuck Todd wouldn’t give up any ground to Trump on celebrating Muslims, even though he always included saying “thousands.” My contempt for the MSM grows and grows.

    Mike Street Station

    December 1, 2015 at 1:41 pm

  7. One thing I’ve wondered about which is similar to this is all those (rapidly retracted)reports of rape and murder during hurricane Katrina, especially in the “superdome.” According to the official narrative, they were all based on “rumors,” no one was murdered in the superdome, and no reports of rape were verified. But I found that numerous reports were based actual eyewitness testimony, with names, ages, and other identifying information provided. Many appear to be ghetto residents, but some are not. For instance, a national guardsman supposedly claimed the following:

    “”We found a young girl raped and killed in the bathroom,” one National Guard soldier told Reuters. “Then the crowd got the man and they beat him to death.”

    https://web.archive.org/web/20050924174106/http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411319/608687

    And a “DR Charles Burnell,” who reported several cases of rape and murder in the superdome:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/19/business/media/more-horrible-than-truth-news-reports.html?_r=0

    Here’s another one:

    “At one point, up to 30 British students huddled among the thousands in the squalor were forced to set up a makeshift security cordon to fend off abusive locals.
    Jamie Trout, 22, an economics student from Sunderland, told the Daily Mirror he kept a record of his terrifying ordeal in the Superdome.
    He wrote: “It was like something out of Lord of the Flies – one minute everything is calm and civil, the next it descends into chaos.”
    In one diary entry, he said: “A man has been arrested for raping a seven-year-old in the toilet, this place is hell. I feel sick. The smell is horrendous, there are toilets overflowing and people everywhere.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-361088/Britons-tell-Superdome-horror.html#ixzz3t65XOkQO

    And the CoCC claims that:

    “Sgt. Tony Small, a major crimes cold-case investigator for the New Orleans Police Department, says that rapes and murders did occur. Tells Times-Picayune that one of the rape victims is only two years old. “That’s not rumors,” Small said. “It was horrendous.””

    http://conservative-headlines.com/2012/02/the-katrina-memory-hole/

    jasonbayz

    December 1, 2015 at 2:13 pm

  8. What do you think about this take on it at Unz’s site?

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-dancing-israelis/

    Giuliani said that there were people celebrating but not thousands in the streets like Trump said:

    https://www.yahoo.com/politics/giuliani-on-trump-911-claim-154218210.html

    Tom

    December 1, 2015 at 2:13 pm

    • Anti-Semitic innuendo, it’s disgusting. And I’m ashamed for Steve Sailer that he associates with that crappy website.

      As far as alleged Israeli spying on the U.S., our government spies on all of our allies, it’s hypocritical to be shocked that the spying happens in both directions.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 1, 2015 at 2:27 pm

      • If Israeli spying was benign, that’s one thing. However Israeli spies on the US and then gives that intelligence Russia and China to further its own self-interest. If Pakistan does that no one is shocked.

        If Canada, France, Germany or the UK did that, people would be shocked. American public is led to believe Israeli-American “alliance”* is on par with other allies if not greater. That is why they find Israeli espionage shocking.

        *Israel is actually not an ally of the US. They have never made a commitment to ally with us. They are a nation that US has given security assurances and aid. Most Americans are unaware of this.

        Jimi

        December 1, 2015 at 3:02 pm

      • Anti-Semitism is being more outraged at Israel than other countries that do the same thing. Duh! Of course if Israel happens to have any intelligence, they are going to use it to advance their own interests.

        But in fact, French spying is pretty darn outrageous: “Gates went on to explain that for years now the “French Intelligence Services have been breaking into the hotel rooms of American businessmen and surreptitiously downloading their laptops, if they felt those laptops had technological information, or competitive information that would be useful to French” companies.” http://thediplomat.com/2014/05/robert-gates-most-countries-conduct-economic-espionage/

        Furthermore, UK, France and Germany have indeed been passing significant military technology to China: http://www.voanews.com/content/chinese-military-secret-to-success-european-engineering/1814104.html

        Once again, anti-Semitism is railing on about The Jews and ignoring the same or worse behavior by everyone else.

        And note that the U.S. doesn’t want Israel as an official ally because our government is sucking up to Muslims. That’s why Israel is not an official ally. It’s not because Israel doesn’t want to be an ally.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 1, 2015 at 3:27 pm

      • What use is Israel as an ally?

        Anytime we might want to base forces there to pound on some Arab country, we don’t because that would enrage all the other Arab countries.

        Anytime we might want to turn Israel loose to pound on some Arab country, we don’t because that would enrage all the other Arab countries.

        What’s the scenario where Israel does something useful for us?

        Tarl

        December 1, 2015 at 4:43 pm

      • We should ally with countries because they DESERVE to be our ally, and not be a bunch of wusses afraid of what Muslims think about it.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 1, 2015 at 6:26 pm

      • First of all, Unz is a great site. It is supposed to be a voice for people who are silenced by the MSM and it is.

        Second of all, Sailer is the worst of the lot when it comes to Jew baiting. Guys like Philip Giraldi have an excuse: they’re nuts. Sailer is just a d-bag. Fuck him.

        Otis the Sweaty

        December 1, 2015 at 5:14 pm

      • And I’m ashamed for Steve Sailer that he associates with that crappy website.

        That’s not fair to Sailer. A writer at a newspaper isn’t responsible for the kooky ideas of every other writer at the paper, and a college prof isn’t responsible for the goofy stuff other profs on campus say, and I think Sailer deserves the same consideration.

        Gozo

        December 1, 2015 at 5:29 pm

      • What’s the scenario where Israel does something useful for us?

        Besides the intelligence and military alliance, they invest tens of billions more into the American economy than we give them in military aid (which is actually a corporate subsidy for American arms manufacturers), they also invent useful medical technology which we’ve used to heal our own soldiers. We can kiss those economic and medical benefits goodbye if Israel is replaced with a greater Palestine.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        December 1, 2015 at 6:33 pm

      • I read Sailer religiously. His comments on Jews, both individually and as a group, like his comments on most everything else, are accurate and insightful. Why shouldn’t he loathe the likes of nation wreckers like Chuck Schumer, Mark Zuckerberg, George Soros, and the rest? They are despicable people bent on ruining the country.

        Mark Caplan

        December 1, 2015 at 9:09 pm

      • We should ally with countries because they DESERVE to be our ally, and not be a bunch of wusses afraid of what Muslims think about it.

        We should be allies with countries because they can do something useful for us, i.e., they can provide bases, access, and/or military forces to use against a common enemy. Often enough we have been allied with countries that don’t really deserve it (because they are evil, corrupt, or militarily incompetent) but can provide those useful things. Israel, on the other hand, deserves to be our ally from a number of perspectives, but can’t provide those useful things – or at least, we clearly don’t think the political cost of using Israel in that way outweighs the military benefit.

        Besides the intelligence and military alliance, they invest tens of billions more into the American economy than we give them in military aid (which is actually a corporate subsidy for American arms manufacturers), they also invent useful medical technology which we’ve used to heal our own soldiers. We can kiss those economic and medical benefits goodbye if Israel is replaced with a greater Palestine.

        And the “military alliance”… does what for us, again, in military terms?

        Note that we can, and do, sell arms to countries with which we are not allied, so that alone is not a sufficient justification for an alliance with Israel.

        Israel can defend itself without an alliance with America, right? And Israel wants to defend itself, because they will suffer much more than we do if they become greater Palestine, right? Therefore the economic benefits do not justify a military alliance, because we get those economic benefits without an alliance when Israel does what it has to do anyway, i.e., defend itself and continue to exist.

        Tarl

        December 2, 2015 at 10:30 am

      • Israel isn’t denying the U.S. a base in Israel. Israel would love to have U.S. military troops stationed permanently in Israel, because it would make an attack on Israel an attack on the United States.

        We should help Israel because Israel is the good guys and the U.S. helps the good guys. We lost 58,000 Americans in a failed attempt to help the good guys in South Vietnam, and in retrospect there was no great loss to the United States after South Vietnam was taken over by the North. Anti-Semitism is being mad at Israel while giving South Vietnam a free pass.

        Can Israel go it 100% alone? Israel is a tiny country, both in land area and its population is only 8 million, compared to 82 million in Egypt, 77 million in Iran, 29 million in Saudi Arabia, etc. Like many militaries, Israel’s is designed to win the LAST war they fought, the 1973 Yom Kippur War. Israel has no capability to do anything about Iran. Israel’s military is designed to be defensive in nature. They have a huge air force of fighter planes designed to ensure air superiority within Israel and bordering areas, they have no capacity designed to invade other countries.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 2, 2015 at 11:16 am

      • Israel isn’t denying the U.S. a base in Israel. Israel would love to have U.S. military troops stationed permanently in Israel, because it would make an attack on Israel an attack on the United States.

        Your are focusing on the value of an alliance to Israel. No argument there. But what is the military value of an alliance with Israel to us? Personally I’m not seeing any compelling case for it.

        We should help Israel because Israel is the good guys and the U.S. helps the good guys. We lost 58,000 Americans in a failed attempt to help the good guys in South Vietnam, and in retrospect there was no great loss to the United States after South Vietnam was taken over by the North.

        We helped South Vietnam for strategic reasons, not because we liked them and thought they were good. (You will note that plenty of people at the time complained that the entire problem with the war there was that we were helping the bad guys, not the good guys.) That those reasons seem weak and unconvincing now doesn’t alter the fact that at the time, we thought, “gee the South Vietnamese are rotten, corrupt and incompetent but we have to help them anyway because we can’t let South East Asia – a strategically critical region – fall to the commies.”

        If Israel fell, there would not be any great strategic loss to the United States. It would be absolutely nothing compared to the loss of Iran in 1979, which we tolerated. The only loss would be political – if an ally that we supported for decades got crushed, it wouldn’t look good at all. But it wouldn’t be the first time such a thing had happened by any means.

        Anti-Semitism is being mad at Israel while giving South Vietnam a free pass.

        Uh whut now? Who is mad at Israel? Who is giving South Vietnam a pass?

        You should be happy that unlike South Vietnam, Israel does NOT need 500,000 US ground troops to defend itself against aggression, not sad and aggrieved that we have not sent any troops to Israel.

        Can Israel go it 100% alone? Israel is a tiny country, both in land area and its population is only 8 million, compared to 82 million in Egypt, 77 million in Iran, 29 million in Saudi Arabia, etc.

        One word: Dimona.

        They have a huge air force of fighter planes designed to ensure air superiority within Israel and bordering areas, they have no capacity designed to invade other countries.

        Just as well, since both the United States and Israel have abundant experience to show that invading and occupying Arab countries is a bad idea. Blasting the shit out of them from the air, as required, is the way to go.

        Tarl

        December 2, 2015 at 1:42 pm

      • People who hate Jews should especially support the state of Israel. If Israel collapses, there would be millions of Jewish refugees who would wind up in the West and vastly increase the Jewish population, which should be exactly what Jew haters don’t want.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 2, 2015 at 1:48 pm

    • So saying the same thing about Jews that you’ve just said about Muslims is “anti-Semitic”?

      Carpenizer

      December 1, 2015 at 4:31 pm

      • Pretty much. Just because something is true doesn’t mean it isn’t racist, sexist, anti-semitic or islamophobic.

        However, the prob with Sailer is that the guy is utterly obsessed with Jews and does Goebells level Jew baiting. I’ve got no quarrel with moderate anti Jewish people like Buchanan, Brimelow, Roissy or even MacDonald, but guys like Steve take it too far for my tastes.

        Other than that, Steve’s a great writer though, so I don’t expect non-Jews to have a problem with him. But as a Jewish person: fuck Steve Sailer.

        Otis the Sweaty

        December 2, 2015 at 12:43 am

  9. TRUMP IS RIGHT!!!

    fakeemail

    December 1, 2015 at 2:22 pm

  10. “Perhaps these “law enforcement authorities” were told from up high (the Bush Administration) to drop that aspect of the investigation, because not only is it not illegal to celebrate, the Bush administration was trying to promote Islam as a religion of peace and was part of the campaign to prevent Americans from becoming “racist” against Muslims (once again ignoring the fact that Islam is a religion and not a race).”

    The reason they would have been investigated is because at first we didn’t know yet what the F had happened or who was behind it. Did they know something? Once we had a basic idea of what happened, those fools were free to go.

    I imagine that for Trump, who is an owner of tall buildings in Manhattan, 9/11 was extra traumatic.

    Dan

    December 1, 2015 at 2:33 pm

  11. Every time there is an Islamic attack, within hours newspapers post articles about the “backlash” and Muslims complaining about discrimination. This means that as soon as they hear about the attack they immediately start writing about the backlash (how else can they have the article ready with quotes in 4-5 hours).

    Jimi

    December 1, 2015 at 2:54 pm

  12. Here’s what Pat Buchanan says in his latest column:

    Monday, MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” hosted a spirited discussion with Donald Trump on whether he was right in asserting that Muslims in New Jersey celebrated as the towers came down on 9/11.

    About Muslim celebrations in Berlin, however, there appears to be no doubt. In my chapter “Eurabia,” in “State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America,” [2006] is this quote from The New York Times Magazine`, exactly 10 years ago.

    “Parallel to the declarations of ‘unconditional solidarity’ with Americans by the German majority, rallies of another sort were taking place in Neukolln and Kreuzberg. Bottle rockets were set off from building courtyards, a poor man’s fireworks, sporadic, sparse and joyful; two rockets here, three rockets there. Still, altogether, hundreds of rockets were shooting skyward in celebration of the attack, as most Berliners were searching for words to express their horror.”

    Neukolln and Kreuzberg are neighborhoods of “gastarbeiters,” Muslim Turkish workers who came to Germany in the millions to work in menial jobs beginning around 1960.

    Wade Nichols

    December 1, 2015 at 3:26 pm

  13. Who cares whether Trump saw Muslims celebrating over the the destruction of the World Trade Center? If he’s elected President and delivers on his promise to build a wall and stop the invasion of Third-Worlders, he’ll deserve a place on Mount Rushmore as the savior of his country.

    Jonathan Silber

    December 1, 2015 at 5:13 pm

  14. Blacks celebrated when O.J. Simpson was acquitted of two murders.

    E. Rekshun

    December 1, 2015 at 5:18 pm

  15. Nearly all black people celebrated when O.J. Simpson was acquitted of two murders.

    E. Rekshun

    December 1, 2015 at 5:29 pm


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